There are all sorts of ways to manage this in a practical fashion. I'm not saying there are no down sides to this approach, but using frames has far more downsides and maintenance issues.
My main email address has been in use 10 years, I post everywhere with it. It gets filtered at Spamcop. I only spend a few minutes each day, often only 30 secounds, checking the emails that need confirmation, then send them through to my ISP. Everything else is blocked. I don't have problems with legit people contacting me. I get very few emails that actually end up in my mail box that are spam. I'm happy to pay an annual fee for this service. Thanks Spamcop:-)
and could be a little more upfront and honest about it's product.
After reading this article I don't feel it gives a balanced view of Xandros at all. I'll tell you my experience.
It installed fine off the CD, even detected winmodems and installed them correctly. They have to be congratulated on getting so much of this right. In general it is a great desktop Linux, but beware of the pitfalls, some other issues come to bite you only after being showered with positive press releases and simple installer satisfaction.
First problem, don't approach apt-get the same as you would in any other Debian distro. There is nothing I found in the documentation to warn you of this, in fact you are encouraged that Xandros is compatible with installing any *.deb. Not so. I made the mistake of putting the local Sarge mirror in my sources.list and running apt-get upgrade (after I had run the initial update directly from Xandros Networks). If I wasn't supposed to do this there should have been an explicit warning. What happened was a conflict with the Xandros and Debian Sarge KDE files and my system failed to boot, fresh install, lesson learned, or so I had thought.
You can't run apt-cdrom either, it doesn't catalogue the CDs correctly, I did this on both Debian Sarge and Debian Woody r2.
During the last install, and install of seemingly unrelated package off the Debian Sarge CD, it blew away Xandros Networks, which is the UI you have to use to install anything off the CD.
In my case, it would not cache anything to/var/cache/apt/archives as it is supposed to. It would not be as painful if I could have made backups, but with none of the updates backedup to cache as it should be, the install and updates have to start over again, and this is a slow, costly and tedious process.
It usually takes me 3 days to get a reply from support, and this seems normal from what I see on the Xandros support forums. For licenses that allow you support for only 30/60/90 days, depending on license type, this is hopeless for a commercial product. And it wouldn't take much to hire some more support staff. would it?
Here's some quotes from support
The Xandros desktop is based on Debian, that being said it is not %100
compatibile with packages that come from the debian project. In order
to keep your system functioning well, do not use the apt-get upgrade
or dist-ugprade options when pointing to apt sources other than the
Xandros Distribution site.
and
I'm not sure where Xandros Networks went to but i
suspect that when you installed the debian packages it caused a
conflict with one of the existing packages that is related to Xandros
Networks so it was removed. It's probably best to do a
reinstallation, to be sure you have a stable system.
and
Yes adding packages from debian is very much fraught with danger,
please be careful. There are many discussions on our forums about this
issue and solutions for making it easier or at least harder to mess up
your system.
They have to do a lot better, otherwise they might start winning the corporate desktop, but they are also going to get a lot of people pissed of with Linux.
Also, I really find it hard to believe the one about almost 150 users not realising it wasn't Windows when they logged in. Of all the people I have meet locked to a Windows Desktop, I don't think any of them are that dumb.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention I don't mind a good text based installer at all if Debian has to do that for cross platform support, just as long as it is user friendly and has a logical workflow.
I've had Woody running before but trashed it because I had trouble updating JDK to the latest version, although I find apt-get in general, fine.
Because I'm on a slow modem, I purchase a 12 set Sarge CDs (4 April burn). The problem I had was that it required a net connection to check for security updates during installation. I was given an option of doing this (Y/N). If I choose yes, it dialed into my ISP, logged on OK, but then dropped the line (which some of my Linux/FreeBSD installs do). After this, there is no recovery. The same if I choose N, the install just hung every time.
I looked through the Debian Installer bug list and couldn't find any reference to such a bug and just concluded (probably falsely) that everyone installing Debian had a good net connection.
To me this is poor design. It's really offputting when any software shows such problems with the install that is obviously poor design and implementation in the installer.
I'm having different problems with trying to install Xandros, then after that build a complete Debian server behind it. But that's something I'll take up with Xandros.
Most of their products are written in MacApp Application Frameworks(as far as I can remember), then they wrote cross platform libraries to port their apps to other operating systems. That's why you get Mac looking dialog boxes, etc, regardless of platform.
