It's cute that you think everyone can be rehabilitated..
Please show me in my post where I say that everyone can be rehabilitated. I was talking specifically about this instance. There are people that are just too dangerous to be in the general population.
Like that swatter guy, who was trying to swat people from jail... Some people are too stupid to be anywhere else other than jail...
Two thoughts on this. One: If he was able to commit the same crime FROM PRISON then obviously prison wasn't an effective solution for him either, now was it? Two: Kind of hard to find the time to threaten people on twitter when you're only two activities are working 80 hours a week cleaning horse barns in Wichita and being confined to a house with no internet and cell phone service. Maybe this wanna be gang-banger prick would reform if his ability to be an "Internet celebrity" was taken away and he was given something productive to do, maybe he wouldn't. But obviously throwing people into a box for the majority of their life isn't as effective as we think it is.
I think prison is entirely appropriate here and for other property crimes. If someone decides to destroy/ruin/steal someone else's property, they should be put behind bars for a while so they understand there are consequences to stupid and negative actions.
How does one pay restitution when they are locked up in prison? Punishment isn't the sole purpose of the justice system. There are ways to implement a punishment, pay back the damaged parties, and eventually reincorporate the offender as a valuable member of society. Put the guy to work and direct the earnings towards the damaged party. You could having him pick up trash off the side of the road, or ideally assign him a job where he can learn a valuable skill and proceed into a successful life once his restitution is paid. If it makes you feel better, throw him in jail for a month to let him know what awaits if he fucks up again, then put an ankle bracelet on him and make him stay in some sort of halfway home until his debt is paid. Just throwing him behind bars for 5-10 years isn't going to solve anything.
Instead of managing a herd of folks to a launch party that might happen, the folks at Kennedy need to focus on a safe launch.
You know you can do both, right? Or do you think the people maintaining the safety of the attractions at Disney are the same people in charge of getting people in and out of the park?
Disney is not that far away if you need entertainment. It already has the facilities to support the herd.
As soon as Disney starts launching rockets instead of charging $200 be able to stand in line for 5 rides, maybe I'll go. Until then, you can keep it.
Oh, they get it, they just don't care enough to do anything about it.
Give me an option where I can choose exactly what channels I want, and exclude the channels I don't want..
Start with an example: I like Science channel, as it is one of the few "science-y" channels left that actually shows "scienc-y stuff". Unlike The Learning Channel that is hasn't had anything of any value on it in a decade, and I wouldn't pay a dime for. The problem? They are both owned by Discovery, Inc, who owns among others, The Food Network, HGTV, Cooking Channel, DIY Network, Great American Country. You'll quickly find that almost every one of your favorite channels is owned by a conglomerate. And while that large "network" may have one or two channels you like, they likely have a dozen that you couldn't care less about. And from what I've seen, all of the "Entertainment Providers" are only willing to sell them by the bundle. Oh, you only want to buy Science Channel? That'll be $50/month please, but the good news is that it includes all this other useless shit we have that you have no interest in.
John Oliver is slightly less factual than the onion
While he will correctly claim that his show is an entertainment program, not a news program, the stories he presents have been factually accurate. Obviously there is satire built in, such as promoting a hash tag of someone having sex with a Roomba. Of course that person isn't having sex with their roomba (I would hope) but the statement wasn't presented as fact. It was promoting a satirical hashtag. If you watch the show it is not difficult, at all, to tell what is fact and what is satire. And again, the facts that I've seen him present have been accurate.
allowing them but putting up a disclaimer that says "idiots only"?
This is the equivalent of putting up "no parking" signs. Normal people understand that they shouldn't park there. Idiots still park there, assuming that "no parking" means "no parking, unless I think my reason for parking here is sufficient justification." And then everybody is stuck dealing with the consequences of the idiot that is parked somewhere they shouldn't be, and in a delightful completion to that analogy: Maybe it's no parking because it's a fire line, and if there's a fire someone may get hurt because the fire fighters couldn't do their job.
US policies forbid anything that even smells of work in the US
It's the same thing going up that way. Last place I worked had guys sent home because apparently the answered the "what kind of work are you doing in Canada?" question wrong at the border. It got to the point where our company lawyer drafted a hall pass that anybody going to Canada had to take with them.
