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Kansas Swatting Perpetrator 'SWauTistic' Interviewed on Twitter (krebsonsecurity.com)
"That kids house that I swatted is on the news," tweeted "SWauTistic" -- before he realized he'd gotten somebody killed. Security researcher Brian Krebs reveals what happened next.
When it became apparent that a man had been killed as a result of the swatting, Swautistic tweeted that he didn't get anyone killed because he didn't pull the trigger. Swautistic soon changed his Twitter handle to @GoredTutor36, but KrebsOnSecurity managed to obtain several weeks' worth of tweets from Swautistic before his account was renamed. Those tweets indicate that Swautistic is a serial swatter -- meaning he has claimed responsibility for a number of other recent false reports to the police. Among the recent hoaxes he's taken credit for include a false report of a bomb threat at the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) that disrupted a high-profile public meeting on the net neutrality debate. Swautistic also has claimed responsibility for a hoax bomb threat that forced the evacuation of the Dallas Convention Center, and another bomb threat at a high school in Panama City, Fla, among others.
After tweeting about the incident extensively Friday afternoon, KrebsOnSecurity was contacted by someone in control of the @GoredTutor36 Twitter account. GoredTutor36 said he's been the victim of swatting attempts himself, and that this was the reason he decided to start swatting others. He said the thrill of it "comes from having to hide from police via net connections." Asked about the FCC incident, @GoredTutor36 acknowledged it was his bomb threat. "Yep. Raped em," he wrote. "Bomb threats are more fun and cooler than swats in my opinion and I should have just stuck to that," he wrote. "But I began making $ doing some swat requests."
Krebs' article also links to a police briefing with playback from the 911 call. "There is no question that police officers and first responders across the country need a great deal more training to bring the number of police shootings way down..." Krebs argues. "Also, all police officers and dispatchers need to be trained on what swatting is, how to spot the signs of a hoax, and how to minimize the risk of anyone getting harmed when responding to reports about hostage situations or bomb threats."
But he also argues that filing a false police report should be reclassified as a felony in all states.
After tweeting about the incident extensively Friday afternoon, KrebsOnSecurity was contacted by someone in control of the @GoredTutor36 Twitter account. GoredTutor36 said he's been the victim of swatting attempts himself, and that this was the reason he decided to start swatting others. He said the thrill of it "comes from having to hide from police via net connections." Asked about the FCC incident, @GoredTutor36 acknowledged it was his bomb threat. "Yep. Raped em," he wrote. "Bomb threats are more fun and cooler than swats in my opinion and I should have just stuck to that," he wrote. "But I began making $ doing some swat requests."
Krebs' article also links to a police briefing with playback from the 911 call. "There is no question that police officers and first responders across the country need a great deal more training to bring the number of police shootings way down..." Krebs argues. "Also, all police officers and dispatchers need to be trained on what swatting is, how to spot the signs of a hoax, and how to minimize the risk of anyone getting harmed when responding to reports about hostage situations or bomb threats."
But he also argues that filing a false police report should be reclassified as a felony in all states.
Well, score another one for police — why was not the fake caller prosecuted after his very first crime?
Ah, well, that changes everything. If a crime is committed for a noble cause, the criminal becomes a hero...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
"I didn't kill anyone because I didn't pull the trigger"
Wow. No, you just fooled a bunch of heavily armed people into thinking they were going to be confronting an armed and dangerous person who had already killed one person. No way could you have POSSIBLY predicted that situation could potentially lead to a death.
This idiot should be locked away for a very, very long time to think about what he did.
On a separate note - the cops need to be royally reamed. They know swatting is a thing, they know getting the address wrong is a thing... yet they roll up and without any confirmation of what's going on they shoot the guy who answers the door. FFS, no hostage-taking murderer with a gun is going to open up the front door to the police without a hostage in front of them anyway.
10:1 the shooter had bad trigger discipline. Odds are even better that what blame the cops can't avoid will be so thinly distributed that pretty much no punishment results despite the fact they killed one of the people they're charged with protecting.
