Why not? I'd be curious to hear your reasoning. I'll say it again; people who deliberately make it difficult to understand what they say, on some level, don't want to be easily understood..
you seem to be just at the start of that 'sensing' road. you cant assess negativity by grammar, clothes etc or whatnot. in time youll see that negativity or positivity cant be reliably identified from such trivial manifestations, and see your identifications fail over and over until you realize that there are infinite set of circumstances any given person can be at that point in their lifetime leading to many different set of responses to many different set of causes.
How is that not selfish behavior? I make every effort to be clear in my statements, whereas I'm having to work rather hard to decipher your comments. Language background aside, you could quite easily be doing a better job.
energy wasted here on punctuation and beautification can be used elsewhere. its another lesson in wisdom. you are capable of understanding what i type, its unwise to spend any more effort than required for trivialities. at this point and time, capitalization is an utter triviality, contrary to your inclinations.
You can call my objections naive and inexperienced, but I think that's just an attempt to get away from the question by throwing insults, (which I will point out is in itself rather childish!)
when i call any of your observations or practices naive and inexperienced, i also give the reason for that. its not that im talking out of my butt, im talking out of experience.
You're playing into paradox again. Karma, whether you like it or not, is a function of reality.
you were on to grand deductions from trivial observations right ? let me present you another one - the lack of wisdom in your ways is also reflecting on your debate style. you cant throw in anything you cant back with sound and situation independent logic as someting. "karma, whether you like it or not.... definition here" doesnt hold an ounce of weight. its just an exercise in preaching.
Do some research on the spiritual side, (contact the spirit realm directly or interview those who have), and you will be able to construct an understanding of how things work, and it will inevitably include the concept of Karmic balance.
you are being over your head and patronizing again, another lacking in the ways of wisdom. you would never know who has done what and who is who.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is not there. I believe you've been trying to tell me the same thing with regard to how the 'rock-solid' deterministic world works. The difference is, the available research into the spiritual realm and quantum science in the physical, happen to agree with me in these two regards, whereas they do much to disprove your chosen view.
again another miss, a broad, sweeping argument without any logical backing, 'it agrees with my view'. doesnt hold an ounce of weight, only except to the believer.
In any case, as I've explained before, paradox is just a perceived stumbling block.
paradox is a reality for anything that is less than infinite in existence. only for infinity there are no paradoxes, and your current view of 'paradox is just a stumbling block' is just an over the head statement for something that is finite in existence.
Just because Karma dictates experiences, choice is still the over-riding factor. --Indeed, Karma is just a word to describe the balancing of negative versus positive experiences. That souls engage in these acts is based on their choice; they CHOOSE to come here to experience both sides of these various equations. --Like I said, people often find this concept very upsetting, but that doesn't make it go away.
'karma delivers, karma loves, karma is thus and karma and lo'. doesnt hold any weight as i said. you
this riaa charade is letting every potential student worldwide know what university in u.s. is quality, what is university is dipshit when it comes to tradition, heritage and morals.
clearly and plainly. imagine all your sensitive data, reports, charts, passwords to sensitive services, corporate info being handled by a border official. these republicans are really KILLING u.s. commerce and trade. fuck them.
I just checked your original postings, and I must confess, your grammar usage was indeed similar there as here, so it is certainly possible that it is simply the increased number of sentences you are using which makes it seem as though your ability to communicate has been decaying. My apologies. --There is, however, a link between clarity of mind and clarity of expression and I always point this out to people when they attack; it is a fascinating recurring pattern; a diminished ability to communicate nearly always accompanies faulty thinking and decaying argument. I would not play the 'grammar' card if I did not honestly think it were relevant.
its possible that your denial rate is increasing, as you are confronted with arguments that challenge your beliefs.
And speaking of which, is your shift key broken? (Don't worry, I will get back to the matter at hand, but this grammar stuff is actually relevant). --Clarity of mind and clarity of communication are linked; capitalization makes it easier for people to understand what you are writing, which suggests that those who do not use capitalization do not place importance on making themselves clearly understood, i.e., they are selfish communicators, and thus selfish thinkers.
it is a contrast in your manners that you advocate 'liberation of mind' from forms and existing constructs to the point of proposing to fix servitude by 'releasing your mind', yet come up and talk about capitalization, punctuation, and whatnot. i can establish many correlations between what you preach about 'releasing the mind' and what you say about punctuation and make references to hypocrisy or personal contradiction by them, but ill pass. i wont even comment on how utterly foolish, naive and inexperienced it is to try to establish a link between grammar, punctuation and capitalization and self serving personality.
