There are many. They are so common, it does not stand out and you dont notice. Any place an RV can plug in, an EV can do level 2 charge. Campgrounds, parking lots, so many hotels, truck stops,... Your home already has a 240 volt connection and probably a few 240 volt outlets. They are the Level2 charger the EV folks are talking about.
Putting on 300 miles of charge when you sleep is easily done. It takes a sudden flash to realize, in the BEV universe, every outlet is a gas station.
First some terminology. Level 2 is simply a 240 volt outlet used by your electric clothes washer, stoves, cooking ranges etc. It is limited to 12 kW. Level 1 is the 120 v 15 amp outlets we normally in homes/offices. Tesla calls these L2 chargers "Destination Chargers". They are meant to be used when you sleep. Tesla has a program and gives Tesla branded connectors for these charges free or at a low cost to hotels, restaurants etc. It is very inexpensive to offer a 240 v outlet for guests. The Level 2 chargers provided by the hotels will not be a big prominent pedestal or anything. It will be an inconspicuous outlet on the wall or a post, ask the desk they will show you. You probably did not notice them or did not realize they can charge an EV for 300 miles over night. Tesla owners of Canada rely completely on destination chargers, because the supercharger network there is not as good as it is in the USA
Now L3, Level 3 is the supercharger for Tesla, Direct current charging for Electrify America etc. Tesla goes to 128 kW. Electrify America has mostly 50 kW chargers. These are meant to be used to charge your car while you wait. Typically less than 1 hour. Typically you get 200 miles in 30 minutes, 280 miles in one hour. These are the ones that get ICEd, crowded, creates waiting lists, gets vandalized etc. Only Tesla is doing serious network and expansion in America. In Europe many competing vendors, utilities and municipalities provide a decent L3 charging options.
No the semi is model M (seMi). The pickup truck is model U(tility). The new roadster is S (roadSter) again. The van will be K (Kids).
Finally the lineup will spell S3XY MUSK
That is what most people think when they are buying every mile they drive in a gas station. In the BEV world, 90% of the miles you drive come from an outlet in the garage. You save 10 minutes every week avoiding gas station trips. You never break an urgent errand to stop to fill gas. In fact a few months on BEV you get annoyed when it happens in a gas car.
At minuscule market share Tesla has (200K total sold in USA that has 300 million vehicles) its network is vast. There is a supercharger within 60 miles for 95% of the US population. Tesla is not optimizing based on population centers. It has billions of miles of trip data. It is optimizing based on detour distance from trips. Already it is close to less than 10 mile detour for 98% of the trips. It needs to quadruple its network to make it 5%.
There are 60,000 motels and hotels in USA. 15,000 offer level 2 charging. 240 v outlets with wi-fi are so cheap to build overnight charging will become ubiquitous and free on almost all motels, like your free breakfast.
You will not rent gas cars for long trips. You will hate gas cars and their tepid handling once you drive BEV.
Model Y is a near luxury SUV. It should be compared to RX 330, RX330h. That sells in the range of 45K to 55K. So it is price comparable off the dealership. All savings in running costs are just icing on the cake.
Model Y and higher trims of Model 3 will provide the margins to sustain the operations, and the 35K Model 3 will provide volume and the economy of scale. It will eventually get the cost of basic to 28K. The leaked email of Oct 2018 said it is 38K. I would guess it is probably at 35K right now or a shade less. It needs to shave 7K off. I think it can, over the next two or three years. Model Y will provide the margins needed to make base model 3 get a 20% gross margins. That number is the key. 20% gross margin is what it needs to pay off the debt, invest more in factories, stabilize its credit ratings and become a stable auto maker. That is why Y is a game changer.
Hats off Tesla, it has shown no compromise electric cars will win.
It is not 110% of 35K version. SUVs are dual motors. So we are looking at 45K for model Y. Plain ICEV Rav4 is 24K, fully loaded Rav4 hybrid is 35K. Still it will sell well. It can probably sell as much as Rav4.
The charging rate for Tesla in the current superchargers is 128 kW till the battery is charged to 50% capacity. Then it follows linearly to 12 kW when the battery is fully charged. The supercharger V3 is going to 256 kW. Cars can this rate only for 10 minutes or so.
