And if CPU's wouldn't need all that bloat they'd use a LOT less power. And run faster, too.
The latest Alpha processor (EV68 @ 833 MHz) uses over 100 Watts of Power. The latest SPARC chip uses even more. The Pentium 4 and Pentium III are about 50 Watts and 30 Watts respectively. Intel has mobile implementations of the Pentium III which use less than 1 Watt (and Transmeta has something is that ballpark also).
Do you have any idea what the word 'monopoly' means? Here's a clue: it is not a generic term for 'big corporation'. The only market in which AOL-TW has #1 marketshare is ISP's, and there are certainly many more choices available, last I checked. AOL-TW is not even #1 is any other market, let alone a monopoly!
It seems like corporations have no desire other than to strip us of what few remaining freedoms we have, and the government is doing nothing to check their power scramble.
What right does the government have to infringe on the rights of private corporations? You want the government to get bigger and bigger, more and more restrictive of rights, and have the ability to direct all business.
This means you want less freedom, not more. You want the government to get bigger and and more restrictive.
In a completely free government, corporations would be bigger and more powerful than they are now (no antritrust law, for example). By definition, only government (and not private corporations) has the ability to restrict rights.
I recently received a notice asking me to report for jury duty on "January 10, 1901". I kind of doubt this is a Y2000 related problem, as they had a full year to fix it. Is there some Y2001 specific bug which could cause this?
People who like music that is ``pop" tend to be people who really don't listen to music, just have it playing in the background while they do something else. if you actually listen to music, you develop taste.
And, as a footnote, those who do NOT like pop music are those who are too insecure in their tastes to admit to it.
My primary listening areas are things like John Zorn, Beethoven's late quartets and sonatas, Albert Ayler, Shostakovich's quartets and symphonies, anything Coltrane did (all of those are among the most difficult music ever produced), plus all kinds of underground hip hop, metal, alternative country, techno, old and new jazz, ethnic musics, etc., etc., etc., etc., but I happy to say that I find most N*Sync and Britney Spears music irrestibly catchy. Anybody who doesn't is lying.
Typically, "pop music" refers to music which is dissemenated by record. The two other major genres of music are classical (which is composed concert music), and traditional music (which is disseminated by oral tradition).
Therefore, "extreme death metal" is pop music, since it is disseminated by record, and not score or tradition.
After all, can anybody actually tell the difference between Britney Spears and Cannibal Corpse? It's all the same crap (4-5 minute technology laden songs in verse/chorus format). The only difference is what kind of filters the vocals are put through, and what instruments are used.
Other genres of pop music (such as jazz, techno, or hip hop) extend the boundaries of music, and are considerably more difficult and innovative than "extreme death metal".
The fact that the benchmarks were done with an intel compiler shows that the results are biased toward one vendor. What if the test was done with gcc? how would the results turn out then? And as for recompiling everything to get the most performance, how are we going to get the source code to closed-source programs?
That's not the point. The point is, using the Intel compiler on a P4 is faster than using ANY compiler with the Athlon. Thus, if you wanted a system with the fastest possible performance, you would use the combination of the P4 processor and the Intel compiler. The P4 with GCC, or an Athlon, would be an inferior choice (for performance).
of course the cpu prices are relevant, assuming 2 systems have the same monitor/case/video card/hard drive, everything else comes down to cpu+ram+mb prices. If a p4 system can be built for $2000, then the same system can be built for a little ore than $1000 with athlon/sdr ram. Places like gateway just happens to be selling their athlon 1.2 ghz systems for more than they're worth to make more profit whereas they probably are barely making a profit with that 1.4 ghz p4 for $2000.
Typically, only complete system prices are compared. It may be true that a P4 is double the price of an Athlon, but that's comparing the CPU itself. But the CPU is a small part of the system cost, so a computer using Athlon costs more than half for a comparably equipped system. To compare CPU prices is to magnify their actual effect.
Comparing CPU prices is to repeat Transmeta's fallacy (who claimed that a CPU with half the power consumption would speed up battery life of the system, when in fact, the CPU was not even the main power hog in a system)
first, you're comparing a 1.5 ghz Pentium 4 with rambus ram against a 1.2 ghz athlon thunderbird with sdr sdram when most 1.2 ghz athlons would probably be paired with ddr sdram.
