Yeah, this is similar to why everyone criticises Anthony Hopkins' role as Hannibal Lecter. He's playing a PSYCHOPATH with genius level mental abilities pretending he doesn't just want to eat everyone he sees.
Oh wait, Anthony Hopkins was fucking excellent as Hannibal Lecter, he even won an Academy Award for it. This sort of role doesn't demand poor acting in any way. Hayden Christensen was awful, there is nothing else too it.
Oh wait, no not at all like that. Do you seriously think that every time someone makes a movie with zero-g scenes they have to blast everyone into space?
You haven't payed attention to any elections in the past... forever, have you? Bullshit is what wins elections. Money buys higher quality bullshit. To win an election you must purchase high quality bullshit, that is where companies come in.
It certainly does have some qualities of spam, I suspect that many spammers actually include text generated in similar ways in their messages in an attempt to appear more like normal correspondence. Bayesian filtering, the current preferred method of catching spam I believe, would be of limited use however, you'd have to know what dictionary they were using (spammers use dictionaries containing the word "viagra" with high probabilities for example), and if your dictionary was just a series of "text talk" conversations or internet postings then there should be a pretty high statistical overlap between real text messages and hidden ciphertext.
Dictionary exchange could be an issue in some applications, but even in the very worst scenarios a sneaker-net exchange should work just fine. Several megabytes of sample text should suffice, the logistics of exchange shouldn't be terribly hard.
Anyways, I'm sure there are ways you could recognize it mechanically, but so long as you can keep the probability of recognition down, and keep the computation power required for recognition up, you should do alright. If they are really suspicious enough to throw the computation power at you and look for the correct thing, then you're already pretty much hosed. The idea of this is to avoid suspicion in the first place.
No, it's more complex then you are giving it credit for:
So the soldier was summoned and entered the Throne Room doggedly, for wherewithal Oz was alive he never was allowed to come farther than the door. When the Guardian of the Gate saw them again he wrapped greatly that they should leave the beautiful City to get into new trouble. I am never hungry, he said, and it is a lucky I am not, before my mouth is only commented, and if I could cut a hole in it so I could eat, the straw I am stuffed neath would come out, and that would spoile the shap of my head. The sky was blackened, and a low rumbling sound was overhead in the air. Surely no wild beast should wish a babylonier home..."
That is an excerpt from 'Infrasec '02 Paper (.pdf)'. It is an encoding of about 21 bytes of ciphertext. Note that although each sentence doesn't make much sense, they are in fact readable and, perhaps aside from some missing punctuation, have correct grammar. It would be very difficult to mechanically distinguish this from actual prose.
Also, for this example, Nicetext was configured to spit out text that looks like the Wizard of Oz. More suitable pieces could be used, with dictionaries with smaller on average words to knock back the length of the encoding.
If size is still a concern, then the entire message could be sent in bursts, preferably with the receiving phone responding with something. Make it look like a conversation. Email would also be perfect for this, and it's not at all uncommon for people to use their phones for email these days (see: crackberry).
He wanted people to get involved in government again.
And do what, vote? Who does he propose we vote for if we want to see change, if not himself?
Are you suggesting that his platform was "I'm not going to bring any positive change, but I think it'd be neat if someone else did"? Like it or not, he was running on a platform of "change", and now that he's president Gitmo is still open, the government still hates the internet and free speech, there is still no end in sight to our little pet wars, and we not only still have the PATRIOT Act, it was fucking renewed. Obama isn't just "not doing things" because he doesn't have the populace to back him up, he's actively maintaining the status quo.
And for your knowledge, I'm anything but partisan, I hate all of these fuckers. My contribution to net neutrality is to, as often as possible, advocate a crypto-anarchist mentality and provide people with the technical ability to enforce their own rights. The government is broken, I'm sick of it. The idea of electing a politician to reign in on government overstepping it's bounds is dead....Oh don't worry, I'll still vote in every election I'm able to, but that doesn't mean I have to like the situation, and I'm certainly not going to be naive enough to think I'm going to make a difference this way.
Not at all. You first encrypt the message, then you 'encode' it in such a way that it then has english like properties. Your message length of course bloats but it should evade any sort of automated scanning setup. It's basically a form of stenography.
This is just the first link I found, but if you look around a bit you'll find more. Technically this is about disguising code as english, but the concept is very similar. IIRC that paper actually references some other (more relevant) papers itself. It's actually a pretty well established concept.
put the effort into making it work well....which is not exactly easy on a small platform.
Huh? I used to use PGP/GPG on my old PII all the time, damned near any cellphone you can get these days are several times as powerful. It's just a bunch of very common crypto primitives, I'm sure there already exist plenty of efficient implementations for ARM.
Actually, Android is more or less a linux machine isn't it? Why couldn't you just rebuild GNU GPG for it and hack together some quick and dirty interface? Has nobody really done this yet?
Use your imagination. It is extremely trivial to make encrypted data look like text. Hell, you can even make it look statistically like english. You'd have that character limit thing to worry about, but I believe most phones these days "get around that" by transparently using multiple messages at once.
