this is what happens when you implement an extreme layer of security that can totally take over a computer, but DONT trust the computer's owners, users enough to give all power over it to them, and allow for privileged access to outside sources - be it microsoft's update servers, be it certified tech support etc.
it is only a matter of time for any malicious third party to figure out your elaborate access scheme and get control of people's computers. because if you can do it, others can do it too.
I'll give you the first point, but you call inspiration "bullshit" because it doesn't produce results. What about enjoyment of life? People with no goals and dreams are unhappy.
we are not talking about random bored danish trying to get enjoyment and goals for his life. these people are pushing olympics as some break for 3rd world people. the fact is, those people are more concerned with survival than enjoyment and goals. their goal is survival.
It doesn't matter whether or not "I want to be like Page" resulted in another Page. What matters is how it made the "inspired" feel. When you get down to it, sports accomplish no real societal goal other than entertainment/happiness (a few do gain physical fitness that complements their mental fitness to achieve "real results").
third world needs bread. you cant eat inspiration.
I think your worldview is depressing, but you may think mine is pointless.
there are times you need to be brutally realist, there are times you need to be romantic. this issue is for brutal realism. this olympics thing is little different than a drug for the masses at this point, like football.
you are already aware that olympics does not mean much for the 3rd world. but you are still refusing to see that this affects everything, everyone at our modern times. only scandinavian countries are enjoying the level of wealth and accompanying security and freedom to enjoy something like olympics. even in u.s., japan, people are working like crazy or studying like crazy to get a good job to work like crazy. times are rough. the last thing we need is reinvocation of 19th century nationalism and being drugged by it through something like olympics or football.
And I assume you donate no time nor money to charity work or political movements? Because giving $50 to one of those foundations for helping poor children is worthless since there are so many children and you're only helping one?
your logic is increasingly becoming faulty. we are not talking about 1 million people donating $50 each. we are talking about 1 in a million people being able to get $50.
Regardless of that, you sidestepped my point: Brin, Page, etc., actually do inspire others and give them hope or something to aspire to. They do. You'd have to have your head stuck in the sand not to realize this.
the oldest bullshit that is fed to people. yea they 'inspired' people to stuff. and what happened ? how many brins did that inspiration produce ? huh ? as said, its a drug, and a gamble.
Right there you said that no one sees an olympian village member and derives benefit or hope. I presented evidence that you were wrong.
you still dont get it. 10/15.000.000 approximates zero. it is NONE.
And then you go on to cite Brin, Page, Jobs, etc., as if that helps your argument. In fact, I think it provides the sword to defeat your argument.
refer to above. there's brin, gates, jobs. and there are hundreds of millions of entrepreneurs trying to do the same thing. there are still gates, brin and jobs. not 100s of them. just 4-5.
you STILL dont get it. what did i tell you ? its as high a chance as getting a lottery win. just like there are people who were just ordinary people from the public and made it out big - like larry page, sergei brin, steve jobs. how many larry pages, brins, jobs you know ? DESPITE that you are a member of the i.t. community ? huh ? check out what you are saying:
Three seconds in Google [nytimes.com]. It is an interview with an Olympian from Ethiopia who said that her victories at the Olympics are directly responsible for more gender equality in her village.
in HER village. in HER VILLAGE. do you know how many villages are there in ethiopia ? do you know how many people are living on the brink of hunger in ethiopia ? you can substitute ethiopia with any 3rd world country. are you able to realize that it doesnt mean anything now ?
Though I agree with you the olympics aren't as interesting, your reasoning is misguided. I guess you missed all the fun of the 20th century when the olympics meant a lot in terms of global politics. The Olympics provided a major Cold War "battleground." Without the feeling of "us" vs "them" it's not quite as interesting.
they werent interesting even then. hormon overloaded soviet bloc teams versus west. now those times are also gone, there is nothing left.
