Android is different - the anti-malware software doesn't hog resources or slow your phone down. It just scans any app immediately after you install it.
Wow! If that's all Android "anti-virus" apps do, no WONDER people are having problems!
Most of the Android malware has been on the order of personal info-stealing kind. And with that, it is not the app itself that is directly malware; but rather what that app does.
I know that most geeks recommend running a firewall on Android; and if you think that doesn't consume additional resources or in some what affect performance, I've got a bridge to sell you...
So, your great solution is to expect everyone to be ever-vigilant.That is simply an untenable solution for 99% of the public. I don't know about you, but I simply don't have the time or thing inclination to worry about every single little utility or simple little app that might strike my fancy, or present a solution to fill a need.
People assume that if something made it into the App Store, it must be safe. That has been shown to be not correct on a number of occasions. Apple make mistakes too.
I think Apple has actually made a mistake about once. And that involved an app with hidden tethering features. Hardly "malware" in the classic sense. The other times were simply not Apple's fault; they involved Jailbroken iPhones only.
Now, let's compare that track record with Android...
They definitely took their time to deliver that second mouse button...
Yeah, about 2 years after Microsoft did.
MS didn't support a 2nd mouse button at the OS level until Windows '95 (certain applications allowed right-click functions, but it wasn't standardized in the OS until W'95. Some apps in the early MacOS allowed for multi-button mice, too; however.). So that's 1995 for Microsoft (and Linux, too; since it essentially didn't exist until then). MacOS added system-wide contexual-menu support for 2-button mice in System 8.0, which released in July, 1997. Since then, multi-button mouse support has increased, and in OS X, multi-button mouse support has been widely supported since day one.
Apple's Mighty Mouse and all their multitouch trackpads also support multiple buttons.
So, if you consider two years "taking their time", then I suppose so.
You might be interested to know that the original Lisa prototypes were based on a three-button mouse. We have Jef Raskin to thank for the single-button mouse. Him, and the usability studies that consistently showed that average users were befuddled by multiple mouse buttons.
The Kindle has been a huge success and has put Amazon at the front of eBook marketing.
The fact that you always think of what apple does in the best possible way really does mark you as a fanboi.
You'd have much more credibility if you said "Yeah, Jobs tried to dismiss the Kindle, but he was either being wrong or a salesman. Doesn't matter, Apple for now has conceded that market."
I'm not exactly sure that "conceded" is correct. Amazon is the 800lb gorilla; but they have huge brand recognition as a bookseller anyway. That's like saying that Microsoft owns the word-processing and spreadsheet markets. They don't even have to try.
However, it may surprise you to know that, at 100 million (dollars? units?) sales, Apple is the third-largest e-book seller, even ahead of Borders. Apple has also identified this as "a market worth pursuing", and real-world advantages for people who own more than one iOS device (buy once, read everywhere, and "bookmark syncing" between devices) which Kindle simply can't match, may soon propel Apple to the top spot, or at least a very strong second place. Prices are reportedly much lower on Apple' bookstore than on Amazon's, as well.
Now that Android phones evolved and got Better (both hardware and OS) than iPhone, iPhone fanboys keep using the "there are more apps on the iPhone" argument... it's the only argument that they have left...
Here are other arguments in favor of the iPhone. And, BTW, I do not own either an iPhone nor an Android phone:
1. Platform seems completely free of malware. (No "walled garden" rebuttal allowed; since there are still over 5 times as many apps as Android).
2. UI is far more fluid. Android users often complain of poor touch response and jerky zooming and even scrolling. It may seem like a small thing; but annoyances like that add up to an unsatisfactory user experience.
3. Battery life is superior. Android users tend to run too many energy-draining processes. While concurrent multitasking of userland apps (iOS definitely multiasks; it just doesn't do it willy-nilly) sounds like an advantage, WTF good is a phone that runs a dozen widgets concurrently, if it sits in your pocket, dead?
4. Far better displays (except, perhaps, for the OLED phones). Apple's IPS panels are simply gorgeous, period. And I defy you to find a review that says differently. There are some Android phones that are finally getting some decent displays, but it's far from a sure thing when shopping for an Android.
I'm sure there are more, but that's all I can think of in 2 minutes.
Yes I have... and if you think the iPad is an ergonomic wonder you have some serious issues.
