Hardware specs aren't that bad. I have Server (no, it's not AS, but it's damned close) running downstairs on an AMD K6-2 300 with 64MB of RAM. Yea, it was a long time to install, but it runs fairly well now acting as my SMTP server and my web host.
It would be a good idea for all of the authors of code in KDE (more precisely, all of the copyright holders) to make a clear statement that linking their code with Qt in the past was done with their permission, thus assuring existing KDE users that they have not forfeited distribution rights to that KDE code.
I don't understand what the KDE developers have against doing this. I don't see where this would be a liability on their part, and it would simply move their product ahead.
Also, where code was copied from other GPL-covered programs, their copyright holders need to be asked for forgiveness. To lead the way, the FSF hereby grants this forgiveness for all code that is copyright FSF.
Okay, I can see where their in trouble with that.:> I hope RMS has the ability to speak for the FSF as a whole. (Yes, I know his position, but above he indicated that only the copyright holders could grant that permission. Does the FSF retain copyright?)
But GNOME is here, and is not going to disappear. GNOME and KDE will remain two rival desktops, unless some day they can be merged in some way. Until then, the GNU Project is going to support its own team vigorously. Go get 'em, gnomes!
Someone mentioned above "this is the spirit of free software?" Yes, it is! This is COMPETITION! This is the driving force behind most people, whether they realize it or not. Without competition, products become stale. (Yes, you can use Windows here as an example if you'd like. However, look at W2K once Linux began to establish a foothold.) Anyway..
I'd like to see KDE included with more packages simply to give people the alternative, if nothing else. Remember that Linux is about choice; forcing something on someone simply because it has "always followed the license" or because it's the FSF favorite is simply absurd.
-- Talonius
P. S. For anyone who objects to me quoting from the article, most people I know who read Slashdot read the headlines and comments, not the article. I think that's gives you a very twisted view, but whatever floats their boat.
"There are legitimate times when, acting as an authorized agent of a corporation, you attempt to break your own stuff. This is the nature of the biz. Sometimes, you dont know if something is going to work, until you try and break it."
As an example I had to terminate an employee a few months back. Recently, I ran into a router whose password wouldn't work. After checking other routers, I found a total of 7 routers whose passwords had been changed which I didn't have easy physical access to. "PasswordListGenerator" and "Brutus" (don't have URLs at home, sorry) saved my company several thousand dollars in travel costs due to the former employee changing passwords and forgetting to document them. (I am in no way, shape, or form saying these changes were malicious, as they followed our definition and contained nothing libelous.:P)
That was three days of brute force. Thank God I'm not in Oregon, or I would be in jail right now.
Microsoft has aimed their software at the "enterprise level." I disagree with that. Their use of Unix internally (and we all know it's true, with or without disgruntled ex-employee corroboration) simply shows their software is *not* ready for the billion dollar enterprise.
Don't get me wrong, it's a decent workstation OS, and their products are excellent for the small to medium business who doesn't have time to hire and/or support an entire IT department around Unix. (Please don't flame me with "such and such" is easy to setup and configure under Unix. Installing Unix [and Linux] is still beyond the task of most normal people, okay?) It simply wasn't built from the beginning with enterprise scalability and reliability in mind, and there's way too much legacy code being dragged around to make it stable. (You can argue whether Microsoft supports that legacy code as a customer support initiative or simply to lock you in to their systems; that's up in the air. [Consider: Windows 2000 breaks all existing apps. You now have a clear chance to break free and use something entirely different, or stay within Microsoft. You choose, but the normal effect of throwing away years of legacy code by leaving Microsoft no longer matters.])
Anyway, my opinion is that Microsoft's stuff is good for the small to mid sized business, not the enterprise level business. Microsoft itself is an enterprise business. Thus, it cannot use its own products. What's wrong with that? Their IT department are the only people who have half a brain and make decisions based on information other than marketing? *shrug* Okay.
I haven't gone to a major college (never had a chance really) but the year I went they let me successfully test out of Intro C++, Intro Pascal, and typing [heh, I do roughly 110 wpm when I get going and I'm not using copy]. I paid the fees as if I had taken the classes, talked to the profs, took their exams and answered their [the profs] questions, and went on my merry way as a freshman in college with easy credit.
Schools are amazingly cooperative in this regard.
Now as for the unsupported operating system, geez! What IT person put THAT in place?
..open source is very probably already linked to "pirating" and the like. The concept of what really goes on with the Web and the open source movement is so alien to people caught up in the material world.
