i am opposed to ownership going over the level of personal items and small belongings. because any further than that, and ownership becomes control. today's big ownerships like megacorporations, conglomerates are no different than feudal lords holding sway over vast domains. noone elects them. and yet they rule over those resources and through them entire fields of life. copyright and intellectual property carries these over into the mental space - so, even people's minds and their creations are being claimed.
That's ridiculous. The liveliest time in the world by far is the modern age. Today there are about 300,000 new books published per year, just in the USA
thats only because your vision and perception is as shallow as to DIRECTLY compare your contemporary time, with the earlier centuries, as if the circumstances in both centuries are the same.
excuse me, but it stands on borderline stupid. because it is too easy to perceive the important circumstantial differences in between the times.
PROPORTIONALITY is important.
back 300 years ago, there were only few who could engage in arts and sciences, due to the social conditions of the time. and, the technological amenities that makes everything easier today, were not around.
therefore, any amount of activity per population back at that period, counts much more than any activity per population for this period. , because there were not only smaller population that could engage in these activities, and the geometrically higher difficulty in engaging these. (no printers, no easy internet publishing or physical publishing houses, no typewriters, no computers, nothing).
the period in between 1750-1850 is the most active period in science and literature in history. and they have had numerous globe-spanning wars, revolutions and bloody massacres in that period. in contrast, the relatively stable and peaceful 1850-2010 period is only dotted with two world wars (granted one in massive scale), but STILL feeding on what was INVENTED back then. what we have are NOT inventions - they are mostly innovations, and reapplications of the principles INVENTED back then. not to mention that most of the world classics date from those periods - the stuff that the people who are authors today, read to mature. even music - a singular person named bach basically 'invented' the western music and its rules, and we are still using those rules and methods in music.
in short, we are stagnant in regard to INVENTIONS since mid 19th century.
and guess what - big buck entered the science business and patents became the fad starting 1850.
they are intrinsically bad. its no different from giving the ownership of a vast land rich with resources to a single person in hereditary form - that ended up in feudalism.
and similarly, no land grant to any lord was hereditary at the start, or for lifetime. they were given for limited periods of time, or for duration of service. but however, the 'rights holders' kept pushing for more and more rights. they first made them for lifetime, then they made it hereditary. and then they ended up with feudalism.
copyrights and patents create intellectual feudalism. their course is no different than the process that happened in early frank kingdom.
And the war is being perpetuated by a certain very small minority in united states, against ALL the peoples of different nations, through the influence and usage of the intermediary groups that are also minority in their countries.
this is not democracy. this is, flat out class war. the only ones not acknowledging that there is a class war, are us, the majority.
Guys like roman_mir aim to prevent speech, prevent innovation, and prevent progress by refusing to reward and recognize the justice that creators have the right to their own creations and to make contracts in regards to them.
and guys like you are disagreed by thomas jefferson. who do you think, we will hold in higher regard ?
and if you dont even know what im talking about, you shouldnt have participated in a discussion about patents/copyrights in the first place.
people were publishing things long before there was copyright enforcement. or patents. in fact, the liveliest periods in world history are these, despite the technological drawbacks of earlier ages.
theft is controlling activity in an entire field of life (entertainment), signing up artists into neverending loans into debt so you will never have to pay them, make them work like asses for entirety of their career by paying them cents over grants, selling things that cost a cent to produce from dollars, buying laws to censor freedoms to keep it that way AND then cooking accounting books to always show loss instead of billions of dollars of profits to dodge tax.
these are the thieves. now, if you cant put these into jail, just shut the fuck up about 'theft'.
so, your situation is just to let 'thieves' who you can put into jail put into jail, and the thieves you cant, just let free to live as the holders of the entire music and entertainment sector in united states..........
Absolutely! Just last week dozens of Occupy protesters were gunned down in a Bloody Sunday-like massacre by the US military, in much the same way as they have been in Egypt, Syria, and Libya! Worst of the worst, America is! Oh, and I heard that families of factory workers are being threatened just so the owners don't have to improve working conditions! Boy, I wish I lived in China where I can access only state sponsored media and speaking against the government gets you "disappeared"
why gun down people, when you can baton down them after keeping press off vicinity ? why kill people if you can just make them invisible ? a citizen which cannot do anything, is a harmless citizen. and at that stage, you can just keep drumming that you have freedom of speech in a country - as long as noone's speech can be heard by anyone else.
in u.s. everything is tied to money. if you dont have money, you dont have freedom of speech. you can practice it only to your neighbors, blow the ears of a few friends, and your relatives. that doesnt mean shit. to have your voice heard, you must have a lot of money. to have that money, you have to be in good terms with those who have money, or they will send you to oblivion. and when you have the money and in good terms with those who already have the money, your interests need to coincide with theirs so that you will have any kind of possibility to appear in tvs, give ads to them, publish, and be heard.
internet changed all of that. but as you can see, they have been 'fixing' that for some time.
so, just dont talk like stupid people who think that appearances change things :
in china, your words and protest matter - you are dangerous as a citizen if left to talk.
in america, as a citizen you are left to talk because what you say wont be heard by anyone, and the few people you talk to in your neighborhood wont have any effect. if you go over that and attempt to talk to more people, youll get batoned down.
that post basically summarizes the situation : even if stuff MAY have appeared positive throughout the way, you are still in deep shit, if you end up in a cesspool of shit.
