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Microsoft Puts the Kibosh On Kinect Sex Game Plans
theodp writes "Microsoft's Kinect has been out for less than two months and already there's an adult company looking to produce a 3-D sex game for the Xbox 360 console. But Microsoft immediately shot down any speculation that the game will pass the certification process. 'This isn't the first example of a technology being used in ways not intended by its manufacturer, and it won't be the last,' a Microsoft spokesman said in a statement. 'Microsoft did not authorize or license its technology for this use. Xbox is a family friendly games and entertainment console and does not allow Adults Only content to be certified for use on its platform, and would not condone this type of game for Kinect.'"
Fuck you, Microsoft. ;-)
Xbox is a family friendly games and entertainment console
Well how do they think people get families? Duh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bk7AMY_ocU&has_verified=1
Make the game for PC/Mac/Linux.. the Kinect just plugs right in.
How we know is more important than what we know.
Has really taken on new meaning these days
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They're avoiding the inevitable "if you want to use porn, buy an Xbox - otherwise buy our product" criticism various nitwits will invariably level at them.
I think they're being a bit premature.
But no tittys for you!
Dayum humans are messed up.
My idea for an automatic "PANIC SOMEONE ELSE IS IN THE ROOM" feature for adult entertainment failsafes...
I could argue sex *is* family friendly :)
Am I missing something or does the ESRB rating of M and AO not apply to adults?
Yes, the M rating is 17+, and "adults" are 18+. I am just going with a "close enough" attitude for this argument.
Examples of AO games:
Manhunt 2
GTA: San Andreas
Ok, the others listed on ESRB's website, not so much.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/11/29/
Should companies really have a say on how their products are used after sale? If I buy a car, it's my damn car. Why should they be able to stop me from using my console in any way I like, and why should they be able to stop developers from making products for the platform?
I don't have any objection to Microsoft refusing to certify whatever software they don't want to certify, for whatever reason they choose. If "not certified" means "won't run on Xbox", then perhaps the market will exist for alternatives, such as the Kinect-to-Linux setup already mentioned. (Or maybe not; porn seems to be aimed at the least common denominator, as evidenced by the fact that it's mostly crap.)
But it's somewhat ridiculous to say that the reason for denying such apps is that the Xbox is "a family friendly games and entertainment console". By that standard, any number of violent games should be excluded, from Bioshock to Stubbs the Zombie. Sure, "Family Friendly" is a fuzzy, undefinable term -- heck, you could make the argument that Portal would make little children sad (oh, how I miss the Companion Cube).
Reject the app because it's explicitly sexual. Or because it's poorly written, which is equally likely. But don't rack in Christmas sales of Call of Duty while saying the Xbox is "family friendly".
[insert obligatory Microsoft-is-evil throwaway line here]
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you just know that there must be someting in the License of their products that states: "No one can screw our costumer, but us!"
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you should read :
"and would not condom this type of game for Kinect"
Not so much the not making a sex game, after all just because it is based on sex doesn't mean the game would be any good at all, but the "We won't certify AO games." Screw you. I get rather tired of ratings systems working so that the highest rating is effectively a ban. You see this all the time. When was the last time you saw an AO game? How about an NC-17 movie?
The thing is I'm not even after sexual titles, I'm just after something that perhaps has more adult content, and that can include violence or disturbing topics, than allowed by an M/R rating. However because companies like MS and Walmart (Walmart won't sell AO/NC-17 titles) get all prudish about it, we can't have that.
Also the amount of sexual content that push something to that limit is stupidly small. For example: Ever see American Pie? How about the unrated version? If you have seen the original, but not the unrated version, and some time has passed, I encourage you to get and watch the unrated version. Then when you are done, see if you can even tell what the difference was. It is extremely minor, only a few scenes with minor alterations. What's the deal then? Well the "unrated" version was the original cut, as the director wanted. However the MPAA said they'd have to hang an NC-17 on it, which means no theater would play it. So the director made the cuts they wanted to get an R rating. It was then released unrated (remember ratings are 100% voluntary) on DVD later. However were it rated, it'd get an NC-17 and thus nobody would carry it.
It annoys me greatly. I don't mind content ratings, I can appreciate how they are a useful guide for parents, particularly since with $50-60 videogames "Just buy it and play it first," isn't a viable plan. However I get tired of them being used as effective censorship. Just rate the games and sell them dammit, let the market decide.