Incorrect. There is no Athlon DDR moterboard released yet, but RDR (and SDR, obviously) motherboards are plentiful. We compare what's available, not vaporware.
also, did you notice that the pentium 4 machine had a top of the line hard drive (ibm deskstar 75gxp) and video card (geforce2gts) whereas the amd machines used an older ibm hard drive and a diamond stealth 3d pci(WTF?!!?) on the ddr machine and a western digital hd + nvidia tnt2 m64 on the sdr machine?
All of this is irrelevant for SPEC, which is a CPU only benchmark.
or how about the fact that all the tests were done with an intel compiler????
Well, where's AMD's compiler then? The benchmarks are compiled with the vendor's compiler of choice. WHat the results mean is that with the best available compiler, the P4 performs much better than Athlon. With the average compile, this might not be the case, but anybody who is the least bit performance conscious is going to recompile everything.
Then there's the system prices, I have no idea where you got these prices, but assuming all 3 systems use the same components except cpu+mb+ram, the prices would probably look like:
The CPU prices are irrelevant; people buy systems, not CPU's. You can buy a P4 Gateway system for $2000. I have never seen a namebrand 1.2 GHz Athlon system for less than $1500 (though I haven't been shopping for them).
so based on these figures, the p4 is OVERPRICED!
Compared to Alpha (less than 10% more performance, at quadruple the price)?
Heck, even if you buy an AMD processor (or any other processor with MMX), you are paying Intel. Yes, Intel gets royalties from every processor AMD sells.
And for any USB product also.
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No - just that which degree you have (CS vs. CIS vs. ECE) doesn't neccesarily mean a lot to a prospective employer. The fact that you finished school in a technical field related to computers is often enough to get you into an interview.
My employer does not hire engineers with CIS degreees. I doubt any major employer does.
Like what? Please explain. I've yet to encounter anything that cannot be taught or learned on the job, or picked up "on the side" while working.
Show me a CIS major who could validate the cache consistency unit of a superscalar microprocessor. This is the realm of CS and ECE, and a CIS major could not receive on the job training to understand the concepts involved.
You think the Beatles were one of the best artists of the 1960's? You are the one on crack. The Beatles were the boy band, and possibly the most overrated performers of any art form of the 20th century. The Beatles got all of the publicity (and sucked), while other artists (for example, the jazzers), got relatively less exposure, but were more influential and more talented.
Judging music of the 2000's (the decade) by Britney Spears, N*Sync, and the Backstreet Boys is as assinine and irresponsible as judging The Who, Genesis, and the Beatles (the music of the 1960's and 1970's) by disco, bubble gum pop, and all of the one hit wonders of the 1960's.
Music today has absolutely nothing to do with the current artists you mention. Most of the best artists today do not get publicity and you do not hear them on the radio or MTV. This has always been the case. You simply have no clue at all if you judge music by those standards, and perhaps you are intentionally trying to hide from the best music.
It must be really boring to listen only to thirty year old music for your whole life.
How do you feel about higher education? I understand that there are a lot of undue challenges you face (from your teachers, for example) in high school because of whom you are. Do you think this might discourage you from higher learning?
Talk about needing an education! It is who, not whom. The word is in nominative case (don't be fooled by the of).
Interestingly, I popped Tristan on right before seeing this article. Will I be able to download Wagner's music from Napster? How about Carmina Burana (the official music of the Nazi regime)? Or The Merry Widow (penned by Hitler's favorite composer)?
In any case, I doubt most Slashdotter's are old enough to remember the PMRC and Tipper Gore (who was only a couple of hundred pregnant chads away from being the Frst Lady) of the late 80's and early 90's. The resolution, interestingly, was the RIAA who fought vigorously against music censorship, and Hilary Rosen herself won an award from the ACLU for defending the First Amendment.
Will the RIAA fight for this (BMG's membership notwithstanding)? Although there is a heck of a lot of fantastic music associated with the Nazi's (see first paragraph), it, unfortunately, is highly politically incorrect defend Nazi's in any manner.