"Why would you *give* something away you spent weeks and months on?"
That was a question someone asked me. I mean, working and not getting paid for it just doesn't happen in the current world. (Hell, I bet my son will force me to pay him $30 to mow the lawn instead of donating it to the family charity!)
Sorry, don't do HTML in posts because I don't do anything but screw it up.
Anyway, this is a link where Fraunhoffer is claiming patents against other formats. (There's only 3 there, but wait until they get the research arm going.)
Now, if you've clean room engineered an algorithm from scratch, does a patent hold water? If so, why? I mean besides the different arguments about compression is compression and compression theory is compression theory? So if any of these formats were clean room engineered, do they have a claim?
I think Thomson and Fraunhoffer are getting *way* too greedy here, similar to the whole GIF fiasco. Solution is to move to another format. (I'm not pushing OGG.:P I'm pushing AN ALTERNATIVE.)
True. I went from 5400 RPM to 7200 RPM on the spindle speed. (I hadn't thought about that until you mentioned it.) (Actually the old 4GB I had in there was about 4 years old. I don't even know what the speed on it was/is. I have an old Maxtor 540 if anyone wants it for historical purposes.:))
*ponder* I don't know though. Above and beyond faster speed I feel like ATA/66 is making a diff. Probably a psychological effect.;)
I have about 200 to 230 fonts, and use most of the Adobe line of products. (Specs: Athlon 700, 256MB, FIC board [don't flame, it's the only damned Athlon board I could find local after my Asus went overboard!], ATA/66 drives, Win 2000) I just upgraded to the ATA/66 drives; WOW! Do they make a difference!
The other thing I did to dramatically increase my working speed was make my second (6GB) drive as a swap drive only.;) This helped speed up work whenever the drive was accessed.
I *really* can't stand anything less than 1024x768 on my computer because I run with so many things open.
With that said, look at the LCD screens. A lot of them are *very* high resolution, and *very* clear. (I'd give my first born cat for one.)
However, on my LCD screen I run 1024x768 and it's clear as day at 15" (14.7" viewable.;p) Now, on my 17" monitor (15.6" viewable?!) 1024x768 looks like absolute crap. (I need a new monitor, bad.)
Answer: resolution on a 15" laptop screen depends on screen quality more so than size.;)
I think there's a great deal of validity to Akamai refusing to filter content; why should they? Not only would you have the expected screams from their advertisers, think about what happens when Akami views "breast" or "penis" as a not bad word, and some right wing Christian group wants any reference to the human body removed; where does a content provider like Akamai draw the line?
Plus this doesn't seem so useful. The Akamai links look pretty complex; how are you supposed to know where web sites are? Hit and miss?
This is the same web site that sued the RIAA "before the RIAA could sue them" as an effective countermeasure to being shut down after MP3.com was sued. (Reuters article, don't have a link handy, was posted on Slashdot I believe.)
I have to admit that mp3board.com looks pretty much like it's *just* a search engine, but the various categories that it includes *does* make it look bad. (I. e. "illegal MP3s", etc.) Also, the "Top Ten Downloaded" MP3 list including nothing but big name bands also can't be good.
Still this is funny, unless mp3board is counting on the bad publicity to help drive hits before they get shut down. (Suicide pact?)
IANAL but the basic premise of the lawsuit seems to be hilarious and pretty similar to "I'm going to sue the phone company for servicing phone lines because I'm getting phone threats." Or, take the "Napster is nothing more than a service provider and not liable for content" theories and apply to Gnutella.
BTW, if Gnutella was never officially sanctioned by AOL and AOL pulled the plug on it, can they be held responsible for the open sourcing of it?
And, not to mention, that MP3Board allows searching of "HTTP" and "Gnutella". Ack?
We use your service, let's sue the person that created the original, which was reverse engineered and created clean room, because we don't want to be held responsible for our own actions.
Between my machines I have.. 115GB. (60GB in one drive I just got though.) I've used 50GB up.
My personal machine has 30GB on it. And yea, it's pretty much full. (Diablo II is 1.5GB alone! Come on. Icewind Dale is 2GB. Keep adding without removing..:-))
1. He can, because he's high priced.
2. His kids wanted him too.
3. He believes it impacts the future of technology. (Paraphrased quote: "This case is important, if not one of the most important.")
What more do you want, a breakdown on his moral and ethical beliefs on how Napster is a service provider and no more liable for the content than a publisher, telephone company, or ISP?