--The whole point of our discussion is centered upon living boldly and outwardly versus retreating inwardly and fearfully. Those who are mostly aligned toward Service-To-Self on the available spectrum tend to be more lazy and less willing to spend energy on others. These people also generally wish that the world were served to them on a platter and pout and complain when it is not. Something to consider.
i see that you are just at the start of the road. youll see that many things are not as you expect them to be, and many things can be just as you would like them to be in an unexpected manner, and many of the current misconceptions you preserve about positivity and negativity fall down like leaves on the way. you shouldnt go on preaching people like you have traveled all the paths of wisdom because at any given time there might be someone who traveled them long before you. that is something to consider and something to learn foremost. and on living boldly and outwardly, slavery doesnt care whether you are bold and outward. sorry, it does, it prefers to break down your boldness. and if your boldness has not been able to break the chains of servitude, it is just stupid to try to be 'bold and fearless' inside while getting whipped and working in the field all day. its unwise.
The blacks, I have little doubt, were paying off karma while their masters were going into debt; Both sides had entered into that agreement on the spiritual side in order to accrue experiences which ultimately, over many life-times, teach about love, and leaving early would simply mean having to re-enter the equation on whatever side karma demanded.
another extreme naivete. you can justify ANYthing this way. with that level of deterministic belief you dont even need to preach any of the 'bold and fearless and break establishment rules and make your own rules' stuff. dont even try to change your or others' perception through your mental state or whatever. you just need to accept whatever comes your way, because it is a) either you are paying karma, b) or you are going into debt for learning some wonderful learning ex
leaving aside the fact that meat is a substance that tolls the digestive system when it is consumed, the current state of the 'meat industry' is too medieval compared to the state our civilization is in.
excuse me, but despite im a programmer myself, i dont remember society making a contract to software vendors guaranteeing a certain tribute was to be paid in the form of revenues. this is a free market world, and noone has to feed any industry. noone has to fill your coffers. if there are more viable alternatives, they choose them. and market spends the inflated $60 zillion or whatever resource that is not spent to fill your coffers for something else.
I dont want to have an "experience" with my os. i just want it to run the programs i want to have 'experience' with. so i dont care about what 'experience' vista is offering, since its not able to run what i need properly.
there are zillion posts preceding yours that explain how every RELEASE of a linux distro is a STABLE product that cannot be considered anything near the beta vista is. an yet new, UNRELEASED distro is something under development. and it will be a STABLE product that is well to use when its RELEASED.
... and even Microsoft showing some willingness to work with FOSS (though, take that with a grain of salt you'd need to set up an entire salt importing business to be able to take that.
I find it interesting that your use of grammar deteriorates as you fight to impress with these kinds of arguments. What does that suggest to you about how such ideas relate to the thinking process?
i dont find it interesting. im turkish and english is my second language. i myself have found it interesting to see you to use a 'grammar' card to make some kind of point (god knows to what extent), totally in lieu of what the subject is. what ? if my grammar was bad and i was an american or brit, would that make my arguments much less valid ? what does this irrelevancy you produced suggest to you about how such unsociable debating behaviour relate to the behavioural patterns of an individual ?
How can you be whipped or impaled if you are not available for such abuse? The world is very wide and people have legs and brains.
is this even an argument ? the world was very wide and people had legs in 19th century in america. how many slaves escaped slavery and made their way into an acceptable life ? whats the ratio of them to the generations that were born and died under slavery ? if you want to see how wide the world is, and what do your legs provide you, try dodging your gas bill this month. or evade taxes this year.
Social groups can alter the framework of acceptable behavior. The 'state of mind' I am talking about is that which allows one to see a full spectrum of possible paths and then to choose amongst them.
societal groups alter the framework of acceptable behaviour through violent rebellions if they are not let to alter it through peaceful means. and if they are repressed and rebellion fails, they dont alter the societally acceptable behaviour at all.
There is, however, a quality of reality which does react to one's beliefs; in it's most simple iteration, if you believe you are stuck, you will not try to move. So no, you can't make swords and whips vanish, but you can navigate around them, and you can alter the framework in which they are used.
we are not talking about people who believed 'they couldnt move' because they failed to try otherwise. we are talking about generations of people who were whipped and mowed down into slavery by their ruling elite. and there is no 'navigation' around this either, they raise the whip, they swing the whip, and it finds your back. hypothetically alter the framework of people being cut down with swords in a peasant rebellion then, to prove your point.
Bullies will not bully if there is sufficient social pressure not to, and this can be as simple as several strong-willed people gazing sternly at the bully. I have seen this effect in classrooms.
bullies will bully when they get the chance. if they cant find the opportunity in classroom, theyll do it somewhere else. additionally there are higher powers than them that prevent bullying. if teachers, education institution doesnt not care about that, like they werent caring 50 years ago, bullying would continue at full speed. therefore your example is out of context. its the establishment oppression that creates the problems, not things that establishment already opposes.