The killing today in Colorado of a sheriff's deputy responding to a domestic violence call highlights the challenge faced by law enforcement officers.
I see from his twitter feed that this jackoff has also taken credit for calling in bomb threats to FCC hearings where people were giving testimony in favor of Net Neutrality.
He's your basic alt-right gamergate shit-poster, but this time he got someone killed. I wonder what his Slashdot handle is.
You are welcome on my lawn.
He admitted to making money from swatting people, that makes him a paid assassin and as a result, he is a murderer who needs to be served justice.
"Hangin's too good for 'im. Burnin's too good for 'im. He should be chopped into tinesy-winesy pieces and buried alive." Pesky "cruel and unusual" clause.
Make an example of him.
The cop who shot and the swatter should share a general populaiton cell for 20+ years for complicity in the murder.
Swatter obviously created a dangerous situation, but this danger was exacerbated by the typical behavior of American cops.
Cops were supposed to be professionals. Instead, they were trigger-happy to save their sorry hides and murdered an innocent man. The cop who shot has blood on his hands and should never be forgiven or seen as anything but a murderer.
The emergency dispatcher who didn't ask the right questions to determine if it was a prank is also somewhat negligent. The call was to the city hall, not 9-1-1, and described a different home than where the murder took place.
He begs to be made an example of, and it should be done pour encourager les autres.
We cannot have that in civil society.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
I've read of how some of the responding officers are so adrenaline filled and under trained for the high alert event that they suddenly get involved with that they get..., "over-zealous". That officer never should have had his finger on the trigger, but instead on the trigger guard. Fatal results ensue, unfortunately. Prosecute the swatter, re-train all the officers.
I don't like advertising this guys channel but as its relevant here is an interview a youtuber called Keemstar did with SWauTistic hours before he was arrested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
The fact that this guy can openly admit to this so carelessly and not be afraid of repercussions already shows a complete breakdown of American due process and the justice system.
THIS guy must be killed!!
Death penalty immediately !
Or else he will keep killing people!
Pretty soon he's be saying 'I'm not gay, I'm just a cum dumpster for inmates bigger than me!'
Looking at the guy he looks like a little meth headed bitch anyways, so he's probably worked his way around a cock on his way to felony manslaughter.
Examples are going to be made of everyone. The kid who did the Swatting. The kid who paid for the swatters services. And the unfortunate cop who pulled the trigger. 4 lives minimum, ruined.
I don't think the laws are very well suited to deal with this in the harshness needed. This sort of aligns with a bartender knowingly serving someone who kills someone in a dui. No, he wasn't driving, but he certainly set things in motion.
Typically in these cases the family ends up taking them to civil court as well. I don't see the book being thrown at this guy, although the fact he seems to have done this across state lines may give the feds quite a bit more ammo.
2 Tell them the address of someone you don't like
3 Let them call in the police
Now the police do the murdering, the swatter gets jailed for calling the police, you walk free.
I'd say 100 years for starters for calling in a false threat.
The problem is you can't have police go into these things too soft either. Just today there was an incident in Colorado with a domestic disturbance where several officers (and some bystanders) got shot. So really we need to make sure that (A) if someone calls in a fake threat they WILL be caught, and (B) we punish the hell out of swatters. I'm talking "Lets bring back gladiatorial combat" level punishment since no punishment is too harsh for these slime.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Come out from the basement and start living a actual life. Or maybe they just need to rot in jail.
The felony murder rule is:
When a person commits a felony, and as a result someone dies, it's murder.
A classic example would be a robbery. John and Rob plan to rob a convenience store. Rob shots the clerk. John claims "I didn't mean for anyone to get shot - I was just doing an armed robbery". John is guilty of felony murder because a) he was committing a felony and b) it resulted in death. There is a presumption that you know felonies are dangerous, and that you shouldn't commit felonies. So although John didn't WANT someone to die, he was criminally reckless by committing armed robbery, which he knew *could* result in death.