And so your "ergonomic wonder" would be a QWERTY keyboard (with its layout specifically designed to slow down typing) and the mouse (which causes constant train-of-thought interruptions, by making people have to switch back and forth between different actions, and constant need to orient the "shared" hand between two utterly different locations and shapes)?
Seriously, given the fact that neural and vocal interfaces are a long way from being useful, given today's technology, how would you improve upon the tablet paradigm? And if we're talking about tablet interfaces, it appears that the majority of the Android tablets agree with the iPad "finger-sized" UI design; so, if the iPad isn't an ergonomic wonder, then neither are they.
MacOSX,iOS, Linux or Android (other popular Osses) are also full of flaws. The problem Window has, is it's actual success, because of the shear ammount of people which use windows makes it a big target for malware/viruswriters, but we already see a big increase in malware on the other OSses which are increasing in populairity... No OS is really secure and never will..
Windows fanboi much?
I don't know so much about Linux and Android (and there are plenty of people here that will take care of defending those OSes); but I'm not exactly sure which orifice you have pulled that statement out of when you include OS X and iOS.
Let's see: The number of viruses, trojans and other malware for iOS stands fast, at ZERO. Yes, Jailbreaking requires exploiting a vulnerability; but you said MALWARE was showing a "big increase". Such is simply not true. And with iOS, the "popularity" argument just completely falls apart. But don't let FACTS cloud your rant.
As for OS X, I guess you could consider an increase from TWO to THREE TROJANS (from which, no OS can be immune) (and zero viruses or other malware) a "big increase"; which statistically I guess it would be; but, you really need to come back when OS X has even as many pieces of malware as Linux (836); which will be a long, long, LONG time.
And in the case of MacDefender (the TROJAN which had the world abuzz two weeks ago), note that we don't hear about it anymore. Why? Because, like all TROJANS, it doesn't propogate quickly enough to remain viable, and because Apple has taken steps to stop it.
But you just keep on sucking Ballmer's cock; lord knows, SOMEBODY needs to!
That's quicker than I thought it would be - but in any case, 5 days is a whole lot more time than 5 seconds, and is plenty long enough for someone to walk away from your app because you didn't implement a feature quick enough. not a deal-breaker for major software houses with their large testing departments but for indie developers (like me), its critical.
That's assuming you are only going to have one sale. And I think that I've heard of apps being approved in under 24 hours. Not your benchmark of 5 seconds; but, considering the track record of iOS App Store security, I think that you would agree that it isn't an onerous delay. Apple's docs say that 92% of apps get approved/rejected in 7 days, and 95% of app updates get approved/rejected in 7 days. And it seems that the biggest part of the delay is in the input queue. When the status changes to "In Review", the average app goes live in under 24 hours.
Listen: I'm not normally a "Security over Freedom" kind of guy; but, just like I'm willing to put up with a well-regulated police force rather than have to sit up all night with a shotgun in my hands, I think that, at 350,000 iOS apps (and counting!) and no real viruses, Trojans, phishing scams, etc., not many people can make a reasonable argument that the iOS/App Store "curated collection" model isn't a good deal for 99% of users, or that the Walls of the Garden seriously affect about that same percentage of users. I can't drive my car 100MPH on city streets; but I'm willing to put up with that, because the stupid fucker driving while TEXTING on his cellphone can't (legally) do it, either.
And for the other 1%, there's Cydia (and for my car analogy, the Autobahn). So, I don't personally get what all the brouhaha is about. Don't like it, either JB your iPhone, or root your Android...
A better approach is Amazons, to make a market of wholly vetted apps where probably Amazon does more verification of who a publisher is. Then non-technical users can stick to that market.
Hmm. Sounds suspiciously like a Walled Garden that keeps getting bashed around here...
They're only charging $0 if your media is through iTunes.
Any other media you may want to store on the cloud will require a $24.99 a year subscription.
What does windows have to do with what I said? Stay focused. "Cheetah", "Puma", "Jaguar", "Panther", "Tiger", "Leopard", "Snow Leopard" & "Lion" are all the same operating system, and you have to pay for every friggin update. I am trying to say that even $30 is too expensive, when it is just an tiny update. It even looks the same as it used to. Service patches and updates are free from Microsoft, if you want to drag them into it. I never even mentioned them, and I'm pretty sure the jumps in Microsoft's OS's evolve in a wide berth, since the jump from 95 & 98 to 2000 involved going back to the NT architecture, which was changed dramatically for XP and Vista.
