Wrong. It means you shouldn't judge the entire society based on the actions of a few.
If these were isolated freak occurances that would make everyone go "this is fucked up, let's call the police and put these people in prison" then this would be true, but unfortunately it's endemic to their society and not "the actions of a few."
No. As I said, watch "Arna's children"... occupation/colonization breads violence.
No, I mean they're actually brainwashed from childhood to become martyrs.
Nice sweeping generalisation again.
I don't see how.
And to support that, you provide a link to a website that thinks FrontPage mag(*) is worthy of being listed first at the top of their website.
I don't recall ever seeing anyone attack Jihad Watch by pointing out inaccuracies in their writings. The fact is that an Islamic legal manual does say that Muslims should not do long-term truces, and that the Quran discourages calls for peace if Muslims have the upper hand.
*) Michael Horrowitz is quite the islamophobe biggot.
Anyone who uses the term "Islamophobe" without being sarcastic is mentally deficient. Islamophobia is an imaginary concept, it does not exist. It's only used to smear people when no real arguments are available, just like the word bigot.
Yes, it's a serious question. Why do you need a council, with specifically selected members, to discuss human rights? If you want to talk to China about its human rights situation, you do not need a fucking council for it.
The UN "Human Rights" Council is meant to address human rights violations. Its members are supposed to combat human rights violations, which quickly turns into a joke when you look at the list of members. "Members elected to the Council shall uphold the highest standards in the promotion and protection of human rights" is what the establishing resolution of the council says.
Nice sweeping generalisation. I've been in Palestine, and I didn't run into children soldiers.
Oh, well I guess that must mean they don't exist. You know, I've never been mugged while walking around town, so I guess that means my city's crime statistics are all bullshit.
But if you want to understand how a decent kid grows up to be a fierce fighter or a suicide bomber...
It's something that's commonly referred to as brainwashing.
Hamas was elected because they offered an alternative to the corrupt Fatah. Also, Hamas has softened its stance over the recent years, and has offered a long term truce to Israel.
Muslims don't make long term truces with infidels, only short term ones for their own benefit. Explanation here.
But may I suggest you take off your blindfold and do a little research beyond reading zionist literature.
When and where have I read zionist literature? First people try to convince me I'm a Jew, and now I have supposedly read zionist literature. Wow.
I remind you that this is the same organization that has/had/will have members such as Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and China. The council's previous incarnation had equally shitty members. This so-called human rights council also proposed (and possibly passed, I forget) a resolution against freedom of speech... sorry, I mean against "defamation of religions," which of course means "defamation of Islam." Pakistan introduced the resolution, and they're of course members of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, which shouldn't have any business going anywhere near anything related to human rights.
Victim complex, anyone?
Nobody told me I'm Jewish. I'd better ask my mother about this, she has a lot of explaining to do.
Free pass? Israel is quietly the most prolific violator of UN resolutions, violating more than all other Middle Eastern nations combined.
That's because they had an entire organization dedicated to enacting resolutions against Israel. Even if Israel tried it couldn't keep up with the human rights violations and other bullshit perpetrated on a daily basis by most of the Islamic world.
Oh, and Iraq didn't get to do what it pleased. It tried trading oil in Euros and that got it a set of trumped up WMD accusations and an invasion. Iran doesn't seem to be free of criticism either.
People are always defending Iraq and Iran.
Cut it out with the Jewish victim complex, the rest of the world is tired of it.
Shit, I didn't realize I'm Jewish.
Criticism of Israel != antisemitism.
It's antisemitism because of the reasons I specified.
Is there some particular reason why Israel shouldn't capture children? The Palestinians use children as suicide bombers and soldiers. Would you prefer it if they were just shot on sight instead, or where exactly are you going with this?
I invite folks to support their non-violent struggle for peace alongside Palestinians.
Yeah, because they're really interested in peace after electing an organization that will wage Jihad against Israel until it is destroyed.
Posting from my abandoned account since I reached my post limit (thanks to Slashdot's corrupt moderators who give people bad karma for no legitimate reason).
Well, perhaps you should watch media that reports on something other than the middle east then. Terrorism in Congo has been a part of the civil war in that country since that war began, following the genocide in Rwanda, in which terrorists also participated. In neither case were the terrorists Islamic or pushing any sort of Islamic agenda.
