Nevertheless, once turned on Siri is much the same privacy sucking nightmare Cortana and Google are.
Nope, sorry. That is incorrect.
Siri on MacOS (and also Siri on iOS 10) does its level-best to do as much as it can "client-side", directly on your Mac/iDevice. This is VERY different from Cortana an Google's "voice assist" stuff, which take every opportunity to send every utterance to their respective motherships.
If you would bothered to have watched the WWDC keynote, Apple talked at length about the lengths they have gone to make Siri, Dictation, and Spotlight do as much as they possibly can directly on the Mac itself, and when it is necessary to push something to their servers, they do it in an anonymized fashion using an technique known as "Differential Privacy". See the WWDC Keynote at Time Index 1:40:00 for a quick explanation of the measures that Apple is taking both on macOS and iOS 10 in the name of Privacy. Here's another article on Differential Privacy, and why it is pretty damned cool.
Well, due to a mishap in bureaucracy, accidentally two different offices ordered a license. The responsible official has been relocated to Sibiria for extended education.
Speaking of which, does anyone know what happened to the guys that Putin ordered about a month ago to decrypt the entire internet in 2 weeks or whatever that was?
People are more driven by television than reality, hence the reason advertising is structured the way it is
Actually, if history is any judge, Lyin' Trump will be the next President (Cthulu help us!) and instead of Lyin' Hillary (Cthulu help us!) because for the simple fact that Trump is the TALLER candidate. Plus, it doesn't help that he's a male, and even many females still believe that "President" is "man's work".
Seriously. Look it up (the height bias). Doesn't work as much for the Electrical College; but for the Popular Vote, it is true more than 2/3 of the time.
And if you watched the Debate, at the end when they are standing together side by side, you can clearly see that Trump (who is 6' 3") is a full "head" taller than Clinton.
I'm sure if there is any proof of Apple spying on Users, You'll be the first to tell Us, right? Or are You saying You have that proof now? Or, is it more likely Apple has been completely above board knowing if They lie, even a little, it could destroy Their brand forever?
What lying? TFA stated that Apple had claimed something they really hadn't, and then excoriated them for somehow doing something they didn't say they didn't. Yes, that's a bunch of double-negatives; but it demonstrates the convoluted logic of TFA's claims.
After you've had your morning, or noon, coffee you might realize what I was saying was that not only is your iPhone capable of spying on you, but now your Mac can too, all while Apple has been gettin up on stages and spouting how concerned they are about your privacy. After reading through the privacy notice about Siri I decided not to turn it on when I upgraded to Sierra.
So the warning was helpful to you. How is this news?
So, please explain to me how a system that uses Apple's servers (or anyone's for that matter) would work, where the source and destination addresses were not in the clear.
OMG! Apple logs pretty much what any half-decent firewall or web server logs every time anyone sends a request/packet through it: source, target, timestamp.
Even the turn-on dialog for Siri on the Mac says it will go through your Contacts list so Siri can 'know more about you'. Not good.
Would you rather it didn't warn you? The fact is, Siri is OFF by default on macOS; so if you are that privacy-conscious, you don't HAVE to "Opt-IN".
Sheesh! You'd have a point if Siri was ON by default and/or it didn't warn you BEFORE it scanned your Contacts.
Oh, and you don't HAVE to use MacOS' Contacts list. I NEVER have. The ONLY Contact I have EVER had in my macOS Contacts/Address Book for the past 16 years is my own.
OMG! Apple logs pretty much what any half-decent firewall or web server logs every time anyone sends a request/packet through it: source, target, timestamp.
Exactly. And unlike most firewalls and web server logs, Apple at least purges this every 30 days. Plus, they have a big ol' disclaimer that the information does not reflect that any actual communication took place. That disclaimer is more than enough for any half-braindead 1st year law student to stand on for "reasonable doubt".
And about location. Sure, an IP address can give you a location, if you consider "I'm somewhere in the Mall, or adjacent areas within reach of the wif signal" a "location".