There are many, many, many changes under the hood in your progression of OS X versions.
Each year at WWDC, Jobs gets up and talks about al the new features, APIs, and other changes. And yet, because they have kept a relatively consistent look-and-feel, you discount it all as "Service Patches".
I have something to tell you: This has nothing to do with "Service Patches". Apple pushes those out at a fairly consistent rate, and for free. Always has, always will. Instead, each of these OS updates actually introduce NEW functionality, and lots of it.
In fact, the one time that wasn't the case, Leopard to Snow Leopard, Apple only charged $29 for a boxed retail copy of the OS. In that case, Jobs got up on stage and said, "This is a maintenance release. There aren't a lot of new features. We're just tightening up some stuff, and getting rid of some legacy cruft (like PPC code). Therefore, we're only gonna charge $29 instead of $129."
The only reason why they are doing that with Lion is that they are not suffering the costs of actually providing a physical media, and want people to move forward to a 64-bit-clean OS (which is why CoreDuo is not supported).
But for you to sit there and type that a decade's worth of thousands upon thousands of new APIs are nothing more than "Service Patches", is patently ridiculous.
Yeah you don't sound close minded and biased at all macs4all. The op wasn't claiming the iphone isn't a nice phone, or that apple don't have a good way of doing things, or a couple of unique features; just that they didn't invent the smart phone or that all other companies aren't just copycats. Sure they have influenced the other manufactures just like apple has been influenced by both windows and android.
DId you even read my comment?
I said that Apple was not always the inventor of everything, like you are implying. Or even that they "got it right" all the time.
What I said was, in my longer-than-I'd-like-to-admit experience with personal computers, and now, "computing devices" of all stripes, brands, and Operating Systems, that when Apple does something, regardless of who invented it first, that they have a far above average record of implementing said feature, technology, whatever, in a manner that is useful to more people, consistent with other parts, reliable, and secure.
Apple didn't invent USB. But there were virtually no USB peripherals before the original iMac.
Apple didn't invent WiFi. But it was a configuration nightmare before Airport. Same thing with videoconferencing.
Apple didn't invent the cellphone. But they sure as hell changed cellphones forever.
Apple didn't invent the tablet computer. But they sure invented the tablet that millions of people actually wanted. And in that case, the Windows world had what, about a decade head-start?
Apple didn't invent Unix. But they surely have brought a Unix derivative to the desktop. Something, again, that Linux (a Unix wannabe) had at least a five-year head start with, and still cannot gain traction with, well, almost everybody. And remember I specifically said "desktop". Linux rules in the backroom, just not the livingroom or the boardroom.
Now do you understand? Or would you rather just riff on my username?
Oh, and BTW, it's "closed minded", not "close minded". An appellation (not "Apple-ation") I have neatly and thoroughly refuted.
And you pull out your phone and find out it doesn't have reception because you are out in the boondocks and AT&T/Verizon/other carrier don't give a rat's ass about getting reception there.
Always a possibliltiy. But, would you rather reduce your chances to ZERO, just because?
And then... You're on an interstate highway at 2 am, 25 miles from the nearest exit, when a deer jumps out in front of your car. BAM! You hit the deer, instantly totaling the car... Worse than that, your ankle is broken from having your foot on the brake pedal at the time of impact. So you can't even think about walking. And because your car isn't functioning, suddenly the fact that it is 15 degrees outside starts to intrude more and more into your thoughts...
And then you look out the broken windshield and see your iphone lying shattered on the road, utterly useless.
Ten to one there are at least two orders of magnitude more iphones broken beyond repair each year than there are deer crashes.
Additionally, deer generally seem to avoid the two major interstates I infrequently travel (I-5 from Tacoma to Portland, and I-84 from Portland to Baker City.) Plus, both of those freeways are pretty active at any time of day or night, so if the above extremely unlikely scenario were to happen, I would have little trouble flagging down help and getting to the next town anyway. The remote possibility of such an inconvenience is more than worth it to me for the freedom to get away from everyone at will.
And so, since I didn't happen to GUESS at the ONE "emergency" that you might consider relevant to your life, you dismiss the entire idea.
Also, you do realize, of course, that all cellphones have a "silent" and an "OFF" feature, right? There is no earthly reason why you have to be "bothered" at all.
But who cares? Someday you'll be in a situation that will NOT be hypothetical...
