And of course these "major mopol[ies]" are completely incapable of investing resources in ideas that perpetuate themselves, and are actually just investing blindly in this media convergence, whereas people like you and the author of TFA are the key visionaries?
oh yeah ? and then where is that self-perpetuating, end-of-hollywood idea ? it has been more than a decade since internet has entered living rooms. where is that idea ?
Get a grip, Visa can predict a divorce with 90% accuracy based simply on spending habits
apple does not have the means to catalogue all spendings of almost every western citizen on the planet, and link those spending directly to their identity. if they had it, maybe they could do it.
They all worked for patrons, and generally died poor.
yes. and still not only the greatest works of art were produced by them, but some practically invented the western music - hell, even the rules for entire music.
Jaron Lanier once made the good point that patronage was capable of creating a Michelangelo or a Bach, but it's very questionable if patronage could have ever created a Stanley Kubrick or a Beatles.
stanley kubric is akin to people like moliere in our time, and beatles is akin to entertainment composers of their times. back then, moliere's works were all the rage. back then, waltz was all the rage.
let me go the practical route - if it was happening, either they would be on mtv, or mtv wouldnt be around, and we would be in a totally different situation now.
i really mean it, and if you look at it you will find that the most innovative and groundbreaking period is that one. compare the 'rock' period that starts from the early 50s to this date, and you will find the same pattern repeating itself over and over albeit with different tones. not to mention that music has left the 'art' room and entered the 'accounting' room since 1920s.
Without some kind of copyright and patent protection, there is less incentive to create something intangible
this is TOTAL bullshit. it was totally to the contrary.
most lively and active period in music was in between 1700-1850. this is the era exclusively almost ALL great composers born and died, and a number of them totally shaped what 'music' is and how is done. (even bach is enough himself, and he died a bimbo)
the most active and lively period in science and engineering happens to be within a similar period, 1750-1850. and this is also the era in which patents et al had the lowest weight in how science was done. most of the scientists lacked funds and support, and yet, many of the biggest scientists came among these people. DESPITE there were already patent offices circa 1800, scientists were totally behaving like the free software movement of our contemporary times - freely sharing everything.
starting 1850, moneyed interests and newly materializing megacorporations spanning nations have started to come into play. and from this point on, innovation and discoveries subsided. the only reason the period starting from that point seems more 'scientific' is, what was discovered in the earlier period being put into practice in daily life. a period of application than discovery.
and we are still in that direction today. we are just feeding on what the pioneers DISCOVERED in their time of free science in 18th century. if you look at the stuff we do today, its application and reapplication of already known principles - mostly refinement, than discovery.
its not like we are having gravity capable vehicles and flying around in cities, or even able to use quantum computing in applications. we are THAT slowed down.
if you look at life and knowledge circa 1700 and life and knowledge circa 1850, you will notice that it looks like a superhero comic - life was SO out of reality compared to the start of that period.
and look at 1850 and now, and you will not see the same drastic difference. almost all our technology is similar and some almost the same, but more refined.
i will leave you to ponder the words of the first chairman and founder of u.s. patent office:
Accordingly, it is a fact, as far as I am informed, that England was, until we copied her, the only country on earth which ever, by a general law, gave a legal right to the exclusive use of an idea. In some other countries it is sometimes done, in a great case, and by a special and personal act, but, generally speaking, other nations have thought that these monopolies produce more embarrassment than advantage to society; and it may be observed that the nations which refuse monopolies of invention, are as fruitful as England in new and useful devices. Thomas Jefferson, 13 August 1813
i mean, your viewpoint. it is totally stupid. maybe naive to the extent of self-destruction, instead of stupid. here is why:
Bring in more direct democracy, so that lawmaking becomes more independent of the few bribeable, single points of failure (politicians)
so you are going to take out money from politics eh. im not even getting into the talk of 'good luck with that', but will simply tell you this :
if there was no money going around in politics, the rich would still be able to get what they want by assuring any bureaucrat/politician a lucrative employment after their term, if they passed their law.
they are already doing that. they cant bribe bureaucrats now. cant even give gifts. but what happened with fcc ? the woman totally screwed over net neutrality, despite promises of her administration, quit, and was employed in a good position in one of the corporations holding her leash.
it is simple as that.
as long as some are much more richer than the majority, they will be able to influence politics.