Though one area of Olympic competition that might interest you is the technology behind training and equipment. The human body can only go so far, but technical advances are contributing to that world record going from 9.125 to 9.124. Just look at the new Speedo swimsuit and how it's helping set multiple records.
artificial aid. makes it all the while less valuable. even if not, 0.001 sec, i really really dont care. i wouldnt care if it was 2 sec even.
those things meant when meaningful records were being broken in late 19 and early 20th centuries. now really noone cares if someone even gets the world height record with a helicopter to 10.236 meters from, say 9.354 meters. i really dont care, for one. the 'breakthrough' feeling is not there.
you still dont get it. apparently you actually believe the stupid vision that ads/public service pieces appearing on cnn and other tvs - "kumalalele was from my village. he was like me. but he grew up and went to olympics. i can do it one day myself too !" - bullcrap. the number of people in third world who knows an olympic athlete is as many as people who win lotteries. im in a developing country, but i dont know any athletes, leave aside olympic athletes. 'inspired me' - bullshit. when you check out that 1 out of 15 million becomes an olympic athlete, you can see that nothing will change. its only fooling people.
It may not make life any easier economically, but a poor eight-year-old seeing a (formerly) poor twenty-five-year-old from his local village winning gold and prize money generates hope and inspiration. Life becomes at least bearable. Many who have the internet have "transcended" pride in one's country, but that's not the same for those less fortunate than we./
*But* you still have the problem of getting the guys to sign up. Usually sign-up forms are embedded in articles, aren't they?
just find 1-2 hot geek girls and announce their participation beforehand. you'll get hordes of longhairs signing up that you wont know what to do with them all.
thats the kind of shit that i would be interested in watching !! running a straight line ? well i can do that myself, even if i cant do 100 m under 9 seconds. but untangling a mess ? now that is a watch for any time of day !
The fact that China is spending BILLIONS of dollars on the Olympics and that even some of the poorest countries send athletes to compete (and win) nullifies your arguments.
countries are doing pr work through olympics. it is a reminiscent of 19th century nationalism that noone cares about.
When a poor kid in Ethiopia sees an athlete from his village destroy his or her competitors from across the globe, don't you think that might be worth it?
it isnt. for first, he doesnt see it, he doesnt have the means to watch it, second, he will wake up to the same poverty as the last day. so it doesnt make a zit of a difference for him. and moreover, feeding those children with such stuff is just giving them a social drug - hey, you may be fighting with famine, but hey, your team has won - hurraaah everything is not so bad actually.
If you still don't think this is better than meetings on the internet or The Big Lebowski bowling tournaments, you have some serious social attachment issues and should consider removing yourself from society.
i still do. and not only that, but i think that people who think olympics has any noticeable amount of positive added value for our life in 21st century have more serious issues - like being clung in the mindset of 19th century.
wrong. ff has a big market share now, even nearing 20-30%. if ff pushes something like it, you can be sure that it will become a standard for the other browsers too.
when i asked why should i care. none of the arguments satisfied me. here, see some:
olympics is the great equalizer ! its a level socio economic playing field
total bullcrap. how many of you know any normal athletes, leave aside olympic athletes ? hell, how many of you even live near an area that any athletes train ? ill tell you - many of the world's 7 bn population are even not aware that something called olympics is being held as of now. they have much more pressing concerns. and even many of the rest better-off, they have more pressing concerns and stuff too. for nobody in a developing country, anything is going to change if some athlete associated with their country wins anything competing against others. they will wake up to the same conditions just like the day before. no developing country is either going to get loans, investment, or any kind of other significant breaks because some athlete won a medal.
hell, im in a developing country but nobody cares zit about olympics here, but ministry of sports.
it brings people together.
it did, only in times of ancient greece and late 19th century, when there was NOTHING else to bring nations, people together. now we are living in 21st century, with global world and internet, and we are basically LIVING together.
look at yourself now. which nationality are you ? im sure if we got to it, we could get around at least 150 different nationalities even in THIS thread. one of you may be living in mom's basement, one of you may be cio of a fortune 100 company, yet you are still here, talking to each other in EQUAL terms. no, in 21st century there are far more outreaching stuff than olympics to bring people together, and provides much more level playing fields. hell, kids from all around the world are growing up together playing the SAME online game in the SAME hours, using the SAME slang words and having the same jargon. no olympics can beat that.
you dont want to associate yourself with the 3rd world people
i am a 3rd world people and i dont give a damn about olympics.
its about peace
WHAT is about peace ? countries trying to OUTCOMPETE each other, instead of fighting against each other with warfare or economically ? are you aware that olympics has its roots in greece as a means to solve conflicts without loss of blood instead of fighting ? replacing one kind of competition instead of a more bloody competition is not exactly 'peace'. it becomes MORE peaceful COMPARED to the former, but yet, its still a form of bickering. "fantashmagoria team has won". its the same thing, even though some of you are not able to realize that it is another form of conflict.