It's not exactly granular. And with ISPs deploying carrier grade NAT (more common that you might think), IP address based location is worthless.
And isn't that exactly what the Courts have told Rightscorp, et al, when they have tried to sue based solely on an IP address?
Plus, this is even (much!) less information than a trap and trace or "pen register" log has contained from the POTS for decades. And they keep that information (and more) for what used to be 18 months, not 1 month, and I think they now keep that info in perpetuity.
And as TFA admits: "...based on the sample information provided in the FAQ, that Apple doesn’t appear to provide any indication whatsoever that an iMessage conversation took place."
And for anyone else who is not a dyed-in-the-wool fanboi, the differences are quite large, a factor of 3 or more in many cases. Case closed.
Did we actually watch the same video?
I just re-watched the video, and other than the initial boot time, and perhaps the one iTunes "test", there isn't anything that is "a factor of 3 or more" between the OSes. And even more importantly, iOS 8 seems to be the overall slowest version, which is curious; because iOS 7 seems pretty fast; so something obviously happened in iOS 8. HOWEVER, iOS 9 does beat iOS 8 in almost every case, though; so you can see the result of Apple tweaking iOS 9 to improve performance on older devices.
And regardless of the exact differences between the versions, you are one spoiled little child if you call that a major slowdown across OS versions.
I think it's time the USA woke up to the fact that the anti-government / free market takes care of all of our problems approach is not necessarily having the best outcomes.
So you think this update was only for HP printers sold in the USA?
If you're doing that, you must be really clueless about ecommerce mail order, or you just got started and haven't figured out the proper way to do shipping.
The way you ship stuff is you buy a Zebra 4x6 label printer, and print your postage labels on that. Then you just peel and stick. You can even print these labels from within PayPal, though you can get better rates through places like encidia.com if you do a lot of volume (there's a monthly fee for those places though, so it's only worth it if you ship a lot of stuff).
So, how does that make the labelling PAPERLESS?
And if you use a DTT (Direct Thermal Transfer) printer (which are the cheaper-type label printers), NOW you're putting Aluminum into the landfill ALONG with the paper.
That's an entirely separate issue and the reason I don't personally use HP. However, it's not so bad that I would have recommended against them. Especially for everyday consumers who let the ink dry out in the printhead.
Yeah, the alternative is exactly that.
I had to trash an almost-new $500 Epson inkjet; because the head WASN'T in the cartridge, and if you didn't print at least once or twice per week, the ink turned to some sort of "concrete", that, despite my best efforts and best Googling, would not dissolve with anything that wouldn't also turn the print head to mush.
So, I'm kinda glad that HP decided to put the print-head into the print cartridge, thankyouverymuch.
This is where we are now. Everything you buy today is sold with Darth Vader terms "I've altered the deal, pray i dont alter it further" with no recourse other than to not buy or stop using it. IN the past you could work around these things, but DMCA kills most of that.. Unless you are running open solutions, you are at their mercy. We are here, we have arrived. Its not some dystopian future, its here, now, today.
Well if 3rd parties didn't create absolute substandard ink cartridges HP wouldn't be forced to do this.
Instead you buy a 3rd party cartridge. It leaks or breaks in your printer. You call HP because your product is broken and they find out you didn't use a HP cartridge. Now it becomes a huge problem for their support department when trying to determine fault. Do you refuse support and send them to the 3rd party to fix their printer? That makes HP look bad...
So it only makes sense to ban 3rd party cartridges.
Your reasoning falls-apart because HP didn't DISCLOSE that their driver update SURREPTITIOUSLY installed what amounted to a LOGIC BOMB in their Printer. Show me where it disclosed that in the EULA. Otherwise, it is by definition a FRAUD upon the consumer.
This is where we are now. Everything you buy today is sold with Darth Vader terms "I've altered the deal, pray i dont alter it further" with no recourse other than to not buy or stop using it. IN the past you could work around these things, but DMCA kills most of that.. Unless you are running open solutions, you are at their mercy. We are here, we have arrived. Its not some dystopian future, its here, now, today.