I've had DSL for roughly four months now, extended service I'm supposed to be paying $90 USD for.
Haven't been billed yet because some schmuck in their install department forgot to mark my order complete. (I kid you not. Everytime I call to get it reconnected I get "You're using DSL? With static IPs? We don't show that, we show you as being not installed yet!" Then I go through the procedure of explaining Yes! I have DSL! and they fix it but never fix the "not installed yet" indicator.)
Crossover cable works, or my setup: modem plugged into my hub via crossover cable, and two cables going from my hub to the Linksys router. The WAN port plugs into the uplink port on my hub (acting as a crossover) - why?
I have 5 static IPs, but 12 computers.;P 4 of my machines are servers and need direct access to the 'Net. The Linksys router acts as a NAT router for the rest of the machines.
Lovin' that little baby! Better was that when I had to use PPPoE the router supported it, so to get my machines up and running I had to install -0- software.
And I paid $200 for it because I wanted it// right now// and I still don't regret it.:-)
(BTW my "modem" is a bridge. Are all DSL "modems" actually bridges?)
Look at the abuse of other prisoners.
Look at the legal observer who got tagged.
Look at the excessive bails. Fugitives? From misdemeanors? Why is bail set higher for a misdemeanor than for a murderer? Why?
Do you think that all these people would come together and lie? That they would agree on all the details?
God, someone get the ACLU in here.
No, you may not agree with what these people do.
Mob violence// may// have come into play.
Do the Philly police have media to show the mob violence? If they do, I haven't found// any// signs of it and I've been looking now for a good twenty minutes.
Do I like the KKK? No. I think they're despicable. BUT THE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROTEST.
Do I like the Republican Party? No.// I// have the right to protest.
Do I think that anyone who takes another life needlessly and brutally should live more than ten minutes? (Please note, this is a summary argument; don't flame me for this as I do have a basis for this opinion.) No. But the people who do believe he should HAVE THE RIGHT OF PROTEST.
Our Bill of Rights means nothing, when the safety of the masses "comes into play." But the masses are those who have the money, not the true people of the country.
When we sit back and say "protect the many" are we protecting the many? Or are we trying to break the resistance? Our political system breaks more and more every day, by abuse for the government, and yes, by abuse against the government.
I don't blame the government entirely, btw. The lawyers who sued for the thief who fell down the flight of stairs while carrying a television he stole because "there was no stairwell and wasn't appropriate lighting" and// won?// That lawyer is just as despicable to me as the policeman who kicks a political activist in the stomach.
Some of you bitch because CmdrTaco uses Slashdot as a vehicle for his political views. FUCK THAT! We, and CmdrTaco,// SHOULD// use Slashdot for whatever vehicle we can. It is a recognized presence on the web and in the world (I see it quoted in two or more news stories a// day//. Not just Linux, but everything). We have the power of media, let's use it!
I wish I had the link, but here's what happened during the World Series:
Those banners on the wall weren't really there, or if they were there, they were different than what you say. They had a realtime substitution of other banners.
Basically what you think you're seeing on television ISN'T what you're seeing. And it's there, in the show, so yea..
Pretty subliminal to me, but I don't watch television, unless it's Blue's Clues with my son.:p
Same thing with Friends - they had an episode where a thing of Oreos sat on the counter - they weren't there during filming, they were added post process.
Slashdot Mirror
I didn't see the Copyright Office comment listed. (Actually, I only found 30 original comments; is that accurate?)
I for one did not submit simply because 1) IANAL and 2) I would end up ranting and raving, and that serves no purpose.
-- Talonius
Hardware specs aren't that bad. I have Server (no, it's not AS, but it's damned close) running downstairs on an AMD K6-2 300 with 64MB of RAM. Yea, it was a long time to install, but it runs fairly well now acting as my SMTP server and my web host.
-- Talonius
I'll have to agree with you. Setting RRAS up downstairs on Win2K was abysmal, and finding information to help me along was hairy as hell.
:-)
However, I'm not a Linux geek (nyet) so I stuck with it. End result is I'm extremely satisfied with the performance and stability.
I've had four machines running Win2K for roughly three months now. No reboots. Only powerdowns was power loss. (Damn St. Louis storms.) *shrug*
Works for me.
--Talonius
It would be a good idea for all of the authors of code in KDE (more precisely, all of the copyright holders) to make a clear statement that linking their code with Qt in the past was done with their permission, thus assuring existing KDE users that they have not forfeited distribution rights to that KDE code.