And then... You're on an interstate highway at 2 am, 25 miles from the nearest exit, when a deer jumps out in front of your car. BAM! You hit the deer, instantly totaling the car... Worse than that, your ankle is broken from having your foot on the brake pedal at the time of impact. So you can't even think about walking. And because your car isn't functioning, suddenly the fact that it is 15 degrees outside starts to intrude more and more into your thoughts...
And then you look out the broken windshield and see your iphone lying shattered on the road, utterly useless.
Ten to one there are at least two orders of magnitude more iphones broken beyond repair each year than there are deer crashes.
HEY DICKWAD!
Did you see the word "iPhone" ANYWHERE in my post?!?
I was seriously just trying to convince the guy to rethink his decision to have ANY cellphone. Read his post, and read my reply. I was just trying to build a use-case for why someone MIGHT want to have a cellphone AT ALL.
Saying a touch screen "HTC" doesn't mean much. HTC makes a *ton* of different phones, from low-end sort-or-smart phones to super high-end Android devices that will run Quake 3 at 50FPS.
They also have made tons of Windows Mobile 6.x devices, which were terrible for non-techie people.
I got my wife the HD2 and she had all sorts of problems with Windows Mobile 6.5, but as soon as I loaded Android on it, she loved the phone.
Don't be so simplistic. They've read the tea leaves. They've done the market research. They've done the focus groups. They know that customers just aren't interested. They're not idiots.
It's also because the UI looks like ASS. It looks like something a sixth-grader, no make that a first-grader, would throw together in an hour. It looks like exactly what it is, a TABLE of ugly, tasteless swatches of busy, hard-to-read descriptions. Unlike a table of UNIQUE icons, there's absolutely nothing that triggers the "Grandmother Cells" in your brain. One app looks like the next, and they all look absolutely revolting.
The rest of the UI and OS in general might well be great; but it's kind of one of those "You never get a second chance to make a first impression." And if most people have the same reaction that I did, that first impression is far from favorable.
But you don't have to live in either. There's a whole life out there where you do not need them.
I heartily agree with this. Ever since the dawn of cell phones, I have lived my life just fine without one of any type. It is quite pleasant being untethered to a communications device and being able to be unavailable at will. Need to contact me? Call my home phone and leave a message, send an email, or send a private message on FaceBook, and I will get back to you at my convenience.
And then... You're on an interstate highway at 2 am, 25 miles from the nearest exit, when a deer jumps out in front of your car. BAM! You hit the deer, instantly totaling the car... Worse than that, your ankle is broken from having your foot on the brake pedal at the time of impact. So you can't even think about walking. And because your car isn't functioning, suddenly the fact that it is 15 degrees outside starts to intrude more and more into your thoughts...
I promise I'm not a microsoft plant, but, this far in to the game it's going to take some serious marketing muscle and simply attrition to break in to the consumer smartphone mindspace. Long term, consumers are going to increasingly ditch desktops for mobile consumer devices like tablets, laptops and smartphones. Microsoft is very weak in these markets. Someone finally got the smart idea to do a ground-up rebuild of their consumer mobile device OS, and tie it in with their desktop OS (win 8).
Expect failure. A lot.
But in the long game, Microsoft seems to have a winning strategy of providing a similar, united experience with their phone, mobile and desktop products.
But by then, Apple, who is seriously laying the groundwork for exactly that in Lion (which ships in July), will be close to iOS 6 (or whatever it will be called), and will be similarly far along on Ocelot (or whatever big cat is next).
Mango delivers last years Android features 6 months from now. I guess it's interesting for nostalgic value. Of course, by that time, Android and iOS will have lept past them yet again. It's a losing battle for MS. They're just too late. Better luck next round.
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It appears that this move isn't meddling from Redmond
There must be SOME way I can blame this on evil Microsoft. Were the fired execs open source, by any chance?
I think most humans are closed-source, actually, unless you count the Human Genome Project output as source code.
Android is different - the anti-malware software doesn't hog resources or slow your phone down. It just scans any app immediately after you install it.
Wow! If that's all Android "anti-virus" apps do, no WONDER people are having problems!
Most of the Android malware has been on the order of personal info-stealing kind. And with that, it is not the app itself that is directly malware; but rather what that app does.
I know that most geeks recommend running a firewall on Android; and if you think that doesn't consume additional resources or in some what affect performance, I've got a bridge to sell you...
