Awesome video! Excellent, factual rebuttal of the shill that is macs4all...
You thought that was definitive?
1. Most of the things that were NOT Internet-bound were within the margin of error for humans triggering things with their fingers.
2. Did the video say which version of iOS 9 they used? There was a version of iOS 9 (9.1 or 9.2?) that was specifically designed to improve performance on the 4s and iPad 2. Did they use it?
3. Other than the one bit with iTunes on iOS 9 where it never displayed the thumbnails (which I think was a server-side issue), NONE of the OS versions were in ANY way "unusable".
4. Since so many "tests" were Internet-based, several "tries" on each test should have been done to help negate the effects of temporary WiFi slowdowns (especially since the 4s doesn't seem to support 5 GHz).
5. Since there were a number of edits in the video(s), and because this was a composite of several separate videos, in no way can this video be taken at face value.
6. It simply isn't "damning", nor especially supportive of the AC's "slowdown" claims. In fact, I was fairly impressed at how even they kept the overall "responsiveness", even though almost the entire OS was replaced, framework by framework, over the course of that time.
Umm your nick name is the first clue that paints you as a shill.
But your nickname is the proof that you are a COWARD.
And BTW, if someone wax a paid shill, they would bothe paste on a forum that actually had some influence, and would have a much mire innocuous-sounding nick.
I know right?! These fuckers are always copying Apple ! I can't find a way to run the latest Xcode on Snow Leopard. (Meanwhile everything runs on Win7). iOS constantly nags you (with no option to decline) to update. And updates slow down the device to the point where you are forced to throw it away. Like seriously Microsoft, stop fucking copying Apple !!!!
Actually, AC, I was fearful of upgrading my Ancient iPad 2 and my sort-of-ancient iPhone 4s to the last-possible OS (iOS 9.3.5), because I was convinced it would slow them down to the point of uselessness. But, since they were both pretty far behind, OS-wise (the iPad was on iOS 7.1.2, and the iPhone was on iOS 8.something), and iOS 10 was about to come out in a few days (and which was not compatible with either device), I figured I'd better just grit my teeth and do it while I still could.
However, not only are they NOT any slower, they might be just a touch snappier overall. Not a whole lot, and I did have ONE third-party App that got Orphaned (SampleTank, but that's on them); but it certainly wasn't ANYTHING like the horrorshow of "unusability" that many people (falsely?) reported. I continue to use the iPad 2 several hours each and every day. The iPhone 4s has been "in retirement" for quite some time.
As for running the latest XCode (XCode 8!!!) on SL (which came with XCode 3 or 4)? Seriously? And besides, there are PLENTY of Applications that won't run on a 32-bit version of Windows 7; so don't give me THAT crap!
If you want to run XCode 8, depending on your Mac, you could likely install El Capitan (or Yosemite) on an external Drive, and boot from it to do XCode 8 Development. Time DOES march on. SL came out in June, 2009. It really IS time to move on to a newer version of OS X/macOS. ESPECIALLY if you are doing DEVELOPMENT, FFS!!!
As for iOS "Constantly" Nagging you: Fortunately, there IS a way to stop it. And albeit a not-very-intuitive solution, but it is very simple. By the way, that took exactly 1 second to Google; so you MUST not have been TOO annoyed, eh?
Does this count the huge numbers that took the free upgrade, found they didn't like it (or just wanted to lock in the upgrade) and then went back? Does this count units sold to stores but not through to end users?
This is why I don't buy the numbers put out by companies, there is just too many ways they can manipulate the data to make it look bigger than the actual figures indicate.
I'd love to answer, Mr. Feet; but according to some snot-nosed AC, I'm an Apple shill, and so cannot have an opinion on Windows 10 (even though I spend my working-hours employed writing WINDOWS Application Code). (rolls eyes)
That is because you are a Mac fanboy who shills for Apple no matter what feces they shovel our for the people. I don't know why you are so biased, but I'd be embarrassed to be you. Now hopefully you get paid for your shilling... otherwise, you are a really sad person.
Apparently not as sad as someone who is so fearful that they feel the need to attack someone from the sanctity of an ANONYMOUS COWARD.
Return shipping is a pain in the ass, for the time it takes you will be without a phone. Also, it is worthless unless the carrier allows you out of the contract, which they won't. You will be forced to choose another phone from their selection.