But, when the Tesla Semi hits the roads, it might be able to soak it all up. Semi is supposed to be 600 mile range on a 1 MW battery. It could soak up SCV3 at full blast for 2 hours may be.
It would be better if Tesla designs a charger that send down super chilled coolant and the battery gets a heat exchanger to keep it cool. That can charge 325 miles in 35 minutes. But very complicated, and will involve lots of expenses.
Yeah, it annoys me, 8 kW L2 charger is called "High Speed Charger". It annoys me piddly 1920x1080 calls itself FULL High Definition. It bothers me commissioned salesmen pitch gold plated contacts in HDMI cable as though it is going to make a difference.
Experts, meet marketing. Marketing, meet experts. Chokra, fetch me my bucket of pop corn. Start.
Tesla owners casually give test rides, take time explain features to any one who would listen, and even to those who would not listen. They pitched in to volunteer to deliver cars at a crunch time at the end of 18Q2.
Dont worry, all those who want to test drive a Tesla before paying, will get enough volunteers. Tesla might actually tap into the Tesla Motor Club volunteers for it. One tweet from Elon, you will have several thousand people willing to give test drives, far more than any dealership network can offer.
150 miles over the hills of Wales and across the Severn into England?
Only if they were stupid.
The Preseli Quarry is only 5 miles from the coast of the Irish Sea (all downhill). From there, they could be moved by barge up the Bristol Channel. Then across 40 miles of flat ground to the Salisbury Plain.
Disclaimer: I use miles instead of kilometers because Britain wasn't metric yet in 3000 BC.
Perhaps a layer of more compacted soil on probable track path from landing site to construction site could still be detected in archaeological layers? That would corroborate your hypothesis.
In a paved parking lot, cars with leaky engines leave behind a few drops oil. After a light drizzle, especially after a long dry period, you would see small patches of oily wet paving with colors of the rainbow. Usually very muted because of the dark back ground. I used to tell my daughter that they were pieces of dead rainbow that had fallen from the sky. There was a time she believed it. As she grew up she started pretending to believe it to indulge me. Then came a day, "will you stop saying that? It is not creative or funny anymore!". That's the day...
You must demonstrate injury and loss and prove it. It is very difficult to actually win these cases against big corporations. It should be made easier for individuals to prevail in such cases.
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This will degenerate to devastated torched landscape by never ending flame wars. Any one remember soc.men and soc.women in the good old usenet? That happened when usenet users had quaint notions of netiquette, and Bjorne Soustroup himself was participating in comp.lang.c++ . In this day and age? It will be trolled to death
The banks and lenders want to lend without any delay. Anytime anyone has an impulse to borrow and spend, these lenders want to lend before that impulse passes. That is why they lend without proper verification. Crooks take advantage of it, give false data, take the money and run.
Now the banks come after the name on their record. Now it is up to the innocent victim who has to prove he/she was not the person who borrowed.
Right now, a bank with all its financial muscle can accuse someone of defaulting on a loan. The alleged defaulter needs to spend time, and energy to fight it off. And in the end you can't get the money spent on defense back from the bank.
We just have to change the law to say, "If a lender falsely accuses someone of default, it should pay the accused the amount claimed as restitution and the cost of defending the claim". Banks will become lot more diligent in processing the loan application, and be a lot more careful before it brings in the muscle to collect.
The enforcement of copyright and other rights are very weak in India. Bootleg copies are available within 24 hours of release of movies. All songs are almost immediately copied and sold. Very little of the music/movies get any steady revenue after release. Movies have about one week, music none.
There is no separate music industry in India other than classical Indian music. All other music is part of movies. Almost every movie will have four to five songs. Typical Bollywood numbers. So popular music rights are comingled with movie rights.
The whole country is so used to getting the music for free, they will never pay for it. The only way to make money is by adding advertisement. Even that is in jeopardy because, there are enough techies who will download, edit out the ads, and "resell" ad-free music at a pittance, and boot leggers will boot leg those copies too!
Despite all that, the only serious film industry that is able to at least partially withstand the Hollywood onslaught are the Bollywood and its regional variants Kollywood, Mollywood, (wondering what the telugu-wood and kannada-wood are called). Bollywood is making some decent money in China, Japan, and the Middle-East.