So, your great solution is to expect everyone to be ever-vigilant.That is simply an untenable solution for 99% of the public. I don't know about you, but I simply don't have the time or thing inclination to worry about every single little utility or simple little app that might strike my fancy, or present a solution to fill a need.
People assume that if something made it into the App Store, it must be safe. That has been shown to be not correct on a number of occasions. Apple make mistakes too.
I think Apple has actually made a mistake about once. And that involved an app with hidden tethering features. Hardly "malware" in the classic sense. The other times were simply not Apple's fault; they involved Jailbroken iPhones only.
Now, let's compare that track record with Android...
They definitely took their time to deliver that second mouse button...
Yeah, about 2 years after Microsoft did.
MS didn't support a 2nd mouse button at the OS level until Windows '95 (certain applications allowed right-click functions, but it wasn't standardized in the OS until W'95. Some apps in the early MacOS allowed for multi-button mice, too; however.). So that's 1995 for Microsoft (and Linux, too; since it essentially didn't exist until then). MacOS added system-wide contexual-menu support for 2-button mice in System 8.0, which released in July, 1997. Since then, multi-button mouse support has increased, and in OS X, multi-button mouse support has been widely supported since day one.
Apple's Mighty Mouse and all their multitouch trackpads also support multiple buttons.
So, if you consider two years "taking their time", then I suppose so.
You might be interested to know that the original Lisa prototypes were based on a three-button mouse. We have Jef Raskin to thank for the single-button mouse. Him, and the usability studies that consistently showed that average users were befuddled by multiple mouse buttons.
The Kindle has been a huge success and has put Amazon at the front of eBook marketing.
The fact that you always think of what apple does in the best possible way really does mark you as a fanboi.
You'd have much more credibility if you said "Yeah, Jobs tried to dismiss the Kindle, but he was either being wrong or a salesman. Doesn't matter, Apple for now has conceded that market."
I'm not exactly sure that "conceded" is correct. Amazon is the 800lb gorilla; but they have huge brand recognition as a bookseller anyway. That's like saying that Microsoft owns the word-processing and spreadsheet markets. They don't even have to try.
However, it may surprise you to know that, at 100 million (dollars? units?) sales, Apple is the third-largest e-book seller, even ahead of Borders. Apple has also identified this as "a market worth pursuing", and real-world advantages for people who own more than one iOS device (buy once, read everywhere, and "bookmark syncing" between devices) which Kindle simply can't match, may soon propel Apple to the top spot, or at least a very strong second place. Prices are reportedly much lower on Apple' bookstore than on Amazon's, as well.
Now that Android phones evolved and got Better (both hardware and OS) than iPhone, iPhone fanboys keep using the "there are more apps on the iPhone" argument... it's the only argument that they have left...
Here are other arguments in favor of the iPhone. And, BTW, I do not own either an iPhone nor an Android phone:
1. Platform seems completely free of malware. (No "walled garden" rebuttal allowed; since there are still over 5 times as many apps as Android).
2. UI is far more fluid. Android users often complain of poor touch response and jerky zooming and even scrolling. It may seem like a small thing; but annoyances like that add up to an unsatisfactory user experience.
3. Battery life is superior. Android users tend to run too many energy-draining processes. While concurrent multitasking of userland apps (iOS definitely multiasks; it just doesn't do it willy-nilly) sounds like an advantage, WTF good is a phone that runs a dozen widgets concurrently, if it sits in your pocket, dead?
4. Far better displays (except, perhaps, for the OLED phones). Apple's IPS panels are simply gorgeous, period. And I defy you to find a review that says differently. There are some Android phones that are finally getting some decent displays, but it's far from a sure thing when shopping for an Android.
I'm sure there are more, but that's all I can think of in 2 minutes.
Yes I have... and if you think the iPad is an ergonomic wonder you have some serious issues.
And so your "ergonomic wonder" would be a QWERTY keyboard (with its layout specifically designed to slow down typing) and the mouse (which causes constant train-of-thought interruptions, by making people have to switch back and forth between different actions, and constant need to orient the "shared" hand between two utterly different locations and shapes)?
Seriously, given the fact that neural and vocal interfaces are a long way from being useful, given today's technology, how would you improve upon the tablet paradigm? And if we're talking about tablet interfaces, it appears that the majority of the Android tablets agree with the iPad "finger-sized" UI design; so, if the iPad isn't an ergonomic wonder, then neither are they.