Oh, I see. You're expanding the definition of terrorism so you could bolster your argument. I'm afraid Rwanda wasn't an act of terrorism, it was simply a good old-fashioned genocide stemming from tribalism. I'm guessing there's no "terrorism" in Congo either, but even if there is it's a drop in the ocean compared to Islamic terrorism, barely even worth mentioning. Even assuming that both cases are terrorism, it still doesn't help your argument at all. Drops in the ocean.
Terrorism is not specific to Islam.
And where did I ever say it was? I just said that virtually all terrorism today is perpetrated by Muslims.
Yes, please go ahead and waste all your free time (that's, what, 24 hours per day?) trying to find me on the Internet so you can stalk me in the hopes that I'll finally agree to cyber with you, or whatever the fuck it is that crazy people like you want. Or maybe you just got pissed off because you totally fucked up and lost against me in a debate. Whatever.
While the current right wing government in an anonymous north american country actually openly encourages torture arbitrary detention and other human right abuses.
I'm sure this is somehow really related to what you were replying to. Oh, wait, it's not.
You just ignore the real problem of extremism, may it be right wing or left (which mean nothing anyway as they mean different things depending on countries and times). Extremism is what you are trying to denounce, but without education you are not even able to think and find out about what really frustrates you.
I oppose extremism everywhere, but most of it is coming from the left.
I will try an analogy pretty adapted to your level: when you piss in a pot don't be surprised to find piss in there.
So when you post on Slashdot don't be suprised to find leftists.
The left is 'liberal' where individual freedom and economic opportunity are encouraged.
Yes, because restricting freedom of speech and supporting fascist movements like feminism and Islam is all about freedom.
Its amazing how often claims thats "leftists" lack knowledge or the ability reason demonstrate a complete ignorance and intellectually bankrupt parroting of right-wing talking points.
I've debated leftists for years and they are truly incapable of even elemental reasoning.
But then, you've never been to Europe, have you?
I live in Europe, dumbass. Even if I didn't, so what? What is your point?
Jesus fucking Christ, you're still stalking me? You're insane. First you cry like a little bitch that I need to leave you alone and now you follow me everywhere like you want to stick your shriveled cock in my ass.
I'm switching to a different account, so good riddance to you. I have enough distractions as it is without some faggot e-stalking me.
Leftists routinely attempt to silence or shout down anyone who challenges their ideology, and a good deal of the anti-leftist posts I make get downmodded. Conclusion: leftists are downmodding them.
I don't watch Fox and I'm not even talking about the US specifically. Even if right-wingers are like that in the US, it doesn't excuse or negate the behavior and mentality of leftists.
And wouldn't you know it, someone downmodded me. It never ceases to amaze me how leftists are just incapable of understanding the folly of proving your opponent's point. It's actually a lot like how Muslims start uttering dire threats of violence and terror when someone accuses them of being violent.
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Anything that's politically incorrect is automatically painted as factually incorrect.
I like how I got modded troll for no apparent reason.
You mean they publish politically incorrect information? Gasp! How dare they!
Yes, that's exactly what I said. /facepalm
If these were isolated freak occurances that would make everyone go "this is fucked up, let's call the police and put these people in prison" then this would be true, but unfortunately it's endemic to their society and not "the actions of a few."
No, I mean they're actually brainwashed from childhood to become martyrs.
I don't see how.
I don't recall ever seeing anyone attack Jihad Watch by pointing out inaccuracies in their writings. The fact is that an Islamic legal manual does say that Muslims should not do long-term truces, and that the Quran discourages calls for peace if Muslims have the upper hand.
Anyone who uses the term "Islamophobe" without being sarcastic is mentally deficient. Islamophobia is an imaginary concept, it does not exist. It's only used to smear people when no real arguments are available, just like the word bigot.
What link? I don't see it.
Maybe. Maybe not.
Yes, it's a serious question. Why do you need a council, with specifically selected members, to discuss human rights? If you want to talk to China about its human rights situation, you do not need a fucking council for it.
The UN "Human Rights" Council is meant to address human rights violations. Its members are supposed to combat human rights violations, which quickly turns into a joke when you look at the list of members. "Members elected to the Council shall uphold the highest standards in the promotion and protection of human rights" is what the establishing resolution of the council says.
Why do you need a human rights council for simply talking? You don't, and that's now what the council is about.
