You said earlier that Twitter is no longer a Rails app because they added Scala middleware. Yet, some of the sites you mentioned also use middleware written in other languages. Why do they get to keep the created-in-PHP status but not Twitter?
twitter is doing what it can do with rails, with scala instead. so, they are actually transplanting.
in the case of examples i pitted for php websites, they are not using anything other than php, where they can. in the examples i have given, the websites/services are not using anything else than php for things that can do with php given the technicalities available. ie, for their backend, they are using php. but, they are not using php for the cellular tower server that routes messages.
Wikipedia, for example, serves most of their content out of Squid, meaning that the PHP code has to do little work, relatively speaking.
php has its own caching modules. it can take place of other caching methods.
Archive.org uses Java, if not other languages, running behind the scenes. They are definitely not PHP top to bottom.
I am skeptical that Capital One really run their entire application on PHP. Financial institutions are usually tied into old legacy middleware written in non-PHP languages, if not for performance reasons, because they have been in business longer than PHP has been around.
your approach is missing logic in regard to integration realities. "top to bottom" is an impossibility in which an app needs to go outside the web for doing anything. for example, a shipping company linking their web presence to a system that tracks the movement of cargo trucks to allow real time watching of where someone's cargo is at that point in time, cannot go all the way php from top to bottom.
actually its possible, if the servers providing the satellite/gsm connectivity in gsm towers or provider are set up with internal webservers, php can run on them and do the service. but, that would not be optimal, and the infrastructure is not built that way.
currently the only thing that is holding php off these kind of infrastructures are the software infrastructure issues. closed source vendors have long ago seeded these infrastructures with their own software, and these hardware were made to run with them.
if it was otherwise, php already has a mind boggling array of modules and extensions to do practically almost anything. you just need to provide the infrastructure.
i know there is an overboard tendency in american news media to invent metaphors from their ass, but do/. users really have to go to THAT far when submitting stuff to slashdot ? huh ? 'kibosh'..
what's next ? 'slapping the sergeant' ? 'feeding the pigeons' ? 'have a word with the junior' ?
Thankfully wireless isn't the only way to get online, and even wired AT&T isn't the only one.
curious that at&t controls 25-35% of all american market in regard to telecommunication regarding internet, including backbone providing, even dial in.
too bad that the people in states which at&t contracted are not able to use anything than at&t
'The FCC's research shows that 78 percent of American households have access to only two land-based broadband providers and that 13 percent have one. Don't expect that to improve. Many competing DSL services have left the market, spurred by the end of line-sharing in 2005 and other corporate consolidations.
yes. believe in 'free market' like a moron, while 80% of you have only 2 land based providers to choose, and ALL of them consolidating and against net neutrality. yeah, you can 'choose'.
free market is not an economic system. its a religion.
which, it plans to restrict, if they can go along with their anti net neutrality move. turn the internet into cable tv for dozens of millions of people.
if, at this point while reading this, you thought that it is not something that could happen, go bang your head against a wall.
corporations have no moral obligation to think about the freedoms of the citizens, and they have shown that repeatedly. they dont have any obligation to respect internet freedom either.
someone please mod the parent up to proper score. some moron modded it down, despite it stated actual facts. indeed, twitter was on rails, but when they saw that it was creating more problems than it was worth, they changed it.
Except this happened in April of 2009, well before Fox News ever even heard of Wikileaks, acta, coica, or this that.
acta has been happening sine 2004. it is known by hosting industry since 2008. network neutrality attacks are being watched since 2006. dmca, nsa stuff and many more had been talked on since 2002.
the date of the article is irrelevant to the matter. it had been just something that increased the trend. republishing of this article, will increase the trend even more, by bringing into attention again.
100-400 ms pings are not much of an issue when serving web pages. these pings create problems if you are hosting game servers or similar.
if you need low latency, you will have to get a server in the physical location/backbone vicinity you are going to offer the server in. so, if you are gonna offer game servers in usa, you need a usa datacenter. if europe, eu datacenter.
however if youre going to serve web pages (ie typical web hosting), us, eu, wont differ too much as long as the provider of your dedicated server is quality enough. leaseweb.com , hetzner.de are good providers in europe, there are others. there are even a goodly percentage of u.s. based web hosts who are serving their customers from hetzner.co.za, the south african division of hetzner.
