Correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of the widget stuff in Mozilla 5.0 was dependent on the renderer. This is why the switch to NGLayout/Raptor/Gecko completely affected the project, it changed everything.
I don't think making a new network library will be THAT big of a problem for the development cycle. If they keep the function names & parameters pretty much the same, it should just be a matter of swapping a few units.
Of course, that is an ideal outlook. But I guarantee you that it won't cause as big a mess as replacing the rendering engine did.
Download M4 and the other builds. You have a chance to really impact a product by running it, and submitting bugs. Try and make it crash, it's fun:)
The whole point of these Milestones packaged with the FullCircle software in them is to get people to give some general feedback on it. It's essential to the development of the product.
Or you CAN just sit back and wait, doing nothing - Bill Gates will be smiling down on you.
We don't need another idle CPU project to deminish the power behing more useful projects such as distributed.net.
Nobody is forcing you to use your CPU idle time. It's voluntary. And how is distributed.net more useful? It's just a game of luck with no purpose, see who can find the key the fastest. We already know it can be done, it's been done before. Woopee-dee.
There is no chance that people are going to find alien life this way - so why bother.
Why bother? Because there is no chance that we are going to find alien life by sitting on our asses. Yes, the chances are small, but a small chance is better than no chance.
We haveto think closer to home and work on getting the US government to change their policy on encryption.
I'm indifferent on this myself, but there are alot of other things that should come before that. Kosovo, medical research, etc.
If there was alien life don't you think they'd alreay have tried to contact us??
Exactly! Say ET is out there somewhere trying to find us. ET beams a big signal saying "hey, I'm here". But what good will that do if nobody is listening for it?
I've been watching SETI@Home for a while and have been dying to download the client. Sure, its fun to chip away at RC5, but we all know that RC5 64 bit will eventually be cracked given time.
With SETI@Home, you can use your idle time for something that may have a greater purpose down the road.
Bottom line is, brute force will eventually crack encryption. Woohoo. Increase the bits. Now that this new idea has come along, you have a chance to aid the search for intelligent life.
I got to see a de-classified video on the SDI project, and got to see a "real" railgun fire. Whoo-boy, that was cool. Those things fire at 24 miles a second and go through 5 feet of tempered steel like a hot knife through butter!
Hey, I've always had a perverse fascination with powerful devices:)
I really want to support mozilla.org, I think it's great. I want it to kick IE's ass, I want it to be a smack in Billy Gate's face.
I wrote to the Mozilla Wishlist once... with some idea's I had accumulated over the months. If anybody here is good in C++, you may want to take up one of my ideas as a project.
And if yer not a C++ guru, go to mozilla.org anyway and help out however you can. It's a great project, and I want it to be the best it can be.
Attached is the letter I sent to the wishlist.
-Fresh
+++++++
Dear Mozilla Team, Over the past few months, I have kept a text file of ideas that I thought up for Mozilla 5. It would be my pleasure to share these ideas with you, and it excites me how for the first time, with mozilla.org, I can have a part in influencing the design of one of my favorite programs, Netscape Communicator.
I have 3 big ideas that are major feature requests, some other ideas that would be easy to impliment and would be very useful, and a small list of crazy ideas that may or may not interest you.
I'd like to have someone reply to me with their opinion on each idea if that is possible.
Again, I really hope that you guys consider these ideas for Mozilla 5. And now, the rugged list of ideas for Netscape 5.0
you know how you have telnet://, gopher://, ftp:// ? It would be very easy to have these:
finger:// whois:// dns:// (resolve hostname to ip and vice versa) ping:// trace:// (traceroute)
etc. I'm telling you, it would be easy to do and I would LOVE it, it would make Netscape an all around net-utility belt and not add much bloat at all!
---------------------
Have a good download manager built in. Go!Zilla is a great tool. Heck, why don't you buy out GoZilla and add it to netscape?