The author's got a cute idea and all, completely bypassing all forms of the traditional and incumbent media... but it's completely idiotic and ignores the fact that the market has already realized this (but better) long ago and is still working out the tweaks. Case(s) in point:
Google TV, Apple TV, and now Ubuntu (with their shit desktop-ruining Unity sidebar and all) have been vying for attention (and feasibility)
if google tv, apple tv, ubuntu tv were actual alternatives, they would be already established by now and would not need to 'vie' for attention.
the idea they are looking for needs to be an idea that perpetuates itself. without needing immense effort to do it.
not to mention all of what you name are just taking the entertainment from a group of major monopoly holders, and give it to new monopoly holders.
I didnt think that this realization would materialize to action in tech industry this fast. this shines hope in that, people apparently actually understand where the real problem and the blame lies, and ready to take it on.
This should be doubled with lobby attack by funding of major tech companies like google, amazon et al, so that the derelict 'entertainment' industry wont be able to buy any laws in the meantime they are removed from existence.
If it wasnt world war iii, numerous private 'defense' companies would be working on atom bomb by then, and be willing to contract with whichever nation was willing to buy from them. of course, atom bomb research ALSO would eventually enable nuclear power...........
this kind of thing goes beyond atomic bomb. to effectively discharge an atomic bomb you need to go through numerous hurdles. to start a plague bomb, all you need is a working sample that is enough to infect 3-4 people in a crowded location.
The foolishness that is millions of users trusting a single giant computing grid owned by a single private corporation was stupid in the first place.
it is everyone putting their eggs in the same giant basket
ranging from policy changes to mergers/takeovers/acquisitions to bankruptcies to government intervention - whatever you can imagine. its a single point of failure and your important stuff is gone.
moreover, these cloud stuff are utilized for making collaboration tools work. so if cloud is gone, there goes your entire communication in between your team, company, clients, workgroup, whatever.
its strategically stupid. run your own cloud if you want. dont put your stuff on another company's turf. its dangerous.
Apple, Adobe, Intel, Intuit = BSA (The BSA has recently "modified" [bsa.org] their position on SOPA but they were fervent supporters)
there is your keyword - they recently MODIFIED their position. so, they left the flock. and they are being retaliated for it.
Pixar = Disney = MPAA Lucasfilm, while not public supporters of SOPA (based on the wiki list) certainly wouldn't shed any tears if it passed (given their litigious history).
there are your keywords 'NOT public supporters of sopa' -> they did not join. stayed silent.
the former group modified their position, the latter did not openly support it, therefore increased the blame on those who openly supported it. and they are being hit back for that.
why wont you shut up about supporting people who are too lazy to work like all the rest of us ? below dude explained very well what is wrong about the art and music world:
"In any case, would you do your job on that basis? No, so you have no right at all to tell others that they should."
Not sure about the AC, but I know I do. I turn up to work each day, write code, and get paid for being at work to write code. What happens to that code when it's left my desk and gone to clients I really don't care about, it could be copied and reused as many times as they want it to, the point is I've been paid whilst I've been actually working, not continued to be paid long after I've stopped working. This is the case with public performances too.
See the point is the vast majority of the world's working population (like on the order of 99.99% of it or maybe even more) already work around the "public performances" type concept - they get paid for actually turning up and doing something. The problem musicians have is they're too lazy, they don't want to work the hours people in almost every other profession do, they just want to do a few hours every few weeks, with the option to take a few years out, and still make millions.
They complain if it's not profitable for them to do this, but so fucking what? It's not profitable for me to sit playing CoD online all day every day, but it doesn't mean I still have the right to do it and make millions in the process - life isn't like that, if you can't provide something the market wants then you need to retrain to do something you can, the world doesn't owe you employment doing your preferred task, in your preferred way.
So excuse me if I have zero sympathy for the whining artists, it's not my fucking fault they're lazy layabouts who refuse to do what most of the rest of the working population has to. So assuming the GP has a job like nearly everyone else in the working population has, then yes he fucking does have the right to tell others how to work - he has the right because it'd mean he's working his way through life, providing something the world wants and is willing to pay for and shouldn't have to subsidise lazy bum artists who feel the world owes them through all sorts of legislation set up to support their lazy lifestyles through lobbying and corruption.
I similarly have the right to tell artists to turn up and actually do some work for a living if they want money, because I provide something the world is willing to pay for and I do so day in, day out. The should also expect only money proportional to the work they do - i.e. if they only want to a few hours work every few weeks or months, then only expect a few hours pay every few weeks or months. The current system despite piracy, already provides them plenty more than that, if they don't like it they can change professions like anyone else would have to, this is why they don't have a leg to stand on whatsoever when they cry about piracy - because they're no more fucking special than anyone else, despite their belief that they are.