Another, perhaps more interesting example:
John and Rob plan an armed robbery of a convenience store. When they pull out their guns, an armed civilian behind them shots Rob, who later dies. John is once again guilty of felony murder. He didn't plan for Rob to die, but he did know that committing armed robbery could get someone killed.
because most of these articles fail to mention the fact that a police officer literally executed a person on sight without any real, tangible information or investigation into the situation. Police officers can now just blame someone else, or the circumstances, and walk free, and people don't react.
America is dumbening down at a frightening rate.
You don't SWAT someone because you are great friends with them.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
We ask our friends and neighbors to help watch over town. As a society, we let the people arm themselves as a militia to fight the man "to not take away our freedom's", because "guns are the reason we have freedom", and all the other silly things that are said. We then ask the police to show up with kid gloves on, like somehow they have multiple lives.
If we aren't planning on violently overthrowing the government, then we should store our people killing guns at a safe community place where we all have the combination. In most countries, these places are called things like, The National Guard, or the Army. We could rename it so as to cater to those that don't like ideas that work globally to "American Armed Citizen Gun Storage for Freedom."
If we really do think that we need a violent revolution, then lets get it over with. Those that are in need, let your needs be known now, because this middle ground is killing a whole lot of innocents.
I've never seen anyone need a 15 round clip while hunting an Elk, Deer, Bear's or anything else in North America. I've never seen anyone use a hand-gun when hunting, but maybe pythons?
Our laws are so harsh in this country as it is, that everyone is an example when they get sentenced. Throwing someone in jail for 10 years or 20 years has zero rehabilitation difference if you're only considering them being a "better person" when they get out. I'd argue anything over 5 and you may as well throw away the key. Don't complain when you throw someone in jail, don't help them and then have to support them for the rest of their lives.
This kid and his friends need direct intervention. Anyone on that twitter account should receive a direct phone call from someone that sounds like authority and discuss with them why we don't do this to our fellow neighbors and friends online. That in itself would send a HUGE message...that we actually care about each other, that we treat each other appropriately and out of kindness, and that this is a large community of hundreds of millions, and that we are watching each others backs.
The kid himself needs to face some sort of sentence. He's young though, the news cycle is fast. Any "example" set by him will be quickly forgotten by the masses, only used by the court system to justify harsher sentences for everybody, people won't say "I won't do this cuz that guy got caught."
There is nothing more jolting to people that think they are getting away with things, than at least letting them know "we are paying attention to your vile behavior." Very few internet trolls would publicly do what they currently do. Outing people is a great way in terms of effectiveness and cost.
There are so many things that need to be fixed and addressed, and until they are, they're all hanging chad's in our society. Until we figure them out, these things are going to happen, people will say "more jail time", "more laws", but nothing changes when you don't change the way we deal with life.
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Karma is a bitch
What about the cop that murdered a guy for only answering his door?
SWauTistic lied, to law enforcement. Causing some bad actor to go Rambo on someone undeserving. Iâ(TM)m thinking âoeMurder in the First Degree, with Special Circumstancesâ fits the event pretty close.
By other reports, swatter was in LA, CA and made interstate phone call to Kansas. Very likely committed several US Federal felonies (wire fraud, phone phreaking, making terroristic threat) that will trigger Federal Felony Murder. Kansas statute is far more limited. Rare for the Feds to go for the death penalty, but it is probably available.
You just asked them to die by the thousands because you hate cops and you apparently think they have no right to self defense ever. Yes, this guy was trigger happy and it's a sad day for everyone. We should try to calmly figure out why without moralizing or doing other things that will help normalize deviancy. Cops are humans. Some are rotten, others are hurt by the job. It's hard to get the best and brightest when you hate all cops because one guy was trigger happy, too, so thanks for helping to make things worse in your rage.
We do need safer ways to respond to this for all parties. But you're not offering solutions, you're just making demands. And demanding more than you have any realistic plan for achieving is a sure way to give rise to cheating, as it's the only way to meet the demands. In other words, you would be (are?) exactly the kind of asshole boss that everyone hates for dropping in, crapping all over everyone, making unrealistic demands, and flying away.
