See, I accept that there will always be some amount of danger. The question is not, are there dangerous people? Of course there are. Duh!
The question is, are there so many, who are so dangerous, that we need to fund the FBI?
I actually don't think so....case in point. When you add that their major achievements lately have been finding unstable people to radicalize, turn into terrorists, and arrest.... I think we have a whole pattern of "trying to look relevant", that seems to me to indicate a serious question of utility.
See, they were making a big deal about it because they thought this guy was here...thats how I fond out.
I didn't realize how many lists they have but...it makes sense. Violent crime in general has been on the downswing since the 90s. Their most recent big op was Whitey Bulger... which was a big deal to some people around here (given that we live less than a mile from where his gang was active... and my wife is from southie)
but... he was a geriatric old man, who stopped being truely criminally active 20 years ago.... well... unless you count coming back to Boston armed a couple of times looking to settle some scores... which... kind of makes me chuckle the thought of a white haired old man in his 70s rolling heavy around boston.
In fact, it would be odd for me to say he is good or a hero given that I am one of his legitimate targets, as someone who works for a company that does animal testing. Hell, I have been in the room while they were doing necropsy procedures on mice. I am a fucking monster by his standards.... still.... not so worried.
Well I never said it was ok, just that, if thats the biggest danger out there, then we are paying way too much for protection from it.
But.... they were just sending out notices here in MA that one of their "most wanted" was believed to be in the area and... thats exactly how he was described. Some animal rights bozo.
Seems to fit my description pretty well.... ok he planted 2 bombs... one incident.... no casualties.... in 2003.
If thats what it gets to be "Most Wanted" and even featured 6 times on "Americas Most Wanted" then...seriously.... I feel pretty fucking safe knowing that this dude is amongst the worst out there.
Not saying hes good, or a hero or anything, just... as far as bad guys go... I am pretty unimpressed.
Lets face it, when they are putting out advisories actually advertising that one of the FBI's "Most Wanted" is some dude who blew up a package at a building, in the middle of the night, injuring noone, just so he could make some statement about "Animal Liberation".... you really have to wonder what the hell these people actually do for a living anyway.
I mean.... if that dude is one of the top 10 threats out there.... then I think we can all relax.
Quick, somebody find a tenuous link to terrorism so we can look relevant!
We claim solidarity with the oppressed of occupy FORTRAN and deplore the brutal unwarranted acts of card stack shuffling by the police at their encampment!
I figured it was going to be more of the same sort of proxy war BS with them. I mean, anything could happen if the Neocons rise again, but now that we have a moderate republican president, I doubt that will happen for at least another 5 years, and who knows what could happen in that time, could even have a new mole step up to be whacked.... you know... a softer looking target.
Because you have no intention of actually using them.
The point here is not to be ready for a war with Iran, the point is to justify defense contractor jobs, keep the budgetary money flowing, and give Iran an excuse to do the same and give us more excuses later.
yes yes, but thats very limited. Yes, you can deny service.... but it can be started back up. The only loss is availability of the service, the integrity of the service is uncompromised. It isn't allowing someone to make you serve up their data, it isn't allowing anyone to dump data they shouldn't have, it isn't allowing them to change, erase or anything your data.
Essentially... a DDOS means you are hosed until they stop or you can upgrade... the term 0-Day tends to be used to refer to actualy security issues, where the denial of the service is the least of your worries. Patching isn't good enough because, they got a window in, and could have installed a root kit.
However... the x-ray machine in a private office is only ever aimed at customers of that office. As a customer, I could demand the calibration records, or refuse my business. Maybe they show them, maybe they don't (they probably do...and tell the story of the oddball for years)... but the point is.... these are aimed at the public. They stand in the way of using a publicly available transportation resource.
As such, I think that is a strong case for making the records public.
Also, you probably need to get both inside and outside measurements... if you could get a TSA worker by the machine to wear one in their pocket for a few weeks, that would be a very useful measurement.
Honestly... I think someone needs to talk to some hospital workers. Any hospital could easily help with this, and could probably be convinced to do it for cost just for the fact that this really is a public service to test. Even if not, there are a lot of people in healthcare who need to wear them, so theres many options there.