Looking at the link to MacApp, it is no longer actively supported by Apple. Maybe this has something to do with it... but then again, if it did, it will affect Photoshop and all their other core products first developed on the Mac. Unless they have been working on porting the frameworks or something???
I have a friend living in Dnepropetrovsk and she says that most children in the vicinity have a weaker immune system and suffer allergies and all sorts of ailments.
If you look at that IRC count and rank that as popularity, you could be right.
But someone else might look at that and see Drupal:16 Plone:76, the Drupal users found what they needed in the docs and forums so didn't need to go on IRC, where the Plone users needed too.
Again, for all the good points you are presenting, why is this not clearly documented on the Plone web site. Then users would know what type of CMS and developer community they are getting. There might be a larger adoption base and larger customer satisfaction rating.
It may be great for developers. But what if I am a manager of a small to medium publication (wasn't Zope first developed for a newspaper publication?), I'm looking for something. I do want real information about this product. I look through the web site and download the Plone book. Really, the book nor web site do the Plone community any justice as a true knowledge base.
If it is such a good product, and if it really should be deployed more, then what everyone is saying here needs to be presented on the web site and in the book.
Also, I see a lot of people really frustrated by the Zope books out there. Maybe there is need for just one good Plone/Zope book.
Industry is littered with a history of superior products failing, why, because often they were not presented or marketed appropriately.
You're missing my point. If you want to showcase a product such as a CMS, then make your site show it's features so that users can see these features in action. Why can't a forum discussion module be built into Plone? Why can't it get a feed from GNAME and incorporate it into Plone. Show us what it can do. What this says is "It's too difficult" or "we don't consider discussion forums worthwhile". Doesn't really make sense. From a community point of view Plone.org still looks like a ghost town to me (regardless of the good people involved).
I used Zope for a site was back in 99, and a great thing about Zope was you could grab a product, just plug it in, and away you go, but it's amazing, so many of those great products never evolved much or just died. So I ask you, what is really happening there, cause I followed the discussion at the time and a lot of the developers felt frustrated that they could not really achieve what they were aiming for, but were more hopeful in Zope 3.
I think you also missed my point on resources too. Talk to someone who is a SysAdmin about Zope compared to a Perl/DBI system or PHP/SQL. Most of them wonder what's hit their box. Maybe this was because they didn't optimize it. Also, what you are saying also needs complete control of the box. Zope is one of those apps you want to dedicate a box for.
I've looked through your comments on Slashdot, and when it comes to Plone/Zope you seem to have extensive knowledge and experience. I'm sure that there are many Plone users/developers out there with similar expertise. Now all I am saying is... I take a look at the Plone book, and online docs, and all I get is a hint of what Plone is. When I look at the Cocoon docs, I get very good coverage of that product. What I am saying is the average CMS person comes along, and does not find it very helpful. The Plone book should be a lot lot better. I'm not getting much of a hint of the power and flexibility of Plone, that I get from you, from the Plone site. That's an incredible self inflicted disservice to Plone/Zope that the docs and Plone.org so poorly represent Zope/Plone.
Just say I build a site for someone. That someone wants something that is pretty easy to use, or has a great user base for learning and resolving problems. Not technical problems, just howtos. That person does not have a large budget. Now, I am probably going to use the product which I consider to have the best User documentation and the best online help forums. Now even if Plone is right up the top of the list technically, I am probably not going to use it cause I am wanting to look for something that will have a good community interface so my client is happy with the support.
I'm not really moaning about Plone. Potentially it's a great product. What I am saying is that if the Plone development community wants to engage the user community more, there are some things they need to address.
and there are plenty, as stated by many here, the problems I see with it are;
Why isn't the Plone site a bazaar for the Plone community? Most other sites like Drupal show a very active community, but Plone.org seems like a ghost town compared to the others; no online discussion forum, which is a much better interface than email, especially when a new user wants to just check in and see what's happening. This scares a lot of users off, because this should be the centre of activity for a community. Zope/Plone/Python developers seem to tend to be focusing on consulting businesses, that's great, there's nothing wrong with that, but if that is the case, then Plone will remain a niche CMS because it does not function like other OSDNs. As a consequence it is not going to get the community involvement as other OSDNs do
Resource hungry and no ability to write to a static htdocs dir. I know there are caching mechanisms in the Plone book, but it still does not really address this need. This may not be an issue for many of you that can run your own server and connection, and just throw resources at it, but for those of us who want a solution even running on a dedicated server (which usually have very little RAM), it can be a resource hog. Then, on top of that, having to dynamically serve content, that might just as well be served statically, is a huge price to pay on your server. There should be a way to use this app as a publishing tool and write the production version in static html as an option.
