The iPhone 7 gets only 14 hours of internet use.. Even if it gets 40 hours just listening to music, no one is going to do that.
Are you seriously going to "counter" with "it only gets 14 hours of Internet use"? Who the fuck spends 14 hours in one day (or maybe even TWO days) on their PHONE doing ANYTHING? If you do, there's medications to help with that...
He must not listen to music for great lengths of time if he's not worried about charging while playing.
I don't know hat you consider "great lengths"; but If you're just listening to music with an iPhone 7, the battery life is like 40 hours continuous for the 7, and 60 (!!!) hours continuous for the 7 Plus; so get a grip.
Have you tried any of the apps I mentioned? Because the pair thing Apple is going to just blame on the car manufacturer, but attempting to start Pandora flat-out crashes CarPlay entirely so that no other third-party apps work until the phone is rebooted. Spotify "works," up until the point where you try and play a song, and then enters a weird state where the media controls display, but nothing else does. NPR One just never really worked with CarPlay anyway (it never makes it past "loading") so whatever. Apps that used to work with CarPlay suddenly failing to work is Apple's fault, no matter how much they're just going to blame the head unit manufacturers.
Is that iOS 10's fault, or the App Vendor's fault for not rolling-out an iOS 10 compatible App? I'm betting the latter. And they've only had since July to test and fix their Apps.
Spotify seems to be having a war with Apple, because they violated Apple's ToS, so now Apple and Spotify are caught in a deadly embrace, where Spotify won't comply, and Apple won't approve their Updated App. By the way, people report issues with iOS 9.3.5 and Spotify, too.
NPR just flat-out doesn't know how to get good coders. Their stuff has always sucked. But I don't see anything on Google about NPR One and iOS 10 (other than a link to this Slashot Article...;-) ).
That's what you get from a wholly-Chinese company.
And no, using Chinese Contract Manufacturing is NOT the same. Contract Manufacturers don't control the firmware, nor have the signing keys or software distribution abilities.
I wonder how many people who bought the iPhone 7 even considered the removal of the port. Many of them will find themselves stuck after buying the device and will basically be forced into submission.
I asked the one (not Apple fanboy; but iPhone owner) cow-orker that pre-ordered a couple of iPhone 7s for he and his wife, whether he worried about the removal of the 3.5mm jack.
His reply: "I don't see it as a big deal. They include an adapter, don't they?"
So, I think most people are just going to plug the adapter onto their headphones/earbuds/headset and go on with their lives. Hopefully, the retention-force of the 3.5mm jack on the adapter will be high-enough that it will tend to stay attached, once it is mated with your old-skool headphone cable.
we won't truly know the impact of removing the headphone jack until at least 2018, realistically.
And if history is any predictor, every other OEM will follow Apple, and by 2018 it will be a moot point; since there won't be 3 phones total left on the market that still have a 3.5mm jack.
Aren't half of the Macbook user base moronic DJs that use the 3.5mm jack to blast crappy house music at crappy parties? Shouldn't Apple know this?
Most of the moronic (and non-moronic) DJs use digital interfaces anyway, usually USB. The only thing most of them use the 3.5mm jack for is a last-ditch backup in case their interface falls over during a gig.
My company, and me personally, do not buy mac books because they lack ethernet jacks. We're also not alone. It has cost them, just like this will.
You do realize of course that you are basing your purchasing decisions on using a $30 TB Ethernet port dongle, for those fairly rare occasions when decent WiFi isn't available in an office environment. And if you don't want an official Apple one, you can get Grey-Market (bootleg non MFi-licensed) Adapters on Amazon for about $15. To me, that seems a pretty petty thing to base an entire laptop-level buying decision on.
True audiophiles were already using external DACs anyway like my professional musician friend friend who uses them to hookup sound systems instead of using the noisy DACs included in PCs/Macs.
PCs (especially laptops) are NOTORIOUSLY noisy (but usually it is not really the DAC, per se, that is at fault). But Macs (including laptops) generally have VERY good audio specs, in fact, surprisingly so.
But an external DAC should be at least slightly better in all cases, if only to get the Analog stuff out of the noisy digital environment and somewhat "trashy" (electrically-noisy) power supply.
Anyone who stayed with Apple after the lightning connector change will stay with Apple after this, save a very small (and vocal) minority.
Well, since GLOBAL supplies of the iPhone 7 (Plus) are already sold-out, I would say that Apple is probably feeling that pulling the 3.5mm jack is not a "deal breaker" for most people. And they'd be right.