and in the age of sports endorsements, grants, advertisement, sponsorships, big product deals, anyone who purports that olympics is about 'peace', deserves a kick in the face.
no, it means we shouldnt break other things while trying to protect them in one thing.
as said, sniffing unencrypted connections to get personal details bit by bit is much more easy and has less risk than trying to stage MITM attacks to get bank accounts.
with enough personal details, you can alleviate much of the security questions that you are gonna get asked while trying to get into someone's bank account. which means, you have a very high chance of getting that person's any future bank account. this is huge compared to losing one's access to a SINGLE bank account with a mitm.
if man's greatest achievements are going over a heightened stick with another stick, or running a distance ahead of others, or hell, even sweeping a ice floor to make a heavy object go some way, forget it.
What about countries where internet access is not available? Or countries where 'The Big Lebowski' has not yet been translated into the official language?
are you aware that maybe ~ 2billion people in third world countries are even UNAWARE that olympics are being done as of now ? and they have much more pressing matters at hand ? what makes you think they would care for people running ahead of each other, whilst they are in a state that they dont even have any internet around ?
Am I to assume that you feel it isn't worth associating with individuals from developing countries? If so, your debate is nullified by prejudice. Otherwise, your arguments only serve to highlight how important the Olympics actually are: the great equalizer. All humans can compete in competition of speed and strength.
i live in a developing country and dont give a shit about olympics. it has no meaning, and it wont make me feel any equal if my country's team wins anything. it doesnt affect my daily life even a single bit.
about china, or chinese nationalism, and nationalism of any other country. and im saying this not as a westerner, but as a non westerner.
sorry. but we cant take your shit. you are 100 years late to practice nationalism. we are living in a global world now, and we cant tolerate anyone's arrogance and nationalism.
you can only get respect, when you respect others. now go grow up.
So you don't think its cool to watch somebody that can not only do a back flip, but throw in a full twist in the middle of said back flip?
Now add in that they did this not on the ground, but on a balance beam only inches wide and they nailed the landing with narry a wobble?
Regardless of the politics surround this year's Olympics, you seriously can't see why anybody would enjoy watching a human being pull off amazing shit like that?
if i did, i would watch it on eurosport any day of the week as i please. and then other stuff.
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this is what happens when you implement an extreme layer of security that can totally take over a computer, but DONT trust the computer's owners, users enough to give all power over it to them, and allow for privileged access to outside sources - be it microsoft's update servers, be it certified tech support etc.
it is only a matter of time for any malicious third party to figure out your elaborate access scheme and get control of people's computers. because if you can do it, others can do it too.
give prizes to people to spread spam on your behalf !! now this guy has the makings of a good president.
I'll give you the first point, but you call inspiration "bullshit" because it doesn't produce results. What about enjoyment of life? People with no goals and dreams are unhappy.
we are not talking about random bored danish trying to get enjoyment and goals for his life. these people are pushing olympics as some break for 3rd world people. the fact is, those people are more concerned with survival than enjoyment and goals. their goal is survival.
It doesn't matter whether or not "I want to be like Page" resulted in another Page. What matters is how it made the "inspired" feel. When you get down to it, sports accomplish no real societal goal other than entertainment/happiness (a few do gain physical fitness that complements their mental fitness to achieve "real results").
third world needs bread. you cant eat inspiration.
I think your worldview is depressing, but you may think mine is pointless.
there are times you need to be brutally realist, there are times you need to be romantic. this issue is for brutal realism. this olympics thing is little different than a drug for the masses at this point, like football.
you are already aware that olympics does not mean much for the 3rd world. but you are still refusing to see that this affects everything, everyone at our modern times. only scandinavian countries are enjoying the level of wealth and accompanying security and freedom to enjoy something like olympics. even in u.s., japan, people are working like crazy or studying like crazy to get a good job to work like crazy. times are rough. the last thing we need is reinvocation of 19th century nationalism and being drugged by it through something like olympics or football.
you insensitive clod
And I assume you donate no time nor money to charity work or political movements? Because giving $50 to one of those foundations for helping poor children is worthless since there are so many children and you're only helping one?
your logic is increasingly becoming faulty. we are not talking about 1 million people donating $50 each. we are talking about 1 in a million people being able to get $50.
