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CNN Website Targeted by DoS
antifoidulus writes "CNN is reporting that they were the target of a Denial of Service attack yesterday. According to the article, there have been reports on Asian tech sites that Chinese hackers were targeting CNN for their coverage of the unrest in Tibet. One has to wonder if this hacking attempt was government sponsored or not. The Chinese government hasn't been very happy with CNN -- in fact, the Beijing Bureau Chief has been summoned about a day before this happened."
yeah , lets stir up more xenophobia
can we work the Iranians and terrorism into this story ?
Slashdot is working with the Chinese government to further the DOS attack on CNN by leveraging it's large and generally under-sexed user base!
If it wasn't government sponsored, then it was promulgated by some individual or group with substantial resources (a hitherto-unknown botnet, perhaps.) They need to be found out and put away for a few years. On the other hand, if it was sponsored by the Chinese leadership it means they're attempting to extend their brand of censorship worldwide. In which case, they also need to be put away for a few years.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
As the world turns against them, and their looming food and environmental disaster grows larger, time is running out for China. It's only a matter of time before they implode.
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
No, I don't, and nor does anybody else. Since when did an attack coming from a country mean the government was involved? How many domestic hacking attempts have there been against the government? Was the government hacking the government? Hardly. Given the public Chinese outcry against the West for the way we've treated the Tibet issue, isn't it quite possible, quite plausible, that a few people out of 1 321 851 888 candidates took it just a wee bit too far? Why on earth must the government be under suspicion before we even have a clue as to who did it?
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The funny thing is, China is one of the few countries in the world that truly has a great big firewall sat at the border of it's internet, so is one of the few countries that actually could do something about massive unexpected loads of outgoing traffic from it's internet.
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I'm not defending the great firewall of China, but I think it's worth pointing out that when the goverment has that kind of control over what does and doesn't go in and out if they wanted to they could easily do something to stop these kind of accusations surrounding large scale DoS attacks unless they're happy for them to continue in which case may the stories continue.
Of course there's always captured zombie machines outside the great firewall to do the trick, but certainly here in the UK many ISPs take note of which computers are sending out suspicious traffic, I've known a couple of people have their net access disabled by their ISP for throwing out known virus traffic at least. Most responsible ISPs worldwide could no doubt do exactly the same things.
The real question is could ISPs do this without introducing "feature" creep? My guess is, no, they'd quickly use the tools for blocking bad traffic for blocking things like BitTorrent, well, those few that don't already of course
It's a shame really that the tools are out there to prevent this kind of bad traffic, and yet the bad traffic is all to often allowed through and the tools are used to filter good traffic which is certainly the case with China. There's a question of what's good and bad traffic of course, but that's a debate for another day I think.
Are we sure this was an actual atack on CNN? Could it have been that they did something right for a change and more than 10 people tried to hit their site and the server just couldn't handle it?
So if a website is already suffering from a dDoS, we should then slashdot it.... That makes sense.
If it is a government sponsored attack, then it's really not very smart. It just serves to bring attention to the issue, not bury it.
Poking at big news bureaus like this doesn't make them back down. It makes them more resolute in their reporting and possibly (probably) more biased against your cause.
-S
--- What parts of "shall make no law", "shall not be infringed", and "shall not be violated" don't you understand?
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There are ways to mitigate the effects of a DoS attack. Knowing how US companies have exhibited incompetence in the past, I will not be surprised if it is the case this time round.
I thought CNN was using CDN and load balancing to deal with wanted / unwanted traffic spikes. This is just DoS and not DDoS (which is even hard to stop). Currently there is no information available about PPS (packets per second) and attack type such as floods (SYN / UDP flood) or logic or software attacks.
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Large ISP offers service called clean pipe technology to filter out junk. You can also use expensive DoS/DDoS mitigation deice. However, these devices works best if you have fat pipe. One can also try out commercial proxy service anti-DDoS service.
I'm no security expert but love to trace security related stuff
I'm not saying this DoS attack is justified. However, one cannot deny that many of the CNN reports were either falsified or out of context.
It sounds more like a hot war.
And I doubt the Chinese "hackers" were acting without government guidance.