If you want to make a point, let's talk about use of force guidelines, procedures and studies and their relative effectiveness, body armor and other protection, etc. that might make this safer. Because no, I'm not going to punish the police for getting better at not getting killed. Someone who wants police to die, like you, is just a hateful bigot.
Yep. Raped em
Really, now?
Publicly took credit for bomb threats, swatted repeatedly, has now killed a man. And he gets paid to do some of these.
It sounds like it would probably take 10 minutes to track this guy down, and like he would of been on the FBI's radar long ago.
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
While I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion the kid is right when he says he didn't kill anyone. The police did in fact do the killing and the problem isn't with this terrible thing called swatting, but with poorly trained officers and/or officers who aren't equipped to deal with intense situations. On top of this the police are being trained to shoot first to protect themselves rather than the more rational honorable thing they're suppose to do if TV and the media are to be believed. That is they are putting there lives on the line to protect the people. If that were true they wouldn't be shooting first and asking questions later. They would be evaluating the source and situation on site to determine if in fact the information is genuine. And then responding in an appropriate fashion.
The solution is not to ban swatting. Swatting is already illegal and people don't think they'll be caught. The reality is also that there is a high chance they won't be caught. The rational solution is better training- not harsher laws and not "making an example". Because at the end of the day these kids are not thinking rationally nor are the law makers. And in the meanwhile we're seeing more and more people getting killed by police in large part because of the militarization of the police force. You have turned what was suppose to be a police force to protect the people into a military operation to extract funds from the people for the benefit of a few. Civil Asset forfeiture anyone?
It's manslaughter at best because the cop has mistake defenses. He had no desire to kill that guy, he was deceived by the SWATing creep who said he had a gun, he thought he was threatened and he was wrong about that. The man made a sudden move because they put a spotlight in his eyes. The cop would gladly have never been there that night and now feels sick because he screwed over an innocent person.
Now we have all the bigoted criminal types popping out to tell us that all cops are evil because this guy screwed up royally. As if they've never screwed up before and the reason the world isn't aware of that isn't because they've never done anything even remotely important for it to get attention.
There do need to be ways to make this safer, but those are a matter of doing proper analysis of the chain of causes, by people who are looking for improvements instead of moralizing things. You people who are here for the 5 minute hate can get lost, you'll only make things worse.
Fuck him
Robots. Send a quadcopter. How much does it cost?
In our society we have much higher sense of human life value, that included policemen as well. Send a drone first, much closer look at the potential perp.
People portray the situation as black and white. "Pig cop killed innocent man". Watch the video. At that distance it could be that he is protecting his eyes from a high beam, but it also could be that he is preparing to shoot.
That's what this solution for - this type of uncertainty. Any further development from this situation would have decreased the uncertainty.
I suspect the solution to many our so-called political problems ("cop violence", "civilian violence") lies in the technical sphere, not in escalation of violence by incessant "occupies".
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
More third-world trash polluting our country
"Your liberal concepts of 'just surrender your guns and all will be peace and harmony' has been tried and always ends in mass murder of the civilian population." [citation needed]
Methinks you need to go back to school and read some history. There's NO, absolute ZERO basis for your assertion. History, on the other hand, will show the opposite where measures where taken to control your favourite toys. In short, you're hysteric. Take your meds.
It takes a special little snowflake to think it is 100% the cops fault or 100% the Swatters fault. Stay edgy kids, the lives you ruin won't only be your own.
Right on.
Modern police, ill disciplined, poorly trained, apparently recruited from any riff-raff without a record (I presume) who are stupid/desperate enough to volunteer - and equipped with military grade fire-power.
What could possibly go wrong?
The indictments are already being prepared. His Twitter account alone mentions both Antifa and 'Swatting'. He was aware of the danger of killing someone. We WILL be taking him into custody.
Lost in this whole thing is the fact that the actual MURDERER was a police officer who opened up on an unarmed man. Fuck, they're even mowing down white people now. Scary times we live in when any one of us can my killed by those who are supposed to be there to protect us for no other reason than we answer our own door.