Why did the government deny AT&T's merger request with T-Mobile, even with the $millions AT&T spends on lobbying?
simply because that conflicted with the interests of the CURRENT faction controlling the administration.
Why do Federal and state governments keep laying taxes on tobacco, even with the $millions the tobacco companies spend on lobbying?
they want to reduce social security as much as they can. tobacco increases health burden. with that, you cant just cut social security spending. healthcare becomes a pain in their ass.
Why did the Sarbanes-Oxley act pass when all big corporations absolutely hate it and lobbied against it?
because otherwise the big fraud you have seen in 2008, would have happened five years earlier. and as you can see, DESPITE that act, it still happened - wall street scammed ENTIRE world. leave aside any shareholder in u.s. so, as you can understand, it didnt mean shit. they knew they can ignore it, and they circumvented such measures through other ways.
Why did the government reject the Keystone Pipeline from Canada to the US when the oil industry spent $millions lobbying for it?
youre thinking too simple. pipeline from canada to u.s. is as in the interests of canadian private interests as usa. in politics, you hold back such stuff to force the other party to do other stuff. as it happens, draconian measures for copyright are in consideration in canada, a prison system that matches with the u.s. (for profit) is being created, and many other stuff.
Wouldn't it be funny if this one issue became the floodgate through which the pent up anger about copyright, the economy, corruption, the 1%, and everything else poured out?
but everyone including those doing it and the public were pretending otherwise.
this being vocalized so directly and openly, is having a veil-shattering, facade-breaking effect. those who are doing it are not even keeping up the farce anymore.
So, you don't think that the people who are the dry cleaning business are protected by the first amendment? They can't look out for their business's inerests by running an ad that tells their customers the details about what's at stake? They shouldn't be able to offer support for the rational candidate's campaign, the one that isn't looking to shut them down? How is agreeing with a candidate and throwing your support behind them bribery? Do you feel as though you are bribing a candidate if you contribute to their campaign? Really?.
your example is upside down. in real life example here, 'dry cleaners' are banning any other form of chemical cleaners, detergents to force people to have to go to dry cleaners to get clothes cleaned. the more money dry cleaners make from this, the more their power grows and more laws they buy.
this is what is wrong with this system. it can be used for wrong things more easily than good.
i dont need to tell you that dry cleaners in this case are the music and movie industries, and tvs right... the big media.
legions of bastards are holding office in congress. one former bastard is just in the heat now for telling other bastards to do their masters' bidding. everyone's hands in everyone's pockets. and these are all legal.
maybe the understanding we need to shatter about this, is the one that makes people believe that what the real bastards are doing, are acceptable.
i prefer schmitz's globulous ego. because, schmitz's globulous ego is not buying laws to restrain MY freedoms for HIS profit. schmitz can queue up to 100 mercedes, bmws if he wants to. as long as he doesnt interfere with my freedoms for the sake of his own profit.
they mistimed it with 3 days havent they...... it was apparently a means to give sopa a boost. and yet not only it missed the bus, it will have the opposite effect.
- megaupload puts a video on youtube which shows um as what they are - um has takedown agreements with google - um complains of the video - um has no legal rights to that video - google takes down the video
this is ABUSE. again, this is, ABUSE. using roundabout wordage does not make it what it is not. it is still abuse.
princess. balls. leaving aside the fact that using a female adjective/noun as if it was some derogatory word is beyond STUPID itself, even in the sick framework you are using you are lacking the balls to post with an identity yourself.
using dmca to take down content that is distasteful/damaging against one's interests over the usage of the trademarked names or similar beyond-fair-use concepts and ip is censorship.
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did you think i didnt know he was the founder and first president of patent office ? where do you think his ideas against patents are taken from ?
Most people believe in intellectual property laws to some extent.
and there is our problem. that is creating the grounds for exploitation.
for, these people are causing us to play on home ground of the exploiter. let me picture it with an analogy :
the stance of these people resembles people who believed in aristocracy and feudalism, but thought that nobles should not abuse the people.
as long as you play in their ground, they will have the upper hand.
i am opposed to ownership going over the level of personal items and small belongings. because any further than that, and ownership becomes control. today's big ownerships like megacorporations, conglomerates are no different than feudal lords holding sway over vast domains. noone elects them. and yet they rule over those resources and through them entire fields of life. copyright and intellectual property carries these over into the mental space - so, even people's minds and their creations are being claimed.