Wat Tyler and the rebellion had the whole enchilada; they even had entire divisions of soldiers who had turned and marched with them. It was a very popular revolt. They hanged corrupt officials and burned court houses and military stations as they marched South; they took the Tower of London and killed several key political figures. They literally held all the power. --Certainly there might have been resistance later on had they assumed control, but that's the nature of war. The point I was trying to make was that they didn't want to assume control of themselves. --They were not thinking about repercussions from hold-out principalities or future battle strategies. They wanted a king and they wanted that king to be Richard II. They just wanted him to rule so that the tax abuses would go away. That was the problem. They
I think it is a classic, (and I do mean CLASSIC) error to speak in such absolutes. --In believing that encountering a paradox means you cannot proceed. One of the major tests of our reality is in learning that paradox is just a state of mind; a barrier which can be bypassed with little effort. It's more a test of facing down fear.
its a classic error to fall in such fallacies as to make believe yourself into 'you got to make it' despite everything. there is nothing 'state of mind' about getting whipped or a sword in your butt. they are all to 'state of nature'. and they take effect regardless of you fear them or not. you can replace modern day equivalents of these circumstances. just name your pick.
There are always ways. Always paths between the systemic pillars. It is true, the Wat Tylers of the world generally lead to failure, but even Tyler made the error of not wanting to win sovereignty for himself and his followers, but instead wanting a king to rule over him, but just nicely. Thus, even after the king and all of London and the military were already basically toppled from power, the rebels instead of taking power, asked for changes and concessions from the existing authorities, and due to this, within a couple of days, lost all the ground they'd so quickly won, and wound up being hunted down and killed by the elites. Amazing and tragic.
its nothing tragic. what were tyler and the revolters to do ? they had london, they had maybe a few counties, but entire england was dotted with manorial estates, castles, mansions. they probably knew it was a matter of time the elite would muster enough resources and get back at them. just similar to any other revolt of the same kind.
No, the way is not through violent rebellion, I think, but through simply existing gracefully within the context available, and making changes in small ways which expand in butterfly-effect powers. This is how reality is truly shaped. In any case, ignorance is the real barrier. Anybody can find happiness and success if they understand these forces. It really works, and it can work for anybody. I've seen it in action, and use it as a general rule in my own life to great effect. Part of it lies in knowing that the people who make up authorities are just people. No law is absolute. No stature is anything but an agreement. There is always maneuvering room, and for those willing to recognize that laws are not chipped in stone, that they are not insurmountable walls, who are not constantly thinking up reasons to not act, can and do find success. But they don't teach these methods in schools; why would they?
let me give you a wake up call - if there hadnt been major violent revolutions, you would still be subservient to a local lord. 'butterfly effect' only exist in movies and quantum mechanics. social life does not have such 'butterfly effect's. the settled establishment always has millions of bumper fields to nullify any such butterflyish effect you or others put through. regardless of you understood that you could find solace in your small daily pleasures of life by eating a loaf of bread and drinking water in 12th century, you would still be a slave tied to land. the whip and oppression and servitude was not going to go away.
gandi and his followers would be gunned down if they did that passive resistance just 50 years earlier when ww1 havent happened yet and people of europe was fed up with the carnage that resulted and nationalism associated with it, and mass media was not present to cover their story. and noone would probably know. spinoza and others would not be able to lay the foundation of modern rationalism and humanism if dutch had not had rebelled to oppressive spanish rule and prevailed, just 80 years earlier. world would be a very, very different place if french revolutionaries did not act sharply and harshly about royalists, and royalists had found the opportunity to build up their resistance and win.
Yes, everybody would be dead. societal mind is not stupid. it would reinvent itself, just like it did after each and every major disturbance in history.
additionally, if some society is THAT crooked as to cause everyone to commit suicide due to its repressive ways and bad social contract and STILL not reevaluate itself, yes, that society needs to totally die out.
here are always going to be challenges in life; there are always going to be villains and always exploitative social contracts created by greedy and self-centered people, but we do not have to agree to follow those contracts. Real power and happiness comes to those who recognize this and find the courage to make their own rules. The Universe rewards such people by offering them endless opportunities towards this end, but to follow that path requires effort and bravery. It sounds like you are hoping that the rule-makers will simply make nicer rules and take better care of you. They won't. They'll offer us anti-depressants and religion and television; this is in fact what has happened. The answer is to stop following. You have to take responsibility for your own life. slavery is not challenge. and you DO have to follow those contracts. in middle ages it was the law of the land, you either submitted to a local baron or escape into a city and commit crimes for subsistence or die of starvation, in modern times you have to obey the social contract society forces upon you. if you cant make your own rules, just like many peasant revolts tried but eventually were repressed, its just folly and stupid to 'accept your lot in life' and endure slavery, repression or bad social contract because of some hopeful belief of future rewards. the biggest reward that universe offers to such people is the lesson that says its folly to live under repression and servitude.