Yea- we got a cop in Keene, NH who was arrested and convicted of drunk driving and lost his license for a year (I think it was more complicated than this... maybe he did it more than once or something... ) who has not lost his job as a police officer and goes around arresting people for open container and other offenses that are victimless. These open container laws are not where there is a drunk driver. It is where someone has a container that isn't sealed in a public place or vehicle. No evidence of being intoxicated need exist. In fact the people who are convicted under these laws are primarily people who can't afford the high prices of alcoholic beverages at fancy restaurants. This is mostly poor people and college students. It gets even more ridicules when you learn that most of the arrests in this town are of people who are essentially in the exact same place as others who are drinking alcoholic beverages but legally so only because they are at a fancy restaurant on main street with outdoor seating in front of the restaurant. The customer can't actually get the alcoholic beverage and bring it out to the table. Rather a waiter must bring it to them. The waiter is exempt from the open container law between the restaurant and the outdoor seating which is on the public sidewalk. As long as you are a customer and sitting at the table on the sidewalk you are exempt from the open container law.
Participants in the Free State Project have been protesting this law for years even though few of us actually drink. It's the wrongness of it that pisses us off. The restriction on ones freedom where one has created no victims is wrong.
An australian woman living in the USA was shot dead by a Police Officer she had notified about a noise disturbance nearby. She was shot dead by him.
In Australia, you don't expect the cops to shoot you, hence her unfortunate misplacement of trust.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
to be fair, this swatter called this in to a police department I would consider to be most likely to kill someone in a swatting scenario and not learn a damn thing from it let alone hold anyone accountable within its own department. so if you got someone you want killed in Wichita, Kansas you now know how to get it done efficiently.
To an extent this Swautistic idiot is right, he didn't pull the trigger. He set up events so that was a highly likely result but he didn't *actually* pull the trigger.
Some cop though is, again, a murderer who is going to get away with it. He won't do time for ending an innocent man's life, he probably won't even get his pay docked.
The free pass for cops has to end. If you kill a citizen on duty then you should be slapped with a murder charge like any other citizen. Shit, if you discharge your weapon during a shift it should be an automatic *attempted* murder charge, those bullets go somewhere. Take it to court and show that you had no other choice but to open fire and kill. This claim that they were so terrified that they automatically killed some one is ridiculous, it just can't stand. It's supposed to be a large part of their training, dealing with that fear and danger. Frankly, if their instructor doesn't think they have what it takes then they shouldn't be allowed to become cops, find some other way to serve.
Police shooting unarmed people is way too common. I think it's time that the free pass they get comes to an end, and that officers who pull the trigger end up going to prison.
I think that's the only way to make police officers STOP for 5 seconds, and not instinctively pick up their gun and kill someone. SWAT teams wearing bulletproof vests and wielding military-level firepower against unarmed people shouldn't immediately assume they're in a bad situation. If you're wearing a bulletproof vest, you won't die. The SWAT team is practically invincible compared to their target in most cases. Instead of a single shot, which in this case really seems like a mistake by a jumpy cop, SWAT teams could turn that guy into a stain on the front porch with all the firepower they have access to, So why are they afraid??
I don't know what goes on in police academy training, but I imagine it's something along the lines of everyone being a potential threat. There's nothing wrong with keeping an eye out for danger, but assuming everyone is going to kill you is going to make you more likely to shoot first. Do they even teach police to try to diffuse the situation, or is the immediate response to start firing?
The Kansas legislature listed which felonies are "inherently dangerous" for the purpose of this statute and I don't see it listed.
K.S.A. 21-3436
https://law.justia.com/codes/k...