I don't understand what the KDE developers have against doing this. I don't see where this would be a liability on their part, and it would simply move their product ahead.
Also, where code was copied from other GPL-covered programs, their copyright holders need to be asked for forgiveness. To lead the way, the FSF hereby grants this forgiveness for all code that is copyright FSF.
Okay, I can see where their in trouble with that.But GNOME is here, and is not going to disappear. GNOME and KDE will remain two rival desktops, unless some day they can be merged in some way. Until then, the GNU Project is going to support its own team vigorously. Go get 'em, gnomes!
Someone mentioned above "this is the spirit of free software?" Yes, it is! This is COMPETITION! This is the driving force behind most people, whether they realize it or not. Without competition, products become stale. (Yes, you can use Windows here as an example if you'd like. However, look at W2K once Linux began to establish a foothold.) Anyway..
I'd like to see KDE included with more packages simply to give people the alternative, if nothing else. Remember that Linux is about choice; forcing something on someone simply because it has "always followed the license" or because it's the FSF favorite is simply absurd.
-- Talonius
P. S. For anyone who objects to me quoting from the article, most people I know who read Slashdot read the headlines and comments, not the article. I think that's gives you a very twisted view, but whatever floats their boat.
"There are legitimate times when, acting as an authorized agent of a corporation, you attempt to break your own stuff. This is the nature of the biz. Sometimes, you dont know if something is going to work, until you try and break it."
:P)
As an example I had to terminate an employee a few months back. Recently, I ran into a router whose password wouldn't work. After checking other routers, I found a total of 7 routers whose passwords had been changed which I didn't have easy physical access to. "PasswordListGenerator" and "Brutus" (don't have URLs at home, sorry) saved my company several thousand dollars in travel costs due to the former employee changing passwords and forgetting to document them. (I am in no way, shape, or form saying these changes were malicious, as they followed our definition and contained nothing libelous.
That was three days of brute force. Thank God I'm not in Oregon, or I would be in jail right now.
-- Talonius
Microsoft has aimed their software at the "enterprise level." I disagree with that. Their use of Unix internally (and we all know it's true, with or without disgruntled ex-employee corroboration) simply shows their software is *not* ready for the billion dollar enterprise.
Don't get me wrong, it's a decent workstation OS, and their products are excellent for the small to medium business who doesn't have time to hire and/or support an entire IT department around Unix. (Please don't flame me with "such and such" is easy to setup and configure under Unix. Installing Unix [and Linux] is still beyond the task of most normal people, okay?) It simply wasn't built from the beginning with enterprise scalability and reliability in mind, and there's way too much legacy code being dragged around to make it stable. (You can argue whether Microsoft supports that legacy code as a customer support initiative or simply to lock you in to their systems; that's up in the air. [Consider: Windows 2000 breaks all existing apps. You now have a clear chance to break free and use something entirely different, or stay within Microsoft. You choose, but the normal effect of throwing away years of legacy code by leaving Microsoft no longer matters.])
Anyway, my opinion is that Microsoft's stuff is good for the small to mid sized business, not the enterprise level business. Microsoft itself is an enterprise business. Thus, it cannot use its own products. What's wrong with that? Their IT department are the only people who have half a brain and make decisions based on information other than marketing? *shrug* Okay.
-- Talonius
Prerequisite for the programming classes. :>
:))
(Hey, it makes sense. How many people have you seen typing with two fingers?
-- Talonius
I haven't gone to a major college (never had a chance really) but the year I went they let me successfully test out of Intro C++, Intro Pascal, and typing [heh, I do roughly 110 wpm when I get going and I'm not using copy]. I paid the fees as if I had taken the classes, talked to the profs, took their exams and answered their [the profs] questions, and went on my merry way as a freshman in college with easy credit.
Schools are amazingly cooperative in this regard.
Now as for the unsupported operating system, geez! What IT person put THAT in place?
-- Talonius
..open source is very probably already linked to "pirating" and the like. The concept of what really goes on with the Web and the open source movement is so alien to people caught up in the material world.
"Why would you *give* something away you spent weeks and months on?"
That was a question someone asked me. I mean, working and not getting paid for it just doesn't happen in the current world. (Hell, I bet my son will force me to pay him $30 to mow the lawn instead of donating it to the family charity!)
Oh well.