It sounds like you are hoping that the rule-makers will simply make nicer rules and take better care of you. They won't. They'll offer us anti-depressants and religion and television; this is in fact what has happened. The answer is to stop following. You have to take responsibility for your own life. yes you have to take responsibility of your own life and then do what ? stop paying taxes ? go and try to apprehend some land somewhere and try to water it and farm ? what are you going to say when the property tax comes due ? how are you going to 'make your rules' when state planning authority comes and says they are going to do this and that with your land, or you cant use that source of water for irrigation ? huh ? start your own revolt ? and what are you going to do after it fails ?
Knowledge is the key; the middle ages were the middle ages because most people simply didn't know what other options were available. The same holds true today. those options were not available because the ruling classes made them unavailable. everyone knew what republic was, and it was in effect in venice too. yet, in florence, one of the cities that renaissance was born, a republican uprising was suppressed by medici family and the feudal rule continued in early 16th century. options being there does not mean that you will be let to choose those options.
Leaving the party in a snit rather than thinking and seeking and making life work properly is childish. Waiting for others to build a better world for you to live in is lazy and selfish. True joy comes from the act of creation which you cannot know if you wait for somebody else to create in your stead. yea. a party modern human civilization is. great metaphor. only if parties involved endless working and stress, millions of unnecessary but forced responsibilities, and a lot of risks, despite the technological level civilization is at.
how selfish is society forcing people to indentured servitude contracts, if waiting for others to revise their understanding and build a better world for everyone to live in is selfish ?
there is no creation, or true joy in servitude. its slavery. even if its renamed and revised for 20th century standards.
lets see. i cant spot anywhere where i justified forced migration of any people. neither am i able to see the fact that forced migration and genocide are same things. let me explain you how genocide happens - you take people into gas chambers saying that they are in fact disinfection showers, all the while playing classical music in the background, and then you gas them to death. or you shove bamboo sticks up women's vagina. like japanese did in china.
no. im no nationalist. i hate the concept of nationalism even. but im also someone that believes truth shall be told as it is. because history is my hobby.
the ottoman government at that time had the power to gun down each and every armenian in their houses. they didnt. they made them to go on a forced migration, because they were supporting armenian gangs which gangs were indiscriminately killing anyone who didnt help them, like the turkish, kurdish, and any other ethnic nationalistic gang at that period, after the centuries old tradition of anatolian highwayman heritage.
im not someone that hesitates from calling shit with its proper name. there are many genocides and brutalities in ottoman history. but that event is not one of them. if you want to talk about genocides ottomans did, go a few centuries back and youll see a plenty.
its directly tied to creative activities of the human psyche. same kind of link was there in between renaissance works and their creators. resulting creativity and sharing and inventiveness resulted in renaissance. you can see similar traits in tech, internet and i.t. sharing, free speech, opportunity, choices and all.
But if everybody in the middle ages had killed themselves, you wouldn't be here. And maybe that's your whole point. But if you fear life, then you will live in fear, and fear creates its own trajectory. You become what you give to life. if people killed themselves when exploitative social contracts were forced upon them, society would have to revise its contracts. everything would be totally different.
its not about 'fear'. its about freedom, and justice.
I'd estimate that approximately half of the human population is on the downward track, seeking oblivion because they find life to be just too much. They will find it, and I wasn't speaking to them. Only very rarely to souls do a 180. life is not hard. life is being MADE hard, so that people will be kept at bay.
as long as all the kurds occupying cities in the west go back to that kurdistan. but, what they say is they wont. they want to enjoy all the privileges modern turkey provides them AND have a kurdistan. go figure.
not exactly a genocide like the holocaust. actually a pathetically horrible lack of foresight by the nationalist party government back then, they just forced people to move without providing them any supplies. the horrible fact is, at that date (1915) noone, not even the turkish army which was fighting russians had any supplies to withstand the winter. (30.000 soldiers died in ne turkey around that date, out of cold). the ottoman sultanate government back then were rather devoid of the realities of the common folk. turkish, armenian, kurd, all of them lived in equally pathetic poverty. govt wasnt able to foresee what would happen if they did such a forced move.
they should force themselves to comply with MODERN standards of TWENTY FIRST CENTURY.
there is no way in hell that noone should ever be let to try justifying a BLATANT invasion without a cause like what chinese did in tibet in 1950. NO justification or cause whatsoever.
and screw their whatever knowledge and understanding about history they have - get a load of that. 'west is bringing violence to world' - budding chinese fascists, WEST was the place almost everything modern was invented and spread around, including YOUR FASCIST COMMUNIST IDEALS.
get a load of that. whole internet is being made to justify humanism to a bunch of brainwashed young bigots in china.
im turkish. even im aware of whats going on. and what im saying is that, screw them. they have to modernize themselves, not west.
That's a rather strange argument. Are you saying people in the middle ages would have been smart to kill themselves so as to avoid living in the middle ages? exactly.
whatever company hires you after college is going to take you as if you were a blank page and reeducate you according to their business needs. it never fails.
