I was not arguing with you at all. I very much agree. But most of the environments that people live in and for most interactions police need not be armed.
TL;DR
You have more fucking material than the goddam media.
Forget all that shit and look at the action mere seconds prior to the shot.
It's obvious the guy is not complying and he looks to be in a shooting stance.
It's easy for you to be ignorant.
It's easy for the experienced to understand that.75 seconds is life or death.
The "tl;dr" and then presuming to reply shows the same level of impatience as the cop did. I wouldn't trust either of you with a weapon. You would be a walking threat.
The cops have a hard job to stay alive and protect and serve.
Nope. It my not be as safe as an accountant, but it is nowhere near as risky as being a truck driver or a fisherman or fireman . Look it up
The job is hard because if requires a constant choice of how much risk to take.
Firefighters, paramedics, truck drivers, lots of people do that every day.
It is too early to Monday morning quarterback this, but the investigation needs to address if they had the right balance of risk.
The cops appear to have been across the street behind cars.
It's not clear if they had vests on.
Which makes it clear they got it very wrong
Even if the guy had had a gun, it might have been an acceptable risk to let him get off the first shot.
This I agree with. Also, any time a cop fires first there should automatically be charges and a trial. If he needed to fire he will be acquitted.
You are living in a fantasy. The only Americans that I would look down on (if I would look down on anyone) are those that express the attitudes and memes that you just presented. Ever considered how much "peace and security" others provide to you?
Having lived in two countries (as a citizen) where police were not routinely armed (and did not need to be) I can only agree with you. There are other ways of making police safer.
I have made lots of rash decisions in my life. Some involving serious injury and property damage although not perhaps a life. i've had to pay the consequences of that every time and my life would be very different if I had not made them.
Why should I expect different from a cop? His rash decision cost someone a life, taken by his hand. There are 400(?) swattinsg a year. Never before has someone been executed like that. It was the cops rash decision. He should pay for that decision just as I have paid for mine. And no, I am not a con or ex-con, just a fairly normal person.
If you want a system to work (any system) then authority and responsibly for that authority must be equal and co-ordinate. ie. If you give someone the authority to do something (put a gun in their hand) then they must accept the responsibility for misusing it. The possible, or even certainty, that someone is armed means nothing when that person is out of range of the weapon they are (theoretically or actually) holding is no reason (or inadequate reason) to kill that person. He could even have been a plain clothed officer who got there first. The decision to shoot was criminally stupid and the cop should pay the price of it as I would have to if I made the decision.
Fucking irrelevant. The cop (with longarm) shot from 150/200 feet away. He was not under threat from any pistol. So your carefully constructed fantasy fails. The cop murdered the guy for stepping outside.
It is his right to be holding a firearm and reasonable if heard noises outside. So, no even if he was holding a firearm they had no right to shoot him (behaving legally).
Then they should have know not to get involved as their involvement produced a felony murder and the entire SWAT team could (and should?) be facing felony murder charges whether they pulled the trigger or not.
Customers wanted physical keyboards, to be able to add Apps from anywhere, free ring tones and the ability to record your own, standard chargers, and being able to plug in audio devices with a universal jack
I am a happy Apple customer. iPhone 6, iPad Pro, pencil, earbuds and watch series 3. And I want none of those things. What I do want is a phone with decent water resistance, secured with regular and immediate updates (when there is a problem) and some control of apps that minimises exploitative ones. Apple gives me this. No one else does.
Nowadays, you have to 'trust' someone. Trusting Apple is better than trusting a whole lot of randoms.
1. You didn't answer the question. Why is your splinter group (splinter of mormonism or splinter of religion) a special case? Why do you get to decide and no one else? Because you are the "one true religion"? (Semantic equivalent of 'god's own wanker')
2.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has a trademark on the term Mormon
I am not sure how to explain this to you but you are up your exceptionalism if you think that makes a difference. You (may) have trademarked a word, a combination of letters but that is all. It is not as you think. Bill Gates tried to trademark the word 'windows' (and failed because of common usage). Copyrighting a word does not make it a religion it cannot do so because of separation of church and state. The state can allow you exclusive use of that term for trade - that is all. Nota Bene: It is a trademark. If you are going to use this as an indication of strength of your argument then you have to accept (or propose) that the LdS is a trading organisation and not a religion.
3.