My mother wore a dosimeter for years. She was an x-ray tech and was told on her first day of training "By choosing this job, you are taking 10 years off your life". Thats probably less true now. Hers was just a piece of film in a plastic case. Every once in a while they get collected and developed. Cumulative dose over time is measured and sometimes resulted in some extra mandatory vacation. um... w00t?:/
Sure its simple, you can make one, or buy them, but, having them processed by someone who is competent to do it, and can stand by their results is key for something like this. If someone at the local Hospital radiology department wanted to help, they could put this issue to rest... without much problem. Anybody can claim numbers on a device, anybody can say they developed their own film and calculated the dose.... but people who do it every day can give you results that are harder to ignore.
Yah but, let's see Da Vinci's impaled head take more than one or two blasts of rocket splash damage without being reduced to gibs. We KNOW where Carmack's cranium stacks up in that test.
I did the oposite a few times... that is... I aced the quiz but never read the book. Mostly it was from picking up a few facts about the reading from hallway chatter, then guessing the rest based on context and questions asked... worked quite well.
No seriously/....why? What percentage of suicides are made up by these? How prevalent of a problem is it? How many would you expect to be prevented for every person prosecuted for something utterly stupid?
Also.... wasn't it her right to die if she wanted to?
I swear, one unstable person is harassed by one single group of individuals with a single fantastic outcome, and now we have to change the rules for everyone? Exactly how far up your ass is your cranium lodged?
I saw the same thing, and I agree. I think people are reading way too much into a couple of these. They look a lot more like artifacts of image processing than legitimate constructions. The main tip off, on the first one, is the way the white lines end in a line... you mean to tell me that some engineer designed a structure or some work site evolved... along the tracks of some river bed or some such (hard to tell)... down multiple different tracks, in such a way as to be perfectly enclosed in a rectangle?
Oh I don't disagree.... I totally see why some people want to pay, like you say, its totally personal. Sometimes its to put up a wall of CYA around your job. Sometimes its just because you like knowing you can call someone, or because you weren't there to remember when "major release" meant "spend the next day messing with your X config" or "Time to compile a new kernel with the specific patches I need" and might need some help now and again.
I love that there are distros that cater to such needs. Not the least of which being because it means my company was able to convince themselves Linux was ok to run because there was a vendor to call (that and because it was already all over the place;) ) Its great that new people have a place to go that isn't just trial by fire.
Also yah, you may be right, it probably is best that we leave, and Debian is a great choice since any improvements there filter up easily back to Ubuntu. Just lamenting that its looking like I might need to, its been a good run, hate to see it end. Though, also I came to Ubuntu because it had something even for me... I loved Debian... since bo man. It was just those release cycles that were killer. I was looking at a Debian timeline the other day, and I can see why I switched...it was that woody got so old, I ended up switching before Sarge came out.
That and Ubuntu really wowed me. It was flashy, which, of course I like...but it was flashy without sacrificing function. Or at least, none that I could tell. And it was Debian under the hood, which.... you know... I was still seeing Debian on my servers but... on my desktops I messed around with her smoking hot sister. Best of both worlds:)
I am not really mad, a bit disappointed to need to consider parting ways, who really likes change forced on them? But the devs do the work, the org foots the bills, if they need to go a direction I can't go, we part ways. Just a statement of fact... I am going this way, and here is why.
Also.... for the record... I didn't hate unity. I have always liked NexStep! I just never found it all THAT useful. They have taken it in some nice directions, but... its a case of the tool makes too many assumptions and isn't really made for someone who is going to do advanced things.
I may try it again at some point and see if it works better... but I am skeptical, and changing over means losing really significant customization geared towards the tasks I need to perform on a regular basis.
Oh, I am with you. I have no problem with the Russians getting the money, as long as the job gets done. Yes its hard, yes shit happens, and thats ok. However, there is a difference between shit happens and, shit happens and we don't do shit about it. As you said, its been clear that there are problems and they haven't been fixed. Thats too bad.