Basically anything that has power is a good place to look. I realize there are battery powered ones, but they aren't going to be of much use unless it's an inside job. And like others have suggested, start with things that have a good vantage point to the bed and the bathroom.
If you're really that paranoid about it, I'd take a look around the usual Chinese product sites for hidden cameras. That should give you an idea of what people are buying, and hence what to look for in your room.
You could actually look into it instead of just being a dickhead... In this case, you are correct, it's not criminal assault in the couple of links I looked through. But it's still a criminal offense. Appears to land you 3-5 years of getting assaulted in prison.
Seriously What the hell, just check your surroundings and you should be able to figure out if you're being watched most of the time pretty quick.
Yeah, no. I've sold/installed cameras for legitimate businesses. It's not hard at all to hide cameras that you won't find unless you start taking devices apart. Smoke detectors come to mind as a quick way to go about it. Anything that already has power running to it is a great target.
Who would pay for these random videos anyway?
This is the biggest tragedy, these dumbasses are getting busted for $6000. They only got less than 1% to sign up? That's a horrible effort.
I bet it's mostly really long hugs.
Yeah. For the most part it's going to be pretty boring. But I know what I've done in hotel rooms... I'm the only one, and I can't believe I'm the most "adventurous" one either. There's a lot of voyeurs out there that would pay good money for this kind of crap.
You can read e-mail all day and be safe. There was a relatively short period of time when Outlook and Lotus allowed random execution of JS/Java from just reading e-mails, but that was short lived, and has long since been patched. Downloading and executing random attachments and clicking links to unknown websites are the only attack vectors left. And those aren't inherently an e-mail problem. Virus distributed within images hasn't been a thing for a while either, as far as I know.
I'll certainly agree that it was ridiculous that we ever had to worry about viruses just from viewing an e-mail. But unless you want to get rid of attachments and links the best defense against viruses is an educated user, god help us all.
I'm being dead serious when I say that the amount of web browsing activity has pushed that computers CPU and RAM harder than gaming.
You're spot on. Even past the porno jokes, Chrome is an absolute hog, and I'm terrible about closing browser windows and/or rebooting my computer. It's pretty ridiculous that a 16GB with an i5 is overtaxed from browsing the Internet.
Yeah... it took Microsoft to come along and make that joke into a reality.
In any sane world (not our current one), reading an email is perfectly safe.
Bullshit. Hasn't been that way for a long time. You have to click on something, be it a link, attachment, or "download images" for anything bad to happen.
In any sane world (not our current one), browsing a web site does not fetch and run scripts.
Yeah, I'll give you this one, but this is absolutely not a Microsoft thing.
Non-redundant sensors. Depending on the failure mode, not having another sensor to compare to would make it extremely difficult for the computer to figure out if the sensor reading is accurate.
As best I can tell, there are three layers to the bullshit (likely four):
1) The calling system "press 1 to speak to an operator", this part is 100% automated. Doesn't matter what you do, say, or press here. Obviously the "don't call me again" option isn't connected to anything
2) The "first line of defense" actual human beings. All these people do is verify that the info you give them matches the info they have in the system. They already have your name, address, etc. Pretty sure, for the vehicle warranty people, they have your vehicle information as well. I've talked to these people a number of times, with varying degrees of false information. Anything that questions the nature of the call or deviates from "pretty close to accurate" gets you disconnected immediately. I've had a few of them get cranky when I give them blatantly false information, that usually makes me happy. My favorite was the dude that responded with "Sir, you could have just pressed the do not call me again button."
3) The "actually sell you something" people. I assume these resources are extremely limited. And they have all of your info. I drug on a conversation for a half hour before he caught on that I was messing with him. He didn't seem too pissed that I wasted a half hour of his time, but he did tell me my full address, phone number, vehicle info, etc. It was actually kind of creepy. But the good news, after this incident I haven't got a car warranty call again. Now the "insurance broker" people are calling me.
I can only assume that there would be a 4th layer of people that I would talk to, should I actually agree to buy something.
But we don't have scientific consensus that the cost of mitigating it today is lower than the cost of dealing with it in the future.
That wasn't what I was discussing. I realize that there is an economic impact that is in dispute, but I was referring to the consensus that we are causing our climate to change.
From an economic and human prosperity standpoint it's entirely possible that doing nothing today is the best course of action because it lifts the most people out of poverty and advancing technology will allow us to live in a warmer global climate more comfortably than we live today.