Groups that split off the Roman Catholic Church (a specific sect) do not call themselves Roman Catholics nor are the recognized as such
You know this is false don't you? Some do and some don't. Fuck it, there is more than one Catholic Pope. If you do not know it then fucking go learn. It is not my responsibility to educate you.
4. You are even more retrograde than Muslims asre in both Quran and hadiths it states that no muslim may say another is not one. Followers of Allah may not set rules for other muslims as to whether they can be called muslim or not. That is one reason ISIS is in such shit with many other muslims.
You clearly believe in you religion but is at the cost of rationality and reality.
Not the concept that I was going for. It takes time to solve social issues, time for people to learn to live together. If you got better ideas then fine, let us hear them. But there is no point in trying to turn a molehill problem into a mountainous problem. It is like picking at an injury. Give it a chance to heal. Picking at it will only delay healing.
How many people from that region have you met socially or professionally? My answer would only be "a few" (there are not that many) but I have never had issues with any of them.
Despite your headlines (and I dispute none of them) the actual incidence of crime, your chance of being robbed or murdered in your bed has steadily declined. I won't cite because those figures have been publicised enough and are really available.
We have problems with some of the immigrant (and local) youth that need addressing. When have we not? Australia has always had waves fo migration from different sources. We have watched "little italy" turn to "little greece" and then "little vietnam" and "little indonesia". We have been introduced to delightful cuisines as a result. But each and every wave brings it violence and concerns. They adapt after a few decades, no biggie. In Melbourne it has been ever so.
So I would ask you not to give my city, my society and country such a falsely earned reputation.
Melbourne is still regarded, year after year, as one the best cities in the world in which to live. If you do not like it, then please tell me where you would like to live?
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They cannot use FLIR without a warrant.
Smoke and flash bangs when they have been told the place is soaked in gasoline?
Zero for comprehension.
Funny how in some Scandinavian countries the penalties are even less and yet there is almost no crime. Your statement appears counterfactual.
I was not arguing with you at all. I very much agree. But most of the environments that people live in and for most interactions police need not be armed.
TL;DR You have more fucking material than the goddam media. Forget all that shit and look at the action mere seconds prior to the shot. It's obvious the guy is not complying and he looks to be in a shooting stance. It's easy for you to be ignorant. It's easy for the experienced to understand that .75 seconds is life or death.
The "tl;dr" and then presuming to reply shows the same level of impatience as the cop did. I wouldn't trust either of you with a weapon. You would be a walking threat.
I have never understand how plea bargaining is not interfering with the course of justice.
The cops have a hard job to stay alive and protect and serve.
Nope. It my not be as safe as an accountant, but it is nowhere near as risky as being a truck driver or a fisherman or fireman . Look it up
The job is hard because if requires a constant choice of how much risk to take.
Firefighters, paramedics, truck drivers, lots of people do that every day.
It is too early to Monday morning quarterback this, but the investigation needs to address if they had the right balance of risk. The cops appear to have been across the street behind cars. It's not clear if they had vests on.
Which makes it clear they got it very wrong
Even if the guy had had a gun, it might have been an acceptable risk to let him get off the first shot.
This I agree with. Also, any time a cop fires first there should automatically be charges and a trial. If he needed to fire he will be acquitted.
Oh, that would be so ironic.
Don't worry about Melania. She will make sure she gets out if it still personally wealthy.
You are living in a fantasy. The only Americans that I would look down on (if I would look down on anyone) are those that express the attitudes and memes that you just presented. Ever considered how much "peace and security" others provide to you?
It is felony murder. With admissions made he will be inside a long time, in a place where felony murder earns you no status but the reverse.
Having lived in two countries (as a citizen) where police were not routinely armed (and did not need to be) I can only agree with you. There are other ways of making police safer.
The only Americans whose native language is English were brought up in the United Kingdom.
And under cover cops?
I have made lots of rash decisions in my life. Some involving serious injury and property damage although not perhaps a life. i've had to pay the consequences of that every time and my life would be very different if I had not made them.
Why should I expect different from a cop? His rash decision cost someone a life, taken by his hand. There are 400(?) swattinsg a year. Never before has someone been executed like that. It was the cops rash decision. He should pay for that decision just as I have paid for mine. And no, I am not a con or ex-con, just a fairly normal person.