Very interesting, because Government of India neglected Bollywood and never made any official attempt to "promote" it. Same with IT. It never had any Indian Sofware Export Promotion Board, like the Indian Coffee Board. No one ever heard of Indian Coffee. Only these industries, (movies, software, magazines, classical music) duked it out in a free market system, dog-eat-dog competition, winner take all rules. Very important lesson to be learned.
Ban the dino fossils now, ban all fossils tomorrow, courts rule fossil fuels are ipso facto fossils, and boom! all of us will be forced to drive that bug eyed Nissan Leaf.
Corporate behavior like this is the reason why we need personal injury lawyers. Unsafe products were sold rampantly. No unsafe services are being "sold" rampantly. A few people suffering losses, some shyster getting a multi million dollar award, might eventually bring about some changes... may be... in 20 years...
What a difference between a soft spoken empathetic Indra and this guy. She built the company up. Now he is going to loot it along with his other C suite cronies. The c stands for crony or criminal I wonder.
Well, if we make the polluting plastic in such a way they de-polymerise by the action of sea water and sunshine into some more basic forms, and they automagically re-aggregate into some form of large blobs by wave action... Well may be they make themselves easier to gather and dispose of.
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Tesla will sell to other people who dont drive at -40 deg c.
Putting on 300 miles of charge when you sleep is easily done. It takes a sudden flash to realize, in the BEV universe, every outlet is a gas station.
Now L3, Level 3 is the supercharger for Tesla, Direct current charging for Electrify America etc. Tesla goes to 128 kW. Electrify America has mostly 50 kW chargers. These are meant to be used to charge your car while you wait. Typically less than 1 hour. Typically you get 200 miles in 30 minutes, 280 miles in one hour. These are the ones that get ICEd, crowded, creates waiting lists, gets vandalized etc. Only Tesla is doing serious network and expansion in America. In Europe many competing vendors, utilities and municipalities provide a decent L3 charging options.
No the semi is model M (seMi). The pickup truck is model U(tility). The new roadster is S (roadSter) again. The van will be K (Kids). Finally the lineup will spell S3XY MUSK
At minuscule market share Tesla has (200K total sold in USA that has 300 million vehicles) its network is vast. There is a supercharger within 60 miles for 95% of the US population. Tesla is not optimizing based on population centers. It has billions of miles of trip data. It is optimizing based on detour distance from trips. Already it is close to less than 10 mile detour for 98% of the trips. It needs to quadruple its network to make it 5%.
There are 60,000 motels and hotels in USA. 15,000 offer level 2 charging. 240 v outlets with wi-fi are so cheap to build overnight charging will become ubiquitous and free on almost all motels, like your free breakfast.
You will not rent gas cars for long trips. You will hate gas cars and their tepid handling once you drive BEV.
Model Y and higher trims of Model 3 will provide the margins to sustain the operations, and the 35K Model 3 will provide volume and the economy of scale. It will eventually get the cost of basic to 28K. The leaked email of Oct 2018 said it is 38K. I would guess it is probably at 35K right now or a shade less. It needs to shave 7K off. I think it can, over the next two or three years. Model Y will provide the margins needed to make base model 3 get a 20% gross margins. That number is the key. 20% gross margin is what it needs to pay off the debt, invest more in factories, stabilize its credit ratings and become a stable auto maker. That is why Y is a game changer.
Hats off Tesla, it has shown no compromise electric cars will win.
It was planned this way. But Elon could not register Model E, Ford had already registered. That is why it became Model 3.
It is not 110% of 35K version. SUVs are dual motors. So we are looking at 45K for model Y. Plain ICEV Rav4 is 24K, fully loaded Rav4 hybrid is 35K. Still it will sell well. It can probably sell as much as Rav4.
But, when the Tesla Semi hits the roads, it might be able to soak it all up. Semi is supposed to be 600 mile range on a 1 MW battery. It could soak up SCV3 at full blast for 2 hours may be.
It would be better if Tesla designs a charger that send down super chilled coolant and the battery gets a heat exchanger to keep it cool. That can charge 325 miles in 35 minutes. But very complicated, and will involve lots of expenses.
Experts, meet marketing. Marketing, meet experts. Chokra, fetch me my bucket of pop corn. Start.
Dont worry, all those who want to test drive a Tesla before paying, will get enough volunteers. Tesla might actually tap into the Tesla Motor Club volunteers for it. One tweet from Elon, you will have several thousand people willing to give test drives, far more than any dealership network can offer.