These are two issues I think the Plone/Zope community need to address if they want to be seen as a very accessible solution, because a lot of users will see it as a great solution to implement, start building something, then when it starts to really get difficult, the only real solution left is to hire a Python/Zope developer or consultancy, cause there just is not enough real solutions in online forums or documentation.
You can use a lot of other CMSs without having to become an expert under the hood, but everyone here is saying it's easy if you just read a bit of code. That's okay if you are either a great coder or dedicated to this CMSs path, but not for someone that may be just involved in web publishing and comes to Plone/Zope hoping for a complete web based interface solution. After all, isn't this the intention of Plone/Zope?
This scares off a lot of potential adopters. Even Cocoon and Axkit are better documented and have a lots of user discussion (admittedly on email lists)
A lot of people with disabilities are liberated by the services on the net. Email liberates them via an alternate method for correspondence where they would normally have to send snail mail (go out, buy stamps and stationary and post it), a lot of disabled people do their grocery shopping online, their banking, bill paying, etc.
At web accessibility conferences I find so many people with disabilities feel so incredibly liberated by computer technology. Most are just so thankful for it.
They could complain a lot about in-accessible sites, but it just doesn't seem to be their nature, they are mostly so grateful when they do find anything that assists or aids them to do tasks, tasks that are easy for us, but difficult for them.
Usability is associated with the studies of Human Computer Interaction (HCI), it's quite a broad field, with professionals in many areas of research and application, including engineering ergonomic devices.
As far as I know the problem isn't so much with Apache2 but with the changing API and modules because they haven't been rewritten/debugged to the specs of A2 to take advantage of it's architecture.
Apache 2: Improvements Are Obvious, But Upgrade Choices Aren't
I registered one of my Australian domain names through Namescout.com(.au). The products they try and divert you into on the way is off-putting but the management interface is quit good, so I thought to transfer some of my other domains over, as they seemed to be the cheapest in Oz. But in the process of doing so I came across a form that stated charges stated in USD would be converted at their own conversion rate of $1.91 AUD = $1 USD (in small grey text) instead of $1.45 AUD = $1 USD, which was the rate at that particular time. So I emailed them to ask why? Here's the discussion.
On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:47:36 +1000 you wrote:
I just transferred a domain name across to you yesterday. I was shocked that you would have charged me at a rate that based $1.91 AUD to $1 USD?
Why is this so out of date? It's currently around $1.45 AUD = $1 USD
Yours truly, GD
NS Reply
Hello, thank you for your email.
Our current advertised exchange rate is $1.65 = $1 US and these rates are set and reviewed regularly by our accounting department. Unfortunately we cannot constantly update the rate, for example, on a daily basis as the new rate must be programmed into our system which is a completely manual process. Instead they must set an average rate and update it occasionally.
If you have any questions, please email us at this address or call us at +1 613 768 5140, 7am - 10pm EST, Monday to Friday. You can also fax us at +1 613 820 0777.
Sincerely, Jamie H Customer Service www.namescout.com ---------
My Reply
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:03:34 +1000 you wrote:
Are you trying to tell me that a company that can manage DNS records cannot retrieve daily exchange rate data and add them to their system? And anyway, why should you have to do so. My goodness James, there are thousands of companies doing this, surely you're not that inept? You charged me AUD exact for the domain name registration, why does you policy now change? Why is this so difficult?
Sincerely GD
NS Reply
Hello, thank you for your email.
With how our system is currently built, in order to modify the exchange rate, many different pieces of code must be manually updated. Unfortunately this is a lengthy process and as a result, there is no way to constantly update the exchange rate as it changes. Instead, when the exchange rate settles at a specific level, then our accounting department decides upon an average rate and then monitors the rate so when it comes to a point where the rate has settled at a new level, then the work is begun to update it again.
I do apologize if this current system does not meet your expectations and I can assure you we are always looking for ways to improve our services, which does include our account and billing systems. You concerns have been noted with management.
If you have any questions, please email us at this address or call us at +1 613 768 5140, 7am - 10pm EST, Monday to Friday. You can also fax us at +1 613 820 0777.
Sincerely, Jamie H Customer Service
Needless to say I didn't continue with the transfer. It's a question of being upfront with your charges, and not hide them behind dodgy accounting and poor excuses. It's almost a comedy routine.