I'll start to have sympathy for the profession when there's no more new music in the world. I'll be waiting forever though, because people have always made music, even when there's no money in it, simply because to many, they do it as a recreational thing, rather than an expectation of something to live off.
do i need to bring up a list of such 'coincidences' that happened throughout history, that happened 'coincidence' to outsiders whereas they were carefully planned to happen ?
they vote. and what changes ? election requires money. all parties need to cater to the rich to get elected. else no ads on tv, no flyers, no broadcasts.
it doesnt need to be perfectly planned months before protests. it was probably ready, but they were keeping it waiting due to sopa, pipa forthcoming. to use as a political means. it is no different than what fbi did in hoover years.
Get a load of that coincidence. it 'coincides' just 2 days after sopa protests, and involves almost all major technology companies that have major stakes on internet. Just like how the megaupload bust 'coincided' a day after sopa protests, yesterday.
"Very, very elite hackers?" You do realize you're talking about Anonymous, right? They're a bunch of basement-dwelling twats with a V for Vendetta fetish
yeah. a bunch of basement dwelling twats with a v for vendetta fetish.
first, if you had known zit about the underground scene, you would know that they had a 'v for vendetta' fetish LONG before even v for vendetta was published as a comic. it is the general sentiment/culture/understanding in those parts.
second, twats with fetishes cannot break in and steal data from defense contractors, or take down major websites ranging from fbi to doj.
and if you think that the botnet power that can take down those sites are owned by a bunch of basement dwelling twats - you are really way too ignorant of this.
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People waking up is much more important than any petition. For the first time people are openly reacting against corruption.
For this is where we are headed to. it is utterly stupid to think that people behave the same way in every aspect of life.
And of course these "major mopol[ies]" are completely incapable of investing resources in ideas that perpetuate themselves, and are actually just investing blindly in this media convergence, whereas people like you and the author of TFA are the key visionaries?
oh yeah ? and then where is that self-perpetuating, end-of-hollywood idea ? it has been more than a decade since internet has entered living rooms. where is that idea ?
Get a grip, Visa can predict a divorce with 90% accuracy based simply on spending habits
apple does not have the means to catalogue all spendings of almost every western citizen on the planet, and link those spending directly to their identity. if they had it, maybe they could do it.
They all worked for patrons, and generally died poor.
yes. and still not only the greatest works of art were produced by them, but some practically invented the western music - hell, even the rules for entire music.
Jaron Lanier once made the good point that patronage was capable of creating a Michelangelo or a Bach, but it's very questionable if patronage could have ever created a Stanley Kubrick or a Beatles.
stanley kubric is akin to people like moliere in our time, and beatles is akin to entertainment composers of their times. back then, moliere's works were all the rage. back then, waltz was all the rage.
its just a taste difference in between times.
let me go the practical route - if it was happening, either they would be on mtv, or mtv wouldnt be around, and we would be in a totally different situation now.
what you call 'cable' is already in the legion of that entertainment dinosaurs.
i really mean it, and if you look at it you will find that the most innovative and groundbreaking period is that one. compare the 'rock' period that starts from the early 50s to this date, and you will find the same pattern repeating itself over and over albeit with different tones. not to mention that music has left the 'art' room and entered the 'accounting' room since 1920s.
Without some kind of copyright and patent protection, there is less incentive to create something intangible
this is TOTAL bullshit. it was totally to the contrary.
most lively and active period in music was in between 1700-1850. this is the era exclusively almost ALL great composers born and died, and a number of them totally shaped what 'music' is and how is done. (even bach is enough himself, and he died a bimbo)
the most active and lively period in science and engineering happens to be within a similar period, 1750-1850. and this is also the era in which patents et al had the lowest weight in how science was done. most of the scientists lacked funds and support, and yet, many of the biggest scientists came among these people. DESPITE there were already patent offices circa 1800, scientists were totally behaving like the free software movement of our contemporary times - freely sharing everything.
starting 1850, moneyed interests and newly materializing megacorporations spanning nations have started to come into play. and from this point on, innovation and discoveries subsided. the only reason the period starting from that point seems more 'scientific' is, what was discovered in the earlier period being put into practice in daily life. a period of application than discovery.