So does Ford. I can't make and sell a Mustang unless Ford says I can use that name and their parts. But I can buy a fucking Mustang and do what I like with it and resell it. I can also make shit to add onto the Mustang without Ford having right to say what is what. Somehow just because a device now incorporates electronics to provide the core sum of its functionality that right is taken away? Bullshit. It's like Ford being able to sue someone because they used an F150 to flee a ban robbery, or refuse to sell and Aztek to a teen because they might have sex in the back seat.
I wish people would not use vacuous euphemisms like "family friendly" when they really mean "free of explicit sexual content". The "family" label is so silly in my eyes, since without sex, there would be no children and thus no families. If Microsoft wants to restrict the subject matter of their games, I'd like them to at least be up front about the type of control and censorship they are exercising. And personally? I think it's rather hypocritical given the ubiquity of violence used in video games. My personal opinion is generally that "sex is good, violence is bad", so if I were going to target one or the other, I would cut out the explicit violence before I started any sort of censorship of explicit sexual content. Make love, not war!
Sex sells(ask AOL) and is a great motivator of technology(e.g. internet, 900-numbers).
Microsoft won't put much effort into stopping it... lip service at best.
The gaming industry wants us to believe how adult and mature they are now but you'll never see an AO game because everything has to be based around the assumption that not too many parents will get upset over their kid playing it and unfortunately violence is much more acceptable for children than sex or plain old nudity.
They'll strongly defend their right produce violent games claiming adults eat that shit up but it's because it's easier to for get the story and entertain kids just by giving them ability to shoot up or chop up people / animals.
How many times do we have to explain this to people? Sniping, hand-to-hand, rocket launchers, rail guns, grenades, claymores and even nuclear attacks are ALL "good family oriented fun" and of course Grand Theft Auto is just good clean fun. But sex? NO! That's just dirty and no one ever does that.
It's hard to argue with the "Holier than thou" attitude we're seeing a lot these days. There will be no-one within Microsoft who can stand up and say "Enough!" as the retort will be, "So you don't believe in protecting the children then?" (or "You are supporting the terrorists then", or "Supporting transparent government is helping getting our boys killed", or any other position that no reasonable person would take - yet not a direct or certain consequence of opting for real freedom). This is how most social/political groups get more and more radical over time (expect this trend to accelerate with Microsoft now a precedent has been set). The "nanny corporation" makes out (lol) as if having fun during sex is taboo. Since when did technologists adopt the old puritannical position (lol) of "Oh no, you only do it for procreation"? (in a married relationship, in the bedroom only, in the authorized missionary position, in the front-door only [lurlz] etc etc).
Sure, having smut in front of young children is not desirable, but c'mon, have you seen a music video lately (probably not if think a Zune would be cool for your sounds)? Also, Microsoft have no problem with their devices being used to represent (in increasingly high definition) people being dismembered, gutted, run over, shot, bombed, zapped, crushed, stabbed, exploded, etc. etc. on their console but can't stand to have people have natural human relations while also messing around with an XBox. "Just think of the shareholders" is a ridiculous excuse for being so heavy handed to their development partners and clients.
What gets put on an XBox should be at the discretion of the owners and the marketplace supplying those owners, provided all relevant laws are adhered to. Both adults and parents can manage that with enough the need of a nanny state or nanny corporation just as they already can manage what is on their DVD player or computer (and if they can't, they can purchase from a large range of software to sort it out for them). Microsoft are as big dickheads as Apple (for all you haters out there slamming Apple as if they were the only ones).
Simple solution. Don't reward Microsoft by buying or giving an XBox. Corporates only listen to money, and they notice trends, so do your duty.
I don't understand why people would buy closed computing products where you can't run whatever you want to run on them.
I buy the hardware. After that, I should be able to run whatever software I can buy that runs on it.
Who buys these things? They need to get off my lawn.
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So heads exploding = good, while other heads exploding = bad.
I believe the company is creating a game that runs on a PC, not the XBox. Using openkinect, the kinect can be attached to a PC, so no XBox is needed. I also don't know if Microsoft has any say in what someone uses the kinects for.
