Why not make a worm that installs OpenBSD on other machines? It would save time. I don't think a worm would be 'smart' enough to patch all 200+ exploits in the latest RedHat distro. Oh well....Security isn't magical or mystical. All you have to do is stay current with exploit advisories and patches.
On the flip side. This worm is still using other machines unauthorized and I am sure the author could get in considerable trouble with the law. Shit...what about all those nice honeypot networks that are supposed to be all messy and bad. (redhat full istall..boom honeypot)
Nevertheless, this will probably get negative spin:
"Linux Users are so mindless about security, that vendors have to release worms against their users to protect them from hackers."
You shouldn't try to force people to be interested in security, especially against their will. It's like using the ATM in the worst part of town at 3 AM. Not a good idea. Once you get mugged, you will start worrying about security.
Seriously. Douglas Adam's really hit the head on the hammer. Compare this passage to the copyrighting building codes:)
"But Mr. Dent, the plans have been available in the local planning office for the last nine months."
"Oh yes, well as soon as I heard I went straight round to see them, yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody of anything."
"But the plans were on display..."
On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."
"That's the display department."
"With a flashlight."
"Ah, well the lights had probably gone."
"So had the stairs."
"But look, you found the notice didn't you?"
"Yes, yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard.' "
Besides the offering of DSL and other things people have suggested, you should probably offer quite a few services.
A local ISP here has been around since '93 if i remember correctly and they host and manage the websites for most of the radio stations here, as well as other local (Memphis,TN) businesses and such. Providing shell accounts would also be something that the 'big boy' ISP's don't provide.
You can't compete with the 'big boy' ISP's on their level. You have to provide things they don't offer. It's that simple.
But I doubt Linus's kernel worked the first time. And it is a little easier, safer, and cheaper for subsequent attempts with a kernel than a rocket launch.
A guy building a rocket by himself and not within the confines of a huge rocket company?
Sound crazy? Just replace "rocket" with "Operating System" and you have the story of Linux. Sure it is oversimplified, but damn, for $250,000 I'm sure he's done something right.
if you read the article, it states that they don't give you an e-mail account. they just forward the address to another e-mail account that you designate. also most of them use something like username@alumnus.school_domain.edu which can be sort of a tiny resume (if you went to a well-known school).
I wonder what Karl Marx would think about this. Das Kapital, Marx's magnum opus talks about the inner workings of the capital system. Very interesting stuff. I don't know if they had any intention for the names being similar. Obviously, Kapital is the german version of capital. Nevertheless, has anyone ever come across any recent communist literature that would correlate with the whole gnu/linux movement? Is Linus the "New Soviet Man" ? Shit, i could probably write my final paper on something like that for my Marx class. But look at the saying that goes something like give what you can, take what you need and the open source movement seems to follow that. I know this is horribly off topic, but when i saw "Kapital", i had to comment, because I am reading it at the moment:)
i wasn't calling you a moron. go sit in any linux/bsd channels in irc. or look at some newsgroups. *they* are coming out of the woodwork. it is entirely possible to use leenuchs for a year without even knowing what a xterm is. Similarly like people who never used Dos. If there is something i can't figure out, i atleast know where to look. That is half of the learning. i've seen people go "man pages?" in these channels. "what is a terminal?" sure if they can get by without needing to use them (as well as wasting our time asking innane questions that are *nix fundamentals) then fine. Sure a distro is only as secure as you make it. BUT, that is only if you regard security as something to keep up with. Most people started using leenuchs to get away from the crappy code from MS. But throw 4 gigs of an install onto your box and it is actually worse. Lastly, if they don't know...i'm not dogging on them. if they don't WANT to know...then i am. blah blah blah
no, my point was not elitist. I was just stating that windoze wants to 'help' me even when i don't want the help. The concept is like those stupid accounts people sign up for with this site or that. Some make you *uncheck* the boxes so they don't spam you all day, while others make you *check* it to get that crap. See the difference? If i want spam, then i have to take the initiative required to click a box. If i don't notice the box, i have to deal with 10x more crap to stop getting their spam. Does that analogy point out the 'helpfullness' that i am talking about? SO if you aren't a computer oriented person, it works out great. But if you want to do things that aren't in the pretty menus, you will have to hunt through this config or that or the god forsaken registry to find it. HAHAH i installed Windoze NT on my mother's computer...now that is a crock. I wanted to throw service pack 6 on it....not gonna happen, i need IE 5 for that. So i want IE 5...not gonna happen, i need service pack 3+ for that. But, to get anything actually downloaded...i had to install netscape, because IE3 or wtf ever come with NT couldn't even load microsoft.com. And...the reason i couldn't install service pack 6 easily...because they made a web interface update...SO IT WOULD BE EASIER TO INSTALL! FUCK THAT! it was a waste of 2 hours and like 30 reboots before i finally got the shit working right. Is that elitist? hell no. i just want *simple* and *basic*. Hahah another rant...FastFind in office. i think that was just made to help in coaster creation. I was burning a cd in 'doze the other day and with 2 minutes left some random windoze shit decided to reorganize my programs to make them run faster!. great. coaster. where are the settings for this? no fucking clue. only things running were systray and explorer. go fucking figure.