That's ridiculous. The liveliest time in the world by far is the modern age. Today there are about 300,000 new books published per year, just in the USA
thats only because your vision and perception is as shallow as to DIRECTLY compare your contemporary time, with the earlier centuries, as if the circumstances in both centuries are the same.
excuse me, but it stands on borderline stupid. because it is too easy to perceive the important circumstantial differences in between the times.
PROPORTIONALITY is important.
back 300 years ago, there were only few who could engage in arts and sciences, due to the social conditions of the time. and, the technological amenities that makes everything easier today, were not around.
therefore, any amount of activity per population back at that period, counts much more than any activity per population for this period. , because there were not only smaller population that could engage in these activities, and the geometrically higher difficulty in engaging these. (no printers, no easy internet publishing or physical publishing houses, no typewriters, no computers, nothing).
the period in between 1750-1850 is the most active period in science and literature in history. and they have had numerous globe-spanning wars, revolutions and bloody massacres in that period. in contrast, the relatively stable and peaceful 1850-2010 period is only dotted with two world wars (granted one in massive scale), but STILL feeding on what was INVENTED back then. what we have are NOT inventions - they are mostly innovations, and reapplications of the principles INVENTED back then. not to mention that most of the world classics date from those periods - the stuff that the people who are authors today, read to mature. even music - a singular person named bach basically 'invented' the western music and its rules, and we are still using those rules and methods in music.
in short, we are stagnant in regard to INVENTIONS since mid 19th century.
and guess what - big buck entered the science business and patents became the fad starting 1850.
they are intrinsically bad. its no different from giving the ownership of a vast land rich with resources to a single person in hereditary form - that ended up in feudalism.
and similarly, no land grant to any lord was hereditary at the start, or for lifetime. they were given for limited periods of time, or for duration of service. but however, the 'rights holders' kept pushing for more and more rights. they first made them for lifetime, then they made it hereditary. and then they ended up with feudalism.
copyrights and patents create intellectual feudalism. their course is no different than the process that happened in early frank kingdom.
And the war is being perpetuated by a certain very small minority in united states, against ALL the peoples of different nations, through the influence and usage of the intermediary groups that are also minority in their countries.
this is not democracy. this is, flat out class war. the only ones not acknowledging that there is a class war, are us, the majority.
thats because people are self-indulged, self-centered. in an environment such as this, the most self-centered get ahead.
Guys like roman_mir aim to prevent speech, prevent innovation, and prevent progress by refusing to reward and recognize the justice that creators have the right to their own creations and to make contracts in regards to them.
and guys like you are disagreed by thomas jefferson. who do you think, we will hold in higher regard ?
and if you dont even know what im talking about, you shouldnt have participated in a discussion about patents/copyrights in the first place.
people were publishing things long before there was copyright enforcement. or patents. in fact, the liveliest periods in world history are these, despite the technological drawbacks of earlier ages.
Indeed. That's what I always say: "Free market" is the polar opposite of democracy.
so aptly and clearly put.
im in turkey.
and even i know that rand paul is one of the biggest corporate whores in current american politics.
please. dont vote. you are harmful to humanity.
ill tell you what fucking theft is :
theft is controlling activity in an entire field of life (entertainment), signing up artists into neverending loans into debt so you will never have to pay them, make them work like asses for entirety of their career by paying them cents over grants, selling things that cost a cent to produce from dollars, buying laws to censor freedoms to keep it that way AND then cooking accounting books to always show loss instead of billions of dollars of profits to dodge tax.
these are the thieves. now, if you cant put these into jail, just shut the fuck up about 'theft'.
so, your situation is just to let 'thieves' who you can put into jail put into jail, and the thieves you cant, just let free to live as the holders of the entire music and entertainment sector in united states ..........
wow.
Absolutely! Just last week dozens of Occupy protesters were gunned down in a Bloody Sunday-like massacre by the US military, in much the same way as they have been in Egypt, Syria, and Libya! Worst of the worst, America is! Oh, and I heard that families of factory workers are being threatened just so the owners don't have to improve working conditions! Boy, I wish I lived in China where I can access only state sponsored media and speaking against the government gets you "disappeared"
why gun down people, when you can baton down them after keeping press off vicinity ? why kill people if you can just make them invisible ? a citizen which cannot do anything, is a harmless citizen. and at that stage, you can just keep drumming that you have freedom of speech in a country - as long as noone's speech can be heard by anyone else.