But I also think that the Mac is not an iPhone, and different rules apply. Therefore, the 3.5mm jack should stay, at least for the time being, on the Macs.
Those were all technologies that were in some way vastly superseded in quality or functionality.
The standard audio jack is currently extremely high quality (yay push-pull transistors) and universally standard and will remain so, outside of the apple-verse, for decades to come.
What's a push-pull transistor? There is no such thing. There are push-pull transistor CIRCUITS; but not push-pull transistors...
Getting rid of the headphone jack on all Apple's products will be suicide for them.
Yes, just like when Apple removed the serial port, parallel port, 5.25" floppy drive, 3.5" floppy drive, VGA port, Ethernet port, and when they introduced the lightning connector. After all of that, I'm sure getting rid of the headphone jack will be the straw that broke the camel's back.
I agree that this won't be "suicide for them".
But I also believe that now isn't the time. Let's let the iPhone thing play out a little, and let the market start to let-go of the 3.5mm jack a bit, and then it won't seem so "weird" to replace the 3.5mm jack with a Lightning port, or just eliminate it altogether.
You greatly overestimate their technical competance. I know of a number of "Pro" sound engineers who have blown more than one iphone audio output by plugging in jack-xlr with phantom power on the channel.
And Muso's are far worse than them with tech, especially guitarists, who dont understand cause and effect.
That's because cheezy mixing consoles are built with GLOBAL Phantom Power, and people forget that they enabled it once to use that ONE mic that requires it.
But you're right about guitarists; most of them are pretty dangerous around technology beyond a 9V battery...
That said on a real desktop PC (Mac) I don't really see a good argument for removing the 3.5mm jack at this time. Neither space, power or cost are constraints and there is no advantage to the user in removing it unless you get something in return. None of those things apply to desktop PCs. I can at least see the argument on a smartphone whether or not I agree with it but those arguments don't apply to desktop machines.
I'm absolutely with you on this!
On the iPhone, I could see the argument for removing the 3.5mm jack; but not on their flagship laptop. As you said, there are absolutely no space or water-resistance benefits to be gained, and the general "annoyance factor" of having to deal with an adapter/hub is simply not worth it.
Now, should the Mac line be upgraded to use the W1 chip? SURE! That's pretty much a no-brainer for those who want to use Bluetooth
And also, if Apple wants to put a Lightning port on their Macs, I think that makes perfect sense going forward. That way, you can use the same Lightning headset between your iPhone and your Mac. But for now, at least, I'd leave the 3.5mm jacks (which also support TOSLink, BTW) right where they are.
Sorry, no. If I were a fry cook, I wouldn't likely have a chance to surf/. at work. In this particular incarnation, I am employed as a Windows Application Developer.
Li-ion and Li-Po batteries have a MUCH reduced "memory effect", relative to earlier Ni-Cad and Ni-Mh batteries. But they DO have the effect to some degree.
The memory effect is a myth, but Lithium Ion batteries eventually go bad permanently if not kept charged, but not overcharged. The apparent memory effect was something caused by charging multiple-cell packs without balancing. You'd get overcharged cells which would result in reverse charging of some cells during the discharge process that was supposed to protect them from memory effect. Now we all have balance chargers for our RC cars and planes and quads, and the only thing we have to worry about is abuse of battery chemistry. That is to say, damaging the electrolyte by overcharging, excessive charge rate, storing an excessive charge, permitting it to become excessively discharged, or storing it too long with too much or too little charge.
Interesting. I knew some of that, but definitely learned a thing or two.
"Apple has charged their Li-Ion and Li-Po batteries to around 85% for like, forever"? You mean, when my iPhone6 says it's 100% charged, it's really only 85% charged? So I actually don't need to worry about overcharging it? I would love to believe this!
I believe that is precisely the case. However, this Apple page explains it a little more clearly. So it appears that they have found that you can charge to 100% without damage, if you drastically change the charge-rate at around 80%.
Not only is that illegal; but it flies in the face of Apple's iOS business model.
So change the law, and fuck Apple's business model.
Oh, so having an EMBEDDED device with the Hardware and Software designed by the same party is a BAD thing?
You're nuts.
Mr. Smarty-Pants Communist?
That's a comedy reference, you dolt. Look it up.
Meanwhile, your fanatical and slavish devotion to Apple blinds you to the fact that the new IPhone is completely broken for a common use case: listen to music for more than five hours (so you can't use wireless earbuds) and charge phone while listening to music (on train etc.).