However, the law says "these felonies are inherently dangerous", it does NOT say "no other felonies are inherently dangerous". One could argue that the list isn't exhaustive, and swating could also fall under the felony-murder rule.
by firing squad, live, simucast worldwide, with an hour of his pleading for his life. gunshots from 12 riflemen to his lower torso and legs only. after he dies, then dump his body in a shallow pit, cover with quicklime, and haul the remaining waste to an unnamed location. automatic death sentence for falsely calling out police to a situation where your description means the police are expecting to encounter deadly force. no appeals, sentence must be carried out within 1 year of conviction. while in prison, 24 hours solitary, with 1 hour a week out of the cell. no psychiatric medications, bread and water and vitamin tablets, no medical care, no painkillers, no letters in, no letters out, no books, no music, no clothing, 1 blanket, no pillow. are you reading this, asshole? thats how much i hate you.
The only innocent party is the guy who got shot and we should look at things from his perspective. The reality is some confused guy, who was probably hanging out with his family in some down time before new year, opened the front door and was confronted with a swat team with spotlights in his eyes and weapons pointed at him. He got killed at the front door of his house thinking put my hands up? ok. WTF is going on, oops my pants are falling down. It could have been anyone here.
Is anyone considering the guy who got shot in all this vitriol? What about his family who witnessed their son/brother shot at the front door? Do you think they care that some arrogant moron, with a tiny bit of social engineering was able to convince a police department to go out to someones house and shoot at them. Would you care *why* the police turned up to shoot you or that they shot you?
The thing we have to take away from all this is: Two wrongs don't make a right instead of wrestling with who is more culpable, the police who shot the man or the swatter who sent them there, consider that an an innocent person, completely uninvolved with the situation got killed. What is that but a complete failure of the system?
That's why swatting someone is like throwing a hand grenade, it might go off, the shrapnel may kill someone because police have guns pointed at you. Even if they don't it would be terrifying. He put the innocent guy in that situation, he is personally responsible for the cause and effect because he didn't say what could possibly go wrong. No doubt it is a crime, just not one defined by law. He should be punished however I'm not qualified to say how.
The police officer is also responsible in this chain of culpability. His Sargent is responsible for not keeping his officer calm and is captain is responsible for not ensuring the community they have a duty to protect and serve, was protected and served. It doesn't matter if you have a badge, it's still a crime to shot someone and at the very least it should be the end of the officer's career because he is not emotionally stable enough to handle a weapon and point it at people whilst his sargent and captain should at least be demoted. All these systems should exist.
Everyone lost, no one is more right or wrong, they're all culpable. If you want to know what it looks like when the system fails, there you have it. Everyone acted like assholes and assumed the guy they were pointing the weapon at was to.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
But he also argues that filing a false police report should be reclassified as a felony in all states.
If justice existed, it WOULD already BE a felony in all states, and if it results in serious bodily harm or death, (as it did in this case,) screw felony, make it a capital crime. In fact, they should do that retroactively in this case. Fuck any and all other considerations. This little prick needs to be made into an example of why no one should ever even think of trying to pull this shit ever again.
SWAT snipers are now trained to murder at the first possible opportunity- the very moment they can calim the likely 'perp' gave them 'cause'. Anything a target does can be spun by a pig as 'cause'- and the state prosecutors will ensure no action agaisnt the pig so long as it follows this trick.
So the murder victim did something with his hands- and this means NO prosecution of the pigs- full stop.
In prior times SWAT was trained to go thru a procedure that would take some time (and hence certainty) before a non-immediate danger target was shot dead. Now, as I said, the procedure is to shoot dead the very moment an excuse can be presented to the prosecutors- ie., ANY movement of the target's hands.
The pigs didn't care whether the call was valid or not. Most pigs with a licence to murder have already murdered children, women and men in one of America's many recent wars of aggression. The pig only cares about the fallout afterwards. And there is no fallout so long as the ritual is followed.
Recently a british soldier got into a little trouble cos he dared to say the truth, and stated he joined the british army to be allowed to legally murder 'black' and 'brown' people. The sniper pigs become sniper pigs because they LOVE to murder other Humans,and get away with it. Serial killers with the same psychology as Charles Manson.
We know such filth lives amongst us. Always has and always will. The question is why American society delights in employing such people as policemen.