The Pentium Pro WAS the fastest available on that process. It was triple the clock speed of the Pentium (on the same process), but faster clock speeds didn't come until P6S and Klamath (which were on 0.25um process)
Not really. Few of the bell-weathers are off by more than 50% of their 52-week high (and Nasdaq itself is off by about as much). LNUX and RHAT are off by more than 95%. They have performed MUCH worse than the market, and other tech stocks.
It's really a shame that Slashdot doesn't understand the different between a Pentium 4 and a Pentium 4 system. The Pentium 4 wasn't recalled, but a machine which used that part was recalled. It is a huge difference, and all of the media got this correct, except for Slashdot with it's sensational "Pentium 4 recalled" headline. Can we get this corrected please?
A manufacturing defect is still Transmeta's problem: it's a quality control problem. The designer of the CPU writes test vectors to test the chips. If it was indeed a manufacturing problem it means they didn't properly engineer test vectors to screen the chips. Intel's DPM is ludicrously low (500, IIRC), and with 300 defects, Transmeta would have had to ship 600,000 parts to reach Intel's quailty level (somehow I doubt they shipped 600,000 parts).
The P3 1.13 GHz recall affected only 200 parts (i.e. less than this Transmeta recall), but that doesn't stop AMD and TMTA stock-holding slashbots from bringing it up on a daily basis.
Plus, consider that this is TMTA's first product: their batting average is 0.000, but Intel's is about 0.950. IMHO, this is a major blemish for TMTA which will take years to overcome, and will greatly dissuade fence-sitting OEM's who were considering using TMTA parts.
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And if CPU's wouldn't need all that bloat they'd use a LOT less power. And run faster, too.
The latest Alpha processor (EV68 @ 833 MHz) uses over 100 Watts of Power. The latest SPARC chip uses even more. The Pentium 4 and Pentium III are about 50 Watts and 30 Watts respectively. Intel has mobile implementations of the Pentium III which use less than 1 Watt (and Transmeta has something is that ballpark also).
Do you have any idea what the word 'monopoly' means? Here's a clue: it is not a generic term for 'big corporation'. The only market in which AOL-TW has #1 marketshare is ISP's, and there are certainly many more choices available, last I checked. AOL-TW is not even #1 is any other market, let alone a monopoly!
Since when was teh Alpha affordable?? The P4 is about 5% slower than the fastest Alpha, and costs 1/4 as much.
It seems like corporations have no desire other than to strip us of what few remaining freedoms we have, and the government is doing nothing to check their power scramble.
What right does the government have to infringe on the rights of private corporations? You want the government to get bigger and bigger, more and more restrictive of rights, and have the ability to direct all business.
This means you want less freedom, not more. You want the government to get bigger and and more restrictive.
In a completely free government, corporations would be bigger and more powerful than they are now (no antritrust law, for example). By definition, only government (and not private corporations) has the ability to restrict rights.
I recently received a notice asking me to report for jury duty on "January 10, 1901". I kind of doubt this is a Y2000 related problem, as they had a full year to fix it. Is there some Y2001 specific bug which could cause this?
People who like music that is ``pop" tend to be people who really don't listen to music, just have it playing in the background while they do something else. if you actually listen to music, you develop taste.
And, as a footnote, those who do NOT like pop music are those who are too insecure in their tastes to admit to it.
My primary listening areas are things like John Zorn, Beethoven's late quartets and sonatas, Albert Ayler, Shostakovich's quartets and symphonies, anything Coltrane did (all of those are among the most difficult music ever produced), plus all kinds of underground hip hop, metal, alternative country, techno, old and new jazz, ethnic musics, etc., etc., etc., etc., but I happy to say that I find most N*Sync and Britney Spears music irrestibly catchy. Anybody who doesn't is lying.
Typically, "pop music" refers to music which is dissemenated by record. The two other major genres of music are classical (which is composed concert music), and traditional music (which is disseminated by oral tradition).
Therefore, "extreme death metal" is pop music, since it is disseminated by record, and not score or tradition.
After all, can anybody actually tell the difference between Britney Spears and Cannibal Corpse? It's all the same crap (4-5 minute technology laden songs in verse/chorus format). The only difference is what kind of filters the vocals are put through, and what instruments are used.
