It wouldn't help since the troops are fighting against terrorists, not average people. Many of the terrorists aren't even Iraqis, but foreign Jihadists. Your idea is a naive oversimplification. Infidels and Muslims can't even get along when there isn't a war (or rather, Muslims can't get along with infidels).
There is a mass of dialog that you end up just plowing your way through with effectively no impact on the actual outcome of the game.
You seriously expect every bit of dialogue to have an impact on the outcome of the game? In what alternate reality do you think BioWare, or any developer, has the magic wand to make that happen?
Remember the race riots of the 70's in the USN? Sailor stabbing one another in their racks (bunks, for you land lubbers)?; sailors ending up in sea bags and tossed overboard for witnessing drug deals at sea?; sailors being cold-cocked/whacked over the head with a dogging pipe or dogging wrench from behind?; the sailor in the 80's who was restrained by multiple shipmates who "raped" him with a pneumatic grease gun's tube and pumped the mil-spec stuff in him, ruining his innards? (they got Leavenworth for that);
What the fuck is wrong with the US Navy? It sounds worse than the Russian military.
Gold farmers are obviously interested in bots, and I guess some players are just tired of the leveling process and want to get to the maximum level with minimum effort.
The current percentage does not tell you what might happen in the future.
The fact that the Muslim population is increasing faster than the native population gives me a pretty good idea of the future. The effects can already be seen across Europe.
You need to know or estimate the immigration rate, emmigration rate, birth rate, death rate, assimilation rate across the group you're interested in, and the population as a whole.
Oh wow. I never knew that, Captain Obvious.
You're still posting, so this statement is false. Or you're stupid. I'm guessing both.
No, really. I don't give a shit. Maybe you're just too stupid to figure that out.
You appear to have past experience with people who think you are a right wing Nazi. Though I never said that myself, I guess I'm unsurprised.
The world is full of hysterical fanatics who have an emotional kneejerk reaction to anything that contradicts their touchy-feely tree-hugging multiculturalist ideology of rainbows and kittens.
Based on current trends, Muslims will always be a minority in Europe.
Yep, and if I pour water into a bucket the water level will always remain at exactly 14,5%, no matter how much water goes in. Why? I have no idea, but it must be true.
Now there is some logic! How can I fail to be convinced?
Spend the time to dig up links for people like you is pointless because you'll automatically dismiss any source as biased xenophobic right wing Nazi propaganda, no matter what it is. Even if I do waste the time to dig up the statistics, you'll just come up with some surreal bullshit reasoning to explain why Europe can never ever become Islamic. I once again I have to wonder why the same people who enthusiastically defend Muslims and Islam and accuse everyone of xenophobia are the first ones to hysterically deny the notion that white Christian will become the minority in Europe.
Suffice to say that I wouldn't be concerned about this if there wasn't anything to be concerned about.
You are an insane fanatic. I, on the other hand, am not. I hate religious fanatics of all kinds, but that doesn't mean I'm delusional enough to think that all religions are suddenly equally bad, and teach the same things. It's plain as day to any sane person that Christianity and Islam are different religions with different histories that teach different things and produce different results. You concentrate on a handful of American fanatics (who are nowhere near as dangerous as Jihadists) and completely ignore everything else, because if you didn't do so you would be forced to admit that almost all Christians are actually very mellow. Europe is Christian, and is partly founded on Judeo-Christian culture, yet it's not a theocratic hellhole. You may have missed the announcement, but Christianity has changed and adapted over the centuries. But in your fanatical desire to believe that all religions are completely evil and worthless, you simply ignore all that. You ignore all the good things that Christianity has done for Western civilization. Because you're a fanatic. Your views on Islam are probably not based on any real information or observations, but are rather the foregone conclusion of your ideology. You certainly don't know much about the subject.
Since I'm not crazy like you, I can simultaneously condemn fanatics while recognizing the benefits and importance of some religions (such as Christianity and Buddhism). My distaste towards religious fanatics often puts me at odds with some Christians who I otherwise agree with about Islam. My liberals views make me unpopular with many conservatives, while my conservative views make me unpopular with many liberals. My balanced views are based on logic, reason and facts, not wishful thinking or fanatical ideology. Also, I'm not a practising Christian or American. I think the US has a lot of things going for it, but it also has some problems. I think the Iraq war is a mistake and a fool's errand, but not because I've cooked up a feverish conspiracy theory about Zionist-Christian crusaders.