Sure, it's entirely possible that we "learn to live with it". It's also entirely possible that a drastically changing climate wipes out the human species. And I bet you wouldn't have to look too long to find an expert that can make convincing arguments for both sides. Again though, how we pay for it wasn't my point.
We know that adding CO2 to the atmosphere will have some effect on global temperatures.
We have scientific consensus on the fact that our increased carbon emissions are increasing the global temperature.
We have absolutely no consensus on what to do about it.
Sure we do. The consensus is we need to stop doing it. How the "experts" want to do it depends on who is paying them. This is why we need government intervention. You don't need consensus on the "how", because there could be hundreds of ways to make it happen for each industry. You just need some reason beyond "market forces" to force the population to limit carbon production.
Yeah, hard pass on that one. I've never taken a taxi in a "big city", but I've taken plenty in relatively smaller ones. (Think places like Bismarck ND) There were 2 taxi companies, neither of which gave a shit about anything. Their cabs were dilapidated piles of crap that smelled like piss, vomit, and body odor. Their drivers were rude and drove like they've seen too many action movies. And good luck getting a ride home after bar close, on a slow night it would be a half hour, on a busy night you're better off walking.
While Uber and Lyft aren't perfect, they've changed things out there 100% for the better. The cab companies have cleaned up their act a bit, now that there is some actual competition. And you can reasonably expect to be able to get a ride, from either the cab company, Uber, or Lyft, within a half hour. Not getting into the privacy and legality aspects of Uber and Lyft, but their services have definitely made getting around easier and better.
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It's cute that you think everyone can be rehabilitated..
Please show me in my post where I say that everyone can be rehabilitated. I was talking specifically about this instance. There are people that are just too dangerous to be in the general population.
Like that swatter guy, who was trying to swat people from jail... Some people are too stupid to be anywhere else other than jail...
Two thoughts on this. One: If he was able to commit the same crime FROM PRISON then obviously prison wasn't an effective solution for him either, now was it? Two: Kind of hard to find the time to threaten people on twitter when you're only two activities are working 80 hours a week cleaning horse barns in Wichita and being confined to a house with no internet and cell phone service. Maybe this wanna be gang-banger prick would reform if his ability to be an "Internet celebrity" was taken away and he was given something productive to do, maybe he wouldn't. But obviously throwing people into a box for the majority of their life isn't as effective as we think it is.
I think prison is entirely appropriate here and for other property crimes. If someone decides to destroy/ruin/steal someone else's property, they should be put behind bars for a while so they understand there are consequences to stupid and negative actions.
How does one pay restitution when they are locked up in prison? Punishment isn't the sole purpose of the justice system. There are ways to implement a punishment, pay back the damaged parties, and eventually reincorporate the offender as a valuable member of society. Put the guy to work and direct the earnings towards the damaged party. You could having him pick up trash off the side of the road, or ideally assign him a job where he can learn a valuable skill and proceed into a successful life once his restitution is paid. If it makes you feel better, throw him in jail for a month to let him know what awaits if he fucks up again, then put an ankle bracelet on him and make him stay in some sort of halfway home until his debt is paid. Just throwing him behind bars for 5-10 years isn't going to solve anything.
Art != Science. Let the art students go to art school.
Instead of managing a herd of folks to a launch party that might happen, the folks at Kennedy need to focus on a safe launch.
You know you can do both, right? Or do you think the people maintaining the safety of the attractions at Disney are the same people in charge of getting people in and out of the park?
Disney is not that far away if you need entertainment. It already has the facilities to support the herd.
As soon as Disney starts launching rockets instead of charging $200 be able to stand in line for 5 rides, maybe I'll go. Until then, you can keep it.
These companies just don't get it, do they?
Oh, they get it, they just don't care enough to do anything about it.
Give me an option where I can choose exactly what channels I want, and exclude the channels I don't want..
Start with an example: I like Science channel, as it is one of the few "science-y" channels left that actually shows "scienc-y stuff". Unlike The Learning Channel that is hasn't had anything of any value on it in a decade, and I wouldn't pay a dime for. The problem? They are both owned by Discovery, Inc, who owns among others, The Food Network, HGTV, Cooking Channel, DIY Network, Great American Country. You'll quickly find that almost every one of your favorite channels is owned by a conglomerate. And while that large "network" may have one or two channels you like, they likely have a dozen that you couldn't care less about. And from what I've seen, all of the "Entertainment Providers" are only willing to sell them by the bundle. Oh, you only want to buy Science Channel? That'll be $50/month please, but the good news is that it includes all this other useless shit we have that you have no interest in.