So, not being able to use headphones and charge the phone is a real issue for them
Fortunately, Belkin has already fixed the problem. And knowing China, it will be about 5 nanoseconds before that is copied and sold for 5 Ruan locally.
Second, a large portion of people who buy iPhones are idiots who either don't know the jack is missing or haven't yet realized what a pain in the ass it will be.
Now where's YOUR citation, COWARD?
This is one of Apple's dick-moves that will need a great deal of time to fully materialize. After all, the phone hasn't actually landed in public hands yet. Recall the first iPhone with it's bastardized, recessed headphone jack. Typical for Apple to fuck with a known standard in order to grab more cash, but that backlash was enough for them to save face by switching back to a normal headphone jack with the iPhone 3G.
Really? All that vitriol because someone at Apple (Jony Ive?) fucked up and didn't test EVERY headphone on the market, to see that SOME headphones/earbuds had a BUNCH of plastic around the tip of the plug. It isn't like they violated some "standard" about how much room had to be left around the jack. Plus, It wasn't that they used an "abnormal" headphone jack; they just made the MISTAKE (which they corrected the next go-round) of RECESSING the jack, FFS. I've owned other equipment that has had that same problem, precisely BECAUSE there isn't a "standard" on the maximum outer diameter of the PLASTIC on a 4.5mm male.
Pity android users? Isnt the current IOS update bricking iphones? Id rather have a grenade than a brick any day.
1. Better a brick than a bomb, eh?
2. The "bricking" affected a very small number of users, was only temporary, was recoverable by the user (making the term "bricking" somewhat hyperbolic), and lasted one whole HOUR before Apple fixed the problem.
Oh, and didn't set any iPhones or iPads on fire...
Kind of a different situation, wouldn't you say? But of course you wouldn't, Hater.
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In which case we'll never know whether they were right or wrong.
Oh yes we will.
The iPhone 7 gets only 14 hours of internet use.. Even if it gets 40 hours just listening to music, no one is going to do that.
Are you seriously going to "counter" with "it only gets 14 hours of Internet use"? Who the fuck spends 14 hours in one day (or maybe even TWO days) on their PHONE doing ANYTHING? If you do, there's medications to help with that...
He must not listen to music for great lengths of time if he's not worried about charging while playing.
I don't know hat you consider "great lengths"; but If you're just listening to music with an iPhone 7, the battery life is like 40 hours continuous for the 7, and 60 (!!!) hours continuous for the 7 Plus; so get a grip.
Have you tried any of the apps I mentioned? Because the pair thing Apple is going to just blame on the car manufacturer, but attempting to start Pandora flat-out crashes CarPlay entirely so that no other third-party apps work until the phone is rebooted. Spotify "works," up until the point where you try and play a song, and then enters a weird state where the media controls display, but nothing else does. NPR One just never really worked with CarPlay anyway (it never makes it past "loading") so whatever. Apps that used to work with CarPlay suddenly failing to work is Apple's fault, no matter how much they're just going to blame the head unit manufacturers.
Is that iOS 10's fault, or the App Vendor's fault for not rolling-out an iOS 10 compatible App? I'm betting the latter. And they've only had since July to test and fix their Apps.
;-) ).
Also, Pandora apparently works if you uninstall and reinstall the App. Even though they apparently haven't released an iOS 10 compatible version yet.
Spotify seems to be having a war with Apple, because they violated Apple's ToS, so now Apple and Spotify are caught in a deadly embrace, where Spotify won't comply, and Apple won't approve their Updated App. By the way, people report issues with iOS 9.3.5 and Spotify, too.
NPR just flat-out doesn't know how to get good coders. Their stuff has always sucked. But I don't see anything on Google about NPR One and iOS 10 (other than a link to this Slashot Article...
That's what you get from a wholly-Chinese company.
And no, using Chinese Contract Manufacturing is NOT the same. Contract Manufacturers don't control the firmware, nor have the signing keys or software distribution abilities.
The sell outs are planned.
Wrap another layer of tinfoil on that hat. The mind-control rays are obviously still getting in...
I wonder how many people who bought the iPhone 7 even considered the removal of the port. Many of them will find themselves stuck after buying the device and will basically be forced into submission.
I asked the one (not Apple fanboy; but iPhone owner) cow-orker that pre-ordered a couple of iPhone 7s for he and his wife, whether he worried about the removal of the 3.5mm jack.
His reply: "I don't see it as a big deal. They include an adapter, don't they?"
