"we are the the most psychopath right wing coalition that can ever come into being in a country through a democratic process", Tzipi Livni should have said.
no really, its beyond fathoming, the nature and formation of this ungodly coalition is. my israeli friend (colleague too) says that the exterior minister of this coalition, liebermann, is known as outright mafia in israel. not in a manner of speaking, but, literally. he says the entire coalition is filled with similar right wing zealots and psychos, came to being as a coalition government only through an unholy alliance they have set up among each other after the scattered elections. they, naturally, dont even reflect the true will of the majority of israeli people.
its no surprise to me to hear these leaks, after being told about the situation in israel and nature of these people by my friend, tho it may be worthy of news to some people.
your speech gives out your iq/age, however i will play this once more :
openness and transparency and truth, are GOOD things (tm). so far, these were only brought to us by wikileaks.
all else does not matter. he can be someone who likes to wipe his ass with golden toilet paper, i dont care. what i need is, openness, transparency, and truth, DESPITE and IN LIEU OF the corporate propaganda machine that is trying to suppress them.
now, you have to connect the dots, for indeed, as you say, a few smokes coming out from different places do not mean there is a fire.
but,
in this case, all the items complement each other :
- google has engaged in serious privacy violations that even dwarf conventional wrongdoing by corporations. (private information scandal through wireless mapping for example)
- google has also been hinted to be cooperating with government sources
- on top of this, there is the question of censorship in china.
- schmidt was amiable to censorship in china, something that not only goes against the principles of DBE, but also even policies and laws of united states of america. yet he was content
connecting all the dots, we can easily say that schmidt either staged or approved these violations of DBE. EVEN if we go berserk and totally ignore that a CEOs job, is to set the policy or get the people who will set the policy. so, he was either grossly incompetent, or he did engage in violating DBE.
but isnt it implied ? he is the ceo after all. he is the one giving direction to the company, appointing and guiding key people who are making the policies. it is his making. what else a ceo does if not these, in the first place ?
because they have not been in the 'entertainment biz', they havent been able to carry anything to headlines to poke the truth in the eyes of people who care for nothing but the 'entertainment' ?
if you bring some creation to life, you better stand by it and watch it forever. if you hand it over to someone else, s/he may undo what your vision has done. someone else, is flatly, someone else. not you. noone can hold your vision stronger and clearer than you can.
i think this should be a good lesson for sergei and larry. and all of us tech upstarts.
Thanks for making a totalitarian rule that much easier, wikileaks?
no, thank to you, the fool, for making totalitarian rule real behind a 'free' storefront, with your 'let the sleeping lords lie' mindset. thinking that if there wasnt wikileaks, the sources which are trying to censor and repress were not going to do it. they started it in 2002, the acta proceedings. they brought the 2006 anti-net neutrality attack, they brought coica long ago.
yet, morons like you still trying to blame wikileaks for censorship. boy. its easy when you pay zero attention to what's happening in the world, apart from headlines you get served.
as for what is being changed in civilization, its in the process of being changed. it is a move towards transparency and truth, which was promised with a straight face and then ignored by almost all politicians. anyone befouling a cause for transparency and truth, regardless of how it is being handled, is a moron that deserves being herded. 'let the sleeping lords lie' indeed...
Except for the fact that Assange isn't some great revolutionary.
at their time, a lot of the revolutionaries were being dubbed with adjectives which wouldnt even compare to this 'ego' business. not to mention that, a minority of them were considered revolutionaries until a few centuries later, when history was written.
moreover, the 'real revolutionaries' are the ones which leaked those videos, right. then answer me, why there were no such real revolutionaries, up till wikileaks, until someone provided those revolutionaries with the means to be a revolutionary ?
ranging from privacy abuses to wireless scandal. in his watch, google almost lost its reputation for dont be evil policy. this is further evidenced by his merry acceptance of censored search result serving in china. some justify that as 'trying to keep a diverse company up', but i call it lack of backbone. the very backbone, which carried google to prominence on the shoulders of people who liked the have-backbone policy.