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Why not? I'd be curious to hear your reasoning. I'll say it again; people who deliberately make it difficult to understand what they say, on some level, don't want to be easily understood. .
you seem to be just at the start of that 'sensing' road. you cant assess negativity by grammar, clothes etc or whatnot. in time youll see that negativity or positivity cant be reliably identified from such trivial manifestations, and see your identifications fail over and over until you realize that there are infinite set of circumstances any given person can be at that point in their lifetime leading to many different set of responses to many different set of causes.
How is that not selfish behavior? I make every effort to be clear in my statements, whereas I'm having to work rather hard to decipher your comments. Language background aside, you could quite easily be doing a better job.
energy wasted here on punctuation and beautification can be used elsewhere. its another lesson in wisdom. you are capable of understanding what i type, its unwise to spend any more effort than required for trivialities. at this point and time, capitalization is an utter triviality, contrary to your inclinations.
You can call my objections naive and inexperienced, but I think that's just an attempt to get away from the question by throwing insults, (which I will point out is in itself rather childish!)
when i call any of your observations or practices naive and inexperienced, i also give the reason for that. its not that im talking out of my butt, im talking out of experience.
You're playing into paradox again. Karma, whether you like it or not, is a function of reality.
you were on to grand deductions from trivial observations right ? let me present you another one - the lack of wisdom in your ways is also reflecting on your debate style. you cant throw in anything you cant back with sound and situation independent logic as someting. "karma, whether you like it or not .... definition here" doesnt hold an ounce of weight. its just an exercise in preaching.
Do some research on the spiritual side, (contact the spirit realm directly or interview those who have), and you will be able to construct an understanding of how things work, and it will inevitably include the concept of Karmic balance.
you are being over your head and patronizing again, another lacking in the ways of wisdom. you would never know who has done what and who is who.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is not there. I believe you've been trying to tell me the same thing with regard to how the 'rock-solid' deterministic world works. The difference is, the available research into the spiritual realm and quantum science in the physical, happen to agree with me in these two regards, whereas they do much to disprove your chosen view.
again another miss, a broad, sweeping argument without any logical backing, 'it agrees with my view'. doesnt hold an ounce of weight, only except to the believer.
In any case, as I've explained before, paradox is just a perceived stumbling block.
paradox is a reality for anything that is less than infinite in existence. only for infinity there are no paradoxes, and your current view of 'paradox is just a stumbling block' is just an over the head statement for something that is finite in existence.
Just because Karma dictates experiences, choice is still the over-riding factor. --Indeed, Karma is just a word to describe the balancing of negative versus positive experiences. That souls engage in these acts is based on their choice; they CHOOSE to come here to experience both sides of these various equations. --Like I said, people often find this concept very upsetting, but that doesn't make it go away.
'karma delivers, karma loves, karma is thus and karma and lo'. doesnt hold any weight as i said. you
thats why international business community is preferring europe to do business with.
this riaa charade is letting every potential student worldwide know what university in u.s. is quality, what is university is dipshit when it comes to tradition, heritage and morals.
clearly and plainly. imagine all your sensitive data, reports, charts, passwords to sensitive services, corporate info being handled by a border official. these republicans are really KILLING u.s. commerce and trade. fuck them.
I just checked your original postings, and I must confess, your grammar usage was indeed similar there as here, so it is certainly possible that it is simply the increased number of sentences you are using which makes it seem as though your ability to communicate has been decaying. My apologies. --There is, however, a link between clarity of mind and clarity of expression and I always point this out to people when they attack; it is a fascinating recurring pattern; a diminished ability to communicate nearly always accompanies faulty thinking and decaying argument. I would not play the 'grammar' card if I did not honestly think it were relevant.
its possible that your denial rate is increasing, as you are confronted with arguments that challenge your beliefs.
And speaking of which, is your shift key broken? (Don't worry, I will get back to the matter at hand, but this grammar stuff is actually relevant). --Clarity of mind and clarity of communication are linked; capitalization makes it easier for people to understand what you are writing, which suggests that those who do not use capitalization do not place importance on making themselves clearly understood, i.e., they are selfish communicators, and thus selfish thinkers.
it is a contrast in your manners that you advocate 'liberation of mind' from forms and existing constructs to the point of proposing to fix servitude by 'releasing your mind', yet come up and talk about capitalization, punctuation, and whatnot. i can establish many correlations between what you preach about 'releasing the mind' and what you say about punctuation and make references to hypocrisy or personal contradiction by them, but ill pass. i wont even comment on how utterly foolish, naive and inexperienced it is to try to establish a link between grammar, punctuation and capitalization and self serving personality.