..."Microsoft Puts the Kielbasa On Kinect Sex Game Plans".
In fairness, the events depicted in this family-unfriendly game are pretty unlikely to be the type that actually result in families. Recreational sex and procreation are not the same thing.
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'This isn't the first example of a technology being used in ways not intended by its manufacturer, and it won't be the last,' a Microsoft spokesman said in a statement.
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Damn, just imagine if Sony did the same. I mean, like half the games for PS2 are japan-only adult titles.
MS can not stop the development of this game since it is not, nor has it ever been, made for the 360. The game is made for the PC using the open Kinect drivers available everywhere on the web.
Guns gore and blood = family friendly games and entertainment
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Gears of War gameplay
^ How is chainsawing someone's face off family freindly. Just as bad imo.
I've always found the American psychology odd...
Look : Sure, blow people's brains out and be congratulated (headshot), throw grenades, reduce cities and their citizens to corpses... but god forbid any sex in a game.
Lesson blowing someones head off = Good, acceptable to discuss about in public ... Sex/boobies = Evil?
Americans, again, have a weird cultural psychology.
Xbox is a family friendly games and entertainment console
sure, check out the titles below. in the good ol' USA violence IS family friendly.
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas--"... mission includes murder, theft, and destruction on every imaginable level. Player recovers his health by visiting prostitutes then recovers funds by beating them to death and taking their money. Player can wreak as much havoc as he likes without progressing through the game's storyline."
God of War--"Player becomes a ruthless warrior, seeking revenge against the gods who tricked him into murdering his own family. Prisoners are burned alive and player can use 'finishing moves' to kill opponents, like tearing a victim in half."
NARC--"Player can choose between two narcotics agents attempting to take a dangerous drug off the streets and shut down the KRAK cartel while being subject to temptations including drugs and money. To enhance abilities, player takes drugs including pot, Quaaludes, ecstasy, LSD, and 'Liquid Soul'--which provides the ability to kick enemies' heads off."
and more!
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/gta4/news.html?sid=6140463
Well, its not XKCD but since its about gaming in think Penny-Arcade has more authority on the subject....
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/11/29
...for the PC, not the Xbox. I was pretty certain that was incredibly clear...did they announce something I'm unaware of?
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... then maybe you should not do them in the first place?
I actually looked at the messages up the thread. Nobody was proposing to show hardcore porn to children. The first to even mention it is you. Heck, neither the one you were answering to nor the OP even mentioned hardcore porn, they mentioned titties. And again, nobody was proposing to show even those to children.
Then here you build one more strawman ("It seems a small step to go from the nonsense argument that sex is harmless to children": nobody had made that argument) to base another fallacy on, namely the slippery slope.
I can't even begin to comprehend what kind of confusion of mind even got you the idea that children have _anything_ to do with it. Never mind that nobody you were answering to had even mentioned kids, but whatever delusions gave you the idea that that's even remotely a possibility? I'm sure you know that the average gamer age is in the thirties by now, and there are even gaming grandmas by now. Adults playing console games and spending their money on games that weren't ever intended for kids is an issue as old as the first Playstation, unless you've been under a rock the last 16 years straight. Yeah, that's since 1994.
Really, if you don't like bullshit strawmen, don't do them. Yes, I get it, you just had to do your canned scare quotes and self-righteous moral outrage. You can wait until someone actually makes those arguments and serve your canned moral outrage to those.
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Somebody needs to tell Microsoft where families come from....
The more fucking the more families the bigger the market.
No, indeed, there is no difference. Children shouldn't be exposed to explicit sex or violence. So why are Microsoft OK with violent games that only adults should play, but not OK with sex-based games that only adults should play?
I think even the scenario of your kids getting your game is one scare that's blown out of proportion. It's letting them sneak the canard right back in that consoles are for kids, only this time in the form of necessarily having a kid around in some form or another. I wouldn't give them even that as a given.
The fact is, the average age for marriage in the USA has risen lately to 27 years old. Very likely more than that if you exclude the Amish. While they do breed more often and earlier, you don't really have to worry about those having XBoxes and Kinect. And averages are averages. There are people not touching marriage with a ten foot pole until the thirties or fourties or indeed never.