If you want a system to work (any system) then authority and responsibly for that authority must be equal and co-ordinate. ie. If you give someone the authority to do something (put a gun in their hand) then they must accept the responsibility for misusing it. The possible, or even certainty, that someone is armed means nothing when that person is out of range of the weapon they are (theoretically or actually) holding is no reason (or inadequate reason) to kill that person. He could even have been a plain clothed officer who got there first. The decision to shoot was criminally stupid and the cop should pay the price of it as I would have to if I made the decision.
Fucking irrelevant. The cop (with longarm) shot from 150/200 feet away. He was not under threat from any pistol. So your carefully constructed fantasy fails. The cop murdered the guy for stepping outside.
It is his right to be holding a firearm and reasonable if heard noises outside. So, no even if he was holding a firearm they had no right to shoot him (behaving legally).
Then they should have know not to get involved as their involvement produced a felony murder and the entire SWAT team could (and should?) be facing felony murder charges whether they pulled the trigger or not.
He made that head shot with a longarm. So a headshot at 200 feet is no surprise. At 200 feet a pistol is not a threat. He was a sniper. It was murder.
Customers wanted physical keyboards, to be able to add Apps from anywhere, free ring tones and the ability to record your own, standard chargers, and being able to plug in audio devices with a universal jack
I am a happy Apple customer. iPhone 6, iPad Pro, pencil, earbuds and watch series 3. And I want none of those things. What I do want is a phone with decent water resistance, secured with regular and immediate updates (when there is a problem) and some control of apps that minimises exploitative ones. Apple gives me this. No one else does.
Nowadays, you have to 'trust' someone. Trusting Apple is better than trusting a whole lot of randoms.
Better make it a Motorola. Samsung batteries (sealed) are fucking up again. Refusing to charge when they are depleted (new batteries).
Then stop doing it.
1. You didn't answer the question. Why is your splinter group (splinter of mormonism or splinter of religion) a special case? Why do you get to decide and no one else? Because you are the "one true religion"? (Semantic equivalent of 'god's own wanker')
2.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has a trademark on the term Mormon
I am not sure how to explain this to you but you are up your exceptionalism if you think that makes a difference. You (may) have trademarked a word, a combination of letters but that is all. It is not as you think. Bill Gates tried to trademark the word 'windows' (and failed because of common usage). Copyrighting a word does not make it a religion it cannot do so because of separation of church and state. The state can allow you exclusive use of that term for trade - that is all. Nota Bene: It is a trademark. If you are going to use this as an indication of strength of your argument then you have to accept (or propose) that the LdS is a trading organisation and not a religion.
3.
Groups that split off the Roman Catholic Church (a specific sect) do not call themselves Roman Catholics nor are the recognized as such
You know this is false don't you? Some do and some don't. Fuck it, there is more than one Catholic Pope. If you do not know it then fucking go learn. It is not my responsibility to educate you.
4. You are even more retrograde than Muslims asre in both Quran and hadiths it states that no muslim may say another is not one. Followers of Allah may not set rules for other muslims as to whether they can be called muslim or not. That is one reason ISIS is in such shit with many other muslims.
You clearly believe in you religion but is at the cost of rationality and reality.
You just confirmed you are ignorant. Bye, bye
Not the concept that I was going for. It takes time to solve social issues, time for people to learn to live together. If you got better ideas then fine, let us hear them. But there is no point in trying to turn a molehill problem into a mountainous problem. It is like picking at an injury. Give it a chance to heal. Picking at it will only delay healing.
How many people from that region have you met socially or professionally? My answer would only be "a few" (there are not that many) but I have never had issues with any of them.
Despite your headlines (and I dispute none of them) the actual incidence of crime, your chance of being robbed or murdered in your bed has steadily declined. I won't cite because those figures have been publicised enough and are really available.
We have problems with some of the immigrant (and local) youth that need addressing. When have we not? Australia has always had waves fo migration from different sources. We have watched "little italy" turn to "little greece" and then "little vietnam" and "little indonesia". We have been introduced to delightful cuisines as a result. But each and every wave brings it violence and concerns. They adapt after a few decades, no biggie. In Melbourne it has been ever so.
So I would ask you not to give my city, my society and country such a falsely earned reputation.
Melbourne is still regarded, year after year, as one the best cities in the world in which to live. If you do not like it, then please tell me where you would like to live?