So, I think most people are just going to plug the adapter onto their headphones/earbuds/headset and go on with their lives. Hopefully, the retention-force of the 3.5mm jack on the adapter will be high-enough that it will tend to stay attached, once it is mated with your old-skool headphone cable.
we won't truly know the impact of removing the headphone jack until at least 2018, realistically.
And if history is any predictor, every other OEM will follow Apple, and by 2018 it will be a moot point; since there won't be 3 phones total left on the market that still have a 3.5mm jack.
Aren't half of the Macbook user base moronic DJs that use the 3.5mm jack to blast crappy house music at crappy parties? Shouldn't Apple know this?
Most of the moronic (and non-moronic) DJs use digital interfaces anyway, usually USB. The only thing most of them use the 3.5mm jack for is a last-ditch backup in case their interface falls over during a gig.
My company, and me personally, do not buy mac books because they lack ethernet jacks. We're also not alone. It has cost them, just like this will.
You do realize of course that you are basing your purchasing decisions on using a $30 TB Ethernet port dongle, for those fairly rare occasions when decent WiFi isn't available in an office environment. And if you don't want an official Apple one, you can get Grey-Market (bootleg non MFi-licensed) Adapters on Amazon for about $15. To me, that seems a pretty petty thing to base an entire laptop-level buying decision on.
True audiophiles were already using external DACs anyway like my professional musician friend friend who uses them to hookup sound systems instead of using the noisy DACs included in PCs/Macs.
PCs (especially laptops) are NOTORIOUSLY noisy (but usually it is not really the DAC, per se, that is at fault). But Macs (including laptops) generally have VERY good audio specs, in fact, surprisingly so.
But an external DAC should be at least slightly better in all cases, if only to get the Analog stuff out of the noisy digital environment and somewhat "trashy" (electrically-noisy) power supply.
Anyone who stayed with Apple after the lightning connector change will stay with Apple after this, save a very small (and vocal) minority.
Well, since GLOBAL supplies of the iPhone 7 (Plus) are already sold-out, I would say that Apple is probably feeling that pulling the 3.5mm jack is not a "deal breaker" for most people. And they'd be right.
But I also think that the Mac is not an iPhone, and different rules apply. Therefore, the 3.5mm jack should stay, at least for the time being, on the Macs.
Those were all technologies that were in some way vastly superseded in quality or functionality. The standard audio jack is currently extremely high quality (yay push-pull transistors) and universally standard and will remain so, outside of the apple-verse, for decades to come.
What's a push-pull transistor? There is no such thing. There are push-pull transistor CIRCUITS; but not push-pull transistors...
Getting rid of the headphone jack on all Apple's products will be suicide for them.
Yes, just like when Apple removed the serial port, parallel port, 5.25" floppy drive, 3.5" floppy drive, VGA port, Ethernet port, and when they introduced the lightning connector. After all of that, I'm sure getting rid of the headphone jack will be the straw that broke the camel's back.
I agree that this won't be "suicide for them".
But I also believe that now isn't the time. Let's let the iPhone thing play out a little, and let the market start to let-go of the 3.5mm jack a bit, and then it won't seem so "weird" to replace the 3.5mm jack with a Lightning port, or just eliminate it altogether.
You greatly overestimate their technical competance. I know of a number of "Pro" sound engineers who have blown more than one iphone audio output by plugging in jack-xlr with phantom power on the channel. And Muso's are far worse than them with tech, especially guitarists, who dont understand cause and effect.
That's because cheezy mixing consoles are built with GLOBAL Phantom Power, and people forget that they enabled it once to use that ONE mic that requires it.
But you're right about guitarists; most of them are pretty dangerous around technology beyond a 9V battery...
That said on a real desktop PC (Mac) I don't really see a good argument for removing the 3.5mm jack at this time. Neither space, power or cost are constraints and there is no advantage to the user in removing it unless you get something in return. None of those things apply to desktop PCs. I can at least see the argument on a smartphone whether or not I agree with it but those arguments don't apply to desktop machines.
I'm absolutely with you on this!
On the iPhone, I could see the argument for removing the 3.5mm jack; but not on their flagship laptop. As you said, there are absolutely no space or water-resistance benefits to be gained, and the general "annoyance factor" of having to deal with an adapter/hub is simply not worth it.
Now, should the Mac line be upgraded to use the W1 chip? SURE! That's pretty much a no-brainer for those who want to use Bluetooth
And also, if Apple wants to put a Lightning port on their Macs, I think that makes perfect sense going forward. That way, you can use the same Lightning headset between your iPhone and your Mac. But for now, at least, I'd leave the 3.5mm jacks (which also support TOSLink, BTW) right where they are.