MacOSX,iOS, Linux or Android (other popular Osses) are also full of flaws. The problem Window has, is it's actual success, because of the shear ammount of people which use windows makes it a big target for malware/viruswriters, but we already see a big increase in malware on the other OSses which are increasing in populairity... No OS is really secure and never will..
Windows fanboi much?
I don't know so much about Linux and Android (and there are plenty of people here that will take care of defending those OSes); but I'm not exactly sure which orifice you have pulled that statement out of when you include OS X and iOS.
Let's see: The number of viruses, trojans and other malware for iOS stands fast, at ZERO. Yes, Jailbreaking requires exploiting a vulnerability; but you said MALWARE was showing a "big increase". Such is simply not true. And with iOS, the "popularity" argument just completely falls apart. But don't let FACTS cloud your rant.
As for OS X, I guess you could consider an increase from TWO to THREE TROJANS (from which, no OS can be immune) (and zero viruses or other malware) a "big increase"; which statistically I guess it would be; but, you really need to come back when OS X has even as many pieces of malware as Linux (836); which will be a long, long, LONG time.
And in the case of MacDefender (the TROJAN which had the world abuzz two weeks ago), note that we don't hear about it anymore. Why? Because, like all TROJANS, it doesn't propogate quickly enough to remain viable, and because Apple has taken steps to stop it.
But you just keep on sucking Ballmer's cock; lord knows, SOMEBODY needs to!
That's quicker than I thought it would be - but in any case, 5 days is a whole lot more time than 5 seconds, and is plenty long enough for someone to walk away from your app because you didn't implement a feature quick enough. not a deal-breaker for major software houses with their large testing departments but for indie developers (like me), its critical.
That's assuming you are only going to have one sale. And I think that I've heard of apps being approved in under 24 hours. Not your benchmark of 5 seconds; but, considering the track record of iOS App Store security, I think that you would agree that it isn't an onerous delay. Apple's docs say that 92% of apps get approved/rejected in 7 days, and 95% of app updates get approved/rejected in 7 days. And it seems that the biggest part of the delay is in the input queue. When the status changes to "In Review", the average app goes live in under 24 hours.
Listen: I'm not normally a "Security over Freedom" kind of guy; but, just like I'm willing to put up with a well-regulated police force rather than have to sit up all night with a shotgun in my hands, I think that, at 350,000 iOS apps (and counting!) and no real viruses, Trojans, phishing scams, etc., not many people can make a reasonable argument that the iOS/App Store "curated collection" model isn't a good deal for 99% of users, or that the Walls of the Garden seriously affect about that same percentage of users. I can't drive my car 100MPH on city streets; but I'm willing to put up with that, because the stupid fucker driving while TEXTING on his cellphone can't (legally) do it, either.
And for the other 1%, there's Cydia (and for my car analogy, the Autobahn). So, I don't personally get what all the brouhaha is about. Don't like it, either JB your iPhone, or root your Android...
They should criminalize possession.
With the penalty being that they seize and destroy your virus-ridden, spam-spewing computer.
Wouldn't THAT bring the Windows marketshare numbers down in a helluva hurry? ;-)
I really dont want to see long approval processes like the Apple store.
I think I heard that the average iOS app gets approved in less than 5 days.
A better approach is Amazons, to make a market of wholly vetted apps where probably Amazon does more verification of who a publisher is. Then non-technical users can stick to that market.
Hmm. Sounds suspiciously like a Walled Garden that keeps getting bashed around here...
Except with a fraction of the available apps.
Well, apparently, Android doesn't like you :-)
Oh, but you're wrong! Android like him long time!
The choice isn't there. You can't buy the phone at a reduced plan price from anyone but AT&T.
I thought that the Verizon iPhone was subsidized, too...
Or, are you only considering the GSM iPhone?
They're only charging $0 if your media is through iTunes. Any other media you may want to store on the cloud will require a $24.99 a year subscription.
Ooooo! $25 a fucking YEAR! How moneygrubbing!
Gimme a break.