150 miles over the hills of Wales and across the Severn into England?
Only if they were stupid.
The Preseli Quarry is only 5 miles from the coast of the Irish Sea (all downhill). From there, they could be moved by barge up the Bristol Channel. Then across 40 miles of flat ground to the Salisbury Plain.
Disclaimer: I use miles instead of kilometers because Britain wasn't metric yet in 3000 BC.
Perhaps a layer of more compacted soil on probable track path from landing site to construction site could still be detected in archaeological layers? That would corroborate your hypothesis.
A trail of stone tools may be ?
In a paved parking lot, cars with leaky engines leave behind a few drops oil. After a light drizzle, especially after a long dry period, you would see small patches of oily wet paving with colors of the rainbow. Usually very muted because of the dark back ground. I used to tell my daughter that they were pieces of dead rainbow that had fallen from the sky. There was a time she believed it. As she grew up she started pretending to believe it to indulge me. Then came a day, "will you stop saying that? It is not creative or funny anymore!". That's the day ...
Heard the term "Good enough for government work!" ?
You must demonstrate injury and loss and prove it. It is very difficult to actually win these cases against big corporations. It should be made easier for individuals to prevail in such cases.
This will degenerate to devastated torched landscape by never ending flame wars. Any one remember soc.men and soc.women in the good old usenet? That happened when usenet users had quaint notions of netiquette, and Bjorne Soustroup himself was participating in comp.lang.c++ . In this day and age? It will be trolled to death
Now the banks come after the name on their record. Now it is up to the innocent victim who has to prove he/she was not the person who borrowed.
Right now, a bank with all its financial muscle can accuse someone of defaulting on a loan. The alleged defaulter needs to spend time, and energy to fight it off. And in the end you can't get the money spent on defense back from the bank.
We just have to change the law to say, "If a lender falsely accuses someone of default, it should pay the accused the amount claimed as restitution and the cost of defending the claim". Banks will become lot more diligent in processing the loan application, and be a lot more careful before it brings in the muscle to collect.
There is no separate music industry in India other than classical Indian music. All other music is part of movies. Almost every movie will have four to five songs. Typical Bollywood numbers. So popular music rights are comingled with movie rights.
The whole country is so used to getting the music for free, they will never pay for it. The only way to make money is by adding advertisement. Even that is in jeopardy because, there are enough techies who will download, edit out the ads, and "resell" ad-free music at a pittance, and boot leggers will boot leg those copies too!
Despite all that, the only serious film industry that is able to at least partially withstand the Hollywood onslaught are the Bollywood and its regional variants Kollywood, Mollywood, (wondering what the telugu-wood and kannada-wood are called). Bollywood is making some decent money in China, Japan, and the Middle-East.
Very interesting, because Government of India neglected Bollywood and never made any official attempt to "promote" it. Same with IT. It never had any Indian Sofware Export Promotion Board, like the Indian Coffee Board. No one ever heard of Indian Coffee. Only these industries, (movies, software, magazines, classical music) duked it out in a free market system, dog-eat-dog competition, winner take all rules. Very important lesson to be learned.
I agree it is bad. SEC is going to ask to see their oversight process for Elon. Wish he kept his mouth shut. He should not be tweeting.
Ban the dino fossils now, ban all fossils tomorrow, courts rule fossil fuels are ipso facto fossils, and boom! all of us will be forced to drive that bug eyed Nissan Leaf.
Corporate behavior like this is the reason why we need personal injury lawyers. Unsafe products were sold rampantly. No unsafe services are being "sold" rampantly. A few people suffering losses, some shyster getting a multi million dollar award, might eventually bring about some changes... may be... in 20 years...
Earlier hackers needed to crack one site at a time. Now, thanks to innovation and advances, all they have to do is to crack android.
What a difference between a soft spoken empathetic Indra and this guy. She built the company up. Now he is going to loot it along with his other C suite cronies. The c stands for crony or criminal I wonder.
Well, if we make the polluting plastic in such a way they de-polymerise by the action of sea water and sunshine into some more basic forms, and they automagically re-aggregate into some form of large blobs by wave action ... Well may be they make themselves easier to gather and dispose of.
Ha, the joke is on you buddy. Frontier ain't got no trucks.