--The whole point of our discussion is centered upon living boldly and outwardly versus retreating inwardly and fearfully. Those who are mostly aligned toward Service-To-Self on the available spectrum tend to be more lazy and less willing to spend energy on others. These people also generally wish that the world were served to them on a platter and pout and complain when it is not. Something to consider.
i see that you are just at the start of the road. youll see that many things are not as you expect them to be, and many things can be just as you would like them to be in an unexpected manner, and many of the current misconceptions you preserve about positivity and negativity fall down like leaves on the way. you shouldnt go on preaching people like you have traveled all the paths of wisdom because at any given time there might be someone who traveled them long before you. that is something to consider and something to learn foremost. and on living boldly and outwardly, slavery doesnt care whether you are bold and outward. sorry, it does, it prefers to break down your boldness. and if your boldness has not been able to break the chains of servitude, it is just stupid to try to be 'bold and fearless' inside while getting whipped and working in the field all day. its unwise.
The blacks, I have little doubt, were paying off karma while their masters were going into debt; Both sides had entered into that agreement on the spiritual side in order to accrue experiences which ultimately, over many life-times, teach about love, and leaving early would simply mean having to re-enter the equation on whatever side karma demanded.
another extreme naivete. you can justify ANYthing this way. with that level of deterministic belief you dont even need to preach any of the 'bold and fearless and break establishment rules and make your own rules' stuff. dont even try to change your or others' perception through your mental state or whatever. you just need to accept whatever comes your way, because it is a) either you are paying karma, b) or you are going into debt for learning some wonderful learning ex
leaving aside the fact that meat is a substance that tolls the digestive system when it is consumed, the current state of the 'meat industry' is too medieval compared to the state our civilization is in.
excuse me, but despite im a programmer myself, i dont remember society making a contract to software vendors guaranteeing a certain tribute was to be paid in the form of revenues. this is a free market world, and noone has to feed any industry. noone has to fill your coffers. if there are more viable alternatives, they choose them. and market spends the inflated $60 zillion or whatever resource that is not spent to fill your coffers for something else.
"we have screwed so bad with overselling that we need to secure public funding or some dirty scheme to bail ourselves out asap"
I dont want to have an "experience" with my os. i just want it to run the programs i want to have 'experience' with. so i dont care about what 'experience' vista is offering, since its not able to run what i need properly.
ms fanboi action - apparently they couldnt stand lenghty articles that criticize vista in a sound fashion.
there are zillion posts preceding yours that explain how every RELEASE of a linux distro is a STABLE product that cannot be considered anything near the beta vista is. an yet new, UNRELEASED distro is something under development. and it will be a STABLE product that is well to use when its RELEASED.
Commercially bundled distros of linux are commercial products.
... and even Microsoft showing some willingness to work with FOSS (though, take that with a grain of salt you'd need to set up an entire salt importing business to be able to take that.I find it interesting that your use of grammar deteriorates as you fight to impress with these kinds of arguments. What does that suggest to you about how such ideas relate to the thinking process?
i dont find it interesting. im turkish and english is my second language. i myself have found it interesting to see you to use a 'grammar' card to make some kind of point (god knows to what extent), totally in lieu of what the subject is. what ? if my grammar was bad and i was an american or brit, would that make my arguments much less valid ? what does this irrelevancy you produced suggest to you about how such unsociable debating behaviour relate to the behavioural patterns of an individual ?
How can you be whipped or impaled if you are not available for such abuse? The world is very wide and people have legs and brains.
is this even an argument ? the world was very wide and people had legs in 19th century in america. how many slaves escaped slavery and made their way into an acceptable life ? whats the ratio of them to the generations that were born and died under slavery ? if you want to see how wide the world is, and what do your legs provide you, try dodging your gas bill this month. or evade taxes this year.
Social groups can alter the framework of acceptable behavior. The 'state of mind' I am talking about is that which allows one to see a full spectrum of possible paths and then to choose amongst them.
societal groups alter the framework of acceptable behaviour through violent rebellions if they are not let to alter it through peaceful means. and if they are repressed and rebellion fails, they dont alter the societally acceptable behaviour at all.
There is, however, a quality of reality which does react to one's beliefs; in it's most simple iteration, if you believe you are stuck, you will not try to move. So no, you can't make swords and whips vanish, but you can navigate around them, and you can alter the framework in which they are used.
we are not talking about people who believed 'they couldnt move' because they failed to try otherwise. we are talking about generations of people who were whipped and mowed down into slavery by their ruling elite. and there is no 'navigation' around this either, they raise the whip, they swing the whip, and it finds your back. hypothetically alter the framework of people being cut down with swords in a peasant rebellion then, to prove your point.
Bullies will not bully if there is sufficient social pressure not to, and this can be as simple as several strong-willed people gazing sternly at the bully. I have seen this effect in classrooms.
bullies will bully when they get the chance. if they cant find the opportunity in classroom, theyll do it somewhere else. additionally there are higher powers than them that prevent bullying. if teachers, education institution doesnt not care about that, like they werent caring 50 years ago, bullying would continue at full speed. therefore your example is out of context. its the establishment oppression that creates the problems, not things that establishment already opposes.