-- Talonius
http://www.mp3licensing.com/other/index.html
:P I'm pushing AN ALTERNATIVE.)
Sorry, don't do HTML in posts because I don't do anything but screw it up.
Anyway, this is a link where Fraunhoffer is claiming patents against other formats. (There's only 3 there, but wait until they get the research arm going.)
Now, if you've clean room engineered an algorithm from scratch, does a patent hold water? If so, why? I mean besides the different arguments about compression is compression and compression theory is compression theory? So if any of these formats were clean room engineered, do they have a claim?
I think Thomson and Fraunhoffer are getting *way* too greedy here, similar to the whole GIF fiasco. Solution is to move to another format. (I'm not pushing OGG.
Anyway..
-- Talonius
True. I went from 5400 RPM to 7200 RPM on the spindle speed. (I hadn't thought about that until you mentioned it.) (Actually the old 4GB I had in there was about 4 years old. I don't even know what the speed on it was/is. I have an old Maxtor 540 if anyone wants it for historical purposes. :))
;)
*ponder* I don't know though. Above and beyond faster speed I feel like ATA/66 is making a diff. Probably a psychological effect.
-- Talonius
What's your disk subsystem like?
;) This helped speed up work whenever the drive was accessed.
I have about 200 to 230 fonts, and use most of the Adobe line of products. (Specs: Athlon 700, 256MB, FIC board [don't flame, it's the only damned Athlon board I could find local after my Asus went overboard!], ATA/66 drives, Win 2000) I just upgraded to the ATA/66 drives; WOW! Do they make a difference!
The other thing I did to dramatically increase my working speed was make my second (6GB) drive as a swap drive only.
-- Talonius
I *really* can't stand anything less than 1024x768 on my computer because I run with so many things open.
;p) Now, on my 17" monitor (15.6" viewable?!) 1024x768 looks like absolute crap. (I need a new monitor, bad.)
;)
With that said, look at the LCD screens. A lot of them are *very* high resolution, and *very* clear. (I'd give my first born cat for one.)
However, on my LCD screen I run 1024x768 and it's clear as day at 15" (14.7" viewable.
Answer: resolution on a 15" laptop screen depends on screen quality more so than size.
-- Talonius
I think there's a great deal of validity to Akamai refusing to filter content; why should they? Not only would you have the expected screams from their advertisers, think about what happens when Akami views "breast" or "penis" as a not bad word, and some right wing Christian group wants any reference to the human body removed; where does a content provider like Akamai draw the line?
Plus this doesn't seem so useful. The Akamai links look pretty complex; how are you supposed to know where web sites are? Hit and miss?
-- Talonius
Actually he said that the rules could be overridden, but if he did that it would "amount to about 8000 manual entries."
Basically it's one of those "if you do it for one you have to do it for all" things.
-- Talonius
This is the same web site that sued the RIAA "before the RIAA could sue them" as an effective countermeasure to being shut down after MP3.com was sued. (Reuters article, don't have a link handy, was posted on Slashdot I believe.)
I have to admit that mp3board.com looks pretty much like it's *just* a search engine, but the various categories that it includes *does* make it look bad. (I. e. "illegal MP3s", etc.) Also, the "Top Ten Downloaded" MP3 list including nothing but big name bands also can't be good.
Still this is funny, unless mp3board is counting on the bad publicity to help drive hits before they get shut down. (Suicide pact?)
IANAL but the basic premise of the lawsuit seems to be hilarious and pretty similar to "I'm going to sue the phone company for servicing phone lines because I'm getting phone threats." Or, take the "Napster is nothing more than a service provider and not liable for content" theories and apply to Gnutella.
BTW, if Gnutella was never officially sanctioned by AOL and AOL pulled the plug on it, can they be held responsible for the open sourcing of it?
And, not to mention, that MP3Board allows searching of "HTTP" and "Gnutella". Ack?
We use your service, let's sue the person that created the original, which was reverse engineered and created clean room, because we don't want to be held responsible for our own actions.
Wow, this is jumpy.
Talonius
Between my machines I have.. 115GB. (60GB in one drive I just got though.) I've used 50GB up.
:-))
My personal machine has 30GB on it. And yea, it's pretty much full. (Diablo II is 1.5GB alone! Come on. Icewind Dale is 2GB. Keep adding without removing..
-- Talonius
He states why, in a roundabout way.
It basically boils down to:
1. He can, because he's high priced.
2. His kids wanted him too.
3. He believes it impacts the future of technology. (Paraphrased quote: "This case is important, if not one of the most important.")