I ask CNN not to look for a scapegoat on this issue ... Knowing how US companies have exhibited incompetence in the past, I will not be surprised if it is the case this time round
Right! Who needs a scapegoat? Obviously this is likely the fault of US companies. There's no point blaming someone when we can blame someone that it's more slashdot-friendly to blame. The man! Teh evil corporations!
For what it's worth, I spent most of my day yesterday in rent-a-brain mode mopping up after a web site defacement that was attempted from half a dozen Chinese IP addresses, succeeded from another one, and which was throwing JS-based redirects at browsers so they'd wind up on web sites hosted in China, where trojan-flavored malware was being served up. There's no way that a country with Draconian content sniffing and a country-wide firewall like China's doesn't know when operations like that are flourishing. FWIW, the demographics targeted in this case were mil/defense types, and the visible content on the redirected target was meant to momentarily confuse people expecting that the specific content they'd have been expecting. Year Of The Rat, indeed.
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One has to wonder if this hacking attempt was government sponsored or not.
You are a retard.
Based on what fucking evidence/facts did you come to conclusion that you could even remotely involve government?
Because you're a retard and prejudicial?
Let me guess, you base your opinion about other countries by watching/reading CNN, eh?
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CNN is down right now!
Where else am I going to get my celebrity gossip and insightful tech advice? Where else am I going to be able to read every article and never see anything of any substance whatsoever?
Damn, I guess I'd better go get a copy of USA today then....
Yes, that would be interesting to know. But one of the more insightful views I've heard recently in the China vs. Tibet matter, is that "after so many years of communist rule, it is hard for Chinese people to make a distinction between government, communist party, policy and country". As a result, criticism of Chinese actions concerning Tibet may be felt not as attacks on policy, but attacks on the Chinese people and country. Don't know if that is true, but I'd welcome readers from China to comment on that.
There is a big difference between saying "you are bad" and saying "you are doing something bad". I guess the real gain is that more people (including the Chinese) are talking about Tibet now, and maybe someday the Chinese *people* will realize that Tibetans just want the same thing as the Chinese: run their own affairs, be left alone, and live in peace with their neighbors.
In general I feel that whenever 'weapons' (DoS attacks, censorship, physical force) are used to end a discussion, it means that party has run out of reasonable arguments (and in a way, admits moral defeat).
in doing a DoS attack against a major site such as CNN? It will come back online very shortly again, and it'll generate even more media fuss, hello Streisand effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect The Chinese government has no incentive to support such actions. Risk vs. gain factor alone should be enough to dismiss such thoughts.
Here we go again,
At first, slashdot assumed automatically that the counterfeit DFI motherboards are from China while there are no indication in the source article. (Slashdot did update later on to clarify the post)
Now, slashdot does it again by assuming the Chinese (and maybe) their government is involved. I've read the CNN article before the story came up here in slashdot. In the original CNN story, they clearly stated that "We do not know who is responsible, nor can we confirm where it came from"
What ever happen to all the good old unbiased news?
Actually, the Chinese are communists.
We can rest assured that state sponsored hacking is going on. We're doing it. Google "AF Cyber Command" As to whether the Chinese government is involved, that will be difficult to ascertain with any confidence for several reasons (see Great Firewall posts above). Foremost, we didn't invent pausible deniability. The Chinese have perfected inscrutability across the centuries.
Invenio via vel creo
Disclaimer: I am no apologist for any party here, sorry for the length of this post.
.......Which is why regulations (within the PRC and other countries) can be so difficult and strong.
1 According to English Wikipedia's article "Mongolia", between 50% and 94% of Mongolians follow "Tibetan Buddhism" as their primary religion. Of course historically China is to Mongolia as the Boston Red Sox are to the New York Yankees. The relationship between Mongolia and Tibet seems to drive China's occupation of Tibet; I have yet to hear a pro-Tibet protester talk about it, it seems most germane.
2 Having had the opportunity to learn Chinese, I know that the underlying principle of The Great Firewall is to protect Chinese people from being taken advantage of by Westerners. It's a racialistic thing, it's like apartheid, so impossible to fix, Westerners can be unconscious of what they are doing in the context of other methods of thought, no matter how hard they try to be nice.