in u.s. everything is tied to money. if you dont have money, you dont have freedom of speech. you can practice it only to your neighbors, blow the ears of a few friends, and your relatives. that doesnt mean shit. to have your voice heard, you must have a lot of money. to have that money, you have to be in good terms with those who have money, or they will send you to oblivion. and when you have the money and in good terms with those who already have the money, your interests need to coincide with theirs so that you will have any kind of possibility to appear in tvs, give ads to them, publish, and be heard.
internet changed all of that. but as you can see, they have been 'fixing' that for some time.
so, just dont talk like stupid people who think that appearances change things :
in china, your words and protest matter - you are dangerous as a citizen if left to talk.
in america, as a citizen you are left to talk because what you say wont be heard by anyone, and the few people you talk to in your neighborhood wont have any effect. if you go over that and attempt to talk to more people, youll get batoned down.
that post basically summarizes the situation : even if stuff MAY have appeared positive throughout the way, you are still in deep shit, if you end up in a cesspool of shit.
Why did the government deny AT&T's merger request with T-Mobile, even with the $millions AT&T spends on lobbying?
simply because that conflicted with the interests of the CURRENT faction controlling the administration.
Why do Federal and state governments keep laying taxes on tobacco, even with the $millions the tobacco companies spend on lobbying?
they want to reduce social security as much as they can. tobacco increases health burden. with that, you cant just cut social security spending. healthcare becomes a pain in their ass.
Why did the Sarbanes-Oxley act pass when all big corporations absolutely hate it and lobbied against it?
because otherwise the big fraud you have seen in 2008, would have happened five years earlier. and as you can see, DESPITE that act, it still happened - wall street scammed ENTIRE world. leave aside any shareholder in u.s. so, as you can understand, it didnt mean shit. they knew they can ignore it, and they circumvented such measures through other ways.
Why did the government reject the Keystone Pipeline from Canada to the US when the oil industry spent $millions lobbying for it?
youre thinking too simple. pipeline from canada to u.s. is as in the interests of canadian private interests as usa. in politics, you hold back such stuff to force the other party to do other stuff. as it happens, draconian measures for copyright are in consideration in canada, a prison system that matches with the u.s. (for profit) is being created, and many other stuff.
Wouldn't it be funny if this one issue became the floodgate through which the pent up anger about copyright, the economy, corruption, the 1%, and everything else poured out?
if you all keep up the heat, it can.
but everyone including those doing it and the public were pretending otherwise.
this being vocalized so directly and openly, is having a veil-shattering, facade-breaking effect. those who are doing it are not even keeping up the farce anymore.
So, you don't think that the people who are the dry cleaning business are protected by the first amendment? They can't look out for their business's inerests by running an ad that tells their customers the details about what's at stake? They shouldn't be able to offer support for the rational candidate's campaign, the one that isn't looking to shut them down? How is agreeing with a candidate and throwing your support behind them bribery? Do you feel as though you are bribing a candidate if you contribute to their campaign? Really?.
your example is upside down. in real life example here, 'dry cleaners' are banning any other form of chemical cleaners, detergents to force people to have to go to dry cleaners to get clothes cleaned. the more money dry cleaners make from this, the more their power grows and more laws they buy.
this is what is wrong with this system. it can be used for wrong things more easily than good.
i dont need to tell you that dry cleaners in this case are the music and movie industries, and tvs right ... the big media.
You remove enough of them, the rest pretty quickly figure out the money (present or future) is not worth it
wow. you are talking as if concepts like mafia does not exist on this planet.
legions of bastards are holding office in congress. one former bastard is just in the heat now for telling other bastards to do their masters' bidding. everyone's hands in everyone's pockets. and these are all legal.
maybe the understanding we need to shatter about this, is the one that makes people believe that what the real bastards are doing, are acceptable.
Schmitz' globulous ego
i prefer schmitz's globulous ego. because, schmitz's globulous ego is not buying laws to restrain MY freedoms for HIS profit. schmitz can queue up to 100 mercedes, bmws if he wants to. as long as he doesnt interfere with my freedoms for the sake of his own profit.
But the DOJ miss timed it by three days
they mistimed it with 3 days havent they ...... it was apparently a means to give sopa a boost. and yet not only it missed the bus, it will have the opposite effect.
i dont know whether you are joking or not.
- megaupload puts a video on youtube which shows um as what they are
- um has takedown agreements with google
- um complains of the video
- um has no legal rights to that video
- google takes down the video
this is ABUSE. again, this is, ABUSE. using roundabout wordage does not make it what it is not. it is still abuse.
princess. balls. leaving aside the fact that using a female adjective/noun as if it was some derogatory word is beyond STUPID itself, even in the sick framework you are using you are lacking the balls to post with an identity yourself.
using dmca to take down content that is distasteful/damaging against one's interests over the usage of the trademarked names or similar beyond-fair-use concepts and ip is censorship.