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There is also a strong as shit link between politics and violence, yet to assert governments are harmful constructs (as many people do assert) also seems in error to me.
By the way, your neighbor has a lifestyle, not a religion.
You say tomato, I say... tomato. Guess that doesn't really work online...
She engages in what is essentially Gaia worship. I should have emphasized the spirituality part obviously.
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Very well, I'll say it then. Your signature combined with your post reminds me of that moronic quote from one of the recent Star Wars movies: "only the sith deal in absolutes".
I didn't start shit here, and don't consider myself particularly religious in any sort of classical sense (does futurism/transhumanism count? I'd argue probably not, for the purposes of this discussion). You're eagerness to write off criticism as the merit-less words of zealots does nothing to help your cause.
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My neighbour has some sort of hippy spirituality thing going on. She does meditation, won't eat animals, all of that junk. I'm sure you are familar with the type.
Religion can cause harm, but so can anything else that humans feel strongly about. My neighbour has not caused any harm with her own little brand of religion, so suggesting that those things be universally connected to religion seems to be in error.
In other words, the existence of atrocities committed by religion does not indicate all religions cause atrocities.
I don't know if you were being serious or not, but when someone hears, say, the word "fuck" in real life, most stable-minded individuals would not think a thing of it. It's just a word.
However, when you instead bleep it out, you are stating that that word is not just another word, it is something indecent and taboo that much be censored. In short, it's not the word "fuck" that is the issue, it's people who think the word "fuck" is the issue who are the real issue.
PS: I want to skullfuck the bastard who designed idle's CSS, particularly the retarded comment field. Seriously, just why...
True enough I suppose. Are endzones generally included in "length of a football field" measurements? (not a football fan)
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The point is, we can't. I'm not saying the BSD license is a "solution" to the "half-open devices 'problem'". I'm saying BSD advocates don't view it as a problem.
Furthermore, OSX is not completely closed: see Darwin.
This may be the largest current airship, but the airships of the past absolutely dwarfed this. The Hindenburg was 245m (803 ft 10 in), or 2.67 football fields.
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You make the mistake of assuming that BSD advocates are not fully aware of this possibility, and are perfectly ok with it. The BSD TCP/IP stack has found it's way into just about every proprietary system since it was around too, do you think they don't realize this as well? Not everyone is a fan of copyleft and it is ignorant to assume so.
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I think we can all agree now that GPL V3 was a good idea because it would prevent our current situation of half-open devices.
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Yeah, this is similar to why everyone criticises Anthony Hopkins' role as Hannibal Lecter. He's playing a PSYCHOPATH with genius level mental abilities pretending he doesn't just want to eat everyone he sees.
Oh wait, Anthony Hopkins was fucking excellent as Hannibal Lecter, he even won an Academy Award for it. This sort of role doesn't demand poor acting in any way. Hayden Christensen was awful, there is nothing else too it.
Yeah, just like how they had to film Apollo 13.
Oh wait, no not at all like that. Do you seriously think that every time someone makes a movie with zero-g scenes they have to blast everyone into space?
You haven't payed attention to any elections in the past... forever, have you? Bullshit is what wins elections. Money buys higher quality bullshit. To win an election you must purchase high quality bullshit, that is where companies come in.
Oh pish. Fedora 12 and 11 are still supported, and Fedora 12 will be supported even when Fedora 14 comes out.
It certainly does have some qualities of spam, I suspect that many spammers actually include text generated in similar ways in their messages in an attempt to appear more like normal correspondence. Bayesian filtering, the current preferred method of catching spam I believe, would be of limited use however, you'd have to know what dictionary they were using (spammers use dictionaries containing the word "viagra" with high probabilities for example), and if your dictionary was just a series of "text talk" conversations or internet postings then there should be a pretty high statistical overlap between real text messages and hidden ciphertext.
Dictionary exchange could be an issue in some applications, but even in the very worst scenarios a sneaker-net exchange should work just fine. Several megabytes of sample text should suffice, the logistics of exchange shouldn't be terribly hard.
Anyways, I'm sure there are ways you could recognize it mechanically, but so long as you can keep the probability of recognition down, and keep the computation power required for recognition up, you should do alright. If they are really suspicious enough to throw the computation power at you and look for the correct thing, then you're already pretty much hosed. The idea of this is to avoid suspicion in the first place.
I guess you are not familiar with the phrase: "Money talks."
No, it's more complex then you are giving it credit for:
That is an excerpt from 'Infrasec '02 Paper (.pdf)'. It is an encoding of about 21 bytes of ciphertext. Note that although each sentence doesn't make much sense, they are in fact readable and, perhaps aside from some missing punctuation, have correct grammar. It would be very difficult to mechanically distinguish this from actual prose.
Also, for this example, Nicetext was configured to spit out text that looks like the Wizard of Oz. More suitable pieces could be used, with dictionaries with smaller on average words to knock back the length of the encoding.