in droves. im in the industry, and that is what i see. with hosting customers, i dont mean just people who are hosting a few websites. people who are running small hosting businesses with dedicated servers/clusters, or offering vpses, cloud services are running away to europe too. thanks to the draconian (and curiously numerous) internet control crap put out recently (acta, coica, this that) and the wikileaks incident. this, will only strengthen the trend.
murdered millions of armenians, while the entire eastern anatolia had at most 700,000 population, only a percentage of which were armenians.
morons. you americans are really easy to fool. all it takes is a private lobbying firm spending some money into fud, and you all buy whatever you are told.
the thing is 'keeping track' part. the people here, dont know their genealogy. they dont care about it either. i dont see that in many other countries either, except britain, and somewhat in france.
i dont get why americans are so obsessed with genealogy, ancestry and so on. maybe it is because it is a country of immigrants, and everyone is trying to have an identity extending to their past ?
where i live, in anatolia (turkey), history goes thousands of years past into 8-9000 BC. actually, it was discovered that, the villagers living near the site of a recently discovered mummy that is dated 6500 BC or so (8500 years ago) had 100% exact dna with the mummy. (western anatolia) basically, those people lived there since that time, seasoning all that has happened around those parts.
yet, ordinary people dont give 2 flying shizz about their past. people just live on.
economic problem IS the problem. economy means basically ALL of the activities in life. if, most of the activity is taken away by others through a hierarchy of ownerships, and you are put into an underling situation, the populace loses the will to participate in it.
this was the case in the later stages of roman empire. opposite was the case in earlier stages. this was the case throughout middle ages. opposite was the case towards high middle ages.
forget it. i just noticed that you have said "Instead of focusing on debt, we could be talking about how to improve 3D printers so we don't have to use China's cheap labor...". you didnt even understand the fact that capitalist feudal economy is the problem here from the above post, and you are talking like a witless right wing nationalist. cant waste time with you, no offense. wikipedia is your friend.
Slashdot Mirror
http://www.google.com/search?q=php+message+queue+application&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
You said earlier that Twitter is no longer a Rails app because they added Scala middleware. Yet, some of the sites you mentioned also use middleware written in other languages. Why do they get to keep the created-in-PHP status but not Twitter?
twitter is doing what it can do with rails, with scala instead. so, they are actually transplanting.
in the case of examples i pitted for php websites, they are not using anything other than php, where they can. in the examples i have given, the websites/services are not using anything else than php for things that can do with php given the technicalities available. ie, for their backend, they are using php. but, they are not using php for the cellular tower server that routes messages.
we wont use it anymore.
Wikipedia, for example, serves most of their content out of Squid, meaning that the PHP code has to do little work, relatively speaking.
php has its own caching modules. it can take place of other caching methods.
Archive.org uses Java, if not other languages, running behind the scenes. They are definitely not PHP top to bottom. I am skeptical that Capital One really run their entire application on PHP. Financial institutions are usually tied into old legacy middleware written in non-PHP languages, if not for performance reasons, because they have been in business longer than PHP has been around.
your approach is missing logic in regard to integration realities. "top to bottom" is an impossibility in which an app needs to go outside the web for doing anything. for example, a shipping company linking their web presence to a system that tracks the movement of cargo trucks to allow real time watching of where someone's cargo is at that point in time, cannot go all the way php from top to bottom.
actually its possible, if the servers providing the satellite/gsm connectivity in gsm towers or provider are set up with internal webservers, php can run on them and do the service. but, that would not be optimal, and the infrastructure is not built that way.
currently the only thing that is holding php off these kind of infrastructures are the software infrastructure issues. closed source vendors have long ago seeded these infrastructures with their own software, and these hardware were made to run with them.
if it was otherwise, php already has a mind boggling array of modules and extensions to do practically almost anything. you just need to provide the infrastructure.
bickerdicke, is right.
"Puts the Kibosh On Kinect Sex Game Plans"
/. users really have to go to THAT far when submitting stuff to slashdot ? huh ? 'kibosh' ..
really ? KIBOSH ? 'putting the kibosh' ?
i know there is an overboard tendency in american news media to invent metaphors from their ass, but do
what's next ? 'slapping the sergeant' ? 'feeding the pigeons' ? 'have a word with the junior' ?
i wonder what anonymous will do to apple's app store.