If they can fix them, then, more power to them. I hope they do. However, the Planetary Society does work off donations and seeing all those donations go up in smoke, well... even if it can't be avoided all the time, every reasonable effort should be made to avoid it.
I would think the PS would use NASA first if NASA would work with them on the project. There must be some reason they are not working with NASA on this.
Maybe better....they should put conditions on it.... we pay you to do it.... after the probe makes it past the moon at least?
Or require some more QA testing and auditing of procedures to make sure things are working properly? I dunno, its hard to say what they need before a full investigation is done (if one is), but, they have a program and are a damned site closer to being able to do it than most others.
For the most part, they are packaging and distributing others software. They do a lot of work as system integrators, I don't want to poo poo their effort at all, I was a Debian devel for a short time, I have seen the inner workings of a distro setup, and I can see why they would want to try and recoup their costs at least or even, get something back for all their effort.
On the other hand.... as a consumer.... i have 2 problems:
1. There are free alternatives... it doesn't make sense for me to pay for something I don't have to, unless I get something more for it. Now I may be talked, or deciding on my own, to make a donation to something I like, but, if you are calling it a price.... well... I am going to compare my options.
2. If I was going to pay for free stuff, it might be for support. Now, we do this at work, we use redhat. Aside from when we do upgrades to commercial products that we bought from them, we never use support. Not OS support, which the management thinks we MUST HAVE, pretty much never. We are Unix admins, we don't need anyone to tell us how to diagnose the vast majority of problems that we run into. So in short... I don't really have any need for support.
SO overall.... the only value in it is knowing I am supporting people that I actually want to support....except... if I am not using their product yet, how do I know I like it and want to support them? I am much more likely to choose a free one, especially if its a new one that I don't know yet if i will even like. Overalll.... as one of the "power users who hates unity"... I am probably going Debian... but I may try mint first.
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I didn't say they weren't dangerous.
See, I accept that there will always be some amount of danger. The question is not, are there dangerous people? Of course there are. Duh!
The question is, are there so many, who are so dangerous, that we need to fund the FBI?
I actually don't think so....case in point. When you add that their major achievements lately have been finding unstable people to radicalize, turn into terrorists, and arrest.... I think we have a whole pattern of "trying to look relevant", that seems to me to indicate a serious question of utility.
-Steve
See, they were making a big deal about it because they thought this guy was here...thats how I fond out.
I didn't realize how many lists they have but...it makes sense. Violent crime in general has been on the downswing since the 90s. Their most recent big op was Whitey Bulger... which was a big deal to some people around here (given that we live less than a mile from where his gang was active... and my wife is from southie)
but... he was a geriatric old man, who stopped being truely criminally active 20 years ago.... well... unless you count coming back to Boston armed a couple of times looking to settle some scores... which... kind of makes me chuckle the thought of a white haired old man in his 70s rolling heavy around boston.
In fact, it would be odd for me to say he is good or a hero given that I am one of his legitimate targets, as someone who works for a company that does animal testing. Hell, I have been in the room while they were doing necropsy procedures on mice. I am a fucking monster by his standards.... still.... not so worried.
Well I never said it was ok, just that, if thats the biggest danger out there, then we are paying way too much for protection from it.
But.... they were just sending out notices here in MA that one of their "most wanted" was believed to be in the area and... thats exactly how he was described. Some animal rights bozo.
There.... this guy....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Andreas_San_Diego
Seems to fit my description pretty well.... ok he planted 2 bombs... one incident.... no casualties.... in 2003.
If thats what it gets to be "Most Wanted" and even featured 6 times on "Americas Most Wanted" then...seriously.... I feel pretty fucking safe knowing that this dude is amongst the worst out there.
Not saying hes good, or a hero or anything, just... as far as bad guys go... I am pretty unimpressed.
Lets face it, when they are putting out advisories actually advertising that one of the FBI's "Most Wanted" is some dude who blew up a package at a building, in the middle of the night, injuring noone, just so he could make some statement about "Animal Liberation".... you really have to wonder what the hell these people actually do for a living anyway.
I mean.... if that dude is one of the top 10 threats out there.... then I think we can all relax.