Oh, well I guess that must mean they don't exist. You know, I've never been mugged while walking around town, so I guess that means my city's crime statistics are all bullshit.
It's something that's commonly referred to as brainwashing.
Muslims don't make long term truces with infidels, only short term ones for their own benefit. Explanation here.
When and where have I read zionist literature? First people try to convince me I'm a Jew, and now I have supposedly read zionist literature. Wow.
You're assuming it's colonization.
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Really? Care to point out where I posted a flamebait? You can't, because I never posted one.
I'm not the one who abuses the moderating system for ideological purposes, so I'm hardly the one who needs to grow up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council#Council.27s_position_on_Israel
I remind you that this is the same organization that has/had/will have members such as Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and China. The council's previous incarnation had equally shitty members. This so-called human rights council also proposed (and possibly passed, I forget) a resolution against freedom of speech... sorry, I mean against "defamation of religions," which of course means "defamation of Islam." Pakistan introduced the resolution, and they're of course members of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, which shouldn't have any business going anywhere near anything related to human rights.
Nobody told me I'm Jewish. I'd better ask my mother about this, she has a lot of explaining to do.
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Really.
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That's because they had an entire organization dedicated to enacting resolutions against Israel. Even if Israel tried it couldn't keep up with the human rights violations and other bullshit perpetrated on a daily basis by most of the Islamic world.
People are always defending Iraq and Iran.
Shit, I didn't realize I'm Jewish.
It's antisemitism because of the reasons I specified.
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This is an argument I never made, so I don't know what your point is supposed to be.
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Please tell me all about the "next phase."
Is there some particular reason why Israel shouldn't capture children? The Palestinians use children as suicide bombers and soldiers. Would you prefer it if they were just shot on sight instead, or where exactly are you going with this?
Yeah, because they're really interested in peace after electing an organization that will wage Jihad against Israel until it is destroyed.
Rwanda wasn't terrorism, and even if it was it still doesn't help your case at all.
Posting from my abandoned account since I reached my post limit (thanks to Slashdot's corrupt moderators who give people bad karma for no legitimate reason).
Oh, I see. You're expanding the definition of terrorism so you could bolster your argument. I'm afraid Rwanda wasn't an act of terrorism, it was simply a good old-fashioned genocide stemming from tribalism. I'm guessing there's no "terrorism" in Congo either, but even if there is it's a drop in the ocean compared to Islamic terrorism, barely even worth mentioning. Even assuming that both cases are terrorism, it still doesn't help your argument at all. Drops in the ocean.
And where did I ever say it was? I just said that virtually all terrorism today is perpetrated by Muslims.
Yes, please go ahead and waste all your free time (that's, what, 24 hours per day?) trying to find me on the Internet so you can stalk me in the hopes that I'll finally agree to cyber with you, or whatever the fuck it is that crazy people like you want. Or maybe you just got pissed off because you totally fucked up and lost against me in a debate. Whatever.
Oh wow, it's a perfect match for leftists.
No further argumentation needed.
I'm sure this is somehow really related to what you were replying to. Oh, wait, it's not.
I oppose extremism everywhere, but most of it is coming from the left.
So when you post on Slashdot don't be suprised to find leftists.
Yes, because restricting freedom of speech and supporting fascist movements like feminism and Islam is all about freedom.
I've debated leftists for years and they are truly incapable of even elemental reasoning.
I live in Europe, dumbass. Even if I didn't, so what? What is your point?
Jesus fucking Christ, you're still stalking me? You're insane. First you cry like a little bitch that I need to leave you alone and now you follow me everywhere like you want to stick your shriveled cock in my ass.
I'm switching to a different account, so good riddance to you. I have enough distractions as it is without some faggot e-stalking me.
Sorry, I don't consider humans to be animals. Get fucked.
It's called reasoning.
Leftists routinely attempt to silence or shout down anyone who challenges their ideology, and a good deal of the anti-leftist posts I make get downmodded. Conclusion: leftists are downmodding them.
I don't watch Fox and I'm not even talking about the US specifically. Even if right-wingers are like that in the US, it doesn't excuse or negate the behavior and mentality of leftists.
And wouldn't you know it, someone downmodded me. It never ceases to amaze me how leftists are just incapable of understanding the folly of proving your opponent's point. It's actually a lot like how Muslims start uttering dire threats of violence and terror when someone accuses them of being violent.