Yeah, good luck building that Open Source Printer...
Build like tanks and they can take network cards and more. Also will just say something like NON HP cartage on boot up but that does not stop them from working.
LJ 4s don't have any DRM on the carts. that I know of.
I'll second that!
I bought an LJ 4M (with the Postscript Module) and a Jet Direct card, used, at a Salvation Army for $8. It had 8,000 copies on it (!!!!!)
It will work for me until the heat-death of the universe.
It's REALLY slow rendering Postscript; but if you send it PCL, it's pretty fast (about 8 ppm?).
I would, however, look for an LJ 4+; because it has a "sleep" mode that is reduced power, and doesn't keep the fuser hot all the time, like the non-"plussed" LJ 4.
But for $8, with 8k copies, who am I to complain?
And even if you can't find one with a Jet Direct card, you can get those offa eBay for a small number of dollars all day long.
lol..this is pathetic. You know everyone is laughing at you right now right? You know that right??? Listen, you got called out for your bullshit. Don't fight it, just admit that you're a giant Apple cheerleader and move on. Stop digging your own grave. It's really no big deal, and it's not the end of the world. You'll be taken seriously again when you actually have a point that's not complete garbage. Here.. have a hug:)
As I replied to LynwoodRooster, I honestly really didn't see a definitive slowdown across the OS versions in that "Definitive Proof" video. In fact, the performance was remarkably the same from iOS 5 to iOS 9.
So, are you sure we were watching the same video? Because, if the performance dropped-off across the OSes, it would have been a much more confusing "horse race", as the versions got more and more "out of sync" with each "test".
And your data is... ? Nothing? Nothing at all? Hard video proof versus a mac fanboi's vapid claims?
And your data is... ? Nothing? Nothing at all? Hard video proof versus a mac fanboi's vapid claims?
As I said: I don't believe that is "Hard video proof" of ANYTHING, other than the OS versions are pretty close to the same, performance-wise.
And of course, your "standard" is impossible for me to meet; since I cannot go backwards as far as OS installation on my personal iPhone 4s or iPad 2.
Seriously, I watched the video, and it really didn't seem that different overall. And I really would have liked to see more "tests" that didn't rely so heavily on internet-speed; because the "local" operations seemed just about identical across the OS versions.
And most importantly, what I DIDN'T see was a progressive slow-down across the versions. IOW, you notice they stopped putting the "1 2 3.." numbers across the top of the displays (denoting their completion-order for each "test"), because 1) There was hardly enough time to see a difference for most of the tests; 2) There was no progressive-slowdown as the OS number increased.
Interesting video, though, FWIW.
Now if you want to see an interesting horse-race, take a look at this video.
OH YES! You're so brave for registering an account on Slashdot. I mean, you actually had to provide an email address to register. As we all know, that's not easy to do since there aren't any free email services available on the Internet that can be acquired without supplying verified credentials and identity verification. Now, everyone on Slashdot can see your deeply personal information like.... your email address. Oh, wait, you purposely have yours hidden. Well, still, it took a lot of courage to do what you did. Not as much courage as removing a headphone jack, but still, COURAGE!*
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This is what happens when you try to cost-reduce designs beyond all rational reason.
Damnit! Your data is solid (electrical college was a good laugh BTW, thank you).
I've called it that for so long I have to stop and think to say "Electoral"... ;-)
I hate People. Not you, not you. Just People with a capital P.
Yeah, well most people here hate me, too; so either way is ok, I guess!
But I hear ya. I generally hate "People" (Capital "P") as well...
Nevertheless, once turned on Siri is much the same privacy sucking nightmare Cortana and Google are.
Nope, sorry. That is incorrect.