Quick, somebody find a tenuous link to terrorism so we can look relevant!
We claim solidarity with the oppressed of occupy FORTRAN and deplore the brutal unwarranted acts of card stack shuffling by the police at their encampment!
I figured it was going to be more of the same sort of proxy war BS with them. I mean, anything could happen if the Neocons rise again, but now that we have a moderate republican president, I doubt that will happen for at least another 5 years, and who knows what could happen in that time, could even have a new mole step up to be whacked.... you know... a softer looking target.
Because you have no intention of actually using them.
The point here is not to be ready for a war with Iran, the point is to justify defense contractor jobs, keep the budgetary money flowing, and give Iran an excuse to do the same and give us more excuses later.
Seriously, have you been sleeping?
yes yes, but thats very limited. Yes, you can deny service.... but it can be started back up. The only loss is availability of the service, the integrity of the service is uncompromised. It isn't allowing someone to make you serve up their data, it isn't allowing anyone to dump data they shouldn't have, it isn't allowing them to change, erase or anything your data.
Essentially... a DDOS means you are hosed until they stop or you can upgrade... the term 0-Day tends to be used to refer to actualy security issues, where the denial of the service is the least of your worries. Patching isn't good enough because, they got a window in, and could have installed a root kit.
wow never mind... apparently you can get dosimeters on ebay. They even have some pen sized ones....
Apparently film is rare in the states these days. Though, it does provide a record, which is nice for this application.
However... the x-ray machine in a private office is only ever aimed at customers of that office. As a customer, I could demand the calibration records, or refuse my business. Maybe they show them, maybe they don't (they probably do...and tell the story of the oddball for years)... but the point is.... these are aimed at the public. They stand in the way of using a publicly available transportation resource.
As such, I think that is a strong case for making the records public.
Also, you probably need to get both inside and outside measurements... if you could get a TSA worker by the machine to wear one in their pocket for a few weeks, that would be a very useful measurement.
Honestly... I think someone needs to talk to some hospital workers. Any hospital could easily help with this, and could probably be convinced to do it for cost just for the fact that this really is a public service to test. Even if not, there are a lot of people in healthcare who need to wear them, so theres many options there.
My mother wore a dosimeter for years. She was an x-ray tech and was told on her first day of training "By choosing this job, you are taking 10 years off your life". Thats probably less true now. Hers was just a piece of film in a plastic case. Every once in a while they get collected and developed. Cumulative dose over time is measured and sometimes resulted in some extra mandatory vacation. um... w00t? :/
Sure its simple, you can make one, or buy them, but, having them processed by someone who is competent to do it, and can stand by their results is key for something like this. If someone at the local Hospital radiology department wanted to help, they could put this issue to rest... without much problem. Anybody can claim numbers on a device, anybody can say they developed their own film and calculated the dose.... but people who do it every day can give you results that are harder to ignore.
Oh wait...wrong dev.... hmmm guess we need to devise a new test.
Yah but, let's see Da Vinci's impaled head take more than one or two blasts of rocket splash damage without being reduced to gibs. We KNOW where Carmack's cranium stacks up in that test.
I did the oposite a few times... that is... I aced the quiz but never read the book. Mostly it was from picking up a few facts about the reading from hallway chatter, then guessing the rest based on context and questions asked... worked quite well.
Why?
No seriously/....why? What percentage of suicides are made up by these? How prevalent of a problem is it? How many would you expect to be prevented for every person prosecuted for something utterly stupid?
Also.... wasn't it her right to die if she wanted to?
I swear, one unstable person is harassed by one single group of individuals with a single fantastic outcome, and now we have to change the rules for everyone? Exactly how far up your ass is your cranium lodged?
_nomapo of course. Just sayin.
I saw the same thing, and I agree. I think people are reading way too much into a couple of these. They look a lot more like artifacts of image processing than legitimate constructions. The main tip off, on the first one, is the way the white lines end in a line... you mean to tell me that some engineer designed a structure or some work site evolved... along the tracks of some river bed or some such (hard to tell)... down multiple different tracks, in such a way as to be perfectly enclosed in a rectangle?