Wat Tyler and the rebellion had the whole enchilada; they even had entire divisions of soldiers who had turned and marched with them. It was a very popular revolt. They hanged corrupt officials and burned court houses and military stations as they marched South; they took the Tower of London and killed several key political figures. They literally held all the power. --Certainly there might have been resistance later on had they assumed control, but that's the nature of war. The point I was trying to make was that they didn't want to assume control of themselves. --They were not thinking about repercussions from hold-out principalities or future battle strategies. They wanted a king and they wanted that king to be Richard II. They just wanted him to rule so that the tax abuses would go away. That was the problem. They
I think it is a classic, (and I do mean CLASSIC) error to speak in such absolutes. --In believing that encountering a paradox means you cannot proceed. One of the major tests of our reality is in learning that paradox is just a state of mind; a barrier which can be bypassed with little effort. It's more a test of facing down fear.
its a classic error to fall in such fallacies as to make believe yourself into 'you got to make it' despite everything. there is nothing 'state of mind' about getting whipped or a sword in your butt. they are all to 'state of nature'. and they take effect regardless of you fear them or not. you can replace modern day equivalents of these circumstances. just name your pick.
There are always ways. Always paths between the systemic pillars. It is true, the Wat Tylers of the world generally lead to failure, but even Tyler made the error of not wanting to win sovereignty for himself and his followers, but instead wanting a king to rule over him, but just nicely. Thus, even after the king and all of London and the military were already basically toppled from power, the rebels instead of taking power, asked for changes and concessions from the existing authorities, and due to this, within a couple of days, lost all the ground they'd so quickly won, and wound up being hunted down and killed by the elites. Amazing and tragic.
its nothing tragic. what were tyler and the revolters to do ? they had london, they had maybe a few counties, but entire england was dotted with manorial estates, castles, mansions. they probably knew it was a matter of time the elite would muster enough resources and get back at them. just similar to any other revolt of the same kind.
No, the way is not through violent rebellion, I think, but through simply existing gracefully within the context available, and making changes in small ways which expand in butterfly-effect powers. This is how reality is truly shaped. In any case, ignorance is the real barrier. Anybody can find happiness and success if they understand these forces. It really works, and it can work for anybody. I've seen it in action, and use it as a general rule in my own life to great effect. Part of it lies in knowing that the people who make up authorities are just people. No law is absolute. No stature is anything but an agreement. There is always maneuvering room, and for those willing to recognize that laws are not chipped in stone, that they are not insurmountable walls, who are not constantly thinking up reasons to not act, can and do find success. But they don't teach these methods in schools; why would they?
let me give you a wake up call - if there hadnt been major violent revolutions, you would still be subservient to a local lord. 'butterfly effect' only exist in movies and quantum mechanics. social life does not have such 'butterfly effect's. the settled establishment always has millions of bumper fields to nullify any such butterflyish effect you or others put through. regardless of you understood that you could find solace in your small daily pleasures of life by eating a loaf of bread and drinking water in 12th century, you would still be a slave tied to land. the whip and oppression and servitude was not going to go away.
gandi and his followers would be gunned down if they did that passive resistance just 50 years earlier when ww1 havent happened yet and people of europe was fed up with the carnage that resulted and nationalism associated with it, and mass media was not present to cover their story. and noone would probably know. spinoza and others would not be able to lay the foundation of modern rationalism and humanism if dutch had not had rebelled to oppressive spanish rule and prevailed, just 80 years earlier. world would be a very, very different place if french revolutionaries did not act sharply and harshly about royalists, and royalists had found the opportunity to build up their resistance and win.