No it is you who are desperately seeking some sympthoms of a non-existant condition.
Moral equivalence is an irrefutable fact. I've seen it a million times in a million places. People decide two things are morally equal and will go to any lengths to maintain the moral equivalence between them. They will distort and invent facts to maintain their delusion.
As I pointed out already, observing two or more people being morally despicable (based on patently obvious empirical evidence) does not magically lead to a determination that the whole world and all actions of people in it are somehow morally equivalent, which is what you are desperately attempting to insinuate.
All your conclusions are invalidated by your desire to believe that everyone is morally equal.
All religions are irrational lunacy, as one can easily demonstarte by merely examining their tenets. Christianity is not particulatly distinguished in this regard, nor is Islam, with the exception of the fact that the followers of Christianity account for the lion share of the bulk of mass murder and warfare in recorded history.
Yes I did forget the magic lamps with Genies in them and the flying carpets. How could have I?!
It's obvious that you don't know enough about the subject.
hey have large audiences, they are spewing their demagougery every day for many years now. The effects are cumulative.
You are a complete fruitcake if you think O'Reilly is effectively controlling the world.
How so? Do explain. Demonstrate the clear moral superiority of one wacky delusional religion over the other and justify barbaric acts of one band of believers in an invisible-man-in-the-sky commanding them to maim and murder, over the other.
Impossible to explain to someone like you. No matter what anyone tells you, you'll simply continue to believe that all religions are equally evil, because you are a fanatic.
The "aggression" having been defined as the dirty Muslim "beasts" taking over the "holy land" via sexual reproduction.
In what bizarre parallel dimension did any of this occur?
Last of them still undergoing on, in Iraq, at least according to some Christianists on TV.
The Iraq campaign has nothing to do with religion.
You are far too alike each other for your liking.
More evidence of your delusional ignorance.
Not at all. It is a violent, irrational lunacy. Just as Christianity is. The hair-splitting differences between these lunacies are inconsequential.
The differences between the Western world and the Islamic world are inconsequential? Yeah, ok.
Yes, we started many a religious massacre, moreso then any of the religious lunatics, did we not?
Where did I say anything about massacres? Try to keep it together.
It's probably not something that people are consciously doing, but they're doing it. You're in denial of facts or you're not perceptive enough, because moral equivalence games are played by people all the time. Virtually any discussion involving Islam will inevitably cause someone to say "but Christianity is just as bad."
... Iraq, Afghanistan...
As I said, it has nothing to do with religion.
This is a logical fallacy. There is no cause-and-effect link between Jihadis being a bunch of pig-headed religious imbeciles and the Western Aristocracy being greedy and the Western public being complacent and ignorant and the Christianist and Zionist charlatans working their own demagougery on them to their own ends. These things occur independently from each other, although they do occur in parallel.
What? I am arguing against moral equivalency, not for it. Try to keep up.
I have plain as day, empirical evidence to prove it: the "global jihad" is equipped with AK-47s, RPGs, some stolen explosives and what seems like an infinite supply of suicidal idiots.
Then you don't know anything about the subject. Firearms and explosives are the most trivial tools at their disposal.
People whom O'Reilly, Coulter and Malkin (she substituted for O'Reilly on FOX) are in a position to influence...
They are not that influential or important. You are simply making shit up to support your moral equivalence theory.
You ooze your religious biggotry. What does this nonsensical satement mean?! As "evil" as Muslims?
It means that according to the theory of moral equivalence, Christians are just as bad as Muslims (which isn't true).
You mean they conducted Crusades and skinned people alive during the Spanish Inquisition? Burned scientists on the stake? Do explain.
Fun but little known fact: the Crusades were a response against Muslim aggression. They were also limited in scope and length, unlike Jihad which is a state of perpetual warfare against infidels. You seem completely ignorant about the history and nature of Islam.
I have news for you: all fundamentalist wackos, irrespective of the type of their mental disease are evil. With no exception. They will try to subjegate, and failing that maim and murder anyone who is actively resisting their particular woo-woism. Christians did it, and are actively doing it (see Iraq)
Iraq has absolutely nothing to do with religion. It seems I was completely dead on about your moral equivalence beliefs. You're willing to make up any kind of crazy shit.