The child bearing age has risen too, year after year. To the extent that we can seriously start worrying more about genetic diseases for that factor alone. There are a lot of people who only have children in the thirties or fourties or indeed fifties. Again the Amish are screwing up the statistics a bit for the USA, but they don't have XBoxes. I suspect that if you looked at the rest of the people, you'd get something more similar to England and Wales (a somewhat similarly urbanized and industrialized country) where the average childbearing age is 29.4 years old. And it was already 28.4 a decade ago and climbed slowly but steadily ever since, so we're not looking at an isolated 2010 spike. And again, averages are averages. The gauss curve goes waay to the right of 29.4.
The fact is, there are plenty of legitimate buyers who _don't_ have children anywhere near their home. There are plenty of XBoxes around where really there is no child with access to it at all.
(Except maybe if some child commits breaking and entering to start playing with a stranger's console, in which case he has bigger problems than accidentally finding someone's porn game. I mean, it's pretty much the Arson, Murder and Jaywalking trope at that point.)
So, yeah, it's nice of MS to make their console mandatorily friendly to a lot of people's non-existing children. I eagerly await their also adjusting their ratings to protect the feelings of imaginary friends, imaginary pets and the Tooth Fairy.
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That difference depends entirely on you.
The fact is, you can't get away from sexual crap even if you only watch the Disney Channel. It's the fact that you think sex is inherently harmful to children proves that you already have the wrong idea engrained in your psyche. Let's draw another analogy that is closer to the truth of the matter:
Knives and Fire. They are not inherently bad. They are, however, bad if not handled properly. You can get cut, burned or even die if not properly respected. Sex is VERY similar in those respects.
So instead of teaching children (little girls and little boys) that sex is bad, dirty and they shouldn't do it (because the conflicting messages will exist and screw up their brains no matter how hard you try) teach them what and who it is for and what bad things can happen if they aren't careful. And most importantly, lead by example!!
It's really not that hard. Sex is *private." Good. We understand that easily enough -- we don't poop and pee in public too often. Sex is fun. There's no denying that -- it's such a natural need that no one needs to be told and telling people that their natural needs are "wrong" just screws up people's minds. Sex comes with risks and can result in a screwed up life!!! Teach children the TRUTH and lead by good example and it will work!!!
DON'T tell kids to eat properly while you don't and are an obese slob.
DON'T tell kids not to smoke while you remain addicted.
DON'T tell kids sex is bad while you are still doing it and that sex is what brought them into existence.
You are the reason kids are so screwed up and grow up into screwed up adults. And your parents and surrounding society is the reason you are screwed up. Break the cycle here and now.
Ok, seriously, mod this fucker up.
All the people arguing semantics and it will all be irrelevant.
...
Occasionally people have recreational sex with their wives or husbands. Most mental health professionals would tell you that it's pretty much required for a healthy marriage.
There will be a copy cat version soon - called Sinetic.
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I'll raise my children how I wish, and there's really nothing on that topic that a self-righteous preachy hipster like you can teach me.
Microsoft knows what it needs to do to keep profitable and competitive in the face of rising family game competition. ...or it can tap into that famously lucrative sex-oriented game market. Yeah, that's the ticket...
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There is absolutely a difference. The MPAA knows it, Comic Book publishers know it, Young Adult fiction publishers know it, Apple knows it, Microsoft knows it, and parents know it.
You'll know it too, someday, perhaps when you're older.
To clarify: ...
- you are free to get a development kit and create any game you want with it.
- you may even be free to distribute said game in a limited context, but without a MS certificate it will only be playable on development and modded systems.
- If said game was developed with the official MS SDK, the license of that software may expressly prohibit you from distributing products without obtaining a seperate license. The legality of those EULAs are always questionable, but if the game was developed using reverse-engineered tools and libraries (ala Wii homebrew) there are no such restrictions.
- No mainstream retailer will distribute any title rated AO. That's not to say all stores would be opposed
- this is the way game consoles have been (in some form or another) for as long as the industry has existed, and will remain this way until, at a minimum, a time when there is no distinction between PC and game console.
So in other words, the effective legality of selling AO games on any game console comes down to the legality of modding a system to allow homebrew content. It's been ruled that this is legal for phones, but the case for game consoles is less clear (as previously discussed on /.).
Disclaimer: IANAL
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The difference you see is purely religious cultural.
