you still dont get it. apple went into very hard times prior to ipod, and it still held itself out. due to what ? i cant think of any reason than zealot fanboys. one of them, who is a top paid designer in my country, is my friend, i know from his example. preaching like a zealot with little basis.
also you know that there are many companies which put out not only decent, but occasionally top notch products. yet, we do not see the hype that goes around iphone, for example, which is in your words not a perfect device, not an acceptable phone replacement for everyone, and it does a number of things better than any other phones out there - which is basically just another o.k. product.
but a global stampede has been going on about it for a long time now. why ?
you are comparing an entire outfit (Mac, hardware, software, tech support included) to an operating system, Windows.
your example and therefore point does not hold.
pc users get to choose their hardware (very often), if they dont choose their hardware they choose their os, if they dont choose their os they choose the programs they run. not only there are less programs for mac platform, thereby making it easier (hence major programs are not too varied compared to windows/linux pc) to run but also easier to provide support for. pc with win or linux has humongous number and variety of software, hardware used with them, and getting tech support is also harder in correlation. therefore, yes, pc/win/linux users ARE much more proficient with computers than apple users, because they HAVE to be.
if Mac had been that functional, effective as you apple users purport it to be, there would be many govt. agencies, small businesses, schools and whatnot using macs in abundance. yet wherever we see mac, they are being used in graphics design, and it has become so much of a tradition, to the point of zealotry especially with publishers, designers and so on. yet we see pcs with windows and linux everywhere, despite they are 'less user friendly' as you purport them to be. apparently these outfits are doing something right.
maybe it is the fact that the major software that is used with apple generally happens to be desktop publishing and design stuff, and they are software IN their own right, that require their own proficiency apart from the mac interface, and apparently the serious applications that pcs are used for obviously need more functionality than 'shuffling your mp3s', 'loading music to your ipod', 'arranging your photo album', or browsing the net.
im not even talking about i.t. world. apple doesnt have a place in anything related to web serving, datacenters, programming and whatnot.
I don't understand the insistence on this idea that Apple is all hype. You could've made a reasonable argument maybe back in 2002-2003 when the iPod was really starting to tear up the market. But now it's 2008 and the iPod is still the best selling music player by a mile. Fads don't last for seven years, especially not ones related to technology.
we dont say its all hype. we say its mostly hype. when it comes to ipod, you have to reckon that in a wide array of products, there will eventually be 1 or 2 actually competitive products every once in a while. still, success of ipod has been reinforced with the loyalty and zealotry of fans, this noone can deny. there had been similar products in the market, but none of them were as hyped as ipod or had a huge name doing pr campaigns.
I won't argue that Apple doesn't have very slick and effective marketing, but brand will only get you so far. People are fickle. Everyone's got an iPod now, it doesn't make you special or cool anymore. Yet they're still having no problem selling them.
well, from what i see around, their loyalty is commendable. even if a bit foolish at times. and again you are dwelling mainly on ipod.
Even with the iPhone it's become pretty clear that there's more to it than just "the cool factor". Why else would people be so excited about a new version that looks almost exactly the same as the old version, and costs less?
oh boy. there were very functional top end stuff sold on cellular scene for years now. at times, like the nokia communicator, some didnt have any meaningful competition to compete with them even, yet, they were not sold like iphone, or hyped that much. yet we see people lining for days or weeks to get an iphone.
you dont adopt a cat to get your ego pampered like you would get when adopting a dog.
you adopt a cat because you want some perpetual 5 year old naughty boy in the house doing absurd spontaneous stuff.
or, in the case of female cats, you adopt them to eventually end up having them as either an overprotective mom, an extremely jealous girlfriend, a very complex friend, or.... well, they are basically as complex as human females.
i want to participate in this discussion, cant mod. on the other hand, i dont have mod points as of now. however i can meta moderate. but that is totally irrelevant. my manner of speech should have given out the fact that im pretty whacked at the end of the workday right now. not that it was due to work - the whacking i mean. what was i talking about by the way ?
i live in turkey. we are living next to the mess that is iraq. i dont know what fox and other fucked up channels are feeding you there, but i can say that killings are as often as they used to be. just 2 days ago around 10 people were killed by someone, and every 1-2 weeks a roadside bomb or a car bomb explodes.
i cant believe how many of you americans havent quit believing those fucktard republican/conservative aligned shitholes that pose as news channels, like fox.
what i say is probably going to 'offend' some of you and eventually one of you will mod this down, not out of righteous decision, but out of hooligan-like party supporting. well you better get offended. its your dogged stubbornness to see whats going on is causing many countries and people to suffer, including yours.