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To relativise this set of 3 statements:
American late night talk show host Jay Leno (on NBC) often pokes fun at British people with accusations of weakness; as a fan of European soccer and of rugby, I know this to be ridiculous; Brits must hear these Leno comments with a great deal of disbelief; I have a similar disbelief for people who don't understand why the PRC government does what it does. If one knows why something is happening, then one can go ahead and do something about it. If one doesn't know why , one may as well be a puppy chasing one's own tail.
I know well, people are sincere about (obviously pertinent) complaints about the government and one keeps looking for traces of literacy in all this illiterate reasoning.
Or is it "pre-literate" reasoning? idk
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http://bbs.sina.com.cn/zt/w/08/attackcnn/index.shtml The banner at the top says: "Rise up! Resist the demonization of the Tibet incident! Chinese netizens, open fire on CNN and other western media!"
Lived in Beijing for a few years now and it's scary how the government controls and spins information. They allow protests when convenient, recently Careforre (bigger than CNN issue) because of the torch relay demonstrations. So it would be interesting to see if these attackers also try to take down the Careforre website. Nationalism is borderline crazy around here lately...not sure if it's the government or individuals who launched the attack...but in China the government controls the people so it all boils down to one suspect.
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...that everyone automatically assumes that any allegedly "hostile action" coming out of China is being perpetrated by the government?
What about ordinary citizens?
I mean, come ON people! China was a superpower TWO THOUSAND YEARS before the Egyptians were building their pyramids! There's just a teeeeeny-tiny smidgen of National Pride, here folks. Not to mention that a full half of everything we have in our so-called 'modern world' came from Chinese inventions a few thousand years ago?
And here WE are, not even 400 years old, acting like we're all that.
Please. This isn't an attack by the Chinese government? This is a proper bitch-slapping by a bunch of kids in the Chinese equivalent of Kintergarten who got mad because we're dissing their national heritage.
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I suspect bad programming in the advertisements on CNN's website, and not hackers are afoot - I've noticed several pages reset my browser mysteriously.
Am I correct in assuming that you're saying slashdot users are normal visitors?
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``One has to wonder if this hacking attempt was government sponsored or not.''
There's probably no need. The thing that many people don't seem to realize that the information chinese people in China get and the information people outside China get are very different, and what the implications of this are. I've met a number of people from China, and, simply put, there is a world of difference between what is common knowledge here and what is common knowledge there.
Where many Americans see the chinese government as a repressive tyranny that needs to be overthrown to allow the chinese people to be free, the chinese see huge economic development and modernization. Where I've heard Europeans call the One Child Policy a crime against humanity, I've heard chinese people call it an unfortunate necessity, put in place for the good of the people. The Dalai Lama? How dare he criticize the chinese who have done so many good things for him! And you may not realize it, but the chinese government is actually doing a lot of good things for the environment.
Of course, the chinese government isn't perfect, and I think everybody will agree. But, knowing what a chinese person in China does, some of the things that foreign press agencies have been saying about China are completely outrageous. And when they are also critical of your country, some people will get angry. In a large country like China, that means a lot of angry people.
Remember the flame wars that were all over the net and the media when foreigners criticized the Bush government, its warlike policies, and their attempts to deceive the American people and the world? The same thing is now happening in China. The good thing about it all is that it raises awareness, in China, about issues that are important to the rest of the world. The bad thing about it is that it seems that the criticism is being turned into evidence of a worldwide conspiracy against China.
Of course, this is the wrong way to deal with criticism. The right response would be to find the cause of the criticism and only then decide on an appropriate action. Perhaps the critics have a point and the situation should be improved. Perhaps the critics are misguided and they should be corrected. Or perhaps their criticism is unfounded - in which case the appropriate response may be to ignore them or to criticize them in turn. Silencing critics is not, I think, an appropriate response.
One really interesting question is, though, how well informed are the critics? How sure are _you_ about the real situation over in China?
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
I live in Thailand end experienced the DoS. For a few hours it seemed like cnn.com simply didn't respond. Everything is back to normal now.