and we are still in that direction today. we are just feeding on what the pioneers DISCOVERED in their time of free science in 18th century. if you look at the stuff we do today, its application and reapplication of already known principles - mostly refinement, than discovery.
its not like we are having gravity capable vehicles and flying around in cities, or even able to use quantum computing in applications. we are THAT slowed down.
if you look at life and knowledge circa 1700 and life and knowledge circa 1850, you will notice that it looks like a superhero comic - life was SO out of reality compared to the start of that period.
and look at 1850 and now, and you will not see the same drastic difference. almost all our technology is similar and some almost the same, but more refined.
i will leave you to ponder the words of the first chairman and founder of u.s. patent office :
Accordingly, it is a fact, as far as I am informed, that England was, until we copied her, the only country on earth which ever, by a general law, gave a legal right to the exclusive use of an idea. In some other countries it is sometimes done, in a great case, and by a special and personal act, but, generally speaking, other nations have thought that these monopolies produce more embarrassment than advantage to society; and it may be observed that the nations which refuse monopolies of invention, are as fruitful as England in new and useful devices. Thomas Jefferson, 13 August 1813
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_8_8s12.html
i mean, your viewpoint. it is totally stupid. maybe naive to the extent of self-destruction, instead of stupid. here is why :
Bring in more direct democracy, so that lawmaking becomes more independent of the few bribeable, single points of failure (politicians)
so you are going to take out money from politics eh. im not even getting into the talk of 'good luck with that', but will simply tell you this :
if there was no money going around in politics, the rich would still be able to get what they want by assuring any bureaucrat/politician a lucrative employment after their term, if they passed their law.
they are already doing that. they cant bribe bureaucrats now. cant even give gifts. but what happened with fcc ? the woman totally screwed over net neutrality, despite promises of her administration, quit, and was employed in a good position in one of the corporations holding her leash.
it is simple as that.
as long as some are much more richer than the majority, they will be able to influence politics.
and the reason is below :
The author's got a cute idea and all, completely bypassing all forms of the traditional and incumbent media... but it's completely idiotic and ignores the fact that the market has already realized this (but better) long ago and is still working out the tweaks. Case(s) in point:
Google TV, Apple TV, and now Ubuntu (with their shit desktop-ruining Unity sidebar and all) have been vying for attention (and feasibility)
if google tv, apple tv, ubuntu tv were actual alternatives, they would be already established by now and would not need to 'vie' for attention.
the idea they are looking for needs to be an idea that perpetuates itself. without needing immense effort to do it.
not to mention all of what you name are just taking the entertainment from a group of major monopoly holders, and give it to new monopoly holders.
I didnt think that this realization would materialize to action in tech industry this fast. this shines hope in that, people apparently actually understand where the real problem and the blame lies, and ready to take it on.
This should be doubled with lobby attack by funding of major tech companies like google, amazon et al, so that the derelict 'entertainment' industry wont be able to buy any laws in the meantime they are removed from existence.
It is very unlikely that the source code in these devices have any remaining bugs due to the length of time that these devices have been used
hahahahaahaha ahaahah.
you spoke like someone who has zero experience in software development.
If it wasnt world war iii, numerous private 'defense' companies would be working on atom bomb by then, and be willing to contract with whichever nation was willing to buy from them. of course, atom bomb research ALSO would eventually enable nuclear power. ..........
this kind of thing goes beyond atomic bomb. to effectively discharge an atomic bomb you need to go through numerous hurdles. to start a plague bomb, all you need is a working sample that is enough to infect 3-4 people in a crowded location.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
hows that for a start.
The foolishness that is millions of users trusting a single giant computing grid owned by a single private corporation was stupid in the first place.
it is everyone putting their eggs in the same giant basket
ranging from policy changes to mergers/takeovers/acquisitions to bankruptcies to government intervention - whatever you can imagine. its a single point of failure and your important stuff is gone.
moreover, these cloud stuff are utilized for making collaboration tools work. so if cloud is gone, there goes your entire communication in between your team, company, clients, workgroup, whatever.
its strategically stupid. run your own cloud if you want. dont put your stuff on another company's turf. its dangerous.
Apple, Adobe, Intel, Intuit = BSA (The BSA has recently "modified" [bsa.org] their position on SOPA but they were fervent supporters)
there is your keyword - they recently MODIFIED their position. so, they left the flock. and they are being retaliated for it.