Thankfully wireless isn't the only way to get online, and even wired AT&T isn't the only one.
curious that at&t controls 25-35% of all american market in regard to telecommunication regarding internet, including backbone providing, even dial in.
too bad that the people in states which at&t contracted are not able to use anything than at&t
http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/04/18/1318210
'The FCC's research shows that 78 percent of American households have access to only two land-based broadband providers and that 13 percent have one. Don't expect that to improve. Many competing DSL services have left the market, spurred by the end of line-sharing in 2005 and other corporate consolidations.
yes. believe in 'free market' like a moron, while 80% of you have only 2 land based providers to choose, and ALL of them consolidating and against net neutrality. yeah, you can 'choose'.
free market is not an economic system. its a religion.
you cant do wrong by clicking on links of open source stuff.
which, it plans to restrict, if they can go along with their anti net neutrality move. turn the internet into cable tv for dozens of millions of people.
if, at this point while reading this, you thought that it is not something that could happen, go bang your head against a wall.
corporations have no moral obligation to think about the freedoms of the citizens, and they have shown that repeatedly. they dont have any obligation to respect internet freedom either.
unless you make them respect it.
photobucket.com wikipedia.org sitepoint.com archive.org https://www.capitalone.com/
a lot of major websites that are using php as of this moment.
someone please mod the parent up to proper score. some moron modded it down, despite it stated actual facts. indeed, twitter was on rails, but when they saw that it was creating more problems than it was worth, they changed it.
you hand in your /. user id and go back to digg ...
man, how could he already have posted it, if it was leaked just recently ...
Except this happened in April of 2009, well before Fox News ever even heard of Wikileaks, acta, coica, or this that.
acta has been happening sine 2004. it is known by hosting industry since 2008. network neutrality attacks are being watched since 2006. dmca, nsa stuff and many more had been talked on since 2002.
the date of the article is irrelevant to the matter. it had been just something that increased the trend. republishing of this article, will increase the trend even more, by bringing into attention again.
100-400 ms pings are not much of an issue when serving web pages. these pings create problems if you are hosting game servers or similar.
if you need low latency, you will have to get a server in the physical location/backbone vicinity you are going to offer the server in. so, if you are gonna offer game servers in usa, you need a usa datacenter. if europe, eu datacenter.
however if youre going to serve web pages (ie typical web hosting), us, eu, wont differ too much as long as the provider of your dedicated server is quality enough. leaseweb.com , hetzner.de are good providers in europe, there are others. there are even a goodly percentage of u.s. based web hosts who are serving their customers from hetzner.co.za, the south african division of hetzner.
in droves. im in the industry, and that is what i see. with hosting customers, i dont mean just people who are hosting a few websites. people who are running small hosting businesses with dedicated servers/clusters, or offering vpses, cloud services are running away to europe too. thanks to the draconian (and curiously numerous) internet control crap put out recently (acta, coica, this that) and the wikileaks incident. this, will only strengthen the trend.
What is the next generation going to look like?
in case you havent noticed, generations everywhere are starting to look alike each other, even without no interracial marriage happening.
murdered millions of armenians, while the entire eastern anatolia had at most 700,000 population, only a percentage of which were armenians.
morons. you americans are really easy to fool. all it takes is a private lobbying firm spending some money into fud, and you all buy whatever you are told.
do some research.
the thing is 'keeping track' part. the people here, dont know their genealogy. they dont care about it either. i dont see that in many other countries either, except britain, and somewhat in france.
buzz off buzz off.
i dont get why americans are so obsessed with genealogy, ancestry and so on. maybe it is because it is a country of immigrants, and everyone is trying to have an identity extending to their past ?
where i live, in anatolia (turkey), history goes thousands of years past into 8-9000 BC. actually, it was discovered that, the villagers living near the site of a recently discovered mummy that is dated 6500 BC or so (8500 years ago) had 100% exact dna with the mummy. (western anatolia) basically, those people lived there since that time, seasoning all that has happened around those parts.
yet, ordinary people dont give 2 flying shizz about their past. people just live on.
no.
...". you didnt even understand the fact that capitalist feudal economy is the problem here from the above post, and you are talking like a witless right wing nationalist. cant waste time with you, no offense. wikipedia is your friend.
economic problem IS the problem. economy means basically ALL of the activities in life. if, most of the activity is taken away by others through a hierarchy of ownerships, and you are put into an underling situation, the populace loses the will to participate in it.
this was the case in the later stages of roman empire. opposite was the case in earlier stages. this was the case throughout middle ages. opposite was the case towards high middle ages.
forget it. i just noticed that you have said "Instead of focusing on debt, we could be talking about how to improve 3D printers so we don't have to use China's cheap labor
that is exactly what happened, and what has been discussed in slashdot, fool. just the godless whore phrase was not used.