AOL as one of the shittiest online services on the face of the planet (save only comcast), and microsoft as the biggest predator in i.t. world, together.
i have a 3870 that has a similar fan. these fans are very silent even running at 50% speed. its around 40 degrees celsius with 99% humidity where i live, and this fan can keep my 3870 around 50 degrees no load, 56-60 with load, using only 50% fan.
Or in the offline game arena, The Sims was launched as a mostly 2D game with 2D sprites (ok, it used primitive low-polycount 3D graphics for the characters), in an age of shiny 3D games. It outsold not only any of those shiny 3D FPS games from the same year, it outsold them all combined
sims's appeal is different. housewives, grandmas even play sims. same people dont play fpses.
this has gone long enough. i see that EVERY conservative/republican from u.s. i talk to, is been brainwashed to stupor by the endless bantering of their party ideology or other sources that want to totally screw anyone they can.
you had 20 years of republican administration with intermittent democrat term disruptions. that era of 'freedom for businesses' left your country in shambles, in total shit. SO bad that, you have even dragged world economy into crisis with the latest flop, the mortgage lending crisis.
and all that 20 years, european union have come to world stage as the leading economic and industrial power, ALL the while increasing regulations europewide.
as a result there has been no lending crisis in eu, no banking crisis (until u.s. related banks have went down under with us going under), no other major global-reaching flop of any sort.
it is absolutely stupefying how you can STILL chant the brainwasheds' song that goes like 'booooo regulations !!!', at the EXACT moment that your country is shattering world economy with the crisis it went into due to lack of regulation.
i see that your kind of people have brainwashed into being brainless zealot drones. sad for you, but sad for us too, since people like you are providing the powerbase for the flops like bush administration to come to power and ruin ENTIRE world economy.
i consider this discussion over. i wish that you can have the environment that any company can screw you over badly due to lack of regulations, so youll be happy. but may it not harm anyone else than you.
It's great to see ATI come back so strong. I honestly didn't expect it - it's keeping the entire market sharp. Good riddance to the +$1k prices of the 8800 ULTRA 1 year ago!
i didnt see that prices ever. 1 year ago i was using my radeon 1600 without any need for upgrade. i upgraded to 3870 for age of conan around 4 months or so ago, and at that time prices for 3870 was around $280. 8800 was around what, $500-600 or something. good thing i didnt see 1k prices.
oh pal, im one of the grumpiest 33 year old gamers you can find on the planet. ive been playing games since 1982, zx spectrum, and played it all, had it all, bored from them all. including all prominen rtses, turn based strategies, rpgs, and all prominent mmogs.
now i only play occasionally to have a change. and to be honest, that eye candy helps great deal with changing the mood into the game atmosphere.
the 'eye candy' in that 'the pointless eye candy first person shooter' term of yours becomes SO real that it boggles your mind. i dont like fpses. but then again, that kind of graphics, makes some fpses worth playing.
you will find yourself hard pressed to shove that card into your case, and you may end up having to modify the case to make it fit. and you also gotta worry whether the pci-e slot will carry the weight of the card or not.
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you still dont get it. apple went into very hard times prior to ipod, and it still held itself out. due to what ? i cant think of any reason than zealot fanboys. one of them, who is a top paid designer in my country, is my friend, i know from his example. preaching like a zealot with little basis.
also you know that there are many companies which put out not only decent, but occasionally top notch products. yet, we do not see the hype that goes around iphone, for example, which is in your words not a perfect device, not an acceptable phone replacement for everyone, and it does a number of things better than any other phones out there - which is basically just another o.k. product.
but a global stampede has been going on about it for a long time now. why ?
you are comparing an entire outfit (Mac, hardware, software, tech support included) to an operating system, Windows.
your example and therefore point does not hold.