What more do you want, a breakdown on his moral and ethical beliefs on how Napster is a service provider and no more liable for the content than a publisher, telephone company, or ISP?
-- Talonius
Heh.
I've had DSL for roughly four months now, extended service I'm supposed to be paying $90 USD for.
Haven't been billed yet because some schmuck in their install department forgot to mark my order complete. (I kid you not. Everytime I call to get it reconnected I get "You're using DSL? With static IPs? We don't show that, we show you as being not installed yet!" Then I go through the procedure of explaining Yes! I have DSL! and they fix it but never fix the "not installed yet" indicator.)
Gotta love beauracracies in some cases.
-- Talonius
Don't blame SBC for the 128k up problem. Drop your PPoE software and the overhead it incurs, and you'll be running at 128k.
I know, I went to static IPs without PPoE and I run straight even at 384k and 128k.
I was told there's a cap on my line due to the "voice line quality being an 8 and it needs to be a 3." What-the-fuck-ever.
(I'm 8,000 ft from the CO.)
--Talonius
Crossover cable works, or my setup: modem plugged into my hub via crossover cable, and two cables going from my hub to the Linksys router. The WAN port plugs into the uplink port on my hub (acting as a crossover) - why?
;P 4 of my machines are servers and need direct access to the 'Net. The Linksys router acts as a NAT router for the rest of the machines.
// right now // and I still don't regret it. :-)
I have 5 static IPs, but 12 computers.
Lovin' that little baby! Better was that when I had to use PPPoE the router supported it, so to get my machines up and running I had to install -0- software.
And I paid $200 for it because I wanted it
(BTW my "modem" is a bridge. Are all DSL "modems" actually bridges?)
-- Talonius
Look beyond the 2600 staffer; he's a side issue.
// may // have come into play.
// any // signs of it and I've been looking now for a good twenty minutes.
// I // have the right to protest.
// won? // That lawyer is just as despicable to me as the policeman who kicks a political activist in the stomach.
// SHOULD // use Slashdot for whatever vehicle we can. It is a recognized presence on the web and in the world (I see it quoted in two or more news stories a // day //. Not just Linux, but everything). We have the power of media, let's use it!
Look at the abuse of other prisoners.
Look at the legal observer who got tagged.
Look at the excessive bails. Fugitives? From misdemeanors? Why is bail set higher for a misdemeanor than for a murderer? Why?
Do you think that all these people would come together and lie? That they would agree on all the details?
God, someone get the ACLU in here.
No, you may not agree with what these people do.
Mob violence
Do the Philly police have media to show the mob violence? If they do, I haven't found
Do I like the KKK? No. I think they're despicable. BUT THE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROTEST.
Do I like the Republican Party? No.
Do I think that anyone who takes another life needlessly and brutally should live more than ten minutes? (Please note, this is a summary argument; don't flame me for this as I do have a basis for this opinion.) No. But the people who do believe he should HAVE THE RIGHT OF PROTEST.
Our Bill of Rights means nothing, when the safety of the masses "comes into play." But the masses are those who have the money, not the true people of the country.
When we sit back and say "protect the many" are we protecting the many? Or are we trying to break the resistance? Our political system breaks more and more every day, by abuse for the government, and yes, by abuse against the government.
I don't blame the government entirely, btw. The lawyers who sued for the thief who fell down the flight of stairs while carrying a television he stole because "there was no stairwell and wasn't appropriate lighting" and
Some of you bitch because CmdrTaco uses Slashdot as a vehicle for his political views. FUCK THAT! We, and CmdrTaco,
-- Talonius
Advertising is already changing.
:p
I wish I had the link, but here's what happened during the World Series:
Those banners on the wall weren't really there, or if they were there, they were different than what you say. They had a realtime substitution of other banners.
Basically what you think you're seeing on television ISN'T what you're seeing. And it's there, in the show, so yea..
Pretty subliminal to me, but I don't watch television, unless it's Blue's Clues with my son.
Same thing with Friends - they had an episode where a thing of Oreos sat on the counter - they weren't there during filming, they were added post process.
-- Talonius
(and this is ** WAY ** off topic)
.COM address?
that even the usps wasn't satisfied with something LESS than a
www.usps.gov has moved..
..to new.ups.com!
What a sickening thing.
--Talonius
Napster has yet to post profit. ;)
--Talonius