It searches "Ftp search sites" for other download locations and tests the speed of each server, and lets you download from the fastest one. It supports canceling of a download (with ability to resume later)
this would be a must have feature. I really, really would like to see this, but please do not add "ads" like in SmartDownload. check out http://www.gozilla.com to see what i mean.
trust me on this one guys..
-----------------
maximum syntax guessing / Smart browsing.
if a user types in www.something.co and forgets to type the "m", then try contacting something.com IF something.co doesn't resolve / connect.
I'm sure you guys can think of an innovative way to handle these kinds of URL errors:
1) the address that they typed in didn't resolve or connect 2) the option for syntax guessing is enabled 3) the address typed is suitable for syntax guessing. for example, if a genius domain (www.something.com) didn't exist, then dont try fixing it.
=====--more ideas summed up in a line or 2--====
* multiple email accounts
* very advanced / expert email filters
* remembering site passwords
* full intellimouse support
* full screen viewing
* when you paste text from the clipboard that's multiline but contains a url, still read that url. IE, notepad is a multiline Edit control, and its possible to actually get a Carriage return / line feed before or after the actual URL. and when you paste it into the Netscape URL dropdown box, which is one line, the url doesn't show. If you dont know what im talking about, then forget it..
* support those blocks that can make a link underline or whatever when you move the mouse over it (like ie)
* consider including an ActiveX wrapper.
-*-begin crazy ideas-*-
* I miss Infoseek's "QuickSeek", which provided a very easy way to search InfoSeek. make it so you can type the following into the url box
?av tigers and it would search altavista for "tigers"
?is beer and it would search infoseek for beer.
--
* Align netscape.exe using WinAlign or something to make it load faster
* perhaps make it "work well" or even integrate with ICQ? (both of you are owned by aol now..)
* i dont think anybody needs the "set as wallpaper" popupmenu feature.
* consider VBscript support, if you're bored.
make a way for users of netscape to easily submit "wishlists" and programs ideas. let them know netscape cares.
---end ideas---
In closing, I hope you at the very least CONSIDER these ideas and their benefits to your users. Personally, I think that it would be a very good investment.
-- Andrew Niese / "Freshman" Fresh Software
*Opinions expressed by this email do not necessarily reflect of those of Fresh Software. *
"when great minds are put together, they think in exponentially greater ways" Samuel Sparling, 1998
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Well, that's a definate maybe. The K7 will be a SLOT and not a socket type chip, at least at first. I heard from a reliable source (Maximum PC Magazine) that AMD will eventually make a Socket7 version of its K7, but things can only go so far.
Looks like you will have to bite your lip, and wait and see.
bottom line is, its a web server with apple's name on it. Mac OS's have always been innovative, and is recognized for simplicity, something that is rarely associated with "server".
Also, its fast, RISC, powerful, challenges microsoft, and new. A web server is a web server. Who cares about "old style nix people", MOSXS is not a hobby, its a new business solution.
Perhaps the Judge isn't familiar with what it takes to maintain your own professional website, let alone trying to maintain and monitor all of their clients sites.
I think it's crazy, and the only logical explanation I can think of is that the judge doesn't quite understand how the deal works.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of the widget stuff in Mozilla 5.0 was dependent on the renderer. This is why the switch to NGLayout/Raptor/Gecko completely affected the project, it changed everything.
I don't think making a new network library will be THAT big of a problem for the development cycle. If they keep the function names & parameters pretty much the same, it should just be a matter of swapping a few units.
Of course, that is an ideal outlook. But I guarantee you that it won't cause as big a mess as replacing the rendering engine did.
-Fresh
..but are still rooting for Netscape:
:)
Download M4 and the other builds. You have a chance to really impact a product by running it, and submitting bugs. Try and make it crash, it's fun
The whole point of these Milestones packaged with the FullCircle software in them is to get people to give some general feedback on it. It's essential to the development of the product.
Or you CAN just sit back and wait, doing nothing - Bill Gates will be smiling down on you.
I've heard very little about XSL.