Siri on MacOS (and also Siri on iOS 10) does its level-best to do as much as it can "client-side", directly on your Mac/iDevice. This is VERY different from Cortana an Google's "voice assist" stuff, which take every opportunity to send every utterance to their respective motherships.
If you would bothered to have watched the WWDC keynote, Apple talked at length about the lengths they have gone to make Siri, Dictation, and Spotlight do as much as they possibly can directly on the Mac itself, and when it is necessary to push something to their servers, they do it in an anonymized fashion using an technique known as "Differential Privacy". See the WWDC Keynote at Time Index 1:40:00 for a quick explanation of the measures that Apple is taking both on macOS and iOS 10 in the name of Privacy. Here's another article on Differential Privacy, and why it is pretty damned cool.
Well, due to a mishap in bureaucracy, accidentally two different offices ordered a license. The responsible official has been relocated to Sibiria for extended education.
Speaking of which, does anyone know what happened to the guys that Putin ordered about a month ago to decrypt the entire internet in 2 weeks or whatever that was?
So everyone who don't think like you are trolls and/or shills. Right?
You REALLY must be new around here!
People are more driven by television than reality, hence the reason advertising is structured the way it is
Actually, if history is any judge, Lyin' Trump will be the next President (Cthulu help us!) and instead of Lyin' Hillary (Cthulu help us!) because for the simple fact that Trump is the TALLER candidate. Plus, it doesn't help that he's a male, and even many females still believe that "President" is "man's work".
Seriously. Look it up (the height bias). Doesn't work as much for the Electrical College; but for the Popular Vote, it is true more than 2/3 of the time.
And if you watched the Debate, at the end when they are standing together side by side, you can clearly see that Trump (who is 6' 3") is a full "head" taller than Clinton.
Sad but true. We are not smart.
I'm sure if there is any proof of Apple spying on Users, You'll be the first to tell Us, right? Or are You saying You have that proof now? Or, is it more likely Apple has been completely above board knowing if They lie, even a little, it could destroy Their brand forever?
What lying? TFA stated that Apple had claimed something they really hadn't, and then excoriated them for somehow doing something they didn't say they didn't. Yes, that's a bunch of double-negatives; but it demonstrates the convoluted logic of TFA's claims.
Here: This commenter said it more clearly.
After you've had your morning, or noon, coffee you might realize what I was saying was that not only is your iPhone capable of spying on you, but now your Mac can too, all while Apple has been gettin up on stages and spouting how concerned they are about your privacy. After reading through the privacy notice about Siri I decided not to turn it on when I upgraded to Sierra.
So the warning was helpful to you. How is this news?
"Blackberry says It's Done"
There. That is much more concise. AND Accurate.
...if YOU don't encrypt it, it is NOT encrypted.
That goes for metadata, too.
So, please explain to me how a system that uses Apple's servers (or anyone's for that matter) would work, where the source and destination addresses were not in the clear.
OMG! Apple logs pretty much what any half-decent firewall or web server logs every time anyone sends a request/packet through it: source, target, timestamp.
These things are not even remotely similar.
Really? What's the difference? Edumacate us.
Even the turn-on dialog for Siri on the Mac says it will go through your Contacts list so Siri can 'know more about you'. Not good.
Would you rather it didn't warn you? The fact is, Siri is OFF by default on macOS; so if you are that privacy-conscious, you don't HAVE to "Opt-IN".
Sheesh! You'd have a point if Siri was ON by default and/or it didn't warn you BEFORE it scanned your Contacts.
Oh, and you don't HAVE to use MacOS' Contacts list. I NEVER have. The ONLY Contact I have EVER had in my macOS Contacts/Address Book for the past 16 years is my own.
OMG! Apple logs pretty much what any half-decent firewall or web server logs every time anyone sends a request/packet through it: source, target, timestamp.
Exactly. And unlike most firewalls and web server logs, Apple at least purges this every 30 days. Plus, they have a big ol' disclaimer that the information does not reflect that any actual communication took place. That disclaimer is more than enough for any half-braindead 1st year law student to stand on for "reasonable doubt".