Thay are different flavours of equally irrational and hateful ravings full of vindictive, vicious, violent acts by their respective make-believe invisible old-men-in-the-sky and even more vicious followers of those sick fantasies, both demanding irrational behaviours from their victims and both utterly incompatible with any rational, advanced civilization. Both should have stayed behind where they belong: medieval dark ages.
Fanatical atheists like you are just as obnoxious, stupid and hysterical as religious extremists, if not moreso.
If you think O'Reilly, Coulter and Malkin (what is she even doing on this list?) are just as dangerous as the global Jihad, you are either severely delusional or a fanatical adherent of the theory of universal moral equivalence which states that everything in the universe is always perfectly balanced so that you never have to have a real opinion on anything (Christians are just as evil as Muslims, the Quran and Bible are carbon copies of each other, Saudi Arabia is just as bad as the US, George W. Bush is just like Hitler, who are we to judge other cultures etc. etc. etc.).
I don't know if I should laugh or cry at this paragraph:
At the forefront of the movement are loudmouth morons who spew constant stream of anti-everything-non-white-upper-class-Christainst invective and rouse various sociopaths to action, mostly via large scale warfare, aerial bombardment and wholesale occupation of foreign nations, exctrajudicial imprisonment in Gulags, torture etc, with hundreds of thousands of casualties in Iraq alone in a period of 4 years.
But I guess it's another manifestation of the theory of universal moral equivalence. Yes, surely the US government went to Afghanistan and Iraq for religious, racist and xenophobic reasons. After all, Jihad is motivated by religion, racism and xenophobia, so obviously everyone else is now motivated by the same things.
If you pour water into a cup, at some point the water level will only be 5%. That doesn't mean that the cup won't become full.
Muslim immigration has produced absolutely disastrous results in just a decade or two. It's hard to feel optimistic about the next 50 years, especially when it seems the Islamization of Europe is just gaining more and more momentum.
Dude, a billion people. 1 in 6 humans. If they wanted you dead, you wouldn't be posting on Slashdot. You are; ergo, Muslims don't generally want you dead.
Again, Islamic countries are powerless. There's fuckall they can do. In the past, when Muslims had more power, they waged Jihad warfare against many nations. I'm sure there's no need to elaborate on their various campaigns in Europe. A modern example of military Jihad would be the wars fought against Israel.
Got some solid demographics on that do you? Or just pulling xenophobic bs out your ass?
The only one pulling shit out of your ass is you. You immediately used the xenophobe card, which is a childish emotional kneejerk response. In what alternate reality am I limited to either being a xenophobe or a xenomaniac? I oppose some cultures, which doesn't mean that I oppose all cultures. Not all cultures are equally valuable and good, especially when they announce that they intend to destroy mine.
It's strange that people who are quick to defend Islam and Muslims always aggressively deny the fact that Muslims are well on their way to becoming the dominant group in Europe. If Islam is so great, what's so terrible about an Islamic Europe?
Muslim immigrants are no threat to western culture. When Muslims live in western countries, they will become western because our culture is better. Sorry you don't think so.
I don't think so because it isn't true and there's no evidence of it happening, while there's plenty of evidence of the opposite. The riots in France, Netherlands and Sweden speak for themselves, as do the violent ghettoes that are off limits to white people and the crime rates. While most people can understand that Western culture is in every way superior to Islam, Muslims simply don't think so.
Lose the cowardly fear.
I didn't realize that being worried for the future of my country and Western civilization in general now makes me a coward.
Not actually. Religions are defined by the beliefs of their adherents.
Even if we pretend that all those Muslims have simply misunderstood Islam, it doesn't make any practical difference.
Muslims generally don't believe what you say they do, because if they did it would be over; we'd both be converted or dead. There's over a billion Muslimws you know.
Muslim countries are powerless against us, but Muslim immigrants can do what governments can't. When they become the majority in Europe (and they will, unless something drastic happens), Europe will become Islamic.
Just because a few wack-jobs interpret Islam as what it was in the middle ages doesn't mean the rest agree.
And yet they don't bomb Mexico, Canada, Africa, Japan, Russia, etc even though they're all different cultures. You're fooling yourself if you think that our political actions don't put us towards the top of their shitlist.
America's position does put it at the top of the shitlist, but that doesn't mean that it's only targeted because of its foreign policies.