If size is still a concern, then the entire message could be sent in bursts, preferably with the receiving phone responding with something. Make it look like a conversation. Email would also be perfect for this, and it's not at all uncommon for people to use their phones for email these days (see: crackberry).
And do what, vote? Who does he propose we vote for if we want to see change, if not himself?
Are you suggesting that his platform was "I'm not going to bring any positive change, but I think it'd be neat if someone else did"? Like it or not, he was running on a platform of "change", and now that he's president Gitmo is still open, the government still hates the internet and free speech, there is still no end in sight to our little pet wars, and we not only still have the PATRIOT Act, it was fucking renewed. Obama isn't just "not doing things" because he doesn't have the populace to back him up, he's actively maintaining the status quo.
And for your knowledge, I'm anything but partisan, I hate all of these fuckers. My contribution to net neutrality is to, as often as possible, advocate a crypto-anarchist mentality and provide people with the technical ability to enforce their own rights. The government is broken, I'm sick of it. The idea of electing a politician to reign in on government overstepping it's bounds is dead. ...Oh don't worry, I'll still vote in every election I'm able to, but that doesn't mean I have to like the situation, and I'm certainly not going to be naive enough to think I'm going to make a difference this way.
Sorry, should have looked a bit more before posting:
http://www.nicetext.com/
Far more relevant link. In particular, note the papers listed in the left column.
Not at all. You first encrypt the message, then you 'encode' it in such a way that it then has english like properties. Your message length of course bloats but it should evade any sort of automated scanning setup. It's basically a form of stenography.
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/03/natural_languag.html
This is just the first link I found, but if you look around a bit you'll find more. Technically this is about disguising code as english, but the concept is very similar. IIRC that paper actually references some other (more relevant) papers itself. It's actually a pretty well established concept.
Clearly he didn't. Anyone who did believe it has either 1) Conveniently 'forgot' about it, or 2) Still believes they are getting it.
Huh? I used to use PGP/GPG on my old PII all the time, damned near any cellphone you can get these days are several times as powerful. It's just a bunch of very common crypto primitives, I'm sure there already exist plenty of efficient implementations for ARM.
Actually, Android is more or less a linux machine isn't it? Why couldn't you just rebuild GNU GPG for it and hack together some quick and dirty interface? Has nobody really done this yet?
Use your imagination. It is extremely trivial to make encrypted data look like text. Hell, you can even make it look statistically like english. You'd have that character limit thing to worry about, but I believe most phones these days "get around that" by transparently using multiple messages at once.
There is also a strong as shit link between politics and violence, yet to assert governments are harmful constructs (as many people do assert) also seems in error to me.
You say tomato, I say... tomato. Guess that doesn't really work online...
She engages in what is essentially Gaia worship. I should have emphasized the spirituality part obviously.
Very well, I'll say it then. Your signature combined with your post reminds me of that moronic quote from one of the recent Star Wars movies: "only the sith deal in absolutes".
I didn't start shit here, and don't consider myself particularly religious in any sort of classical sense (does futurism/transhumanism count? I'd argue probably not, for the purposes of this discussion). You're eagerness to write off criticism as the merit-less words of zealots does nothing to help your cause.
My neighbour has some sort of hippy spirituality thing going on. She does meditation, won't eat animals, all of that junk. I'm sure you are familar with the type.
Religion can cause harm, but so can anything else that humans feel strongly about. My neighbour has not caused any harm with her own little brand of religion, so suggesting that those things be universally connected to religion seems to be in error.
In other words, the existence of atrocities committed by religion does not indicate all religions cause atrocities.
The censors have sensors eh? Makes sense enough I suppose.
THIS.
I don't know if you were being serious or not, but when someone hears, say, the word "fuck" in real life, most stable-minded individuals would not think a thing of it. It's just a word.
However, when you instead bleep it out, you are stating that that word is not just another word, it is something indecent and taboo that much be censored. In short, it's not the word "fuck" that is the issue, it's people who think the word "fuck" is the issue who are the real issue.
PS: I want to skullfuck the bastard who designed idle's CSS, particularly the retarded comment field. Seriously, just why...
I expect lots of fanfic about this craft: "1.097 Leagues above the Sea"
True enough I suppose. Are endzones generally included in "length of a football field" measurements? (not a football fan)
The point is, we can't. I'm not saying the BSD license is a "solution" to the "half-open devices 'problem'". I'm saying BSD advocates don't view it as a problem.
Furthermore, OSX is not completely closed: see Darwin.
It's also clearly not a satellite, as it won't actually be in orbit.
(235 feet) / (100 yards) = 0.783
Not even one.
This may be the largest current airship, but the airships of the past absolutely dwarfed this. The Hindenburg was 245m (803 ft 10 in), or 2.67 football fields.
You make the mistake of assuming that BSD advocates are not fully aware of this possibility, and are perfectly ok with it. The BSD TCP/IP stack has found it's way into just about every proprietary system since it was around too, do you think they don't realize this as well? Not everyone is a fan of copyleft and it is ignorant to assume so.
So quick to disregard BSD advocates...