Other genres of pop music (such as jazz, techno, or hip hop) extend the boundaries of music, and are considerably more difficult and innovative than "extreme death metal".
The fact that the benchmarks were done with an intel compiler shows that the results are biased toward one vendor. What if the test was done with gcc? how would the results turn out then? And as for recompiling everything to get the most performance, how are we going to get the source code to closed-source programs?
That's not the point. The point is, using the Intel compiler on a P4 is faster than using ANY compiler with the Athlon. Thus, if you wanted a system with the fastest possible performance, you would use the combination of the P4 processor and the Intel compiler. The P4 with GCC, or an Athlon, would be an inferior choice (for performance).
of course the cpu prices are relevant, assuming 2 systems have the same monitor/case/video card/hard drive, everything else comes down to cpu+ram+mb prices. If a p4 system can be built for $2000, then the same system can be built for a little ore than $1000 with athlon/sdr ram. Places like gateway just happens to be selling their athlon 1.2 ghz systems for more than they're worth to make more profit whereas they probably are barely making a profit with that 1.4 ghz p4 for $2000.
Typically, only complete system prices are compared. It may be true that a P4 is double the price of an Athlon, but that's comparing the CPU itself. But the CPU is a small part of the system cost, so a computer using Athlon costs more than half for a comparably equipped system. To compare CPU prices is to magnify their actual effect.
Comparing CPU prices is to repeat Transmeta's fallacy (who claimed that a CPU with half the power consumption would speed up battery life of the system, when in fact, the CPU was not even the main power hog in a system)
first, you're comparing a 1.5 ghz Pentium 4 with rambus ram against a 1.2 ghz athlon thunderbird with sdr sdram when most 1.2 ghz athlons would probably be paired with ddr sdram.
Incorrect. There is no Athlon DDR moterboard released yet, but RDR (and SDR, obviously) motherboards are plentiful. We compare what's available, not vaporware.
also, did you notice that the pentium 4 machine had a top of the line hard drive (ibm deskstar 75gxp) and video card (geforce2gts) whereas the amd machines used an older ibm hard drive and a diamond stealth 3d pci(WTF?!!?) on the ddr machine and a western digital hd + nvidia tnt2 m64 on the sdr machine?
All of this is irrelevant for SPEC, which is a CPU only benchmark.
or how about the fact that all the tests were done with an intel compiler????
Well, where's AMD's compiler then? The benchmarks are compiled with the vendor's compiler of choice. WHat the results mean is that with the best available compiler, the P4 performs much better than Athlon. With the average compile, this might not be the case, but anybody who is the least bit performance conscious is going to recompile everything.
Then there's the system prices, I have no idea where you got these prices, but assuming all 3 systems use the same components except cpu+mb+ram, the prices would probably look like:
The CPU prices are irrelevant; people buy systems, not CPU's. You can buy a P4 Gateway system for $2000. I have never seen a namebrand 1.2 GHz Athlon system for less than $1500 (though I haven't been shopping for them).
so based on these figures, the p4 is OVERPRICED!
Compared to Alpha (less than 10% more performance, at quadruple the price)?
We can look at this with SPEC2000.
1.5 GHz Pentium 4:
SpecINT2000: 536
SpecINT2000: 558
System price: $2,000
833 MHz Alpha 21264:
SpecINT2000: 544
SpecFP2000: 658
System price: $8,000 (???)
1,2 GHz Athlon:
SpecFP2000: 350
SpecINT2000: 458
System price: $1,500
So what is the FACTUAL basis that The Pentium 4 is slow and/or overpriced?
Heck, even if you buy an AMD processor (or any other processor with MMX), you are paying Intel. Yes, Intel gets royalties from every processor AMD sells.
And for any USB product also.
No - just that which degree you have (CS vs. CIS vs. ECE) doesn't neccesarily mean a lot to a prospective employer. The fact that you finished school in a technical field related to computers is often enough to get you into an interview.
My employer does not hire engineers with CIS degreees. I doubt any major employer does.