Islamic fundamentalism is alive and well in Africa, and there's also fundamentalist and terrorist activity in Canada. Islamic fundamentalism is also a problem in Britain, Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Spain, Italy and Australia.
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It wouldn't help since the troops are fighting against terrorists, not average people. Many of the terrorists aren't even Iraqis, but foreign Jihadists. Your idea is a naive oversimplification. Infidels and Muslims can't even get along when there isn't a war (or rather, Muslims can't get along with infidels).
I get the impression that officers in the US have no hand to hand training at all, and will use a taser as their first option.
The doors also act as small loading pauses. The elevator rides do not take 20 seconds or more, they're quite brief.
You seriously expect every bit of dialogue to have an impact on the outcome of the game? In what alternate reality do you think BioWare, or any developer, has the magic wand to make that happen?
You weren't threatened with android hell. It was a pre-recorded message meant for the androids that normally go through the room.
What the fuck is wrong with the US Navy? It sounds worse than the Russian military.
Gold farmers are obviously interested in bots, and I guess some players are just tired of the leveling process and want to get to the maximum level with minimum effort.
The fact that the Muslim population is increasing faster than the native population gives me a pretty good idea of the future. The effects can already be seen across Europe.
Oh wow. I never knew that, Captain Obvious.
No, really. I don't give a shit. Maybe you're just too stupid to figure that out.
The world is full of hysterical fanatics who have an emotional kneejerk reaction to anything that contradicts their touchy-feely tree-hugging multiculturalist ideology of rainbows and kittens.
Yep, and if I pour water into a bucket the water level will always remain at exactly 14,5%, no matter how much water goes in. Why? I have no idea, but it must be true.
I don't really give a shit.
Spend the time to dig up links for people like you is pointless because you'll automatically dismiss any source as biased xenophobic right wing Nazi propaganda, no matter what it is. Even if I do waste the time to dig up the statistics, you'll just come up with some surreal bullshit reasoning to explain why Europe can never ever become Islamic. I once again I have to wonder why the same people who enthusiastically defend Muslims and Islam and accuse everyone of xenophobia are the first ones to hysterically deny the notion that white Christian will become the minority in Europe.
Suffice to say that I wouldn't be concerned about this if there wasn't anything to be concerned about.
You are an insane fanatic. I, on the other hand, am not. I hate religious fanatics of all kinds, but that doesn't mean I'm delusional enough to think that all religions are suddenly equally bad, and teach the same things. It's plain as day to any sane person that Christianity and Islam are different religions with different histories that teach different things and produce different results. You concentrate on a handful of American fanatics (who are nowhere near as dangerous as Jihadists) and completely ignore everything else, because if you didn't do so you would be forced to admit that almost all Christians are actually very mellow. Europe is Christian, and is partly founded on Judeo-Christian culture, yet it's not a theocratic hellhole. You may have missed the announcement, but Christianity has changed and adapted over the centuries. But in your fanatical desire to believe that all religions are completely evil and worthless, you simply ignore all that. You ignore all the good things that Christianity has done for Western civilization. Because you're a fanatic. Your views on Islam are probably not based on any real information or observations, but are rather the foregone conclusion of your ideology. You certainly don't know much about the subject.
Since I'm not crazy like you, I can simultaneously condemn fanatics while recognizing the benefits and importance of some religions (such as Christianity and Buddhism). My distaste towards religious fanatics often puts me at odds with some Christians who I otherwise agree with about Islam. My liberals views make me unpopular with many conservatives, while my conservative views make me unpopular with many liberals. My balanced views are based on logic, reason and facts, not wishful thinking or fanatical ideology. Also, I'm not a practising Christian or American. I think the US has a lot of things going for it, but it also has some problems. I think the Iraq war is a mistake and a fool's errand, but not because I've cooked up a feverish conspiracy theory about Zionist-Christian crusaders.
I cannot believe how fucking stupid you are.
Ahahahahahahah.
Hahhahahahahaha.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I can't take this anymore. You are completely fucking insane.
Moral equivalence is an irrefutable fact. I've seen it a million times in a million places. People decide two things are morally equal and will go to any lengths to maintain the moral equivalence between them. They will distort and invent facts to maintain their delusion.
All your conclusions are invalidated by your desire to believe that everyone is morally equal.
And here we go again.
No.
It's obvious that you don't know enough about the subject.
You are a complete fruitcake if you think O'Reilly is effectively controlling the world.