google got involved in a lot of privacy issues and questionable practices in his watch. and he was wanting to deliver censored searches to china too, had no problems.
but here you are, speaking on his behalf and saying that he was not wanting to move away from dont be evil policy. and you have no basis, other than saying 'large and diverse company'. excuse me but that is electionspeak. it has no basis, it has no means of being verified, it is vague enough to be taken in any way, and defended in any occasion.
a lot of people in history had big egos, yet you still are using what breakthroughs and changes they have brought to this civilization without any issues.
or, you though that all the prominent historical figures that have provided anything of value to the society took after mother theresa...
are you sure that, its not someone else's ego, but your own, getting irritated with someone else's ?
it was your constitution that have allowed/mandated the free for all environment with no limitations in which corporate interests could become as large as governments and comparably in control.
what is in your constitution, is what allowed the interests that take it away from you through your own government, to flourish and come to being.
Typical slashdot, I actually take the time to review your code AT YOUR REQUEST, I politely give you my opinion, and you respond with personal attacks.
no, i am thankful that you took the time to review it. and what you read, were not personal attacks, but strong, hard professional criticism. you should also be thankful to me for that, since you seem to be a person who does php coding on the side, not as a professional, or in an environment that is isolated from the hard practicalities of the market.
all the points you raised, were addressed. if you go back and read, you will see that yourself.
i do think that my code is better than drupal, joomla et al for hard practicalities of production environment in which you have to deal with small businesses or individuals' demands and needs. understandable - if i had been working in corporate environments or i.t. divisions in which i would be isolated from the demands and needs of clients in direct form, and had an i.t. manager or division fighting for what i think was right, i would also be approaching these like you do.
take the table versus div/css example. you can easily argue that it is better for usability to have less elements in a webpage, and then easily use div/css for positioning elements in such a clean interface and make sure it looks the same in many browsers and old devices as a corporate i.t. unit justifying it to management, but, as a professional who deals with clients directly, there is no way in hell that you will be able to do the same to a client who wants to put hundreds of elements, content items, listings in a single webpage. justifications, rationalizations dont matter at this point. client wants it, s/he will have it. even if you argue and persuade a few clients to what you think as the correct practice in your eyes, the third client will want it, and will have it. moreover, it is their right. and, you will end up having to place innumerable elements in the shifty div/css format, and will need to fight discrepancies here and there that may come up in random browser+device whenever you change something somewhere. in comparison, tables will stay where they are, as they are put, regardless of device, platform, software.
may sound ugly and unprofessional to you, in your current mindset. it is neither ugly, nor unprofessional. as i have said, the biases, justifications and rationale of us programmers do not have much importance in the eyes of the public.
the codebase you have reviewed, has been built to solve these problems. but, you have reviewed it with your conventional wisdom, which apply little in the world of practicalities.
this is our problem. as long as there are fools who are still ASKing whether 'is it the end of internet as we know it', it WILL be the internet as we know it, because IT IS the end of internet as we know it...
Pause, and think about it for a minute. Does anyone REALLY think an ISP can afford to make 99% of the Web intolerable for its users, without immediately dying a horrible death in the market? No. It won't happen.
stop believing in the 'market' bullcrap. market is the foremost thing that is manipulated on this planet. there is more profit in tiering internet, and ALL isps will be doing it. there will be no problem of 'surviving' at all. it will just be 'standard industry practice', just like how things like these have been, in all other industries unless they were banned.
as a simple example, you can look at how, for some reason, music album/cds are being sold from almost the same rates as records, despite technology changed a lot, manufacturing went to china taking the production cost to dimes, and many corporations seemingly competing in the field.
where is cheaper music in the mainstream market ? where is the competition ?
nowhere. this is what you will end up with internet too, if you keep believing that 'market/competition' bullshit. its something that doesnt apply in real world. it lives in econ 101, 102 books.