yea, vi is symlinked to vim. and bash is symlinked to sh. so where do you get the original sh and vi if you need them? (or want them?) if you want som ething run on openbsd, you have to figure out how to start it (which isn't tough) but when i first ran leenuchs, i didn't know shit and had *everything* running. bind, sendmail, mars, samba, ftp, telnet, blah blah blah. it is just stupid. i can have a NAT box setup with openbsd in 15 mins and not even need to turn the monitor on. that is good. What is with all this redhat hype anyways? It is incredibly insecure, bloated, and crappy. Debian is the only leenuchs i will run (smp on ss10) because it is not bloated and it is easier to secure. it makes a nice desktop OS as well. It just seems that the more stupified leenuchs distros become, the more morons come out of the woodwork. (interesting sidenote: i hear apple is having a field day with tech support...seems OS X morons keep forgetting their root password. hahaha morons)
well, i mean i don't have to worry about bind/ftp/nfs etc. bugs since they aren't even turned on by default (anyone who has installed leenuchs knows the 30 min. 'turn off all the stupid shit that is on by default' right after the install)
A lot of people *hate* windoze because they make it so *simple* that moron joe sixpack can configure it. The problem, however, is that it is so simple, that you can't do anything useful with it. Pure bloat. Me: "I want this to do that" windoze: "i'm sorry, i think you want the paperclip to change that back without asking!" Taken on that level, the 'easier makes it harder' idea goes like this Windoze --> Linux --> BSD. I used to use Redhat 2 1/2 years ago...i hated that install. I told it not to install KDE or GNOME. I guess it took that as some logical 'or' because it just installed both anyways. Then all this isapnpdump crap...Now OpenBSD is *easy* no stupid menu installs. No menu based configuration. No menu based kernal config. And no 6 cdrom *base* install. I can't stand KDE; I can't stand Gnome. Too many stupid buttons and config files. I use blackbox. It is fast and sweet. Because it seems the less complex (read: less bloated) it is, the faster and easier it is to use. I also don't play games. So leenuchs games don't affect me. Shit, all you need is x-evil. Enough of my rant. But everyone on here should know...if the OS / program holds your hand while setting it up, you will not learn shit. Now go in there with vi and you will learn. BLah blah blah....
I buy some nice brazillian or french house on vinyl for $10-$20 and then if i want it on CD, I would have to fork another $15-$30 for that medium. GUESS WHAT:) I don't. It's amazing how i can run a cable from my mixer to the line in on my sound card and from there burn a cd. That's what i think of this. Screw them:)
They have Business Ethics and Medical Ethics, but not Technical Ethics (i took a science/technology/human values class, but it isn't what you would think)
Quality does not seem to be a major issue for CS or MIS tracks of study. What happens when hospitals use devices and software that isn't quality? It is obvious that ethics, quality, and for God's sake *secure* coding should all be valued far more in university CS/MIS departments. Personally, I'm double majoring in Philosophy and Computer Science. You wouldn't think they go together, but actually the AI concentration is filled with advanced logic and philosophy of the mind classes.
shit. if that happened, i'd make t-shirts: "I helped kill slashdot." I'd put it on my resume too. If Jon Katz became a homeless bum, shit...there'd be dancing in the streets.
Slashdot Mirror
Why not make a worm that installs OpenBSD on other machines? It would save time. I don't think a worm would be 'smart' enough to patch all 200+ exploits in the latest RedHat distro. Oh well....Security isn't magical or mystical. All you have to do is stay current with exploit advisories and patches.
On the flip side. This worm is still using other machines unauthorized and I am sure the author could get in considerable trouble with the law. Shit...what about all those nice honeypot networks that are supposed to be all messy and bad. (redhat full istall..boom honeypot)
Nevertheless, this will probably get negative spin:
"Linux Users are so mindless about security, that vendors have to release worms against their users to protect them from hackers."
You shouldn't try to force people to be interested in security, especially against their will. It's like using the ATM in the worst part of town at 3 AM. Not a good idea. Once you get mugged, you will start worrying about security.