"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
China is a totalitarian corporatist administered state, much like the USA is a dogma corporatist administered state. What's the difference?
... now Plantation=Corporation, dry-goods store is now the corporatist loan-sharks, the flimflam man has become the insurance scam ... US is just the poor servants, following the will of god, and our white-collar masters.
..., but fuel prices, health care, and poor people (unless they fight our wars!) are the only real problems in the USA and Economy.
... and the daily/monthly/annual cradle to grave quality of life cost for a USA Citizen?
...) blames the grand-parents for the theft ... only a lack of reason and pure dumb dogma faith allows insanity to be acceptable to US.
... until we regain our reason, courage, and a self-provoked will to learn the truth, act for the best of all US, and to be the best of people for all humanity.
Well the answer is easy; The USA purges reason with dogma, and China purges reason with corpses. Either way you end up with compliant manageable and exploitable thoughtless masses. IOW: They both ain't free, but the USA is way more fun.
NOTE: The China government directs the DDoS, and the USA government teaches the Free-Press (if any is left in the USA) that there is no more Free-Press without dogma compliance to the Corporate States of America (CSA). The return of the 1860 CSA slave state
I suspect, proportionally, far less USA Citizens are literate today than 50 years ago. Most well-off USA Citizens delude themselves into believing that almost everyone (99%) in the USA can read as well as them, live in a close to reasonable house, have enough to eat
Has anyone compared the Federal Government bills daily/monthly/annual War$ to Edu$, Sci$, R+D$
What is the social security fund, infrastructure investments/rebuild, child health care, PO$ shortfall compared proportionally to WAR$ spent?
When thieves take the money/value from USA Parents that goes to improving the quality of life for their family/children, and then the thieves (politicians, plutocrats, clergy
We are a fallen people and will remain such, like the Chinese, Arabs, Persians, Mexicans, Africans
Institutions are not a Democracy of the People!
Corporate Welfare is not Ethical or Capitalism!
Unaccountable leaders are masters, and unrepresented people are slaves. How do US and EU fare?
The world today seems absolutely crackers,
With nuclear bombs to blow us all sky high.
There's fools and idiots sitting on the trigger.
It's depressing and it's senseless, and that's why...
I like Chinese.
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They only come up to your knees,
Yet they're always friendly, and they're ready to please.
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There's nine hundred million of them in the world today.
You'd better learn to like them; that's what I say.
I like Chinese.
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They come from a long way overseas,
But they're cute and they're cuddly, and they're ready to please.
I like Chinese food.
The waiters never are rude.
Think of the many things they've done to impress.
There's Maoism, Taoism, I Ching, and Chess.
So I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
I like their tiny little trees,
Their Zen, their ping-pong, their yin, and yang-ese.
I like Chinese thought,
The wisdom that Confucious taught.
If Darwin is anything to shout about,
The Chinese will survive us all without any doubt.
So, I like Chinese.
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They only come up to your knees,
Yet they're wise and they're witty, and they're ready to please.
All together.
[verse in Chinese]
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Ni hao ma; ni hao ma; ni hao ma; zaijien! (How are you; how are you; how are you; goodbye!)
I like Chinese.
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Their food is guaranteed to please,
A fourteen, a seven, a nine, and lychees.
I like Chinese.
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I like their tiny little trees,
Their Zen, their ping-pong, their yin, and yang-ese.
I like Chinese.
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They only come up to your knees...
I am glad they left FOX News alone, at least they can still be contacted for news.
I am guesssing parent was one of the Chinese propagandists trying to tell us something.
/. we believe in a concept called freedom of speech. You might not be familiar with it.
Let me say this, friend, at
Now either fit in with the rest of the world - or hide behind your firewall.
Just don't try and form us into your vision of what the world should look like.
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Are you implying fighting the Nazis was a cold war?
Americans and their government refuse to admit that they did wrong by invading Iraq and setting up Gitmo.
*shrug*
Blar.
The Chinese should ignore CNN and Jack Rafferty, like everyone else. Well, I suppose it is like American Idol, and has a perverse entertainment value to many, but certainly no content. Attacking the CNN website, or protesting CNN in any way, is just noise on the audience meter, and they love it.