TalkTalk's Andrew Heaney replied: 'We'd do a deal, and we'd look at YouTube and we'd look at BBC and we should have freedom to sign whatever deal works
see. they are free to sign whatever deal works. and not one isp, two, all of them. and, just like it happened in similar cases in ALL other industries, ALL will sign whatever deal that works. and in the end what will happen ?
For a start, your project website is built using tables. This is enough to turn away most experienced web developers straight away (as it was for me the first time I visited your site several days ago).
and you lost all respect and credibility for the review you are going to make about the code for me there.
there is nothing wrong about tables. tables, stay where they are, in all devices, in the proportions they are set, and do not start changing entire looks of a page unlike when an element of a div/css mesh with relative/absolute positioning combination can do, and differently looking in all browsers due to the phletora of differences in between them. tables are old tech. oldest devices can recognize and present tables properly. it is proper for people who work in big corporate salary jobs, dealing with whatever their i.t. department is able to pass from management, which in turn generally end up the 'latest hottest', therefore not having to deal with very curious and intricate, odd requests of dev clients. however as someone who makes his pay in the trenches, i have seen that the caprice of many browsers + div+css can mean going into loss in a project whereas you could pass the hurdle easily by just implementing tables. client does not give a flying fsck about what's in there in behind, rightfully too - they are ok as long as their thing looks the same in as much devices and it can, and - note this part down - they dont want to spend much money for it. and no, you cant make them spend more money on browser compatibility with any reason or justification either - our justifications and self-righteousness as programmers in our own world, have little importance for the people outside it.
MOREOVER, and more importantly, despite it is clearly stated on the project website that code separates ALL design from tables, you still went on to link the oh-so-bad table usage on the website with the code and concept. which shows further shallowness. i could have made the project site one big whopping centered blinking text page, and it still would be separated from code.
The point is that I shouldn't have to modify any core code to use your codebase in my project.
and you dont have to. the core code stays as it is. you create new functionality through modules. i am translating an entire website that serves 10,000+ content from database for 6 years into that system, in just that fashion. i can lump the entire functionality of the website into a single module, or multiple modules, and all still would be totally self contained complete with their language, code, template files.
My third criticism would be code quality. Even in the brief reading of your code I found a bug (line 70, application_header.php) and I found that your files have closing php tags which in my experience is very bad practice.
further proof of your extreme elitism, which doesnt work well in the trenches. just like tables 'just work', closing php tags, also, just work. as for bugs, bugs are normal for weekend projects and BETA code.
Even if your project were superior in quality, it would take a mammoth effort by a large group of people to make it more "efficient" to start a new project with your code than Drupal.
doubtful. you talk of elephant in the room, yet you forget that what huge a mess and pile the drupal code has become over the years. just like any other code which was started as a hobby, but, was developed rather rapidly without any direction, guideline by many people. yes, there is huge functionality, yes there are a lot of modules, a lot of community support, and the code is still INEFFICIENT.
your concerns you expressed, apart from elitism, had centered on totally irrelevant things than the code you have seen was produced of - efficiency. as said, i am translating an entire website code, which was built more than 5 years ago, and with register globals, magic quote
carbon gases, humans adding up to it, will make everything worse. its one thing to have to build huge dams and sets in order to save london, netherlands etc from sinking, and its another to have the sea levels rise higher than we can prevent with building dams or sets, due to exacerbating the situation through our pollution.
i assure you, those who are opposing the measures will not be there, to spend money to save anything, when the time comes. its better to ignore them entirely now, rather than having to blame them and not being able to find them anywhere when the clock hits the hour.
its just a climate cycle. it happens every 10,000 years or whatever interval fox news says. lets just all pump up carbon gases and speed up the meltdown so we can, well, drown fast ?