I gotta say I'm a bit disappointed that no one has brought up the technological angle to this yet; that swatting is even possible is a huge problem.
It's past time that the flexibility being exploited in the telco lines be addressed. Given the technology involved and the number of companies that we're talking about, it's well within our abilities to prevent the masking of calls being sent to emergency #s. Even if we don't prevent that, we can give them a reliability score which might be all that's needed to eliminate swatting as a 'thing'.
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
does "swatting" exists only in the USA? and how can this be even possible?...dispatch a trigger happy swat team to some1s house based off a phone call in 2017? really though... maybe if 90% ot Americans did not own 5+ guns ....
He's not necessarily wrong, it's just that in most of the civilised world we haven't reached the end yet.
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Do they have the victim on bodycam video "reaching for his waistband" thus justifying the shooting, or is that just a lie the cops are going to tell every time they kill somebody now to make it sound justified? My understanding is that the cop had a body camera, but didn't turn it on before shooting someone... if you're not going to use it for hostage situations, when are you going to use it?
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
“Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the ark of the covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment...But I know also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times.”
Thomas Jefferson
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
But he also argues that filing a false police report should be reclassified as a felony in all states.
In reality Swatting is NOT filing a "false" police report.... it is so much more.... Swatting is filing a MALICIOUSLY-FALSE Police report with an intent to cause harm or disrupt or harass another person.
As such, the swatter should get additional charges against them based on their malicious actions --- in the case of calling in a false hostage situation, the Swatter should be charged with attempted murder, at least, And murder-related crimes if any deaths should result.
The claim was "has been tried and always ends in mass murder of the civilian population"
Where? I guarantee you that the only place anything like that has happened is in the feverish minds of gun-nuts who thinks having to let go of their guns is the same as being castrated.
The assertion simply isn't true. There are a lot of countries, especially in Europe but elsewhere as well, which has de-liberalised their gun laws at some point or other. NONE, not a single one has seen their civvies get mass murdered as a result. Rather, the number of murders and other violent crime have decreased.
Besides, if your population is getting "mass murdered", that would imply some kind of organized perpetrators which would imply they would be armed too, presumably you'd be both outnumbered and outgunned to boot. Your six-shooter isn't going to save you anyway. In fact, statistically there's a greater probability that you'll shoot yourself or someone you have a grudge with or misidentifies as a possible perp because you're armed and scared shitless than actually use your gun to successfully defend yourself from a real perp.
The guy will get caught for sure.
He got paid for making swat calls.
I am pretty sure that this money can be tracked.
Once the police have a client, they will find him.
http://www.stolk.org/tlctc
You couldn't ecpect simeone to die over that. The police mishandled the situation, obviously.
It amazes me that people want to defend the SWATter by essentially calling this a Prank Call while heaping hate on the police.
A prank call is "Mike Hunt". Calling 911 with the intent to provoke an armed police response to what they believe is a hostage situation with a fatality is not a prank call. If nothing happened it's still reckless endangerment because he intended to put the person at risk (although "intent" is not required, just disregard for the outcome), even if he did not desire the person's death. Since "deadly weapons" were involved, it's a felony in a lot (if not most) places.
The deliberate actions of a person 25 years old in mind - but with the reasoning of a 3 year old (sorry to all three year olds who can act in a more mature manner than the Swatter) - have no place in Society. The actions of the Shooter are questionable, but he acted on information passed to him - the flip of the coin was hero or villain for his impulsive actions, the coin landed on the side of the villain. The death was entirely avoidable and frankly people like the Swatter are beyond help both for this incident and his previous history. Throw away the key.
Grab this insane little slime bucket AND HANG HIM!
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Yes, swatting should be a felony (I'm surprised that it's not!)
However, in the case of SWauTistic, the charge should be negligent homicide.
Someone upthread mentioned Thailand where this was (is?) a serious problem. Traffic injury liability is capped if the victim dies, but not if they survive. There is a nonzero chance that a driver who strikes a pedestrian will intentionally back up over them to make sure they stay dead.