1. Do a little research next time?
2. What else would you expect the carrier to offer than "choose another phone"?
I went further and drilled a hole for a 1/4" jack. Success! I now can use my expensive Bosendorfer headphones. Now I'll try it on my dog's iPhone (I got him eight of them) using a Bantam (TT) jack. If this works I might next try it with banana plugs.
Of course, by adding "or indeed any OEM", you're implying that this is an attack/persecution specifically towards Apple and that I'm biased. Nope; doubt I'm any more partisan than someone with the username "macs4all", and I'm sure that most similar corporations in Apple's position would have come up with a similarly self-serving answer. Doesn't make Apple any better than them, though.
First, your OP made it clear that you were intending your comment as disparagement towards Apple. And you ad hominem attack against me, based on my username, confirms exactly that.-
But then, you undermine your entire argument by agreeing that ANY OEM would have made the same "Don't replace/infiltrate your OS with some unknown hack." Now you claim that makes Apple no better than other OEMs. Conversely, however, it makes them no worse.
And the reason why, is that their legal departments no doubt caution that if they DON'T make such a statement, they could be found liable if someone bricks their device, gets their personal info hacked, etc., after installing such an intentional exploit.
The Prius acceleration hoax turned out to be exactly that. Some complaints were found to be operator error. At least one was a deliberate scam attempt. The rest were based on not understanding the two braking systems.
Nevertheless, Toyota paid up to make it go away rather than fight each one separately.
Well, I know that Woz had a Prius with the problem; and he was able to repeatedly get it to do the uncontrolled acceleration thing by a (IIRC) specific, easily-repeatable sequence of gear-shifts and brake applications.
On my computer at home I've got the email reply he sent to me when I asked him about it (after his experience was reported in Slashdot).
So, stick that "hoax" bullshit up your ass. Woz was reportedly able to make it exhibit the uncontrolled-acceleration bug anytime he wanted.Toyota wasn't interested when he contacted them about how to "make it happen", BTW. Instead, they used the fact that the accelerator/brake position data wasn't being logged correctly by the car to convince the NHTSA that it was "Driver Error". Despicable.
That was an AC, you're not. Simple as that. Plus I generally don't like Apple Asshats...
So, you're saying you respect an AC more than someone who puts their Karma on the line; JUST because of their platform-choice?
I thought we already got past all this immature crap, buddy.
Guess not.
And if you truly think you can call me an Asshat, compared with the truly insane, over-the-top, purely ad hominem attacks I have suffered on this forum (almost exclusively from your beloved ACs, BTW), it is you that is the Asshat, not me.
It's a numbers game, really, and not news in the sense that there's anything inherently wrong. Pack that much energy into a small, thin package and every so often one will fail.
I was referring to two different options. USB over Lightning is one option.
As another, more hackish option the board surely has some SPI pins.
That said, because it is software-defined AND you have root, *perhaps* you could do SPI over Lightning. That's not what I was suggesting, though.
At first glance, I would guess that Lightning is done over GPIO pins (with maybe some DMA thrown in), rather than a specific ARM "peripheral". But, since Apple actually rolls-their-own ARM designs; it would be logical to assume that they DO have some sort of custom Lightning i/f built into their SoCs.
They might talk to their radios, gyros, etc. over SPI (and/or I2C); but, in such a tightly-integrated device, it might be pretty hard to come up with an "enable" pin for your particular, non-planned-for SPI device.
Personally, if I was just using it for some "offline" storage that didn't require "Always there" access, I'd just use a Lightning-based Reader/Writer (Amazon has a nice one for SD and MicroSD (albeit a little pricey) I've been thinking of getting), and something like the GoodReader App, to access the SD storage and the "local" files. Life's just too short to ass-around with jailbreaking to get access to a POSSIBLE SPI i/f. And then you have to write some sort of Driver, and then you have to figure out how to expose access to that Driver, etc. etc. By the time you get THAT familiar with the innards of both the Device AND the OS, you'd mightaswell be making money with those skills...;-)
It has USB over Lightning, so you COULD attach a micro SD reader, internal or stuck to the case.
If you wanted to be even more hackish, it shouldn't be hard to find some SPI pins. You can interface micro SD cards with four SPI pins plus power and ground. This guy provided root in the software in order to make the OS used the micro SD for whatever you choose.