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"we are the the most psychopath right wing coalition that can ever come into being in a country through a democratic process", Tzipi Livni should have said.
no really, its beyond fathoming, the nature and formation of this ungodly coalition is. my israeli friend (colleague too) says that the exterior minister of this coalition, liebermann, is known as outright mafia in israel. not in a manner of speaking, but, literally. he says the entire coalition is filled with similar right wing zealots and psychos, came to being as a coalition government only through an unholy alliance they have set up among each other after the scattered elections. they, naturally, dont even reflect the true will of the majority of israeli people.
its no surprise to me to hear these leaks, after being told about the situation in israel and nature of these people by my friend, tho it may be worthy of news to some people.
your speech gives out your iq/age, however i will play this once more :
openness and transparency and truth, are GOOD things (tm). so far, these were only brought to us by wikileaks.
all else does not matter. he can be someone who likes to wipe his ass with golden toilet paper, i dont care. what i need is, openness, transparency, and truth, DESPITE and IN LIEU OF the corporate propaganda machine that is trying to suppress them.
kapisch ? kapischero ? kapischomento ?
i just realized that, the man is not keeping us down, because, well, you have just said so !!! and in the face of all abundant evidence to boot !!
...
how wrong i have been
now, you have to connect the dots, for indeed, as you say, a few smokes coming out from different places do not mean there is a fire.
but,
in this case, all the items complement each other :
- google has engaged in serious privacy violations that even dwarf conventional wrongdoing by corporations. (private information scandal through wireless mapping for example)
- google has also been hinted to be cooperating with government sources
- on top of this, there is the question of censorship in china.
- schmidt was amiable to censorship in china, something that not only goes against the principles of DBE, but also even policies and laws of united states of america. yet he was content
connecting all the dots, we can easily say that schmidt either staged or approved these violations of DBE. EVEN if we go berserk and totally ignore that a CEOs job, is to set the policy or get the people who will set the policy. so, he was either grossly incompetent, or he did engage in violating DBE.
you are not holding transparency and proliferation of bare truth, as something that would better humankind.
but isnt it implied ? he is the ceo after all. he is the one giving direction to the company, appointing and guiding key people who are making the policies. it is his making. what else a ceo does if not these, in the first place ?
because they have not been in the 'entertainment biz', they havent been able to carry anything to headlines to poke the truth in the eyes of people who care for nothing but the 'entertainment' ?
and tell us what did cryptome accomplish. tell me one single thing, that cryptome has been able to carry into world news at prime time.
ah also
http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1910704&cid=34556662
maybe this is the reason ?
if you bring some creation to life, you better stand by it and watch it forever. if you hand it over to someone else, s/he may undo what your vision has done. someone else, is flatly, someone else. not you. noone can hold your vision stronger and clearer than you can.
i think this should be a good lesson for sergei and larry. and all of us tech upstarts.
Thanks for making a totalitarian rule that much easier, wikileaks?
no, thank to you, the fool, for making totalitarian rule real behind a 'free' storefront, with your 'let the sleeping lords lie' mindset. thinking that if there wasnt wikileaks, the sources which are trying to censor and repress were not going to do it. they started it in 2002, the acta proceedings. they brought the 2006 anti-net neutrality attack, they brought coica long ago.
...
yet, morons like you still trying to blame wikileaks for censorship. boy. its easy when you pay zero attention to what's happening in the world, apart from headlines you get served.
as for what is being changed in civilization, its in the process of being changed. it is a move towards transparency and truth, which was promised with a straight face and then ignored by almost all politicians. anyone befouling a cause for transparency and truth, regardless of how it is being handled, is a moron that deserves being herded. 'let the sleeping lords lie' indeed
Except for the fact that Assange isn't some great revolutionary.
at their time, a lot of the revolutionaries were being dubbed with adjectives which wouldnt even compare to this 'ego' business. not to mention that, a minority of them were considered revolutionaries until a few centuries later, when history was written.
moreover, the 'real revolutionaries' are the ones which leaked those videos, right. then answer me, why there were no such real revolutionaries, up till wikileaks, until someone provided those revolutionaries with the means to be a revolutionary ?
ranging from privacy abuses to wireless scandal. in his watch, google almost lost its reputation for dont be evil policy. this is further evidenced by his merry acceptance of censored search result serving in china. some justify that as 'trying to keep a diverse company up', but i call it lack of backbone. the very backbone, which carried google to prominence on the shoulders of people who liked the have-backbone policy.