And about location. Sure, an IP address can give you a location, if you consider "I'm somewhere in the Mall, or adjacent areas within reach of the wif signal" a "location".
It's not exactly granular. And with ISPs deploying carrier grade NAT (more common that you might think), IP address based location is worthless.
And isn't that exactly what the Courts have told Rightscorp, et al, when they have tried to sue based solely on an IP address?
Plus, this is even (much!) less information than a trap and trace or "pen register" log has contained from the POTS for decades. And they keep that information (and more) for what used to be 18 months, not 1 month, and I think they now keep that info in perpetuity.
And as TFA admits: "...based on the sample information provided in the FAQ, that Apple doesn’t appear to provide any indication whatsoever that an iMessage conversation took place."
And for anyone else who is not a dyed-in-the-wool fanboi, the differences are quite large, a factor of 3 or more in many cases. Case closed.
Did we actually watch the same video? I just re-watched the video, and other than the initial boot time, and perhaps the one iTunes "test", there isn't anything that is "a factor of 3 or more" between the OSes. And even more importantly, iOS 8 seems to be the overall slowest version, which is curious; because iOS 7 seems pretty fast; so something obviously happened in iOS 8. HOWEVER, iOS 9 does beat iOS 8 in almost every case, though; so you can see the result of Apple tweaking iOS 9 to improve performance on older devices.
And regardless of the exact differences between the versions, you are one spoiled little child if you call that a major slowdown across OS versions.
I think it's time the USA woke up to the fact that the anti-government / free market takes care of all of our problems approach is not necessarily having the best outcomes.
So you think this update was only for HP printers sold in the USA?
Stupid git.
If you're doing that, you must be really clueless about ecommerce mail order, or you just got started and haven't figured out the proper way to do shipping.
The way you ship stuff is you buy a Zebra 4x6 label printer, and print your postage labels on that. Then you just peel and stick. You can even print these labels from within PayPal, though you can get better rates through places like encidia.com if you do a lot of volume (there's a monthly fee for those places though, so it's only worth it if you ship a lot of stuff).
So, how does that make the labelling PAPERLESS?
And if you use a DTT (Direct Thermal Transfer) printer (which are the cheaper-type label printers), NOW you're putting Aluminum into the landfill ALONG with the paper.
VERY "green". NOT!!!
That's an entirely separate issue and the reason I don't personally use HP. However, it's not so bad that I would have recommended against them. Especially for everyday consumers who let the ink dry out in the printhead.
Yeah, the alternative is exactly that.
I had to trash an almost-new $500 Epson inkjet; because the head WASN'T in the cartridge, and if you didn't print at least once or twice per week, the ink turned to some sort of "concrete", that, despite my best efforts and best Googling, would not dissolve with anything that wouldn't also turn the print head to mush.
So, I'm kinda glad that HP decided to put the print-head into the print cartridge, thankyouverymuch.
This is where we are now. Everything you buy today is sold with Darth Vader terms "I've altered the deal, pray i dont alter it further" with no recourse other than to not buy or stop using it. IN the past you could work around these things, but DMCA kills most of that.. Unless you are running open solutions, you are at their mercy. We are here, we have arrived. Its not some dystopian future, its here, now, today.
Well if 3rd parties didn't create absolute substandard ink cartridges HP wouldn't be forced to do this. Instead you buy a 3rd party cartridge. It leaks or breaks in your printer. You call HP because your product is broken and they find out you didn't use a HP cartridge. Now it becomes a huge problem for their support department when trying to determine fault. Do you refuse support and send them to the 3rd party to fix their printer? That makes HP look bad... So it only makes sense to ban 3rd party cartridges.
Your reasoning falls-apart because HP didn't DISCLOSE that their driver update SURREPTITIOUSLY installed what amounted to a LOGIC BOMB in their Printer. Show me where it disclosed that in the EULA. Otherwise, it is by definition a FRAUD upon the consumer.