There's nothing I can say that will change your mind and I'll accept that. Back when I thought like you, no one could have told me anything either. (BTW, I'm so not a hipster. You really should look at my history here before you start making presumptions.) But one day, I hope, you will begin to see bits of reality and start making connections that you refused to see before.
Your job, as a parent is to teach your children how to be good adults. It is a bad assumption to believe that your job is to teach your children to be good children. To believe so is to ignore the reality that they will be adults one day. So tell them lies about the world they live in. Tell them lies about their own feelings and urges as they grow and develop. All you are doing is preventing them from learning about the world before the world teaches them the hard way.
I guess that means all the age 18+ games are going to be recalled.
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Why don't you try explaining it to me?
Murder / Prostitutes / Robbery etc:
http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Theft-Auto-IV-Xbox-360/dp/B000FRU1UM
Headshots / General killing / Machine guns etc:
http://www.amazon.com/Call-Duty-Black-Ops-Xbox-360/dp/B003JVKHEQ/ref=pd_ts_vg_?ie=UTF8&s=videogames
Assassination / Poisoning:
http://www.amazon.com/Assassins-Creed-Brotherhood-Xbox-360/dp/B003L8HQ7S/ref=pd_ts_vg_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames
Steroid use:
http://www.amazon.com/Madden-NFL-11-Xbox-360/dp/B002I0JB6E/ref=pd_ts_vg_4?ie=UTF8&s=videogames
Witchcraft:
http://www.amazon.com/Harry-Potter-Deathly-Hallows-Xbox-360/dp/B003R3JNN2/ref=pd_ts_vg_50?ie=UTF8&s=videogames\
Stealing the souls of people for power or some shit:
http://www.amazon.com/Bioshock-2-Xbox-360/dp/B0016BVYA2/ref=pd_ts_vg_54?ie=UTF8&s=videogames
all family friendly... but sex? Hell no! That's not for kids! We won't allow it! Now lets kills some prostitutes for fun! Just don't have sex with them.
Just to expand on my last comment a bit: I genuinely don't know what claim you're making. So sex and violence are different, OK. Are you saying it's OK to play a violent video game with a 10 year old, but not to play a sex-related game? Or that, although both are bad, the sex-related game would have more harmful effects than the violent one? Are you saying, further, that the sex-related game's harm is so much worse that the measures we use to keep violent video games out of the hands of kids are not sufficient when applied to sex-related games?
I wonder what this forum would have said if Microsoft had said, "Sure, why not?"
There is a more than normal amount of anti-Microsoft bias here although there are
some voices of reason as well.
I personally do not mind if there was a guaranteed (read child proof and idiotic parent proof)
mechanism of restricting a sex game to adults only. Not all parents are careful. I don't think
that the child should be exposed to obscenity in his/her impressionable years just because
the parents aren't careful.
If sex, of the kind shown in pornos and the intended game, was how society behaved out in the open
(as in observable by kids), then it would be a norm in the society and in such a society games like
these would be acceptable in a medium like game console.
Also, extending the sex game restriction argument to any other area (where do they stop? blah, blah) is a stretch.
Clearly you did not attend my high school.
Console vendors think they have a total right to control what you execute on them. If Microsoft ever tried to suggest it would limit 3rd party games or other apps on a Windows PC there would be a congressional investigation.
What about mature games? aren't they aimed mainly at adults? or is it cause its 17+ that's its ok? I guess we can kill people but we can't have sex....
Want to show a pair of breasts? Not cool.
Actually, in Leisure Suit Larry MCL for the original X-box, you could unlock fully nude models (both photographed and CG-modelled) of the female characters in the game. It was very Playboy-esque though; There was no penetration or close-up shots of lady parts. Also, you wouldn't buy the game just for the nudes. You had to play for a very long time before you got to see any of that stuff.
According to Wikipedia, the game was released in 2004 with an M/AO rating. By contrast, the latest edition (I haven't played this one) for the X-box 360 was released in 2009 with a M/17+ rating, so I'm guessing that the unlockable nudes are out. It's hard to say whether or not this indicates a policy-reversal by Microsoft (or others), but I suspect that the reason this game was permitted on the console to begin with is because it was more about tounge-in-cheek bathroom humor than pure sexual arousal. Likewise, I'm sure that a game depicting graphic torture for a purely sadistic appeal would be banned as well. The decision to restrict a game like this clearly has a lot more to do with context, quality and intended audience than the subject matter taken by itself.