Like what? Please explain. I've yet to encounter anything that cannot be taught or learned on the job, or picked up "on the side" while working.
Show me a CIS major who could validate the cache consistency unit of a superscalar microprocessor. This is the realm of CS and ECE, and a CIS major could not receive on the job training to understand the concepts involved.
CS is for people who create computers (and components such as system software). They are the real engineers behind the whole thing.
CIS is for people who merely use computers: system admin's, web designers, network people, etc.
You think the Beatles were one of the best artists of the 1960's? You are the one on crack. The Beatles were the boy band, and possibly the most overrated performers of any art form of the 20th century. The Beatles got all of the publicity (and sucked), while other artists (for example, the jazzers), got relatively less exposure, but were more influential and more talented.
Judging music of the 2000's (the decade) by Britney Spears, N*Sync, and the Backstreet Boys is as assinine and irresponsible as judging The Who, Genesis, and the Beatles (the music of the 1960's and 1970's) by disco, bubble gum pop, and all of the one hit wonders of the 1960's.
Music today has absolutely nothing to do with the current artists you mention. Most of the best artists today do not get publicity and you do not hear them on the radio or MTV. This has always been the case. You simply have no clue at all if you judge music by those standards, and perhaps you are intentionally trying to hide from the best music.
It must be really boring to listen only to thirty year old music for your whole life.
How do you feel about higher education? I understand that there are a lot of undue challenges you face (from your teachers, for example) in high school because of whom you are. Do you think this might discourage you from higher learning?
Talk about needing an education! It is who, not whom. The word is in nominative case (don't be fooled by the of).
Interestingly, I popped Tristan on right before seeing this article. Will I be able to download Wagner's music from Napster? How about Carmina Burana (the official music of the Nazi regime)? Or The Merry Widow (penned by Hitler's favorite composer)?
In any case, I doubt most Slashdotter's are old enough to remember the PMRC and Tipper Gore (who was only a couple of hundred pregnant chads away from being the Frst Lady) of the late 80's and early 90's. The resolution, interestingly, was the RIAA who fought vigorously against music censorship, and Hilary Rosen herself won an award from the ACLU for defending the First Amendment.
Will the RIAA fight for this (BMG's membership notwithstanding)? Although there is a heck of a lot of fantastic music associated with the Nazi's (see first paragraph), it, unfortunately, is highly politically incorrect defend Nazi's in any manner.
The Pentium Pro WAS the fastest available on that process. It was triple the clock speed of the Pentium (on the same process), but faster clock speeds didn't come until P6S and Klamath (which were on 0.25um process)
VAX'es.
TurboChannel Alpha's.
The companies continue to putt along just fine, whatever else the market thinks.
No they're not. They have not even made one penny of profit yet.
Not really. Few of the bell-weathers are off by more than 50% of their 52-week high (and Nasdaq itself is off by about as much). LNUX and RHAT are off by more than 95%. They have performed MUCH worse than the market, and other tech stocks.
It's really a shame that Slashdot doesn't understand the different between a Pentium 4 and a Pentium 4 system. The Pentium 4 wasn't recalled, but a machine which used that part was recalled. It is a huge difference, and all of the media got this correct, except for Slashdot with it's sensational "Pentium 4 recalled" headline. Can we get this corrected please?
A manufacturing defect is still Transmeta's problem: it's a quality control problem. The designer of the CPU writes test vectors to test the chips. If it was indeed a manufacturing problem it means they didn't properly engineer test vectors to screen the chips. Intel's DPM is ludicrously low (500, IIRC), and with 300 defects, Transmeta would have had to ship 600,000 parts to reach Intel's quailty level (somehow I doubt they shipped 600,000 parts).
The P3 1.13 GHz recall affected only 200 parts (i.e. less than this Transmeta recall), but that doesn't stop AMD and TMTA stock-holding slashbots from bringing it up on a daily basis.
Plus, consider that this is TMTA's first product: their batting average is 0.000, but Intel's is about 0.950. IMHO, this is a major blemish for TMTA which will take years to overcome, and will greatly dissuade fence-sitting OEM's who were considering using TMTA parts.
Are you serious or just trolling? Intel bought StrongARM from DS over three years ago.