But one could still use them to register the new domains cheaply and then transfer to someone else (without hidden costs)
Actually, from what everyone else is saying here, I think you are probably correct. That is good news (for the time being... I wonder how many spammer read this site?). I'll go back to using that technique and monitor it.
Oh, I should add, I saw a guy with a site a long time ago (can't remember the site). He had dummy mailtos on his site with an explicit message that they were there to identify spam bots. His main address was deciphered from a simple sentence. He stated on his site that he was easily able to sort out who were the spam bot harvesters. This was back half a decade ago too.
We were using this technique at csu.edu.au back in 97. I suggested it again on a mailing list recently and most of the knowledgable users on it all said that most spam bots harvest this character set as a normal course of action now.
You can configure most office suites to display the document properties dialog on save. I'm sure you could also build templates with macros that would check and update these. Yes, it's a real problem and most businesses do not have strategies to address it. It's a document management issue very few address.
It's a similar problem with web publishing; there is little or no metadata to identify documents. I've always thought that the Dublin Core set would serve as a very good repository for a kind of CVS on the status of documents. Have wanted to build a back end to something like Apache/Cocoon using this model, which would also serve as the data repository for populating both the metadata in the web documents and also all the other data for semantics and accessibility, all done on the fly out of a DC metadata repository.
When I ordered "Red Hat Linux Personal 9 + Official Red Hat Linux User`s Guide" it came with the "Official Red Hat Linux User`s Guide" for version 8! I know there is hardly any difference, but it was never stated. What if I had bought it just for the docs, and already had 8? I'd be wasting money. I expected better practices than this. Fool am I.
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This is a legacy we all live with because of poor CMS design and architecture.
There are all sorts of ways to manage this in a practical fashion. I'm not saying there are no down sides to this approach, but using frames has far more downsides and maintenance issues.
If you want a frame like interface use absolute positioning of the menu content in CSS.
My main email address has been in use 10 years, I post everywhere with it. It gets filtered at Spamcop. I only spend a few minutes each day, often only 30 secounds, checking the emails that need confirmation, then send them through to my ISP. Everything else is blocked. I don't have problems with legit people contacting me. I get very few emails that actually end up in my mail box that are spam. I'm happy to pay an annual fee for this service. Thanks Spamcop:-)
and could be a little more upfront and honest about it's product.
After reading this article I don't feel it gives a balanced view of Xandros at all. I'll tell you my experience.
It installed fine off the CD, even detected winmodems and installed them correctly. They have to be congratulated on getting so much of this right. In general it is a great desktop Linux, but beware of the pitfalls, some other issues come to bite you only after being showered with positive press releases and simple installer satisfaction.
First problem, don't approach apt-get the same as you would in any other Debian distro. There is nothing I found in the documentation to warn you of this, in fact you are encouraged that Xandros is compatible with installing any *.deb. Not so. I made the mistake of putting the local Sarge mirror in my sources.list and running apt-get upgrade (after I had run the initial update directly from Xandros Networks). If I wasn't supposed to do this there should have been an explicit warning. What happened was a conflict with the Xandros and Debian Sarge KDE files and my system failed to boot, fresh install, lesson learned, or so I had thought.
You can't run apt-cdrom either, it doesn't catalogue the CDs correctly, I did this on both Debian Sarge and Debian Woody r2.
During the last install, and install of seemingly unrelated package off the Debian Sarge CD, it blew away Xandros Networks, which is the UI you have to use to install anything off the CD.
In my case, it would not cache anything to /var/cache/apt/archives as it is supposed to. It would not be as painful if I could have made backups, but with none of the updates backedup to cache as it should be, the install and updates have to start over again, and this is a slow, costly and tedious process.
It usually takes me 3 days to get a reply from support, and this seems normal from what I see on the Xandros support forums. For licenses that allow you support for only 30/60/90 days, depending on license type, this is hopeless for a commercial product. And it wouldn't take much to hire some more support staff. would it?
Here's some quotes from support
and
and
They have to do a lot better, otherwise they might start winning the corporate desktop, but they are also going to get a lot of people pissed of with Linux.
Also, I really find it hard to believe the one about almost 150 users not realising it wasn't Windows when they logged in. Of all the people I have meet locked to a Windows Desktop, I don't think any of them are that dumb.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention I don't mind a good text based installer at all if Debian has to do that for cross platform support, just as long as it is user friendly and has a logical workflow.