Whoooosh
No, I got it. I just decided to play along with the sophism.
So, it appears that the "Whoooosh" that you heard was from me.
So, fry cook then?
LOL. Right. You got me!
/. at work. In this particular incarnation, I am employed as a Windows Application Developer.
Sorry, no. If I were a fry cook, I wouldn't likely have a chance to surf
Li-ion and Li-Po batteries have a MUCH reduced "memory effect", relative to earlier Ni-Cad and Ni-Mh batteries. But they DO have the effect to some degree.
The memory effect is a myth, but Lithium Ion batteries eventually go bad permanently if not kept charged, but not overcharged. The apparent memory effect was something caused by charging multiple-cell packs without balancing. You'd get overcharged cells which would result in reverse charging of some cells during the discharge process that was supposed to protect them from memory effect. Now we all have balance chargers for our RC cars and planes and quads, and the only thing we have to worry about is abuse of battery chemistry. That is to say, damaging the electrolyte by overcharging, excessive charge rate, storing an excessive charge, permitting it to become excessively discharged, or storing it too long with too much or too little charge.
Interesting. I knew some of that, but definitely learned a thing or two.
"Apple has charged their Li-Ion and Li-Po batteries to around 85% for like, forever"? You mean, when my iPhone6 says it's 100% charged, it's really only 85% charged? So I actually don't need to worry about overcharging it? I would love to believe this!
I believe that is precisely the case. However, this Apple page explains it a little more clearly. So it appears that they have found that you can charge to 100% without damage, if you drastically change the charge-rate at around 80%.
Do you spend all day every day slavishly praising Apple or do you actually have a real job?
I do this from my regular job. I'm good enough to do both.
Not only is that illegal; but it flies in the face of Apple's iOS business model.
So change the law, and fuck Apple's business model.
Oh, so having an EMBEDDED device with the Hardware and Software designed by the same party is a BAD thing?
You're nuts.
Mr. Smarty-Pants Communist?
That's a comedy reference, you dolt. Look it up.
Meanwhile, your fanatical and slavish devotion to Apple blinds you to the fact that the new IPhone is completely broken for a common use case: listen to music for more than five hours (so you can't use wireless earbuds) and charge phone while listening to music (on train etc.).
Belkin has already fixed that.
So, not being able to use headphones and charge the phone is a real issue for them
Fortunately, Belkin has already fixed the problem. And knowing China, it will be about 5 nanoseconds before that is copied and sold for 5 Ruan locally.
perhaps this is why iPhone 7 orders are FOUR TIMES the previous model (and THAT without a 3.5mm Jack!).
First, you're a known asshole, liar, troll, and disgusting Apple zealot.
And you're an ANONYMOUS COWARD. So, I win.
So, your citation free claim needs to be taken with a huge boulder of salt.
I provided a citation in another comment in this thread. But, here's a Citation. Here's another. And another. Convinced yet., COWARD?
Second, a large portion of people who buy iPhones are idiots who either don't know the jack is missing or haven't yet realized what a pain in the ass it will be.
Now where's YOUR citation, COWARD?
This is one of Apple's dick-moves that will need a great deal of time to fully materialize. After all, the phone hasn't actually landed in public hands yet. Recall the first iPhone with it's bastardized, recessed headphone jack. Typical for Apple to fuck with a known standard in order to grab more cash, but that backlash was enough for them to save face by switching back to a normal headphone jack with the iPhone 3G.
Really? All that vitriol because someone at Apple (Jony Ive?) fucked up and didn't test EVERY headphone on the market, to see that SOME headphones/earbuds had a BUNCH of plastic around the tip of the plug. It isn't like they violated some "standard" about how much room had to be left around the jack. Plus, It wasn't that they used an "abnormal" headphone jack; they just made the MISTAKE (which they corrected the next go-round) of RECESSING the jack, FFS. I've owned other equipment that has had that same problem, precisely BECAUSE there isn't a "standard" on the maximum outer diameter of the PLASTIC on a 4.5mm male.
Hyperbole much?
Pity android users? Isnt the current IOS update bricking iphones? Id rather have a grenade than a brick any day.
1. Better a brick than a bomb, eh?
2. The "bricking" affected a very small number of users, was only temporary, was recoverable by the user (making the term "bricking" somewhat hyperbolic), and lasted one whole HOUR before Apple fixed the problem.
Oh, and didn't set any iPhones or iPads on fire...
Kind of a different situation, wouldn't you say? But of course you wouldn't, Hater.