Pixar = Disney = MPAA
Lucasfilm, while not public supporters of SOPA (based on the wiki list) certainly wouldn't shed any tears if it passed (given their litigious history).
there are your keywords 'NOT public supporters of sopa' -> they did not join. stayed silent.
the former group modified their position, the latter did not openly support it, therefore increased the blame on those who openly supported it. and they are being hit back for that.
http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2629992&cid=38758986
why wont you shut up about supporting people who are too lazy to work like all the rest of us ? below dude explained very well what is wrong about the art and music world :
"In any case, would you do your job on that basis? No, so you have no right at all to tell others that they should."
Not sure about the AC, but I know I do. I turn up to work each day, write code, and get paid for being at work to write code. What happens to that code when it's left my desk and gone to clients I really don't care about, it could be copied and reused as many times as they want it to, the point is I've been paid whilst I've been actually working, not continued to be paid long after I've stopped working. This is the case with public performances too.
See the point is the vast majority of the world's working population (like on the order of 99.99% of it or maybe even more) already work around the "public performances" type concept - they get paid for actually turning up and doing something. The problem musicians have is they're too lazy, they don't want to work the hours people in almost every other profession do, they just want to do a few hours every few weeks, with the option to take a few years out, and still make millions.
They complain if it's not profitable for them to do this, but so fucking what? It's not profitable for me to sit playing CoD online all day every day, but it doesn't mean I still have the right to do it and make millions in the process - life isn't like that, if you can't provide something the market wants then you need to retrain to do something you can, the world doesn't owe you employment doing your preferred task, in your preferred way.
So excuse me if I have zero sympathy for the whining artists, it's not my fucking fault they're lazy layabouts who refuse to do what most of the rest of the working population has to. So assuming the GP has a job like nearly everyone else in the working population has, then yes he fucking does have the right to tell others how to work - he has the right because it'd mean he's working his way through life, providing something the world wants and is willing to pay for and shouldn't have to subsidise lazy bum artists who feel the world owes them through all sorts of legislation set up to support their lazy lifestyles through lobbying and corruption.
I similarly have the right to tell artists to turn up and actually do some work for a living if they want money, because I provide something the world is willing to pay for and I do so day in, day out. The should also expect only money proportional to the work they do - i.e. if they only want to a few hours work every few weeks or months, then only expect a few hours pay every few weeks or months. The current system despite piracy, already provides them plenty more than that, if they don't like it they can change professions like anyone else would have to, this is why they don't have a leg to stand on whatsoever when they cry about piracy - because they're no more fucking special than anyone else, despite their belief that they are.
I'll start to have sympathy for the profession when there's no more new music in the world. I'll be waiting forever though, because people have always made music, even when there's no money in it, simply because to many, they do it as a recreational thing, rather than an expectation of something to live off.
do i need to bring up a list of such 'coincidences' that happened throughout history, that happened 'coincidence' to outsiders whereas they were carefully planned to happen ?
they vote. and what changes ? election requires money. all parties need to cater to the rich to get elected. else no ads on tv, no flyers, no broadcasts.
it doesnt need to be perfectly planned months before protests. it was probably ready, but they were keeping it waiting due to sopa, pipa forthcoming. to use as a political means. it is no different than what fbi did in hoover years.
bbs scene was around before 82.
you dont need to be anonymous to know about the underground scene. anyone who used computers in between bbs days and 2000s know underground scene.
you spoke like a true right wing nutjob who thinks that knowing what terrorists means you are a terrorist. not that anon are terrorists.
why dont you crawl back to whichever barn you came out of, and grace us with your non-presence ?
Get a load of that coincidence. it 'coincides' just 2 days after sopa protests, and involves almost all major technology companies that have major stakes on internet. Just like how the megaupload bust 'coincided' a day after sopa protests, yesterday.
euparl is not toothless. any law/treaty needs to get ratified by them.
"Very, very elite hackers?" You do realize you're talking about Anonymous, right? They're a bunch of basement-dwelling twats with a V for Vendetta fetish
yeah. a bunch of basement dwelling twats with a v for vendetta fetish.
first, if you had known zit about the underground scene, you would know that they had a 'v for vendetta' fetish LONG before even v for vendetta was published as a comic. it is the general sentiment/culture/understanding in those parts.
second, twats with fetishes cannot break in and steal data from defense contractors, or take down major websites ranging from fbi to doj.
and if you think that the botnet power that can take down those sites are owned by a bunch of basement dwelling twats - you are really way too ignorant of this.