This is where we are now. Everything you buy today is sold with Darth Vader terms "I've altered the deal, pray i dont alter it further" with no recourse other than to not buy or stop using it. IN the past you could work around these things, but DMCA kills most of that.. Unless you are running open solutions, you are at their mercy. We are here, we have arrived. Its not some dystopian future, its here, now, today.
Yeah, good luck building that Open Source Printer...
old laser jet 4s?
Build like tanks and they can take network cards and more. Also will just say something like NON HP cartage on boot up but that does not stop them from working.
LJ 4s don't have any DRM on the carts. that I know of.
I'll second that!
I bought an LJ 4M (with the Postscript Module) and a Jet Direct card, used, at a Salvation Army for $8. It had 8,000 copies on it (!!!!!)
It will work for me until the heat-death of the universe.
It's REALLY slow rendering Postscript; but if you send it PCL, it's pretty fast (about 8 ppm?).
I would, however, look for an LJ 4+; because it has a "sleep" mode that is reduced power, and doesn't keep the fuser hot all the time, like the non-"plussed" LJ 4.
But for $8, with 8k copies, who am I to complain?
And even if you can't find one with a Jet Direct card, you can get those offa eBay for a small number of dollars all day long.
...Each inversion would have a smaller diameter than the one before in order to maintain the lethal 10 g to passengers while the train loses speed.
Carousel!
Orlando? Best coasters on the planet are in Ohio: Cedar Point (Mellenium Force) and Kings Island (Beast.)
The Beast would work REALLY well, since it is an intentionally-rough-ride WOODEN coaster that goes up to 70 mph on the first drop...
lol..this is pathetic. You know everyone is laughing at you right now right? You know that right??? Listen, you got called out for your bullshit. Don't fight it, just admit that you're a giant Apple cheerleader and move on. Stop digging your own grave. It's really no big deal, and it's not the end of the world. You'll be taken seriously again when you actually have a point that's not complete garbage. Here.. have a hug :)
As I replied to LynwoodRooster, I honestly really didn't see a definitive slowdown across the OS versions in that "Definitive Proof" video. In fact, the performance was remarkably the same from iOS 5 to iOS 9.
So, are you sure we were watching the same video? Because, if the performance dropped-off across the OSes, it would have been a much more confusing "horse race", as the versions got more and more "out of sync" with each "test".
And your data is... ? Nothing? Nothing at all? Hard video proof versus a mac fanboi's vapid claims?
And your data is... ? Nothing? Nothing at all? Hard video proof versus a mac fanboi's vapid claims?
As I said: I don't believe that is "Hard video proof" of ANYTHING, other than the OS versions are pretty close to the same, performance-wise.
And of course, your "standard" is impossible for me to meet; since I cannot go backwards as far as OS installation on my personal iPhone 4s or iPad 2.
Seriously, I watched the video, and it really didn't seem that different overall. And I really would have liked to see more "tests" that didn't rely so heavily on internet-speed; because the "local" operations seemed just about identical across the OS versions.
And most importantly, what I DIDN'T see was a progressive slow-down across the versions. IOW, you notice they stopped putting the "1 2 3.." numbers across the top of the displays (denoting their completion-order for each "test"), because 1) There was hardly enough time to see a difference for most of the tests; 2) There was no progressive-slowdown as the OS number increased.
Interesting video, though, FWIW.
Now if you want to see an interesting horse-race, take a look at this video.
OH YES! You're so brave for registering an account on Slashdot. I mean, you actually had to provide an email address to register. As we all know, that's not easy to do since there aren't any free email services available on the Internet that can be acquired without supplying verified credentials and identity verification. Now, everyone on Slashdot can see your deeply personal information like.... your email address. Oh, wait, you purposely have yours hidden. Well, still, it took a lot of courage to do what you did. Not as much courage as removing a headphone jack, but still, COURAGE!*
*Apple patent pending
Login and say that.