Regardless of that, you sidestepped my point: Brin, Page, etc., actually do inspire others and give them hope or something to aspire to. They do. You'd have to have your head stuck in the sand not to realize this.
the oldest bullshit that is fed to people. yea they 'inspired' people to stuff. and what happened ? how many brins did that inspiration produce ? huh ? as said, its a drug, and a gamble.
It is a good day to die !!!!!
Right there you said that no one sees an olympian village member and derives benefit or hope. I presented evidence that you were wrong.
you still dont get it. 10/15.000.000 approximates zero. it is NONE.
And then you go on to cite Brin, Page, Jobs, etc., as if that helps your argument. In fact, I think it provides the sword to defeat your argument.
refer to above. there's brin, gates, jobs. and there are hundreds of millions of entrepreneurs trying to do the same thing. there are still gates, brin and jobs. not 100s of them. just 4-5.
Three seconds in Google [nytimes.com]. It is an interview with an Olympian from Ethiopia who said that her victories at the Olympics are directly responsible for more gender equality in her village.
in HER village. in HER VILLAGE. do you know how many villages are there in ethiopia ? do you know how many people are living on the brink of hunger in ethiopia ? you can substitute ethiopia with any 3rd world country. are you able to realize that it doesnt mean anything now ?
Though I agree with you the olympics aren't as interesting, your reasoning is misguided. I guess you missed all the fun of the 20th century when the olympics meant a lot in terms of global politics. The Olympics provided a major Cold War "battleground." Without the feeling of "us" vs "them" it's not quite as interesting.
they werent interesting even then. hormon overloaded soviet bloc teams versus west. now those times are also gone, there is nothing left.
Though one area of Olympic competition that might interest you is the technology behind training and equipment. The human body can only go so far, but technical advances are contributing to that world record going from 9.125 to 9.124. Just look at the new Speedo swimsuit and how it's helping set multiple records.
artificial aid. makes it all the while less valuable. even if not, 0.001 sec, i really really dont care. i wouldnt care if it was 2 sec even.
those things meant when meaningful records were being broken in late 19 and early 20th centuries. now really noone cares if someone even gets the world height record with a helicopter to 10.236 meters from, say 9.354 meters. i really dont care, for one. the 'breakthrough' feeling is not there.
It may not make life any easier economically, but a poor eight-year-old seeing a (formerly) poor twenty-five-year-old from his local village winning gold and prize money generates hope and inspiration. Life becomes at least bearable. Many who have the internet have "transcended" pride in one's country, but that's not the same for those less fortunate than we./
IBM has been supporting the Open source community but has the community returned the favor?
did in latest oscon. what do you see ? rock solid commitment compared to empty pr. you know which of them pertains to which company ...
when someone runs it, we will say 'hey someone ran 100 m under 9 seconds'. and that will be it. thats what im talking about.
*But* you still have the problem of getting the guys to sign up. Usually sign-up forms are embedded in articles, aren't they?
just find 1-2 hot geek girls and announce their participation beforehand. you'll get hordes of longhairs signing up that you wont know what to do with them all.
thats the kind of shit that i would be interested in watching !! running a straight line ? well i can do that myself, even if i cant do 100 m under 9 seconds. but untangling a mess ? now that is a watch for any time of day !
firefox is not ie. other browser developers do not hold the same antipathy they hold for ie, for ff.
The fact that China is spending BILLIONS of dollars on the Olympics and that even some of the poorest countries send athletes to compete (and win) nullifies your arguments.
countries are doing pr work through olympics. it is a reminiscent of 19th century nationalism that noone cares about.
When a poor kid in Ethiopia sees an athlete from his village destroy his or her competitors from across the globe, don't you think that might be worth it?
it isnt. for first, he doesnt see it, he doesnt have the means to watch it, second, he will wake up to the same poverty as the last day. so it doesnt make a zit of a difference for him. and moreover, feeding those children with such stuff is just giving them a social drug - hey, you may be fighting with famine, but hey, your team has won - hurraaah everything is not so bad actually.