What are the benefits to including it?
apprunner.exe :)
I used to have one of those! :P
But the damn joysticks kept jamming
Sunday, December 23rd, 2012, Approx noon (don't know where they got noon from)
The video's I saw on this said that according to the Mayan's, time just "stops" or something here.
The end of the world better be more exciting than that!
Hopefully, this will increase Linux exposure to the people who were to scared to get it before :)
.
Now that would be a nice mother. Multiple AMD procecssors would rock the house and not cost much, either.
Alas, the Super7 era is almost over. Welcome, K7.
BTW, who all here is planning on buying a K7 system?
Good points.
It does seem a little complicated / confusing, but hopefully it will work out.
So does that mean that if you have n moderator points, and dont moderate something for 3 days, they go away? Hmm.
We don't need another idle CPU project to deminish the power behing more useful projects such as distributed.net.
Nobody is forcing you to use your CPU idle time. It's voluntary. And how is distributed.net more useful? It's just a game of luck with no purpose, see who can find the key the fastest. We already know it can be done, it's been done before. Woopee-dee.
There is no chance that people are going to find alien life this way - so why bother.
Why bother? Because there is no chance that we are going to find alien life by sitting on our asses. Yes, the chances are small, but a small chance is better than no chance.
We haveto think closer to home and work on getting the US government to change their policy on encryption.
I'm indifferent on this myself, but there are alot of other things that should come before that. Kosovo, medical research, etc.
If there was alien life don't you think they'd alreay have tried to contact us??
Exactly! Say ET is out there somewhere trying to find us. ET beams a big signal saying "hey, I'm here". But what good will that do if nobody is listening for it?
I've been watching SETI@Home for a while and have been dying to download the client. Sure, its fun to chip away at RC5, but we all know that RC5 64 bit will eventually be cracked given time.
With SETI@Home, you can use your idle time for something that may have a greater purpose down the road.
Bottom line is, brute force will eventually crack encryption. Woohoo. Increase the bits. Now that this new idea has come along, you have a chance to aid the search for intelligent life.
And that my friends, is a big deal.
I got to see a de-classified video on the SDI project, and got to see a "real" railgun fire. Whoo-boy, that was cool. Those things fire at 24 miles a second and go through 5 feet of tempered steel like a hot knife through butter!
:)
Hey, I've always had a perverse fascination with powerful devices
I am a coder, but I don't know C++.
I program in object pascal.
I know how the fundamentals of programming goes, but I don't know how C++ works. ok?
I wrote to the Mozilla Wishlist once
And if yer not a C++ guru, go to mozilla.org anyway and help out however you can. It's a great project, and I want it to be the best it can be.
Attached is the letter I sent to the wishlist.
-Fresh
+++++++
Dear Mozilla Team,
Over the past few months, I have kept a text file of ideas that I thought up for Mozilla 5. It would be my pleasure to share these ideas with you, and it excites me how for the first time, with mozilla.org, I can have a part in influencing the design of one of my favorite programs, Netscape Communicator.
I have 3 big ideas that are major feature requests, some other ideas that would be easy to impliment and would be very useful, and a small list of crazy ideas that may or may not interest you.
I'd like to have someone reply to me with their opinion on each idea if that is possible.
Again, I really hope that you guys consider these ideas for Mozilla 5.
And now, the rugged list of ideas for Netscape 5.0
you know how you have telnet://, gopher://, ftp:// ?
It would be very easy to have these:
finger://
whois://
dns:// (resolve hostname to ip and vice versa)
ping://
trace:// (traceroute)
etc. I'm telling you, it would be easy to do and I would LOVE it, it would make Netscape an all around net-utility belt and not add much bloat at all!
---------------------
Have a good download manager built in. Go!Zilla is a great tool.
Heck, why don't you buy out GoZilla and add it to netscape?
It searches "Ftp search sites" for other download locations and tests the speed of each server, and lets you download from the fastest one. It supports canceling of a download (with ability to resume later)
this would be a must have feature. I really, really would like to see this, but please do not add "ads" like in SmartDownload. check out http://www.gozilla.com to see what i mean.
trust me on this one guys..