"state of mind" "will to power" "through
additionally, if some society is THAT crooked as to cause everyone to commit suicide due to its repressive ways and bad social contract and STILL not reevaluate itself, yes, that society needs to totally die out. here are always going to be challenges in life; there are always going to be villains and always exploitative social contracts created by greedy and self-centered people, but we do not have to agree to follow those contracts. Real power and happiness comes to those who recognize this and find the courage to make their own rules. The Universe rewards such people by offering them endless opportunities towards this end, but to follow that path requires effort and bravery. It sounds like you are hoping that the rule-makers will simply make nicer rules and take better care of you. They won't. They'll offer us anti-depressants and religion and television; this is in fact what has happened. The answer is to stop following. You have to take responsibility for your own life. slavery is not challenge. and you DO have to follow those contracts. in middle ages it was the law of the land, you either submitted to a local baron or escape into a city and commit crimes for subsistence or die of starvation, in modern times you have to obey the social contract society forces upon you. if you cant make your own rules, just like many peasant revolts tried but eventually were repressed, its just folly and stupid to 'accept your lot in life' and endure slavery, repression or bad social contract because of some hopeful belief of future rewards. the biggest reward that universe offers to such people is the lesson that says its folly to live under repression and servitude. It sounds like you are hoping that the rule-makers will simply make nicer rules and take better care of you. They won't. They'll offer us anti-depressants and religion and television; this is in fact what has happened. The answer is to stop following. You have to take responsibility for your own life. yes you have to take responsibility of your own life and then do what ? stop paying taxes ? go and try to apprehend some land somewhere and try to water it and farm ? what are you going to say when the property tax comes due ? how are you going to 'make your rules' when state planning authority comes and says they are going to do this and that with your land, or you cant use that source of water for irrigation ? huh ? start your own revolt ? and what are you going to do after it fails ? Knowledge is the key; the middle ages were the middle ages because most people simply didn't know what other options were available. The same holds true today. those options were not available because the ruling classes made them unavailable. everyone knew what republic was, and it was in effect in venice too. yet, in florence, one of the cities that renaissance was born, a republican uprising was suppressed by medici family and the feudal rule continued in early 16th century. options being there does not mean that you will be let to choose those options. Leaving the party in a snit rather than thinking and seeking and making life work properly is childish. Waiting for others to build a better world for you to live in is lazy and selfish. True joy comes from the act of creation which you cannot know if you wait for somebody else to create in your stead. yea. a party modern human civilization is. great metaphor. only if parties involved endless working and stress, millions of unnecessary but forced responsibilities, and a lot of risks, despite the technological level civilization is at.
how selfish is society forcing people to indentured servitude contracts, if waiting for others to revise their understanding and build a better world for everyone to live in is selfish ?
there is no creation, or true joy in servitude. its slavery. even if its renamed and revised for 20th century standards.
lets see. i cant spot anywhere where i justified forced migration of any people. neither am i able to see the fact that forced migration and genocide are same things. let me explain you how genocide happens - you take people into gas chambers saying that they are in fact disinfection showers, all the while playing classical music in the background, and then you gas them to death. or you shove bamboo sticks up women's vagina. like japanese did in china.
no. im no nationalist. i hate the concept of nationalism even. but im also someone that believes truth shall be told as it is. because history is my hobby.
the ottoman government at that time had the power to gun down each and every armenian in their houses. they didnt. they made them to go on a forced migration, because they were supporting armenian gangs which gangs were indiscriminately killing anyone who didnt help them, like the turkish, kurdish, and any other ethnic nationalistic gang at that period, after the centuries old tradition of anatolian highwayman heritage.
im not someone that hesitates from calling shit with its proper name. there are many genocides and brutalities in ottoman history. but that event is not one of them. if you want to talk about genocides ottomans did, go a few centuries back and youll see a plenty.
its directly tied to creative activities of the human psyche. same kind of link was there in between renaissance works and their creators. resulting creativity and sharing and inventiveness resulted in renaissance. you can see similar traits in tech, internet and i.t. sharing, free speech, opportunity, choices and all.
there is no difference between them. both bunches are brainwashed, bigoted foktards.
its not about 'fear'. its about freedom, and justice. I'd estimate that approximately half of the human population is on the downward track, seeking oblivion because they find life to be just too much. They will find it, and I wasn't speaking to them. Only very rarely to souls do a 180. life is not hard. life is being MADE hard, so that people will be kept at bay.
as long as all the kurds occupying cities in the west go back to that kurdistan. but, what they say is they wont. they want to enjoy all the privileges modern turkey provides them AND have a kurdistan. go figure.
not exactly a genocide like the holocaust. actually a pathetically horrible lack of foresight by the nationalist party government back then, they just forced people to move without providing them any supplies. the horrible fact is, at that date (1915) noone, not even the turkish army which was fighting russians had any supplies to withstand the winter. (30.000 soldiers died in ne turkey around that date, out of cold). the ottoman sultanate government back then were rather devoid of the realities of the common folk. turkish, armenian, kurd, all of them lived in equally pathetic poverty. govt wasnt able to foresee what would happen if they did such a forced move.
its something that can even happen today again.
wont go more fascist ?
screw them.
they should force themselves to comply with MODERN standards of TWENTY FIRST CENTURY.
there is no way in hell that noone should ever be let to try justifying a BLATANT invasion without a cause like what chinese did in tibet in 1950. NO justification or cause whatsoever.
and screw their whatever knowledge and understanding about history they have - get a load of that. 'west is bringing violence to world' - budding chinese fascists, WEST was the place almost everything modern was invented and spread around, including YOUR FASCIST COMMUNIST IDEALS.
get a load of that. whole internet is being made to justify humanism to a bunch of brainwashed young bigots in china.
im turkish. even im aware of whats going on. and what im saying is that, screw them. they have to modernize themselves, not west.
whatever company hires you after college is going to take you as if you were a blank page and reeducate you according to their business needs. it never fails.