I've had Woody running before but trashed it because I had trouble updating JDK to the latest version, although I find apt-get in general, fine.
Because I'm on a slow modem, I purchase a 12 set Sarge CDs (4 April burn). The problem I had was that it required a net connection to check for security updates during installation. I was given an option of doing this (Y/N). If I choose yes, it dialed into my ISP, logged on OK, but then dropped the line (which some of my Linux/FreeBSD installs do). After this, there is no recovery. The same if I choose N, the install just hung every time.
I looked through the Debian Installer bug list and couldn't find any reference to such a bug and just concluded (probably falsely) that everyone installing Debian had a good net connection.
To me this is poor design. It's really offputting when any software shows such problems with the install that is obviously poor design and implementation in the installer.
I'm having different problems with trying to install Xandros, then after that build a complete Debian server behind it. But that's something I'll take up with Xandros.
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Most of their products are written in MacApp Application Frameworks (as far as I can remember), then they wrote cross platform libraries to port their apps to other operating systems. That's why you get Mac looking dialog boxes, etc, regardless of platform.
Looking at the link to MacApp, it is no longer actively supported by Apple. Maybe this has something to do with it... but then again, if it did, it will affect Photoshop and all their other core products first developed on the Mac. Unless they have been working on porting the frameworks or something???
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I have a friend living in Dnepropetrovsk and she says that most children in the vicinity have a weaker immune system and suffer allergies and all sorts of ailments.
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If you look at that IRC count and rank that as popularity, you could be right.
But someone else might look at that and see Drupal:16 Plone:76, the Drupal users found what they needed in the docs and forums so didn't need to go on IRC, where the Plone users needed too.
Again, for all the good points you are presenting, why is this not clearly documented on the Plone web site. Then users would know what type of CMS and developer community they are getting. There might be a larger adoption base and larger customer satisfaction rating.
It may be great for developers. But what if I am a manager of a small to medium publication (wasn't Zope first developed for a newspaper publication?), I'm looking for something. I do want real information about this product. I look through the web site and download the Plone book. Really, the book nor web site do the Plone community any justice as a true knowledge base.
If it is such a good product, and if it really should be deployed more, then what everyone is saying here needs to be presented on the web site and in the book.
Also, I see a lot of people really frustrated by the Zope books out there. Maybe there is need for just one good Plone/Zope book.
Industry is littered with a history of superior products failing, why, because often they were not presented or marketed appropriately.
You're missing my point. If you want to showcase a product such as a CMS, then make your site show it's features so that users can see these features in action. Why can't a forum discussion module be built into Plone? Why can't it get a feed from GNAME and incorporate it into Plone. Show us what it can do. What this says is "It's too difficult" or "we don't consider discussion forums worthwhile". Doesn't really make sense. From a community point of view Plone.org still looks like a ghost town to me (regardless of the good people involved).
I used Zope for a site was back in 99, and a great thing about Zope was you could grab a product, just plug it in, and away you go, but it's amazing, so many of those great products never evolved much or just died. So I ask you, what is really happening there, cause I followed the discussion at the time and a lot of the developers felt frustrated that they could not really achieve what they were aiming for, but were more hopeful in Zope 3.
I think you also missed my point on resources too. Talk to someone who is a SysAdmin about Zope compared to a Perl/DBI system or PHP/SQL. Most of them wonder what's hit their box. Maybe this was because they didn't optimize it. Also, what you are saying also needs complete control of the box. Zope is one of those apps you want to dedicate a box for.
I've looked through your comments on Slashdot, and when it comes to Plone/Zope you seem to have extensive knowledge and experience. I'm sure that there are many Plone users/developers out there with similar expertise. Now all I am saying is... I take a look at the Plone book, and online docs, and all I get is a hint of what Plone is. When I look at the Cocoon docs, I get very good coverage of that product. What I am saying is the average CMS person comes along, and does not find it very helpful. The Plone book should be a lot lot better. I'm not getting much of a hint of the power and flexibility of Plone, that I get from you, from the Plone site. That's an incredible self inflicted disservice to Plone/Zope that the docs and Plone.org so poorly represent Zope/Plone.
Just say I build a site for someone. That someone wants something that is pretty easy to use, or has a great user base for learning and resolving problems. Not technical problems, just howtos. That person does not have a large budget. Now, I am probably going to use the product which I consider to have the best User documentation and the best online help forums. Now even if Plone is right up the top of the list technically, I am probably not going to use it cause I am wanting to look for something that will have a good community interface so my client is happy with the support.