-----------------
maximum syntax guessing / Smart browsing.
if a user types in www.something.co and forgets to type the "m", then try contacting something.com IF something.co doesn't resolve / connect.
I'm sure you guys can think of an innovative way to handle these kinds of URL errors:
wwww.something.com
www.somethingcom
wwwsomething.com
wwws.omething.com
www.something.comm
remember, you would only try syntax guessing if:
1) the address that they typed in didn't resolve or connect
2) the option for syntax guessing is enabled
3) the address typed is suitable for syntax guessing. for example, if a genius domain (www.something.com) didn't exist, then dont try fixing it.
=====--more ideas summed up in a line or 2--====
* multiple email accounts
* very advanced / expert email filters
* remembering site passwords
* full intellimouse support
* full screen viewing
* when you paste text from the clipboard that's multiline but contains a url, still read that url.
IE, notepad is a multiline Edit control, and its possible to actually get a Carriage return / line feed before or after the actual URL. and when you paste it into the Netscape URL dropdown box, which is one line, the url doesn't show. If you dont know what im talking about, then forget it..
* support those blocks that can make a link underline or whatever when you move the mouse over it (like ie)
* consider including an ActiveX wrapper.
-*-begin crazy ideas-*-
* I miss Infoseek's "QuickSeek", which provided a very easy way to search InfoSeek.
make it so you can type the following into the url box
?av tigers
and it would search altavista for "tigers"
?is beer
and it would search infoseek for beer.
--
* Align netscape.exe using WinAlign or something to make it load faster
* perhaps make it "work well" or even integrate with ICQ? (both of you are owned by aol now..)
* i dont think anybody needs the "set as wallpaper" popupmenu feature.
* consider VBscript support, if you're bored.
make a way for users of netscape to easily submit "wishlists" and programs ideas. let them know netscape cares.
---end ideas---
In closing, I hope you at the very least CONSIDER these ideas and their benefits to your users. Personally, I think that it would be a very good investment.
--
Andrew Niese / "Freshman"
Fresh Software
*Opinions expressed by this email do not necessarily reflect of those of Fresh Software. *
"when great minds are put together, they think in exponentially greater ways"
Samuel Sparling, 1998
Notice to SPAMMERS:
Pursuent to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, DF227, "Any
and all nonsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject
to a download and archival fee of $500.00 U.S."
E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms.
if AMD gets over the intitial production problems, the K7 will be a SERIOUS blow to Intel. Ouch.
I'm rooting for AMD all the way.
-a
Well, that's a definate maybe. The K7 will be a SLOT and not a socket type chip, at least at first. I heard from a reliable source (Maximum PC Magazine) that AMD will eventually make a Socket7 version of its K7, but things can only go so far.
Looks like you will have to bite your lip, and wait and see.
..
I would have agree. Sadly, the majority of those who dont share your opinions fail to remove brand-name bias or back up their vague arguments.
It's nice to see people devoted to Linux, but most of you need to expand your horizons.
-f
bottom line is, its a web server with apple's name on it. Mac OS's have always been innovative, and is recognized for simplicity, something that is rarely associated with "server".
Also, its fast, RISC, powerful, challenges microsoft, and new. A web server is a web server. Who cares about "old style nix people", MOSXS is not a hobby, its a new business solution.
maybe its just me, but MP3 sounds damn realistic to me.
I'm gonna get a K7 with my next system. Hello, 200Mhz Bus!
AMD is really giving Intel a run for its money. Best of luck to them.
Plus, those K6 chips LOOK cool..
And yet you don't back up your own comments with the integrity of your post.
It is a rumor.
Perhaps the Judge isn't familiar with what it takes to maintain your own professional website, let alone trying to maintain and monitor all of their clients sites.
I think it's crazy, and the only logical explanation I can think of is that the judge doesn't quite understand how the deal works.
bravo, outstanding.