it was high time he left.
google got involved in a lot of privacy issues and questionable practices in his watch. and he was wanting to deliver censored searches to china too, had no problems.
but here you are, speaking on his behalf and saying that he was not wanting to move away from dont be evil policy. and you have no basis, other than saying 'large and diverse company'. excuse me but that is electionspeak. it has no basis, it has no means of being verified, it is vague enough to be taken in any way, and defended in any occasion.
a lot of people in history had big egos, yet you still are using what breakthroughs and changes they have brought to this civilization without any issues.
...
or, you though that all the prominent historical figures that have provided anything of value to the society took after mother theresa
are you sure that, its not someone else's ego, but your own, getting irritated with someone else's ?
hollywood will picture the man and its work in a bad light with subtle messages, while appearing not to be doing so.
business as usual. wag the dog.
is it ?
it was your constitution that have allowed/mandated the free for all environment with no limitations in which corporate interests could become as large as governments and comparably in control.
what is in your constitution, is what allowed the interests that take it away from you through your own government, to flourish and come to being.
Typical slashdot, I actually take the time to review your code AT YOUR REQUEST, I politely give you my opinion, and you respond with personal attacks.
no, i am thankful that you took the time to review it. and what you read, were not personal attacks, but strong, hard professional criticism. you should also be thankful to me for that, since you seem to be a person who does php coding on the side, not as a professional, or in an environment that is isolated from the hard practicalities of the market.
all the points you raised, were addressed. if you go back and read, you will see that yourself.
i do think that my code is better than drupal, joomla et al for hard practicalities of production environment in which you have to deal with small businesses or individuals' demands and needs. understandable - if i had been working in corporate environments or i.t. divisions in which i would be isolated from the demands and needs of clients in direct form, and had an i.t. manager or division fighting for what i think was right, i would also be approaching these like you do.
take the table versus div/css example. you can easily argue that it is better for usability to have less elements in a webpage, and then easily use div/css for positioning elements in such a clean interface and make sure it looks the same in many browsers and old devices as a corporate i.t. unit justifying it to management, but, as a professional who deals with clients directly, there is no way in hell that you will be able to do the same to a client who wants to put hundreds of elements, content items, listings in a single webpage. justifications, rationalizations dont matter at this point. client wants it, s/he will have it. even if you argue and persuade a few clients to what you think as the correct practice in your eyes, the third client will want it, and will have it. moreover, it is their right. and, you will end up having to place innumerable elements in the shifty div/css format, and will need to fight discrepancies here and there that may come up in random browser+device whenever you change something somewhere. in comparison, tables will stay where they are, as they are put, regardless of device, platform, software.
may sound ugly and unprofessional to you, in your current mindset. it is neither ugly, nor unprofessional. as i have said, the biases, justifications and rationale of us programmers do not have much importance in the eyes of the public.
the codebase you have reviewed, has been built to solve these problems. but, you have reviewed it with your conventional wisdom, which apply little in the world of practicalities.
as we know it ....
...
this is our problem. as long as there are fools who are still ASKing whether 'is it the end of internet as we know it', it WILL be the internet as we know it, because IT IS the end of internet as we know it
Pause, and think about it for a minute. Does anyone REALLY think an ISP can afford to make 99% of the Web intolerable for its users, without immediately dying a horrible death in the market? No. It won't happen.
stop believing in the 'market' bullcrap. market is the foremost thing that is manipulated on this planet. there is more profit in tiering internet, and ALL isps will be doing it. there will be no problem of 'surviving' at all. it will just be 'standard industry practice', just like how things like these have been, in all other industries unless they were banned.
as a simple example, you can look at how, for some reason, music album/cds are being sold from almost the same rates as records, despite technology changed a lot, manufacturing went to china taking the production cost to dimes, and many corporations seemingly competing in the field.
where is cheaper music in the mainstream market ? where is the competition ?
nowhere. this is what you will end up with internet too, if you keep believing that 'market/competition' bullshit. its something that doesnt apply in real world. it lives in econ 101, 102 books.