John Oliver is slightly less factual than the onion
While he will correctly claim that his show is an entertainment program, not a news program, the stories he presents have been factually accurate. Obviously there is satire built in, such as promoting a hash tag of someone having sex with a Roomba. Of course that person isn't having sex with their roomba (I would hope) but the statement wasn't presented as fact. It was promoting a satirical hashtag. If you watch the show it is not difficult, at all, to tell what is fact and what is satire. And again, the facts that I've seen him present have been accurate.
allowing them but putting up a disclaimer that says "idiots only"?
This is the equivalent of putting up "no parking" signs. Normal people understand that they shouldn't park there. Idiots still park there, assuming that "no parking" means "no parking, unless I think my reason for parking here is sufficient justification." And then everybody is stuck dealing with the consequences of the idiot that is parked somewhere they shouldn't be, and in a delightful completion to that analogy: Maybe it's no parking because it's a fire line, and if there's a fire someone may get hurt because the fire fighters couldn't do their job.
some people will go to jail
This is corporate America, the only time people go to jail is when they steal from rich people. Killing plebs only gets you fined.
US policies forbid anything that even smells of work in the US
It's the same thing going up that way. Last place I worked had guys sent home because apparently the answered the "what kind of work are you doing in Canada?" question wrong at the border. It got to the point where our company lawyer drafted a hall pass that anybody going to Canada had to take with them.
Basically anything that has power is a good place to look. I realize there are battery powered ones, but they aren't going to be of much use unless it's an inside job. And like others have suggested, start with things that have a good vantage point to the bed and the bathroom.
If you're really that paranoid about it, I'd take a look around the usual Chinese product sites for hidden cameras. That should give you an idea of what people are buying, and hence what to look for in your room.
No idea if it actually works, but you could try this https://www.spytec.com/xb-68-r...
If they have 97 members paying $44.95 a month, ...
Where did you get those numbers? I didn't see them anywhere in the summary.
If this is a joke, it's well played. If this isn't a joke, holy shit.
You could actually look into it instead of just being a dickhead... In this case, you are correct, it's not criminal assault in the couple of links I looked through. But it's still a criminal offense. Appears to land you 3-5 years of getting assaulted in prison.
NY says its a crime
Toronto agrees
Seriously What the hell, just check your surroundings and you should be able to figure out if you're being watched most of the time pretty quick.
Yeah, no. I've sold/installed cameras for legitimate businesses. It's not hard at all to hide cameras that you won't find unless you start taking devices apart. Smoke detectors come to mind as a quick way to go about it. Anything that already has power running to it is a great target.
Who would pay for these random videos anyway?
This is the biggest tragedy, these dumbasses are getting busted for $6000. They only got less than 1% to sign up? That's a horrible effort.
I bet it's mostly really long hugs.
Yeah. For the most part it's going to be pretty boring. But I know what I've done in hotel rooms... I'm the only one, and I can't believe I'm the most "adventurous" one either. There's a lot of voyeurs out there that would pay good money for this kind of crap.
You can read e-mail all day and be safe. There was a relatively short period of time when Outlook and Lotus allowed random execution of JS/Java from just reading e-mails, but that was short lived, and has long since been patched. Downloading and executing random attachments and clicking links to unknown websites are the only attack vectors left. And those aren't inherently an e-mail problem. Virus distributed within images hasn't been a thing for a while either, as far as I know.
I'll certainly agree that it was ridiculous that we ever had to worry about viruses just from viewing an e-mail. But unless you want to get rid of attachments and links the best defense against viruses is an educated user, god help us all.
and you don't see any more upgrade funding until the Lions win the Super Bowl
Wait, all my Lions fan buddies are CONVINCED that is going to happen any year now. Any. Year. Now.
Go Pack!
I'm being dead serious when I say that the amount of web browsing activity has pushed that computers CPU and RAM harder than gaming.