If you still don't think this is better than meetings on the internet or The Big Lebowski bowling tournaments, you have some serious social attachment issues and should consider removing yourself from society.
i still do. and not only that, but i think that people who think olympics has any noticeable amount of positive added value for our life in 21st century have more serious issues - like being clung in the mindset of 19th century.
wrong. ff has a big market share now, even nearing 20-30%. if ff pushes something like it, you can be sure that it will become a standard for the other browsers too.
olympics is the great equalizer ! its a level socio economic playing field
total bullcrap. how many of you know any normal athletes, leave aside olympic athletes ? hell, how many of you even live near an area that any athletes train ? ill tell you - many of the world's 7 bn population are even not aware that something called olympics is being held as of now. they have much more pressing concerns. and even many of the rest better-off, they have more pressing concerns and stuff too. for nobody in a developing country, anything is going to change if some athlete associated with their country wins anything competing against others. they will wake up to the same conditions just like the day before. no developing country is either going to get loans, investment, or any kind of other significant breaks because some athlete won a medal.
hell, im in a developing country but nobody cares zit about olympics here, but ministry of sports.
it brings people together.
it did, only in times of ancient greece and late 19th century, when there was NOTHING else to bring nations, people together. now we are living in 21st century, with global world and internet, and we are basically LIVING together.
look at yourself now. which nationality are you ? im sure if we got to it, we could get around at least 150 different nationalities even in THIS thread. one of you may be living in mom's basement, one of you may be cio of a fortune 100 company, yet you are still here, talking to each other in EQUAL terms. no, in 21st century there are far more outreaching stuff than olympics to bring people together, and provides much more level playing fields. hell, kids from all around the world are growing up together playing the SAME online game in the SAME hours, using the SAME slang words and having the same jargon. no olympics can beat that.
you dont want to associate yourself with the 3rd world people
i am a 3rd world people and i dont give a damn about olympics.
its about peace
WHAT is about peace ? countries trying to OUTCOMPETE each other, instead of fighting against each other with warfare or economically ? are you aware that olympics has its roots in greece as a means to solve conflicts without loss of blood instead of fighting ? replacing one kind of competition instead of a more bloody competition is not exactly 'peace'. it becomes MORE peaceful COMPARED to the former, but yet, its still a form of bickering. "fantashmagoria team has won". its the same thing, even though some of you are not able to realize that it is another form of conflict.
and in the age of sports endorsements, grants, advertisement, sponsorships, big product deals, anyone who purports that olympics is about 'peace', deserves a kick in the face.
so, am i right, or am i wrong ?
no, it means we shouldnt break other things while trying to protect them in one thing.
as said, sniffing unencrypted connections to get personal details bit by bit is much more easy and has less risk than trying to stage MITM attacks to get bank accounts.
with enough personal details, you can alleviate much of the security questions that you are gonna get asked while trying to get into someone's bank account. which means, you have a very high chance of getting that person's any future bank account. this is huge compared to losing one's access to a SINGLE bank account with a mitm.
What about countries where internet access is not available? Or countries where 'The Big Lebowski' has not yet been translated into the official language?
are you aware that maybe ~ 2billion people in third world countries are even UNAWARE that olympics are being done as of now ? and they have much more pressing matters at hand ? what makes you think they would care for people running ahead of each other, whilst they are in a state that they dont even have any internet around ?
Am I to assume that you feel it isn't worth associating with individuals from developing countries? If so, your debate is nullified by prejudice. Otherwise, your arguments only serve to highlight how important the Olympics actually are: the great equalizer. All humans can compete in competition of speed and strength.
i live in a developing country and dont give a shit about olympics. it has no meaning, and it wont make me feel any equal if my country's team wins anything. it doesnt affect my daily life even a single bit.
instead of stuff i could be doing first hand myself, i should be watching others 'excel' in their field. a very small life.
about china, or chinese nationalism, and nationalism of any other country. and im saying this not as a westerner, but as a non westerner.
sorry. but we cant take your shit. you are 100 years late to practice nationalism. we are living in a global world now, and we cant tolerate anyone's arrogance and nationalism.
you can only get respect, when you respect others. now go grow up.
Some combat sports are among the most cerebral activities you can do. They're 3d real time chess that hurts when you lose.
please.
So you don't think its cool to watch somebody that can not only do a back flip, but throw in a full twist in the middle of said back flip? Now add in that they did this not on the ground, but on a balance beam only inches wide and they nailed the landing with narry a wobble? Regardless of the politics surround this year's Olympics, you seriously can't see why anybody would enjoy watching a human being pull off amazing shit like that?
if i did, i would watch it on eurosport any day of the week as i please. and then other stuff.