I'm not really moaning about Plone. Potentially it's a great product. What I am saying is that if the Plone development community wants to engage the user community more, there are some things they need to address.
These are two issues I think the Plone/Zope community need to address if they want to be seen as a very accessible solution, because a lot of users will see it as a great solution to implement, start building something, then when it starts to really get difficult, the only real solution left is to hire a Python/Zope developer or consultancy, cause there just is not enough real solutions in online forums or documentation.
You can use a lot of other CMSs without having to become an expert under the hood, but everyone here is saying it's easy if you just read a bit of code. That's okay if you are either a great coder or dedicated to this CMSs path, but not for someone that may be just involved in web publishing and comes to Plone/Zope hoping for a complete web based interface solution. After all, isn't this the intention of Plone/Zope?
This scares off a lot of potential adopters. Even Cocoon and Axkit are better documented and have a lots of user discussion (admittedly on email lists)
A lot of people with disabilities are liberated by the services on the net. Email liberates them via an alternate method for correspondence where they would normally have to send snail mail (go out, buy stamps and stationary and post it), a lot of disabled people do their grocery shopping online, their banking, bill paying, etc.
At web accessibility conferences I find so many people with disabilities feel so incredibly liberated by computer technology. Most are just so thankful for it.
They could complain a lot about in-accessible sites, but it just doesn't seem to be their nature, they are mostly so grateful when they do find anything that assists or aids them to do tasks, tasks that are easy for us, but difficult for them.
Usability is associated with the studies of Human Computer Interaction (HCI), it's quite a broad field, with professionals in many areas of research and application, including engineering ergonomic devices.
As far as I know the problem isn't so much with Apache2 but with the changing API and modules because they haven't been rewritten /debugged to the specs of A2 to take advantage of it's architecture.
Apache 2: Improvements Are Obvious, But Upgrade Choices Aren't
I registered one of my Australian domain names through Namescout.com(.au). The products they try and divert you into on the way is off-putting but the management interface is quit good, so I thought to transfer some of my other domains over, as they seemed to be the cheapest in Oz. But in the process of doing so I came across a form that stated charges stated in USD would be converted at their own conversion rate of $1.91 AUD = $1 USD (in small grey text) instead of $1.45 AUD = $1 USD, which was the rate at that particular time. So I emailed them to ask why? Here's the discussion.
On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:47:36 +1000 you wrote:
NS Reply My ReplyOn Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:03:34 +1000 you wrote:
NS ReplyNeedless to say I didn't continue with the transfer. It's a question of being upfront with your charges, and not hide them behind dodgy accounting and poor excuses. It's almost a comedy routine.
But one could still use them to register the new domains cheaply and then transfer to someone else (without hidden costs)
Actually, from what everyone else is saying here, I think you are probably correct. That is good news (for the time being... I wonder how many spammer read this site?). I'll go back to using that technique and monitor it.
Oh, I should add, I saw a guy with a site a long time ago (can't remember the site). He had dummy mailtos on his site with an explicit message that they were there to identify spam bots. His main address was deciphered from a simple sentence. He stated on his site that he was easily able to sort out who were the spam bot harvesters. This was back half a decade ago too.
We were using this technique at csu.edu.au back in 97. I suggested it again on a mailing list recently and most of the knowledgable users on it all said that most spam bots harvest this character set as a normal course of action now.
- Cocoon
- Dreamweaver Extentions
- TopStyle
- etc
There's GUI versions, command line versions, etc.You can configure most office suites to display the document properties dialog on save. I'm sure you could also build templates with macros that would check and update these. Yes, it's a real problem and most businesses do not have strategies to address it. It's a document management issue very few address.
It's a similar problem with web publishing; there is little or no metadata to identify documents. I've always thought that the Dublin Core set would serve as a very good repository for a kind of CVS on the status of documents. Have wanted to build a back end to something like Apache/Cocoon using this model, which would also serve as the data repository for populating both the metadata in the web documents and also all the other data for semantics and accessibility, all done on the fly out of a DC metadata repository.
When I ordered "Red Hat Linux Personal 9 + Official Red Hat Linux User`s Guide" it came with the "Official Red Hat Linux User`s Guide" for version 8! I know there is hardly any difference, but it was never stated. What if I had bought it just for the docs, and already had 8? I'd be wasting money. I expected better practices than this. Fool am I.