You know what would be funny? If Nintendo now approves one for the even more family friendly Wii lol. And let me just throw this out there, Nintendo = Japanese.
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So what actually happens if Microsoft won't certify a game? Will it literally not run on their console cuz they need some sort of final key or to be added to some index somewhere or what? Because if they simply won't let them use the Xbox name on the cover but someone can still make a functional game on a disc for an Xbox, SOMEONE WILL! So anyone know what this actually means?
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Here's a good litmus test for the "family friendly" moniker: Just ask yourself if its a game you could play while your parents/kids/relatives are sitting in the same room. If the game is a first-person shooter, the answer is probably "yes". If it's a game that involves fondling a virtual stripper with one hand while masturbating with the other, then the answer is probably "no". See the difference?
Teach your children to be good corpses, because it's undeniable that that's what they'll be some day.
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Hello.
I am a mincing prancing sissy homo and I like to jam my meat pipe up the butt holes of droopy pants home boys.
I give great reach arounds, and even make PBJ's afterwards.
Any home boys wanting to hook up for some frisky, fun fudge packing, just let me know here, and we'll figure out how to get together...
So instead of teaching children (little girls and little boys) that sex is bad, dirty and they shouldn't do it (because the conflicting messages will exist and screw up their brains no matter how hard you try) teach them what and who it is for and what bad things can happen if they aren't careful. And most importantly, lead by example!!
My parents tried to lead by example once ... I never ate at the dining room table again after that.
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Good evening.
I am a lisping limp wristed faggot, and I would care to receive a hand job, a foot job, and a "butt plug surprise."
I would gladly dress up as a droopy pantsed home boy and take it up the butt ranch in exchange for these delightful favors.
Perhaps you could suggest an mutually convenient site where we can exchange information.
Also I have an idea how we could jailbreak an XBox and turn our vile sodomitical acts into an lucrative XXX rated game...
Remember, any red-blooded American lusts after guns, not girls. You shoot women in the face with a magnum, not cum. And fondling boobies is something only pinko's and commies do. That is why there are so many of them. They just keep having sex! Degenerates. But the US will hold strong with a rigid fear of sex and the highest teenage pregnancy rate of any developed/civilized country... oh my god, did I just call Americans civilized? I feel so dirty.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
How is it family friendly if the adults in the family can't use it to satisfy some of their needs/urges?
Don't they just mean kid-friendly?
Also does this mean that any porn-capable object is not family friendly? My Windows laptop? My Windows phone? Bananas? Cute little bunnies? The neighbors?
How do this hurt Microsoft? Because parents regularly play some sort of "guilt by association" game with them? "Oh, there's a porn game out for this console -- well I refuse to buy little Timmy a PORN CONSOLE!!!" Are we that stupid as a species? Or is it because Microsoft want to preserve an untainted image because Internet Explorer has all these times not been a PORN BROWSER where we can get to porn sites, and which is helping daily to fund the porn indus... Oh wait.
Or is it kind of like this: "OK, we're adults here. And we don't think other adults should be allowed to use this console how they want. That's not why we built this thing. We want content that children can play, and we refuse to license stuff that can be used after their bedtime. Why? Well, we have absolute no fucking clue why this is so ridiculously important, but we have to play by society's rules."
In any case, something is stupid here. We can't get away from the fact that we're stupid. Private companies parenting children. Jeez.
I'm not whining just because this is Microsoft. Most of what I've said above can be applied to Apple and iOS too.
This is so ingrained in society that typing a sentence like this: "Let's just pretend that those 13+ kids don't want to cum, and won't find ways to cum anyway" makes me feel dirty and like a horrible pedophile. Despite myself being exactly like that in that approximate age. And all friends I have talked about this with. I'm going off on a tangent here, but that doesn't help our kids either. Better make sex not be something dirty and forbidden. It'll help against child pregnancies because we take out the drama.
Sex isn't supposed to be dangerous and dramatic. Quite the opposite.