pc users get to choose their hardware (very often), if they dont choose their hardware they choose their os, if they dont choose their os they choose the programs they run. not only there are less programs for mac platform, thereby making it easier (hence major programs are not too varied compared to windows/linux pc) to run but also easier to provide support for. pc with win or linux has humongous number and variety of software, hardware used with them, and getting tech support is also harder in correlation. therefore, yes, pc/win/linux users ARE much more proficient with computers than apple users, because they HAVE to be.
if Mac had been that functional, effective as you apple users purport it to be, there would be many govt. agencies, small businesses, schools and whatnot using macs in abundance. yet wherever we see mac, they are being used in graphics design, and it has become so much of a tradition, to the point of zealotry especially with publishers, designers and so on. yet we see pcs with windows and linux everywhere, despite they are 'less user friendly' as you purport them to be. apparently these outfits are doing something right.
maybe it is the fact that the major software that is used with apple generally happens to be desktop publishing and design stuff, and they are software IN their own right, that require their own proficiency apart from the mac interface, and apparently the serious applications that pcs are used for obviously need more functionality than 'shuffling your mp3s', 'loading music to your ipod', 'arranging your photo album', or browsing the net.
im not even talking about i.t. world. apple doesnt have a place in anything related to web serving, datacenters, programming and whatnot.
I don't understand the insistence on this idea that Apple is all hype. You could've made a reasonable argument maybe back in 2002-2003 when the iPod was really starting to tear up the market. But now it's 2008 and the iPod is still the best selling music player by a mile. Fads don't last for seven years, especially not ones related to technology.
we dont say its all hype. we say its mostly hype. when it comes to ipod, you have to reckon that in a wide array of products, there will eventually be 1 or 2 actually competitive products every once in a while. still, success of ipod has been reinforced with the loyalty and zealotry of fans, this noone can deny. there had been similar products in the market, but none of them were as hyped as ipod or had a huge name doing pr campaigns.
I won't argue that Apple doesn't have very slick and effective marketing, but brand will only get you so far. People are fickle. Everyone's got an iPod now, it doesn't make you special or cool anymore. Yet they're still having no problem selling them.
well, from what i see around, their loyalty is commendable. even if a bit foolish at times. and again you are dwelling mainly on ipod.
Even with the iPhone it's become pretty clear that there's more to it than just "the cool factor". Why else would people be so excited about a new version that looks almost exactly the same as the old version, and costs less?
oh boy. there were very functional top end stuff sold on cellular scene for years now. at times, like the nokia communicator, some didnt have any meaningful competition to compete with them even, yet, they were not sold like iphone, or hyped that much. yet we see people lining for days or weeks to get an iphone.
excuse me, i can only tie this to cool factor.
that was real funny...... NOT.
why the hell would anyone would want to listen to endless yapping and yelping of a goddamn pest anyway ?
saw someone ? bark bark bark bark.
heard something ? bark bark bark fart
a bird flew over ? bark bark bark
happy ? bark bark bark
kicked in the butt ? bark bark bark
shitted yourself ? bark bark fart bark
stupid ? bark bark bark bark
when i see a dog the word pest comes to my mind, instead of pet.
you dont adopt a cat to get your ego pampered like you would get when adopting a dog.
.... well, they are basically as complex as human females.
you adopt a cat because you want some perpetual 5 year old naughty boy in the house doing absurd spontaneous stuff.
or, in the case of female cats, you adopt them to eventually end up having them as either an overprotective mom, an extremely jealous girlfriend, a very complex friend, or
if you have a cat at your home, that means that you have an icanhascheeseburger at home.
its not the company or its product that is making them successful, its the fanboiness of their users.
apple is a brand just like benetton. flashy, trendy and extremely overpriced.
i want to participate in this discussion, cant mod. on the other hand, i dont have mod points as of now. however i can meta moderate. but that is totally irrelevant. my manner of speech should have given out the fact that im pretty whacked at the end of the workday right now. not that it was due to work - the whacking i mean. what was i talking about by the way ?
so, going up from 8.5% to 10% is considered magical, and changes something ?
apparently i didnt get the memo. my bad.
i live in turkey. we are living next to the mess that is iraq. i dont know what fox and other fucked up channels are feeding you there, but i can say that killings are as often as they used to be. just 2 days ago around 10 people were killed by someone, and every 1-2 weeks a roadside bomb or a car bomb explodes.
i cant believe how many of you americans havent quit believing those fucktard republican/conservative aligned shitholes that pose as news channels, like fox.
what i say is probably going to 'offend' some of you and eventually one of you will mod this down, not out of righteous decision, but out of hooligan-like party supporting. well you better get offended. its your dogged stubbornness to see whats going on is causing many countries and people to suffer, including yours.