Impossible to explain to someone like you. No matter what anyone tells you, you'll simply continue to believe that all religions are equally evil, because you are a fanatic.
In what bizarre parallel dimension did any of this occur?
The Iraq campaign has nothing to do with religion.
More evidence of your delusional ignorance.
The differences between the Western world and the Islamic world are inconsequential? Yeah, ok.
Where did I say anything about massacres? Try to keep it together.
It's probably not something that people are consciously doing, but they're doing it. You're in denial of facts or you're not perceptive enough, because moral equivalence games are played by people all the time. Virtually any discussion involving Islam will inevitably cause someone to say "but Christianity is just as bad."
As I said, it has nothing to do with religion.
What? I am arguing against moral equivalency, not for it. Try to keep up.
Then you don't know anything about the subject. Firearms and explosives are the most trivial tools at their disposal.
They are not that influential or important. You are simply making shit up to support your moral equivalence theory.
It means that according to the theory of moral equivalence, Christians are just as bad as Muslims (which isn't true).
Fun but little known fact: the Crusades were a response against Muslim aggression. They were also limited in scope and length, unlike Jihad which is a state of perpetual warfare against infidels. You seem completely ignorant about the history and nature of Islam.
Iraq has absolutely nothing to do with religion. It seems I was completely dead on about your moral equivalence beliefs. You're willing to make up any kind of crazy shit.
Fanatical atheists like you are just as obnoxious, stupid and hysterical as religious extremists, if not moreso.
Except his actions have nothing to do with religion, and the imaginary crusade in Iraq is... well, imaginary.
I don't know if I should laugh or cry at this paragraph:
But I guess it's another manifestation of the theory of universal moral equivalence. Yes, surely the US government went to Afghanistan and Iraq for religious, racist and xenophobic reasons. After all, Jihad is motivated by religion, racism and xenophobia, so obviously everyone else is now motivated by the same things.
If you pour water into a cup, at some point the water level will only be 5%. That doesn't mean that the cup won't become full.
Muslim immigration has produced absolutely disastrous results in just a decade or two. It's hard to feel optimistic about the next 50 years, especially when it seems the Islamization of Europe is just gaining more and more momentum.
Again, Islamic countries are powerless. There's fuckall they can do. In the past, when Muslims had more power, they waged Jihad warfare against many nations. I'm sure there's no need to elaborate on their various campaigns in Europe. A modern example of military Jihad would be the wars fought against Israel.
The only one pulling shit out of your ass is you. You immediately used the xenophobe card, which is a childish emotional kneejerk response. In what alternate reality am I limited to either being a xenophobe or a xenomaniac? I oppose some cultures, which doesn't mean that I oppose all cultures. Not all cultures are equally valuable and good, especially when they announce that they intend to destroy mine.
It's strange that people who are quick to defend Islam and Muslims always aggressively deny the fact that Muslims are well on their way to becoming the dominant group in Europe. If Islam is so great, what's so terrible about an Islamic Europe?
I don't think so because it isn't true and there's no evidence of it happening, while there's plenty of evidence of the opposite. The riots in France, Netherlands and Sweden speak for themselves, as do the violent ghettoes that are off limits to white people and the crime rates. While most people can understand that Western culture is in every way superior to Islam, Muslims simply don't think so.
I didn't realize that being worried for the future of my country and Western civilization in general now makes me a coward.
Just some stuff I have in my bookmarks.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015804.php
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4006289a12.html
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/theworld/2007/June/theworld_June713.xml§ion=theworld
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22663795-601,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,21403909-2,00.html?from=public_rss
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21525531-421,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21785791-421,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22286025-661,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,21359123-661,00.html
Even if we pretend that all those Muslims have simply misunderstood Islam, it doesn't make any practical difference.
Muslim countries are powerless against us, but Muslim immigrants can do what governments can't. When they become the majority in Europe (and they will, unless something drastic happens), Europe will become Islamic.
There aren't a "few" of them.
America's position does put it at the top of the shitlist, but that doesn't mean that it's only targeted because of its foreign policies.
Islamic fundamentalism is alive and well in Africa, and there's also fundamentalist and terrorist activity in Canada. Islamic fundamentalism is also a problem in Britain, Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Spain, Italy and Australia.
Yes, O'Reilly is clearly far more dangerous than the global Jihad.