You're spot on. Even past the porno jokes, Chrome is an absolute hog, and I'm terrible about closing browser windows and/or rebooting my computer. It's pretty ridiculous that a 16GB with an i5 is overtaxed from browsing the Internet.
Yeah... it took Microsoft to come along and make that joke into a reality.
In any sane world (not our current one), reading an email is perfectly safe.
Bullshit. Hasn't been that way for a long time. You have to click on something, be it a link, attachment, or "download images" for anything bad to happen.
In any sane world (not our current one), browsing a web site does not fetch and run scripts.
Yeah, I'll give you this one, but this is absolutely not a Microsoft thing.
I assume, from your post, that electrical or plumbing inspectors are a waste of time as well?
Non-redundant sensors. Depending on the failure mode, not having another sensor to compare to would make it extremely difficult for the computer to figure out if the sensor reading is accurate.
The difference is when you lose your local files, you still have the floppy disks/CDs from 12 years ago.
(I definitely did not mention those DECtapes in the attic).
Sure, but are they readable? Are you absolutely sure they readable? I mean, you wouldn't know unless you read each and every one of them periodically.
1) The calling system "press 1 to speak to an operator", this part is 100% automated. Doesn't matter what you do, say, or press here. Obviously the "don't call me again" option isn't connected to anything
2) The "first line of defense" actual human beings. All these people do is verify that the info you give them matches the info they have in the system. They already have your name, address, etc. Pretty sure, for the vehicle warranty people, they have your vehicle information as well. I've talked to these people a number of times, with varying degrees of false information. Anything that questions the nature of the call or deviates from "pretty close to accurate" gets you disconnected immediately. I've had a few of them get cranky when I give them blatantly false information, that usually makes me happy. My favorite was the dude that responded with "Sir, you could have just pressed the do not call me again button."
3) The "actually sell you something" people. I assume these resources are extremely limited. And they have all of your info. I drug on a conversation for a half hour before he caught on that I was messing with him. He didn't seem too pissed that I wasted a half hour of his time, but he did tell me my full address, phone number, vehicle info, etc. It was actually kind of creepy. But the good news, after this incident I haven't got a car warranty call again. Now the "insurance broker" people are calling me.
I can only assume that there would be a 4th layer of people that I would talk to, should I actually agree to buy something.
Wow, didn't realize "-1, I disagree with you" was a thing. Oh, wait, it's slashdot. Nevermind.
But we don't have scientific consensus that the cost of mitigating it today is lower than the cost of dealing with it in the future.
That wasn't what I was discussing. I realize that there is an economic impact that is in dispute, but I was referring to the consensus that we are causing our climate to change.
From an economic and human prosperity standpoint it's entirely possible that doing nothing today is the best course of action because it lifts the most people out of poverty and advancing technology will allow us to live in a warmer global climate more comfortably than we live today.
Sure, it's entirely possible that we "learn to live with it". It's also entirely possible that a drastically changing climate wipes out the human species. And I bet you wouldn't have to look too long to find an expert that can make convincing arguments for both sides. Again though, how we pay for it wasn't my point.
We know that adding CO2 to the atmosphere will have some effect on global temperatures.
We have scientific consensus on the fact that our increased carbon emissions are increasing the global temperature.
We have absolutely no consensus on what to do about it.
Sure we do. The consensus is we need to stop doing it. How the "experts" want to do it depends on who is paying them. This is why we need government intervention. You don't need consensus on the "how", because there could be hundreds of ways to make it happen for each industry. You just need some reason beyond "market forces" to force the population to limit carbon production.
and call a taxi (they still exist, too!).
Yeah, hard pass on that one. I've never taken a taxi in a "big city", but I've taken plenty in relatively smaller ones. (Think places like Bismarck ND) There were 2 taxi companies, neither of which gave a shit about anything. Their cabs were dilapidated piles of crap that smelled like piss, vomit, and body odor. Their drivers were rude and drove like they've seen too many action movies. And good luck getting a ride home after bar close, on a slow night it would be a half hour, on a busy night you're better off walking.
While Uber and Lyft aren't perfect, they've changed things out there 100% for the better. The cab companies have cleaned up their act a bit, now that there is some actual competition. And you can reasonably expect to be able to get a ride, from either the cab company, Uber, or Lyft, within a half hour. Not getting into the privacy and legality aspects of Uber and Lyft, but their services have definitely made getting around easier and better.