TalkTalk's Andrew Heaney replied: 'We'd do a deal, and we'd look at YouTube and we'd look at BBC and we should have freedom to sign whatever deal works
see. they are free to sign whatever deal works. and not one isp, two, all of them. and, just like it happened in similar cases in ALL other industries, ALL will sign whatever deal that works. and in the end what will happen ?
For a start, your project website is built using tables. This is enough to turn away most experienced web developers straight away (as it was for me the first time I visited your site several days ago).
and you lost all respect and credibility for the review you are going to make about the code for me there.
there is nothing wrong about tables. tables, stay where they are, in all devices, in the proportions they are set, and do not start changing entire looks of a page unlike when an element of a div/css mesh with relative/absolute positioning combination can do, and differently looking in all browsers due to the phletora of differences in between them. tables are old tech. oldest devices can recognize and present tables properly. it is proper for people who work in big corporate salary jobs, dealing with whatever their i.t. department is able to pass from management, which in turn generally end up the 'latest hottest', therefore not having to deal with very curious and intricate, odd requests of dev clients. however as someone who makes his pay in the trenches, i have seen that the caprice of many browsers + div+css can mean going into loss in a project whereas you could pass the hurdle easily by just implementing tables. client does not give a flying fsck about what's in there in behind, rightfully too - they are ok as long as their thing looks the same in as much devices and it can, and - note this part down - they dont want to spend much money for it. and no, you cant make them spend more money on browser compatibility with any reason or justification either - our justifications and self-righteousness as programmers in our own world, have little importance for the people outside it.
MOREOVER, and more importantly, despite it is clearly stated on the project website that code separates ALL design from tables, you still went on to link the oh-so-bad table usage on the website with the code and concept. which shows further shallowness. i could have made the project site one big whopping centered blinking text page, and it still would be separated from code.
The point is that I shouldn't have to modify any core code to use your codebase in my project.
and you dont have to. the core code stays as it is. you create new functionality through modules. i am translating an entire website that serves 10,000+ content from database for 6 years into that system, in just that fashion. i can lump the entire functionality of the website into a single module, or multiple modules, and all still would be totally self contained complete with their language, code, template files.
My third criticism would be code quality. Even in the brief reading of your code I found a bug (line 70, application_header.php) and I found that your files have closing php tags which in my experience is very bad practice.
further proof of your extreme elitism, which doesnt work well in the trenches. just like tables 'just work', closing php tags, also, just work. as for bugs, bugs are normal for weekend projects and BETA code.
Even if your project were superior in quality, it would take a mammoth effort by a large group of people to make it more "efficient" to start a new project with your code than Drupal.
doubtful. you talk of elephant in the room, yet you forget that what huge a mess and pile the drupal code has become over the years. just like any other code which was started as a hobby, but, was developed rather rapidly without any direction, guideline by many people. yes, there is huge functionality, yes there are a lot of modules, a lot of community support, and the code is still INEFFICIENT.
your concerns you expressed, apart from elitism, had centered on totally irrelevant things than the code you have seen was produced of - efficiency. as said, i am translating an entire website code, which was built more than 5 years ago, and with register globals, magic quote
Doesnt that sound ominous and concerning ...
fox news was bashed. react strongly.
carbon gases, humans adding up to it, will make everything worse. its one thing to have to build huge dams and sets in order to save london, netherlands etc from sinking, and its another to have the sea levels rise higher than we can prevent with building dams or sets, due to exacerbating the situation through our pollution.
i assure you, those who are opposing the measures will not be there, to spend money to save anything, when the time comes. its better to ignore them entirely now, rather than having to blame them and not being able to find them anywhere when the clock hits the hour.
its just a climate cycle. it happens every 10,000 years or whatever interval fox news says. lets just all pump up carbon gases and speed up the meltdown so we can, well, drown fast ?