I would recommend all slashdot articles that are related to conspiracies and happened in the US to add the statement "One has to wonder if this XYZ was sponsored by the US government or not". Any specultaion of this kind is simply nonsense.
And then there's this recently penned Chinese pop song, Don't Be Too CNN, accusing Western media of distorting reportage on China.
"There is a big difference between saying "you are bad" and saying "you are doing something bad"."
I'm not seeing it. If you are doing something bad, that makes you "bad", because it certainly doesn't make you "good" or "neutral". Now you can argue that it is a collective generalzation at this point, but it is sort of hard to distinguish when talking about nations and their general policy, it is commonly used in conversation and people recognize that there are individual differences. The US allegedly "elected" GWB the lesser, even though individually a lot of people did not vote for him, collectively he is still the prez of all the US people, for whatever that is worth, and people elsewhere might think the US does "bad" and they conversationally link the two-even though individuals inside the us might totally disagree with this or that, their disagreement aggregate is not enough to alter what the official government of all the people does. It is enough where there is some collective "bad" there then. China as a nation occupies Tibet, a very large percentage there thinks that is totally cool, the official government does else they wouldn't do it. In their minds it is not bad and any criticism is an affront, but to a lot of people elsewhere it constitutes a collective "bad" policy making them overall "bad" because they are doing it.
First the hacker attacked from the US, then there were web addres with trojan in europe and the US. Then attacked from all of those AND had web address with trojan based in Russia/ eastern europe, now it is asia and particularly china. I don't really think this is due to the chinese government being being it, but more that it is easier to set up a trojan web site in those countries, than in the US. And easier to cover your trace.
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Yes, but who are these fabled "Chinese" people?
We should expose those little chi-com bastards to man-porn. Maybe even shrink-wrap a few packs of Camels to each copy.
Air drop millions of them during the Olympics and let them get busy making up for all that lost time.
Who needs a botnet when they could just make the world's longest daisy chain?
As a citizen living in Hong Kong, I could receive information from western media.
Most of the western media, like CNN, only blames the Chinese government, hides the truth and modifies the truth. For example, they (most are from Germany) showed a photo showing police is hurting some people. They said the police was Chinese police. However, the police is from Nepal (from the uniform they weared).
Since blaming the Chinese government could get more people to watch. They has the motivation to do that. On the other side, public media, likes BBC, provides voice from both side.
"Cafferty used the microphone in his hands to slander China and the Chinese people (and) seriously violated professional ethics of journalism and human conscience," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said Tuesday at a news conference
I was not aware that China was recognizing a professional ethics of journalism code... You know, when you imprison journalist based on political beliefs, force state-run journalist to run stories favorable to the government, etc
I sincerely hope that the Foreign Ministry spokeswoman was joking about it!
So, you're a fan of the status quo.
Everything in China is government-sponsored. Possibility 1: the government is paying people to commit crimes abroad. Possibility 2: The government is whipping the citizenry into a nationalist/racist frenzy with a combination of propaganda and censorship, then looking the other way when they commit crimes abroad. The difference is interesting only to spies and academics; the result is the same either way.
So the BBC has something to do with this as well, eh?...
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Every time someone stands up to the US (or CNN) and thoroughly pwns them, it makes me chuckle-especially when you can see that it was such a blatantly bad idea (even if it was free speech, they had to see this coming)
China and the US have both done some grievous things in our day, but there is a reason I would never blame China or expect it to act otherwise, while I will always be outraged when the US pulls off something similar.:
The US is a democracy..China is no such thing and never has beenChina has never, EVER been a soft, benevolent country. In Ancient times Emperor Xi Huangdi (the guy who built the great wall, was buried with the clay soldiers, and is seen in the movie Hero) used the exact same strong arm tactics to build and protect China. The Chinese have always played hardball and placed the value of human life as a *very* distant second to the sanctity and wellbeing of their nation and its people as a whole. Yes, sometimes this makes them do horrible, horrible things-especially by our western standards, but as a person I respect them for it. Its not like they try and make out their human rights violations as being in the name of 'Freedom and Justice.' Their reactions are also always quite predictable and they always live up to the letter of their word when dealing politically. In summary, their ways and values are radically different, but they are consistent and if I was charged with governing a quarter of the world's population, my policies would be very similar.