Lightning is a completely software-configurable interface. Unlike the old 30 pin connector, it basically has no dedicated pins, period; so no SPI, unless Apple made a pseudo-SPI mode available.
Ok, ok, ok y'all. Settle down. Time for a CEO mud wrestling contest to determine the size of.. er.. the biggest of them all. Pardon me while I vomit after this post.
Or better yet, let's drop all the CEOs off a cliff one-by-one, and see which one bounces the highest...
Well, you come in all high-and-mighty with false statements about the patent
So, why didn't you tromp on the original AC's post, stating that this was much more than just a silly "Patent on a Paper Bag" (which post sits at +5 Informative, BTW), which my original post was simply in support and an amplification thereof?
Apparently, when you're shown to be wrong, you care. And you cared enough to post in this thread in the first place. But the fact remains - Apple is attempting to patent a white paper bag with 60% or more post consumer content. Maybe instead of "macs4all" you should change your name to "paperbags4all"...
Disingenuousness I expect from an AC; but not you. And a cheap shot ad hominem joke besides...?
But you are smart enough to realize that the main thrust of the patent is not the bag itself; but the REINFORCEMENTS designed into the bag to ALLOW the otherwise-too-weak, bleached 60% recycled paper to be used to actually CARRY something heavier than a Canoli, which apparently IS unique and and "non-obvious" in the "paper-bag" world.
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Awesome video! Excellent, factual rebuttal of the shill that is macs4all...
You thought that was definitive?
1. Most of the things that were NOT Internet-bound were within the margin of error for humans triggering things with their fingers.
2. Did the video say which version of iOS 9 they used? There was a version of iOS 9 (9.1 or 9.2?) that was specifically designed to improve performance on the 4s and iPad 2. Did they use it?
3. Other than the one bit with iTunes on iOS 9 where it never displayed the thumbnails (which I think was a server-side issue), NONE of the OS versions were in ANY way "unusable".
4. Since so many "tests" were Internet-based, several "tries" on each test should have been done to help negate the effects of temporary WiFi slowdowns (especially since the 4s doesn't seem to support 5 GHz).
5. Since there were a number of edits in the video(s), and because this was a composite of several separate videos, in no way can this video be taken at face value.
6. It simply isn't "damning", nor especially supportive of the AC's "slowdown" claims. In fact, I was fairly impressed at how even they kept the overall "responsiveness", even though almost the entire OS was replaced, framework by framework, over the course of that time.
Umm your nick name is the first clue that paints you as a shill.
But your nickname is the proof that you are a COWARD.
And BTW, if someone wax a paid shill, they would bothe paste on a forum that actually had some influence, and would have a much mire innocuous-sounding nick.
Dumbass.
And besides, there are PLENTY of Applications that won't run on a 32-bit version of Windows 7
I meant 64 bit (only) versions of Windows (which came pre-installed on a lot of machines). That is a barrel of incompatibility!
I know right?! These fuckers are always copying Apple ! I can't find a way to run the latest Xcode on Snow Leopard. (Meanwhile everything runs on Win7). iOS constantly nags you (with no option to decline) to update. And updates slow down the device to the point where you are forced to throw it away. Like seriously Microsoft, stop fucking copying Apple !!!!
Actually, AC, I was fearful of upgrading my Ancient iPad 2 and my sort-of-ancient iPhone 4s to the last-possible OS (iOS 9.3.5), because I was convinced it would slow them down to the point of uselessness. But, since they were both pretty far behind, OS-wise (the iPad was on iOS 7.1.2, and the iPhone was on iOS 8.something), and iOS 10 was about to come out in a few days (and which was not compatible with either device), I figured I'd better just grit my teeth and do it while I still could.
However, not only are they NOT any slower, they might be just a touch snappier overall. Not a whole lot, and I did have ONE third-party App that got Orphaned (SampleTank, but that's on them); but it certainly wasn't ANYTHING like the horrorshow of "unusability" that many people (falsely?) reported. I continue to use the iPad 2 several hours each and every day. The iPhone 4s has been "in retirement" for quite some time.
As for running the latest XCode (XCode 8!!!) on SL (which came with XCode 3 or 4)? Seriously? And besides, there are PLENTY of Applications that won't run on a 32-bit version of Windows 7; so don't give me THAT crap!