Not buying it....
Oh I don't disagree.... I totally see why some people want to pay, like you say, its totally personal. Sometimes its to put up a wall of CYA around your job. Sometimes its just because you like knowing you can call someone, or because you weren't there to remember when "major release" meant "spend the next day messing with your X config" or "Time to compile a new kernel with the specific patches I need" and might need some help now and again.
I love that there are distros that cater to such needs. Not the least of which being because it means my company was able to convince themselves Linux was ok to run because there was a vendor to call (that and because it was already all over the place ;) ) Its great that new people have a place to go that isn't just trial by fire.
Also yah, you may be right, it probably is best that we leave, and Debian is a great choice since any improvements there filter up easily back to Ubuntu. Just lamenting that its looking like I might need to, its been a good run, hate to see it end. Though, also I came to Ubuntu because it had something even for me... I loved Debian... since bo man. It was just those release cycles that were killer. I was looking at a Debian timeline the other day, and I can see why I switched...it was that woody got so old, I ended up switching before Sarge came out.
That and Ubuntu really wowed me. It was flashy, which, of course I like...but it was flashy without sacrificing function. Or at least, none that I could tell. And it was Debian under the hood, which.... you know... I was still seeing Debian on my servers but... on my desktops I messed around with her smoking hot sister. Best of both worlds :)
I am not really mad, a bit disappointed to need to consider parting ways, who really likes change forced on them? But the devs do the work, the org foots the bills, if they need to go a direction I can't go, we part ways. Just a statement of fact... I am going this way, and here is why.
Also.... for the record... I didn't hate unity. I have always liked NexStep! I just never found it all THAT useful. They have taken it in some nice directions, but... its a case of the tool makes too many assumptions and isn't really made for someone who is going to do advanced things.
I may try it again at some point and see if it works better... but I am skeptical, and changing over means losing really significant customization geared towards the tasks I need to perform on a regular basis.
Oh, I am with you. I have no problem with the Russians getting the money, as long as the job gets done. Yes its hard, yes shit happens, and thats ok. However, there is a difference between shit happens and, shit happens and we don't do shit about it. As you said, its been clear that there are problems and they haven't been fixed. Thats too bad.
If they can fix them, then, more power to them. I hope they do. However, the Planetary Society does work off donations and seeing all those donations go up in smoke, well... even if it can't be avoided all the time, every reasonable effort should be made to avoid it.
I would think the PS would use NASA first if NASA would work with them on the project. There must be some reason they are not working with NASA on this.
Maybe better....they should put conditions on it.... we pay you to do it.... after the probe makes it past the moon at least?
Or require some more QA testing and auditing of procedures to make sure things are working properly? I dunno, its hard to say what they need before a full investigation is done (if one is), but, they have a program and are a damned site closer to being able to do it than most others.
I mean, who else could the PS go to?
For the most part, they are packaging and distributing others software. They do a lot of work as system integrators, I don't want to poo poo their effort at all, I was a Debian devel for a short time, I have seen the inner workings of a distro setup, and I can see why they would want to try and recoup their costs at least or even, get something back for all their effort.
On the other hand.... as a consumer.... i have 2 problems:
1. There are free alternatives... it doesn't make sense for me to pay for something I don't have to, unless I get something more for it. Now I may be talked, or deciding on my own, to make a donation to something I like, but, if you are calling it a price .... well... I am going to compare my options.
2. If I was going to pay for free stuff, it might be for support. Now, we do this at work, we use redhat. Aside from when we do upgrades to commercial products that we bought from them, we never use support. Not OS support, which the management thinks we MUST HAVE, pretty much never. We are Unix admins, we don't need anyone to tell us how to diagnose the vast majority of problems that we run into. So in short... I don't really have any need for support.
SO overall.... the only value in it is knowing I am supporting people that I actually want to support....except... if I am not using their product yet, how do I know I like it and want to support them? I am much more likely to choose a free one, especially if its a new one that I don't know yet if i will even like. Overalll.... as one of the "power users who hates unity"... I am probably going Debian... but I may try mint first.
-Steve