The US on the other hand is supposed to be a democracy and all about the individual and their rights. Anyone can see, however that in practice this is almost never the case. Capitalism and democracy didn't mix quite well and frankly its difficult to do anything unless corporations or the government deem it ok. How is this different from China? Actually its very similar. The thing is that the US government pulls the 1984 move of making all of their human rights violations in the name of Freedom, when clearly it is quite the opposite. When The US went into Iraq, we all know that Bush claimed it was to free the oppressed Iraqi people, find the weapons of mass destruction, and apparently save the world from evil terrorists. We all now know it was for oil and a vantage point in the Middle East. The reason for China being in Tibet is quite plainly because of an age old conflict and an assertion that is was at one point theirs and a valuable strategic position. (am i saying they are right?? NO! I'm just pointing out the lack of equivocation, although they are trying to avoid the subject with Olympic committees)Both countries also censor and coach their media to varying degrees. The difference here? China doesn't claim that they aren't censoring-they claim (validly in some cases)that the do it to prevent mass hysteria, political unrest often due to international criticism (which as you see they take very seriously). The US pulls the same shit, but they do it while touting freedom and democracy. Which in turn leaves me quite angry and bitter as i sit around wondering where in the world all the freedom and democracy is.
In short, at least the Chinese are honest!Thats exactly what the CNN/Reps want to prove. Desperately. So that the media can report about it incessantly while completely shelving the massive loot in Iraq and Africa.
After all it's election time, friends.
What's more, apparently, the US has just given $7 BILLION to the Pakis to fight terrorism. Last heard, the western borders of Pakistan (touching Afghanistan) is where Al Qaeda leaders hide. Now all it takes is just one high-level traitor like AQ Khan to disburse the cash for exactly the opposite - to FUND terror - which is what China is fearing - openly.
While you can't say who's lying, there's a real shady game being played out and it's not Olympics.
It's mostly media manipulation - as it is the CNN and co. specialize in frightening Americans out of their senses. Constantly bombarding the common man with fear and shock naturally makes him vote for "the protector".
Prove me wrong, please, and I'll sleep happily.
Hackers have long memories. It works both ways.
My gut also tells me all these Chinese hackers stories are bullshit, but we'll have to see about that.
It would really not be hard to just *say* Chinese hackers did whatever you want and have the general population believe you, there's no need to even have proof because proof would be over most people's heads anyway.
Several days ago, a CNN commentator publicly said, "They're basically the same bunch of goons and thugs they've been for the last 50 years,". I don't think this is very professional for a journalist. Worse, CNN does not apologize directly for this. I appreciate CNN to report on Tibet, but this is not acceptable!
n/a.
Can we all please just keep our heads for a few more months? If McCain can keep confusing his Shi'ites with his Sunis, then it might just be possible that any nonsense resulting from this kind of international friction will be less than globally lethal. I do not want to live in an Orwell novel because some jingoistic Chinese kid decides to take a pot shot at the wrong somebody. This could all get enormously dangerous far faster than anybody realizes.
Just take many deep breathes and count to ten as often as necessary. Yes, CNN is total bullshit. For a laugh, you should watch Fox! Many of us in the West have learned to recognize our own propaganda. If you, (the Chinese), can meet us half-way and reject the crap coming out of your own TV sets and classrooms, then we might all be able to survive the next few years without any nuclear exchanges.
-FL
So when people power in Tibet goes against Chinese that's good?
And when people power in China goes against the USA that's bad?
The Americans only have themselves to blame for teaching the Chinese that people power gets you noticed.
After the shitty job the two morons did on the debate the other night, somebody needs to take ABC offline.
In fact, I wouldn't complain much if they took ALL the broadcast news operations - especially Fox - offline.
Bunch of fucking incompetent, biased, Establishment-protecting morons.