What does windows have to do with what I said? Stay focused. "Cheetah", "Puma", "Jaguar", "Panther", "Tiger", "Leopard", "Snow Leopard" & "Lion" are all the same operating system, and you have to pay for every friggin update. I am trying to say that even $30 is too expensive, when it is just an tiny update. It even looks the same as it used to. Service patches and updates are free from Microsoft, if you want to drag them into it. I never even mentioned them, and I'm pretty sure the jumps in Microsoft's OS's evolve in a wide berth, since the jump from 95 & 98 to 2000 involved going back to the NT architecture, which was changed dramatically for XP and Vista.
There are many, many, many changes under the hood in your progression of OS X versions.
Each year at WWDC, Jobs gets up and talks about al the new features, APIs, and other changes. And yet, because they have kept a relatively consistent look-and-feel, you discount it all as "Service Patches".
I have something to tell you: This has nothing to do with "Service Patches". Apple pushes those out at a fairly consistent rate, and for free. Always has, always will. Instead, each of these OS updates actually introduce NEW functionality, and lots of it.
In fact, the one time that wasn't the case, Leopard to Snow Leopard, Apple only charged $29 for a boxed retail copy of the OS. In that case, Jobs got up on stage and said, "This is a maintenance release. There aren't a lot of new features. We're just tightening up some stuff, and getting rid of some legacy cruft (like PPC code). Therefore, we're only gonna charge $29 instead of $129."
The only reason why they are doing that with Lion is that they are not suffering the costs of actually providing a physical media, and want people to move forward to a 64-bit-clean OS (which is why CoreDuo is not supported).
But for you to sit there and type that a decade's worth of thousands upon thousands of new APIs are nothing more than "Service Patches", is patently ridiculous.
Yeah you don't sound close minded and biased at all macs4all. The op wasn't claiming the iphone isn't a nice phone, or that apple don't have a good way of doing things, or a couple of unique features; just that they didn't invent the smart phone or that all other companies aren't just copycats. Sure they have influenced the other manufactures just like apple has been influenced by both windows and android.
DId you even read my comment?
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I said that Apple was not always the inventor of everything, like you are implying. Or even that they "got it right" all the time.
What I said was, in my longer-than-I'd-like-to-admit experience with personal computers, and now, "computing devices" of all stripes, brands, and Operating Systems, that when Apple does something, regardless of who invented it first, that they have a far above average record of implementing said feature, technology, whatever, in a manner that is useful to more people, consistent with other parts, reliable, and secure
Apple didn't invent USB. But there were virtually no USB peripherals before the original iMac.
Apple didn't invent WiFi. But it was a configuration nightmare before Airport. Same thing with videoconferencing.
Apple didn't invent the cellphone. But they sure as hell changed cellphones forever.
Apple didn't invent the tablet computer. But they sure invented the tablet that millions of people actually wanted. And in that case, the Windows world had what, about a decade head-start?
Apple didn't invent Unix. But they surely have brought a Unix derivative to the desktop. Something, again, that Linux (a Unix wannabe) had at least a five-year head start with, and still cannot gain traction with, well, almost everybody. And remember I specifically said "desktop". Linux rules in the backroom, just not the livingroom or the boardroom.
Now do you understand? Or would you rather just riff on my username?
Oh, and BTW, it's "closed minded", not "close minded". An appellation (not "Apple-ation") I have neatly and thoroughly refuted.
And you pull out your phone and find out it doesn't have reception because you are out in the boondocks and AT&T/Verizon/other carrier don't give a rat's ass about getting reception there.
Always a possibliltiy. But, would you rather reduce your chances to ZERO, just because?
And then... You're on an interstate highway at 2 am, 25 miles from the nearest exit, when a deer jumps out in front of your car. BAM! You hit the deer, instantly totaling the car... Worse than that, your ankle is broken from having your foot on the brake pedal at the time of impact. So you can't even think about walking. And because your car isn't functioning, suddenly the fact that it is 15 degrees outside starts to intrude more and more into your thoughts...
And then you look out the broken windshield and see your iphone lying shattered on the road, utterly useless.
Ten to one there are at least two orders of magnitude more iphones broken beyond repair each year than there are deer crashes.
Additionally, deer generally seem to avoid the two major interstates I infrequently travel (I-5 from Tacoma to Portland, and I-84 from Portland to Baker City.) Plus, both of those freeways are pretty active at any time of day or night, so if the above extremely unlikely scenario were to happen, I would have little trouble flagging down help and getting to the next town anyway. The remote possibility of such an inconvenience is more than worth it to me for the freedom to get away from everyone at will.