Civilian casualties are an important measure, however they too are on a sharp decline.
someone just killed 4-10 people only yesterday. every 1 to 2 weeks an explosion or a car bomb or a roadside bomb.
Distribution cartels and studios you mean.
AOL as one of the shittiest online services on the face of the planet (save only comcast), and microsoft as the biggest predator in i.t. world, together.
god mercy on us.
We gotta enlighten cuban people about open source before microsoft infects that country !
start it with our warcry - "lululululululululululululululu !!!!!!"
no, seriously. we gotta do it. it might be rather late for us, but they may actually escape the vendor lock-ins.
still car bombs are exploding regularly in iraq. anything works if you just reduce the patrols and avoid casualties.
google 'psychological projection' and see whats funny.
ffs. im posting in this thread, cant use points.
i have a 3870 that has a similar fan. these fans are very silent even running at 50% speed. its around 40 degrees celsius with 99% humidity where i live, and this fan can keep my 3870 around 50 degrees no load, 56-60 with load, using only 50% fan.
mod them right when you spot one.
Or in the offline game arena, The Sims was launched as a mostly 2D game with 2D sprites (ok, it used primitive low-polycount 3D graphics for the characters), in an age of shiny 3D games. It outsold not only any of those shiny 3D FPS games from the same year, it outsold them all combined
sims's appeal is different. housewives, grandmas even play sims. same people dont play fpses.
this has gone long enough. i see that EVERY conservative/republican from u.s. i talk to, is been brainwashed to stupor by the endless bantering of their party ideology or other sources that want to totally screw anyone they can.
you had 20 years of republican administration with intermittent democrat term disruptions. that era of 'freedom for businesses' left your country in shambles, in total shit. SO bad that, you have even dragged world economy into crisis with the latest flop, the mortgage lending crisis.
and all that 20 years, european union have come to world stage as the leading economic and industrial power, ALL the while increasing regulations europewide.
as a result there has been no lending crisis in eu, no banking crisis (until u.s. related banks have went down under with us going under), no other major global-reaching flop of any sort.
it is absolutely stupefying how you can STILL chant the brainwasheds' song that goes like 'booooo regulations !!!', at the EXACT moment that your country is shattering world economy with the crisis it went into due to lack of regulation.
i see that your kind of people have brainwashed into being brainless zealot drones. sad for you, but sad for us too, since people like you are providing the powerbase for the flops like bush administration to come to power and ruin ENTIRE world economy.
i consider this discussion over. i wish that you can have the environment that any company can screw you over badly due to lack of regulations, so youll be happy. but may it not harm anyone else than you.
It's great to see ATI come back so strong. I honestly didn't expect it - it's keeping the entire market sharp. Good riddance to the +$1k prices of the 8800 ULTRA 1 year ago!
i didnt see that prices ever. 1 year ago i was using my radeon 1600 without any need for upgrade. i upgraded to 3870 for age of conan around 4 months or so ago, and at that time prices for 3870 was around $280. 8800 was around what, $500-600 or something. good thing i didnt see 1k prices.
oh pal, im one of the grumpiest 33 year old gamers you can find on the planet. ive been playing games since 1982, zx spectrum, and played it all, had it all, bored from them all. including all prominen rtses, turn based strategies, rpgs, and all prominent mmogs.
now i only play occasionally to have a change. and to be honest, that eye candy helps great deal with changing the mood into the game atmosphere.
the 'eye candy' in that 'the pointless eye candy first person shooter' term of yours becomes SO real that it boggles your mind. i dont like fpses. but then again, that kind of graphics, makes some fpses worth playing.
you will find yourself hard pressed to shove that card into your case, and you may end up having to modify the case to make it fit. and you also gotta worry whether the pci-e slot will carry the weight of the card or not.