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The chinese gov is up to a number of things, but in general if it does not involve pushing their politics, helping their business, or their military, they stay out of it. The gov. is used to CNN being this way, and if they really wanted to do damage to CNN, they would either kick them out or block their server
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
At the time I first read this article I wasn't having any issues accessing CNN, and I didn't remember having any problems on Friday, although today (Sunday afternoon from my location), CNN is now unaccessible.
I think it's very possible that these DDOS attacks haven't stopped yet.
Oh, and I'm in Taiwan.
I have to quote this, "One has to wonder if this hacking attempt was government sponsored or not" You have to wonder if it's government sponsored or not? Last time I checked, the Chinese government only allows things to happen, that they want to happen. Your not going to be a wild rebel in China and live for it, unless it's something the communists want, that's for sure! And who cares about cnn?:)
Get the US out of the UN,
and occupied Texas.
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Even the majority of the ethnic Chinese who've settled into foreign democratic countries somehow pledge their loyalty to the Han empire and its policies. The growing "greatness" and resurgence of the Han Chinese empire is an end that justifies all means, unquestionably. Those who even dare to suggest *debating* about nationalist causes like the status of Tibetan people under Chinese rule, are ruthlessly attacked. (a case study: Grace Wang, Duke Uni.) That will set the parameters for the "national debate" among the Chinese. Either one conforms or one becomes an "enemy of the people"!
Nature or Nurture?
The modern-day Han ethnicity is an amalgam of innumerous east-Asian tribes which were over the millenia taken over and converted into following the "superior" culture which was later named after the Han dynasty. There are some ongoing genetic studies of the current Chinese population which might give us better understanding of the ways the dynasties expanded, whether it was by peaceful assimilation or by more militant means. Obviously the ruling CCP will have a keen interest in interpreting the results of any such studies.
Regardless of the genetics, since "modern" nationalism spread into China the ideology has been used very successfully to help e.g. southern Chinese to identify themselves as Hans (which wasn't the case as recently as in the 18th or 19th century). Since the beginning of the 20th century pretty much all Chinese who didn't strongly identify with one of the 50-60 so called national minorities, including those of mixed parentage, were invariably raised to follow the "higher" Han culture. The so called minorities also get immersed into thinking that the 90%+ Han majority are the "paternal" race with "proper culture". Without the right to learn about the history and rights of those minorities, and with centrally encouraged Han migration into the minority areas to solidify Han control, the remaining minorities will inevitably vanish; just as the earlier neighbours of the early "Han" dynasties were assimilated until only Han culture remained.
Now with even "overseas Chinese" identifying so strongly with their "ethno-cultural family", it would be interesting to learn to what degree the Han Chinese language, its ideogram-based script and other social factors (such as the Chinatown effect of Chinese sticking together and discouraging cross-cultural exchange or marrying even after generations "overseas") are behind this phenomenom. Is there some kind of a "first imprint effect" that steers many or most Chinese to simply follow the mainstream Chinese "thinking" as it is presently promoted by that mainstream? Do the people identifying themselves as ethnic Chinese feel unusually insecure living abroad, and the imprint somehow gives them a sense of belonging and purpose? In the Chinese thinking one never questions "family", and the mainstream thinking (also engineered by the CCP desperately needing a raison d'etre!) has rather successfully soldered together the concepts of family and the (great) Han nation.
Like most of my Tibetan friends (some of whom have suffered greatly in the hands of the Chinese), I don't hate the Chinese for what they've done to Tibetans (I know the blame lies in the system and control of it). In fact I am quite lucky to have a large number of intelligent Chinese friends with whom I can civilly debate, agree and disagree on various issues. What does cause me some personal pain is seeing presumably well-informed Chinese choosing to ignore the clear injustices the Han empire has committed in Tibet since Mao's 1950 invasion
Should invading one's peaceful neighbours be opposed, or rewarded with trade deals?
You support him and his illegal occupation of another country.
I see by your anti-arab link that you must be one of those people who had their country handed back to them after they failed to hold it. If only the Native Americans could have been so lucky...
Blar.
From your blogs, what I read is that Chinese people are not individuals. They are all robots directly controlled by the central government. Anything they say or do are automatically government sponsored.
I am sorry. But it just shows your ignorance or maybe denial.