And so, since I didn't happen to GUESS at the ONE "emergency" that you might consider relevant to your life, you dismiss the entire idea.
Also, you do realize, of course, that all cellphones have a "silent" and an "OFF" feature, right? There is no earthly reason why you have to be "bothered" at all.
But who cares? Someday you'll be in a situation that will NOT be hypothetical...
And then... You're on an interstate highway at 2 am, 25 miles from the nearest exit, when a deer jumps out in front of your car. BAM! You hit the deer, instantly totaling the car... Worse than that, your ankle is broken from having your foot on the brake pedal at the time of impact. So you can't even think about walking. And because your car isn't functioning, suddenly the fact that it is 15 degrees outside starts to intrude more and more into your thoughts...
And then you look out the broken windshield and see your iphone lying shattered on the road, utterly useless.
Ten to one there are at least two orders of magnitude more iphones broken beyond repair each year than there are deer crashes.
HEY DICKWAD!
Did you see the word "iPhone" ANYWHERE in my post?!?
I was seriously just trying to convince the guy to rethink his decision to have ANY cellphone. Read his post, and read my reply. I was just trying to build a use-case for why someone MIGHT want to have a cellphone AT ALL.
What a maroon!
Saying a touch screen "HTC" doesn't mean much. HTC makes a *ton* of different phones, from low-end sort-or-smart phones to super high-end Android devices that will run Quake 3 at 50FPS.
They also have made tons of Windows Mobile 6.x devices, which were terrible for non-techie people.
I got my wife the HD2 and she had all sorts of problems with Windows Mobile 6.5, but as soon as I loaded Android on it, she loved the phone.
That's because it is a shameless clone of iOS.
Don't be so simplistic. They've read the tea leaves. They've done the market research. They've done the focus groups. They know that customers just aren't interested. They're not idiots.
It's also because the UI looks like ASS. It looks like something a sixth-grader, no make that a first-grader, would throw together in an hour. It looks like exactly what it is, a TABLE of ugly, tasteless swatches of busy, hard-to-read descriptions. Unlike a table of UNIQUE icons, there's absolutely nothing that triggers the "Grandmother Cells" in your brain. One app looks like the next, and they all look absolutely revolting.
The rest of the UI and OS in general might well be great; but it's kind of one of those "You never get a second chance to make a first impression." And if most people have the same reaction that I did, that first impression is far from favorable.
But you don't have to live in either. There's a whole life out there where you do not need them.
I heartily agree with this. Ever since the dawn of cell phones, I have lived my life just fine without one of any type. It is quite pleasant being untethered to a communications device and being able to be unavailable at will. Need to contact me? Call my home phone and leave a message, send an email, or send a private message on FaceBook, and I will get back to you at my convenience.
And then... You're on an interstate highway at 2 am, 25 miles from the nearest exit, when a deer jumps out in front of your car. BAM! You hit the deer, instantly totaling the car... Worse than that, your ankle is broken from having your foot on the brake pedal at the time of impact. So you can't even think about walking. And because your car isn't functioning, suddenly the fact that it is 15 degrees outside starts to intrude more and more into your thoughts...
I promise I'm not a microsoft plant, but, this far in to the game it's going to take some serious marketing muscle and simply attrition to break in to the consumer smartphone mindspace. Long term, consumers are going to increasingly ditch desktops for mobile consumer devices like tablets, laptops and smartphones. Microsoft is very weak in these markets. Someone finally got the smart idea to do a ground-up rebuild of their consumer mobile device OS, and tie it in with their desktop OS (win 8). Expect failure. A lot. But in the long game, Microsoft seems to have a winning strategy of providing a similar, united experience with their phone, mobile and desktop products.
But by then, Apple, who is seriously laying the groundwork for exactly that in Lion (which ships in July), will be close to iOS 6 (or whatever it will be called), and will be similarly far along on Ocelot (or whatever big cat is next).
Mango delivers last years Android features 6 months from now. I guess it's interesting for nostalgic value. Of course, by that time, Android and iOS will have lept past them yet again. It's a losing battle for MS. They're just too late. Better luck next round.
Yes, yes. We all know just HOW innovative Android is...
[Rollseyes]
Mango's a fruit, like Apple.
Curiously not, if you live in the midwest of the U.S. There, "Mango" is what some people call a Green Bell Pepper.
I never understood it either, and I'm from Indiana.