If you want to run XCode 8, depending on your Mac, you could likely install El Capitan (or Yosemite) on an external Drive, and boot from it to do XCode 8 Development. Time DOES march on. SL came out in June, 2009. It really IS time to move on to a newer version of OS X/macOS. ESPECIALLY if you are doing DEVELOPMENT, FFS!!!
As for iOS "Constantly" Nagging you: Fortunately, there IS a way to stop it. And albeit a not-very-intuitive solution, but it is very simple. By the way, that took exactly 1 second to Google; so you MUST not have been TOO annoyed, eh?
Does this count the huge numbers that took the free upgrade, found they didn't like it (or just wanted to lock in the upgrade) and then went back? Does this count units sold to stores but not through to end users?
This is why I don't buy the numbers put out by companies, there is just too many ways they can manipulate the data to make it look bigger than the actual figures indicate.
I'd love to answer, Mr. Feet; but according to some snot-nosed AC, I'm an Apple shill, and so cannot have an opinion on Windows 10 (even though I spend my working-hours employed writing WINDOWS Application Code). (rolls eyes)
That is because you are a Mac fanboy who shills for Apple no matter what feces they shovel our for the people. I don't know why you are so biased, but I'd be embarrassed to be you. Now hopefully you get paid for your shilling... otherwise, you are a really sad person.
Apparently not as sad as someone who is so fearful that they feel the need to attack someone from the sanctity of an ANONYMOUS COWARD.
Are still running Win 7
I, for one.
willingly?
EXACTLY what I came here to say...
Don't tell me about 1 and 3.. It's the people drilling holes in their phones that I'm talking about. I go android and I'm always happy with it.
Then what are you doing commenting on an iPhone thread?
Return shipping is a pain in the ass, for the time it takes you will be without a phone. Also, it is worthless unless the carrier allows you out of the contract, which they won't. You will be forced to choose another phone from their selection.
1. Do a little research next time?
2. What else would you expect the carrier to offer than "choose another phone"?
3. Do a little research next time?
That's not global. The carriers where I am won't do it.
So you have to pay return shipping because of the carriers not honoring their agreements?
1. How is that Apple's fault?
2. How much can it possibly cost to ship a 4 ounce iPhone?
3. You can afford an iPhone, yet you can't afford return shipping? Riiiight...
4. Prove it.
I went further and drilled a hole for a 1/4" jack. Success! I now can use my expensive Bosendorfer headphones. Now I'll try it on my dog's iPhone (I got him eight of them) using a Bantam (TT) jack. If this works I might next try it with banana plugs.
Truly hilarious
Of course, by adding "or indeed any OEM", you're implying that this is an attack/persecution specifically towards Apple and that I'm biased. Nope; doubt I'm any more partisan than someone with the username "macs4all", and I'm sure that most similar corporations in Apple's position would have come up with a similarly self-serving answer. Doesn't make Apple any better than them, though.
First, your OP made it clear that you were intending your comment as disparagement towards Apple. And you ad hominem attack against me, based on my username, confirms exactly that.-
But then, you undermine your entire argument by agreeing that ANY OEM would have made the same "Don't replace/infiltrate your OS with some unknown hack." Now you claim that makes Apple no better than other OEMs. Conversely, however, it makes them no worse.
And the reason why, is that their legal departments no doubt caution that if they DON'T make such a statement, they could be found liable if someone bricks their device, gets their personal info hacked, etc., after installing such an intentional exploit.
Sorry, this is just a British consumer rights lobby. Call me when Elizabeth Warren goes on the warpath over this.
But you're Canadian. How is Elizabeth Warren going to help you?
The Prius acceleration hoax turned out to be exactly that. Some complaints were found to be operator error. At least one was a deliberate scam attempt. The rest were based on not understanding the two braking systems.
Nevertheless, Toyota paid up to make it go away rather than fight each one separately.
Well, I know that Woz had a Prius with the problem; and he was able to repeatedly get it to do the uncontrolled acceleration thing by a (IIRC) specific, easily-repeatable sequence of gear-shifts and brake applications.
On my computer at home I've got the email reply he sent to me when I asked him about it (after his experience was reported in Slashdot).
So, stick that "hoax" bullshit up your ass. Woz was reportedly able to make it exhibit the uncontrolled-acceleration bug anytime he wanted.Toyota wasn't interested when he contacted them about how to "make it happen", BTW. Instead, they used the fact that the accelerator/brake position data wasn't being logged correctly by the car to convince the NHTSA that it was "Driver Error". Despicable.