Seriously. Douglas Adam's really hit the head on the hammer. Compare this passage to the copyrighting building codes :)
"But Mr. Dent, the plans have been available in the local planning office for the last nine months."
"Oh yes, well as soon as I heard I went straight round to see them, yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody of anything."
"But the plans were on display..."
On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."
"That's the display department."
"With a flashlight."
"Ah, well the lights had probably gone."
"So had the stairs."
"But look, you found the notice didn't you?"
"Yes, yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard.' "
All of your dna are belong to us.
I bet Microsoft is giving them advice.
Microsoft: "...and that's how we stole the idea for a GUI."
Napster: "Kinda like we let people steal music?"
Microsoft: "Sure. Now you should introduce some nasty bugs in your software, then charge $50 or more for an official upgrade."
Napster: "But our software is free??!?"
Microsoft: "Then just change your servers and make them break older versions."
Napster: "damn. That's genius."
Microsoft: "yea, wait till we see how we steal your software and 'invent' file sharing in Windows XP."
Besides the offering of DSL and other things people have suggested, you should probably offer quite a few services.
A local ISP here has been around since '93 if i remember correctly and they host and manage the websites for most of the radio stations here, as well as other local (Memphis,TN) businesses and such. Providing shell accounts would also be something that the 'big boy' ISP's don't provide.
You can't compete with the 'big boy' ISP's on their level. You have to provide things they don't offer. It's that simple.
Hmm, replying to me own comment..oh well..
But I doubt Linus's kernel worked the first time. And it is a little easier, safer, and cheaper for subsequent attempts with a kernel than a rocket launch.
A guy building a rocket by himself and not within the confines of a huge rocket company?
Sound crazy? Just replace "rocket" with "Operating System" and you have the story of Linux. Sure it is oversimplified, but damn, for $250,000 I'm sure he's done something right.
if you read the article, it states that they don't give you an e-mail account. they just forward the address to another e-mail account that you designate. also most of them use something like username@alumnus.school_domain.edu which can be sort of a tiny resume (if you went to a well-known school).
Sure Tito, but what about Michael, Janet and the rest of them? Can't we send them *ALL* into space?
I wonder what Karl Marx would think about this. Das Kapital, Marx's magnum opus talks about the inner workings of the capital system. Very interesting stuff. I don't know if they had any intention for the names being similar. Obviously, Kapital is the german version of capital. Nevertheless, has anyone ever come across any recent communist literature that would correlate with the whole gnu/linux movement? Is Linus the "New Soviet Man" ? Shit, i could probably write my final paper on something like that for my Marx class. :)
But look at the saying that goes something like give what you can, take what you need and the open source movement seems to follow that. I know this is horribly off topic, but when i saw "Kapital", i had to comment, because I am reading it at the moment
i wasn't calling you a moron. go sit in any linux/bsd channels in irc. or look at some newsgroups. *they* are coming out of the woodwork. it is entirely possible to use leenuchs for a year without even knowing what a xterm is. Similarly like people who never used Dos. If there is something i can't figure out, i atleast know where to look. That is half of the learning. i've seen people go "man pages?" in these channels. "what is a terminal?" sure if they can get by without needing to use them (as well as wasting our time asking innane questions that are *nix fundamentals) then fine. Sure a distro is only as secure as you make it. BUT, that is only if you regard security as something to keep up with. Most people started using leenuchs to get away from the crappy code from MS. But throw 4 gigs of an install onto your box and it is actually worse. Lastly, if they don't know...i'm not dogging on them. if they don't WANT to know...then i am. blah blah blah
no, my point was not elitist. I was just stating that windoze wants to 'help' me even when i don't want the help. The concept is like those stupid accounts people sign up for with this site or that. Some make you *uncheck* the boxes so they don't spam you all day, while others make you *check* it to get that crap. See the difference? If i want spam, then i have to take the initiative required to click a box. If i don't notice the box, i have to deal with 10x more crap to stop getting their spam. Does that analogy point out the 'helpfullness' that i am talking about? SO if you aren't a computer oriented person, it works out great. But if you want to do things that aren't in the pretty menus, you will have to hunt through this config or that or the god forsaken registry to find it. HAHAH i installed Windoze NT on my mother's computer...now that is a crock. I wanted to throw service pack 6 on it....not gonna happen, i need IE 5 for that. So i want IE 5...not gonna happen, i need service pack 3+ for that. But, to get anything actually downloaded...i had to install netscape, because IE3 or wtf ever come with NT couldn't even load microsoft.com. And...the reason i couldn't install service pack 6 easily...because they made a web interface update...SO IT WOULD BE EASIER TO INSTALL! FUCK THAT! it was a waste of 2 hours and like 30 reboots before i finally got the shit working right. Is that elitist? hell no. i just want *simple* and *basic*. Hahah another rant...FastFind in office. i think that was just made to help in coaster creation. I was burning a cd in 'doze the other day and with 2 minutes left some random windoze shit decided to reorganize my programs to make them run faster!. great. coaster. where are the settings for this? no fucking clue. only things running were systray and explorer. go fucking figure.