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This isn't the first example of a technology being used in ways not intended by its manufacturer,
Absolutely. The oscilloscope was not intended to be used as a moving picture display either. Nor were integrated circuits intended as toys.
and it won't be the last,
Let's hope so. Hacking is fun. Developers, developers.
Microsoft did not authorize or license its technology for this use.
Is this about hacking the Kinect for use on systems other than XBox?
Xbox is a family friendly games and entertainment console
Well, it is easy to use.
and does not allow Adults Only content to be certified for use on its platform, and would not condone this type of game for Kinect.
The XBox itself might not, but Microsoft sure does.
There are lots of "Ages 18+" titles for XBox.
They are just pissed about the Kinect being used for PC games, apparently.
That is the only sense I can make from this statement.
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whats the difference between console and a home computer? for console, the manufacturer keeps leash on published sw. with a home computer you can publish to other home computers without anyone holding the keys. difference between c64 and nes? that's about it.
besides though.. there's a shitload of games that are not for minors on sale for xbox360. violence == ok, sex == not ok.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
I Quote "Xbox is a family friendly games and entertainment console and does not allow Adults Only content to be certified for use on its platform" Ok, if that is your stance, explain how the following titles passed the cert process: Just Cause 2 GTA MW2 Scarface Mafia The list goes on... I let my 6 year old daughter play GTA because it is 'Family Friendly' Well looks like Microsoft has gone the way of the bad 'ol apple... you can only develop and use media WE deem appropriate. Killing, stealing, drug use and firearms are far better for human kind than copulation, as the latter leads to MORE humankind...
There is absolutely a difference. The MPAA knows it, Comic Book publishers know it, Young Adult fiction publishers know it, Apple knows it, Microsoft knows it, and parents know it.
You'll know it too, someday, perhaps when you're older.
The difference is that our entire culture is so saturated with violent media that we don't hesitate to graphically dismember an innocent bystander in front of a 10-year-old.
Do you even REMEMBER the first violent movie you saw? I was a little sheltered as a kid, and as a result I was just into my teens before I had any exposure either to porn or gratuitous violence. I found my first experience of a genuinely violent movie (Terminator 2) really quite disturbing, and it took me a long time to get used to that. I found my first experience of porn to be interesting (I was a 12 year old boy, I was *already* obsessed with sex) but it didn't leave me feeling sick to the stomach.
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then how the hell does MS explain REZ on the 360? you can use any controller not used by a player as a "trance vibrator", if it had seen physical distribution (it is XBLA only), chances are it would have come with its own USB trance vibrator, complete with "washable pouch" like the PS2 version did.
not that i mind though, to each his own i say, and if that happens to be a game where you get to thrust in mid-air while the game console renders some anime chick in front of you, fine... it doesnt bother me (just as long as the neighbours close the curtains when they play :P guitar hero is bad enough)
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Children shouldn't be exposed to explicit sex or violence.
Here's where I disagree. It doesn't harm them to be exposed to either. I think it's best to just leave them alone and be a parent by educating them as needed.
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This is what we have seen in the console world, and with the PC gaming selection as well. The perception by game developers seems to be that only games sold to teenagers are selling well, and as a result, more mature content is more difficult to find. Mature does NOT mean breasts everywhere in games, or women running around in the game showing a lot of "skin". It is just that, mature subject matter that can be done in an artistic way where there CAN be nudity and sex, but more as a proper background to the story.
Now, look at some of the more popular shows that have come out over the years on HBO and Showtime. You find nudity, but only in the context of how it falls into the life of the characters, and it generally is kept as just one part of the life of the characters. The Sopranos for example had strip clubs and such, but you didn't see a lot of nudity outside of scenes that took place in a strip club. In other shows, you might have the occasional "mature" scene, but it does not dominate the entire show for content. This is what is lacking in games today, the lack of APPROPRIATE nudity and sex to flesh out the life of the main character that makes the game more appropriate for older players.
At the same time, adult-only content should not be seen as a bad thing if adults are the ones with the content.
On the flip side to this discussion on "mature" content, I want to know why all these people complaining about content in games are not calling for better monitoring of the children, since there are so many stories about sex parties and such by 13-year-olds that it is obvious the parents are not paying attention to what their kids are doing these days.
You aren't forced to buy and/or play sex games in front of your children if Microsoft would sell them. I also wouldn't glorify guns in front of a 10 year old. As you said "I'll raise my children how I wish" why should microsoft decide for you?