That was an AC, you're not. Simple as that. Plus I generally don't like Apple Asshats...
So, you're saying you respect an AC more than someone who puts their Karma on the line; JUST because of their platform-choice?
I thought we already got past all this immature crap, buddy.
Guess not.
And if you truly think you can call me an Asshat, compared with the truly insane, over-the-top, purely ad hominem attacks I have suffered on this forum (almost exclusively from your beloved ACs, BTW), it is you that is the Asshat, not me.
It's a numbers game, really, and not news in the sense that there's anything inherently wrong. Pack that much energy into a small, thin package and every so often one will fail.
Nice try, shill.
I was referring to two different options. USB over Lightning is one option.
As another, more hackish option the board surely has some SPI pins.
That said, because it is software-defined AND you have root, *perhaps* you could do SPI over Lightning. That's not what I was suggesting, though.
At first glance, I would guess that Lightning is done over GPIO pins (with maybe some DMA thrown in), rather than a specific ARM "peripheral". But, since Apple actually rolls-their-own ARM designs; it would be logical to assume that they DO have some sort of custom Lightning i/f built into their SoCs.
;-)
They might talk to their radios, gyros, etc. over SPI (and/or I2C); but, in such a tightly-integrated device, it might be pretty hard to come up with an "enable" pin for your particular, non-planned-for SPI device.
Personally, if I was just using it for some "offline" storage that didn't require "Always there" access, I'd just use a Lightning-based Reader/Writer (Amazon has a nice one for SD and MicroSD (albeit a little pricey) I've been thinking of getting), and something like the GoodReader App, to access the SD storage and the "local" files. Life's just too short to ass-around with jailbreaking to get access to a POSSIBLE SPI i/f. And then you have to write some sort of Driver, and then you have to figure out how to expose access to that Driver, etc. etc. By the time you get THAT familiar with the innards of both the Device AND the OS, you'd mightaswell be making money with those skills...
This guy does this every time a new version of iOS comes out and he never releases it publicly. For all we know it's been the same exploit all along.
It's all too easy to fake-up a boot sequence in a video.
I'm sure Apple have users' best interests at heart.
Thinking along pretty much the same lines as myself there.
"Apple strongly cautions against installing any software that hacks iOS."
"Well, they would, wouldn't they?"
What would you expect them, or indeed any OEM, to say?
Get real.
It has USB over Lightning, so you COULD attach a micro SD reader, internal or stuck to the case.
If you wanted to be even more hackish, it shouldn't be hard to find some SPI pins. You can interface micro SD cards with four SPI pins plus power and ground. This guy provided root in the software in order to make the OS used the micro SD for whatever you choose.
Lightning is a completely software-configurable interface. Unlike the old 30 pin connector, it basically has no dedicated pins, period; so no SPI, unless Apple made a pseudo-SPI mode available.
>..for the time being
Just because Apple has a bad idea doesn't mean everyone else has to copy it.
But, if history is any indicator, you know they will.
Ok, ok, ok y'all. Settle down. Time for a CEO mud wrestling contest to determine the size of.. er.. the biggest of them all. Pardon me while I vomit after this post.
Or better yet, let's drop all the CEOs off a cliff one-by-one, and see which one bounces the highest...
Now THAT's a Reality Show!!!
Well, you come in all high-and-mighty with false statements about the patent
So, why didn't you tromp on the original AC's post, stating that this was much more than just a silly "Patent on a Paper Bag" (which post sits at +5 Informative, BTW), which my original post was simply in support and an amplification thereof?
Apparently, when you're shown to be wrong, you care. And you cared enough to post in this thread in the first place. But the fact remains - Apple is attempting to patent a white paper bag with 60% or more post consumer content. Maybe instead of "macs4all" you should change your name to "paperbags4all"...
Disingenuousness I expect from an AC; but not you. And a cheap shot ad hominem joke besides...?
But you are smart enough to realize that the main thrust of the patent is not the bag itself; but the REINFORCEMENTS designed into the bag to ALLOW the otherwise-too-weak, bleached 60% recycled paper to be used to actually CARRY something heavier than a Canoli, which apparently IS unique and and "non-obvious" in the "paper-bag" world.