yea, vi is symlinked to vim. and bash is symlinked to sh. so where do you get the original sh and vi if you need them? (or want them?) if you want som ething run on openbsd, you have to figure out how to start it (which isn't tough) but when i first ran leenuchs, i didn't know shit and had *everything* running. bind, sendmail, mars, samba, ftp, telnet, blah blah blah. it is just stupid. i can have a NAT box setup with openbsd in 15 mins and not even need to turn the monitor on. that is good. What is with all this redhat hype anyways? It is incredibly insecure, bloated, and crappy. Debian is the only leenuchs i will run (smp on ss10) because it is not bloated and it is easier to secure. it makes a nice desktop OS as well. It just seems that the more stupified leenuchs distros become, the more morons come out of the woodwork. (interesting sidenote: i hear apple is having a field day with tech support...seems OS X morons keep forgetting their root password. hahaha morons)
well, i mean i don't have to worry about bind/ftp/nfs etc. bugs since they aren't even turned on by default (anyone who has installed leenuchs knows the 30 min. 'turn off all the stupid shit that is on by default' right after the install)
A lot of people *hate* windoze because they make it so *simple* that moron joe sixpack can configure it. The problem, however, is that it is so simple, that you can't do anything useful with it. Pure bloat. Me: "I want this to do that" windoze: "i'm sorry, i think you want the paperclip to change that back without asking!" Taken on that level, the 'easier makes it harder' idea goes like this Windoze --> Linux --> BSD. I used to use Redhat 2 1/2 years ago...i hated that install. I told it not to install KDE or GNOME. I guess it took that as some logical 'or' because it just installed both anyways. Then all this isapnpdump crap...Now OpenBSD is *easy* no stupid menu installs. No menu based configuration. No menu based kernal config. And no 6 cdrom *base* install. I can't stand KDE; I can't stand Gnome. Too many stupid buttons and config files. I use blackbox. It is fast and sweet. Because it seems the less complex (read: less bloated) it is, the faster and easier it is to use. I also don't play games. So leenuchs games don't affect me. Shit, all you need is x-evil. Enough of my rant. But everyone on here should know...if the OS / program holds your hand while setting it up, you will not learn shit. Now go in there with vi and you will learn. BLah blah blah....
OpenBSD is my desktop OS of choice :) no bloat, no bugs, no worry.
R U D 1 2 C 4 A B J? --- send that to enough ladies, and you'll eventually find a taker.
I buy some nice brazillian or french house on vinyl for $10-$20 and then if i want it on CD, I would have to fork another $15-$30 for that medium. GUESS WHAT :) I don't. It's amazing how i can run a cable from my mixer to the line in on my sound card and from there burn a cd. That's what i think of this. Screw them :)
They have Business Ethics and Medical Ethics, but not Technical Ethics (i took a science/technology/human values class, but it isn't what you would think)
Quality does not seem to be a major issue for CS or MIS tracks of study. What happens when hospitals use devices and software that isn't quality? It is obvious that ethics, quality, and for God's sake *secure* coding should all be valued far more in university CS/MIS departments. Personally, I'm double majoring in Philosophy and Computer Science. You wouldn't think they go together, but actually the AI concentration is filled with advanced logic and philosophy of the mind classes.
shit. if that happened, i'd make t-shirts: "I helped kill slashdot." I'd put it on my resume too. If Jon Katz became a homeless bum, shit...there'd be dancing in the streets.
It sucked the first time
Payback is a BITCH ain't it.
if i read about any more 'new' licenses, im gonna have a buffer overflow.
how are they gonna fuck my shit if i just get a 20 gig cluster of nfs exported ram disks on gigabit ethernet? (and a whole lot of UPS action ;))
Get rid of bloat?
Then what would happen to:
Kde, Gnome, Enlightenment, Bash, Eterm, RedHat, and Suse? I guess everyone would run blackbox, aterm, ksh, and play xevil on OpenBSD all day.....
I doubt dropping bloat would help projects complete faster...it would just give us more time to look for sparc stuff on ebay and play xevil.