Either way if you are together don't you do have something better to do instead of playing in front of the kid? Play a card-game, play legos with her and try to wake her interest in natural sciences?
You can get cut, burned or even die if not properly respected. Sex is VERY similar in those respects.
WHY WASN'T I TOLD THIS.
Adults want things that they enjoy, and by not providing it, Microsoft loses out on a lot of potential revenue. There is a huge difference between having some sex, nudity, or violence in games and having a game be based on it. The problem with games today is that game developers are aiming at teenagers, where ONLY sex, or violence focused games seem to be made, or sports or kids games are being made. Think about that for a moment.
Now, look at the movie industry. You have some movies for kids, you have some big action/adventure movies, some horror movies, and then you have dramas, comedies, and then you move into the more "mature" movies. Notice how there is a market for movies that have sex or violence as only a fairly small part of what goes on during the movie. Now, notice that the games industry has decided to cut out most of those types, and focus only on content more suitable for teenagers. There is room for adult-only content in the game world in the same way that there is room for kids games.
Microsoft is not the company that is saying what THEY want to invest in or not, this is Microsoft saying they don't approve of a game made by an independent company that is not getting ANY money from Microsoft. Microsoft should NOT emulate Apple by saying what is or is not appropriate content.
who'd want to play a game that only lasts 30 seconds?
Microsoft had to pull the plug on the X-Box Kinect Chuck Norris Fighting Game, after no beta-testers survived.
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Xbox is a family friendly games and entertainment console and does not allow Adults Only content to be certified for use on its platform
Some "Family-Friendly" games currently available for the Xbox include Postal, Manhunt and Prototype.
That is all.
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...a company thinks it has any chance whatsoever of controlling what consumers do with things that they bought and now own.
I'm pretty certain that Edison, had he been aware of plans to produce pornographic moving picture shows, would have stated that there would never be such movies produced on HIS technology. So it's only a matter of weeks before Kinect porn makes it to market somehow.
Maybe it is like the proposed label "family chocolate" for stuff that is cocoa flavoured margerine, i.e has too much vegetable fats and does not have enough cocoa content to be called "chocolate" in the European Union.
sex game for the Xbox 360 console ... Xbox is a family friendly games and entertainment console
But isn't that how couples become families? That should be the ultimate in "family friendly."
"Puts the Kibosh On Kinect Sex Game Plans"
/. users really have to go to THAT far when submitting stuff to slashdot ? huh ? 'kibosh' ..
really ? KIBOSH ? 'putting the kibosh' ?
i know there is an overboard tendency in american news media to invent metaphors from their ass, but do
what's next ? 'slapping the sergeant' ? 'feeding the pigeons' ? 'have a word with the junior' ?
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Xbox is a family friendly games and entertainment console and does not allow Adults Only content to be certified for use on its platform
Really, is that why Dante's Inferno is available for the 360? If that much violence and nudity is "family friendly" and "not Adults Only content" then what are they thinking?!
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when you're trying to discourage games that encourage the making of families. It's more monk friendly.
One sometimes results in the other, but that doesn't make them the same thing.
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I'll just go back to playing with my Wii.
That's okay, you have every right to be a crap parent. Perhaps you can pass on your professed inability to learn to your children?
somewhere in a haxxor pc channel, free speech, free choice = not the freedom to beat down someone at will, like that guy somewhere at the top said : fuck you , microsoft :p this motion game shit will happen and you provided the tool, might as well cash in on it , even if you do it hollywood style and found some sub-co something something, your morals are outdated but reading this will give your marketing clones that void stare and hard-on again i suppose
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People generally 'learn' that by doing it, sex tends to be a bit more dangerous in that regard.
So it's ok to kill someone violently, but to possibly love someone and give them pleasure is taboo...
Isn't that effectively what a game rated 18 (UK rating) is?
I thought it was a pretty clear question:
Why would you buy a product where you have no control over what software you are allowed to run on it? It mystifies me.
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I wish people would not use vacuous euphemisms like "family friendly" when they really mean "free of explicit sexual content".
I wish people wouldn't euphemisms, period. It ain't a "pointy shovel", dammit, it's a fucking SPADE.
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