In Oregon we do it: 30 minutes unpaid, or 20 minutes paid. And in retail they can require you to take your break while you work, if you're allowed to eat on the job. If you're not allowed to whip out a burrito and munch down, then you have to get a real break without duties. Other industries have similar rules, if it is considered to be the standard practice in that industry.
In Oregon we have balanced rules that protect both sides, and the actual problem on the job with mean breaks is that employers will force you to take them.
When the rules are super-clear and well-enforced and can be changed by direct public vote, then there ends more obstinate workaholics than employers who don't give breaks.
Since employers and employees have different worst case scenarios, you can protect both at the same time without any conflict. Don't believe the cynics.
I think the US should do that, and also re-occupy everything that has a US base during WWII, including military occupation of the Spratly's, and we should have THAAD protection for not only the Spratly's but everywhere within 1000 miles of China.
It isn't anybody's business what it was doing there.
The US does do military intelligence in international waters. That is a legit activity that China also does.
Get over yourself, international waters aren't a pacifist zone. This was literal piracy. Nobody cares if you "trust" the victim of theft. If an awful naughty person has their stuff stolen, guess what? Their perceived awfulness does nothing to change the nature of the theft.
Well, that's like 6 year old stuff, man. I mean, WTF is "greatest" anyways? That's like arguing over whose Favorite Color is the Bestest Favorite Color.
Yes, people who think "greatest" is something they can talk about outside of personal opinion are fucking idiots. No need to single out Americans.;)
Is it dangerous? No, they're just idiots bloviating. I'm sure they see their opinions as important, but I really doubt anybody making an important decision about anything is going to turn to them for advice.
Actually, attacking a capturing US equipment in international waters changes the whole evaluation of the likelihood of a hot war. We simply can't tolerate this behavior. They have to give it back, apologize, and stop trying to claim new areas of the Pacific to avoid war. And that isn't going to happen. The only question at this point is, are we going to stick to a cold war? One of the reasons that the historical Cold War stayed cold was that both sides realized that certain actions required a response, and both sides quietly didn't do those things. China seems unaware of how that works.
Nope. And if you would be happy with just a git repo, you shouldn't have even been looking at their enterprise services. It isn't a git repo, and it can't be replaced by a git repo.
Not everything that you don't know what it does, does nothing. Some of those things do things you simply don't know about.
The funny part is that lots of the "usual suspects" (who complain about things) on slashdot are complaining about the number of employees, and then I was over at gitlab (who is supposedly the much better role-model) and they have 21 open positions.
It may be that people commenting simply don't have any experience in what staff is needed for this service. For example, I've seen comparisons to craigslist, but craigslist has no corporate services; all they do is offer free consumer services, and advertising. Paid technical support alone would require many more employees than craigslist would need in total, just to provide the service, and it also requires additional personnel to sell it and manage accounts.
A lot of the people complaining about the number of employees not only don't have any experience that would lead them to believe they know how many employees are needed, they also don't even know what services are being sold! So they fall back on, "golly, the stuff I use that service for would only take a few employees." Sure.
Hey dipshit, I never said that anyone was entitled to have a repository hosted for them. Don't put words in my mouth.
Hey asshole, I only read the first sentence since you obviously weren't attempting to communicate. But I did want to point out that yes, you implied that you're entitled. I wasn't saying that you explicitly claimed it, I was only saying that it was the main meaning of your words. You might simply have not thought about or understood the implications of your words. Think more, asshole less.
Very few companies have 20 developers and think $5k is more than pocket change. This is a critical service and most of their customers would spend more just doing an evaluation to find out if something else that is cheaper can meet their needs, and what the differences in risk are.
Companies pay $50k/yr just to have phone support from a specialist. $5k for hosting, well is it important to what they do? Yes or no?
For me the answer would be no, it isn't important at all to have hosted code repos, it is a minor convenience that I don't need to pay for. But if I had a software shop with lots of employees, and I always had a few new people and a few interns, etc., then it could easily save money compared to having to train all the incoming people in whatever hosting strategy and technology we're using.
Even for a small consultancy this should be peanuts. For them it is worth it just to have a site that clients can use to look at stuff, where they don't have to provide the support, but where they can manage the security and access.
If you look at companies that don't need this stuff, that's companies who write code for their own products, and have small teams. That's not even the target market! Of course the pricing doesn't work for them, they shouldn't even be buying something. They shouldn't have even checked the price!
Finding things is easy, just learn the name of the thing you're looking for before you search.
It isn't intended as a buffet, though there are obviously ways of browsing and discovering things. But it isn't a focus. And that is a good thing, just because somebody shared code doesn't mean somebody else, like their hosting company, should run out and promote them. I don't share very much code because most of what I write that is open source isn't interesting to anybody else; a company doing something similar would be better off starting where I started and making their own customizations. If github was making those things easier to find, I'd have to delete the repos that weren't interesting to the public.
Unless they're running out of storage space, why not just let those bits rest in peace, and if they're needed, they're there.
Absolutely nothing you can't do yourself by renting a cheap virtual server.
Do you also complain to your grocer that other people were already selling vegetables for thousands of years and you could grow your own if you wanted?
If you're going to worry about silly inanities like "what are you going to do," then in the short term you should consider: The stock market is shooting up up up in a situation where economists are predicting gloom. What does that mean? That means there is going to be a boom before the bust, baby!
Get ready, history's biggest bubble is coming! The billionaires are running the show. Find a way to dip a cup in, and then get out and keep your little pile of loot for the dark days ahead.
If true, then I applaud them for not comparing apples to oranges. I'm highly skeptical though. Surely if a person cares about both they'll mix and muddle them all together! Intentionally.
I hate Wally World and I've never even been in a union.
Don't tell people what their issues really have to do with. Instead, listen to them and they will tell you. In my experience even those union guys are capable of independent thought and can determine what their motivations are.
People aren't going to hate Amazon because the customer experience is pretty good, and they rely on the government to enforce basic labor standards. It isn't something people are very interested in on a per-company basis. Whereas issues with big box stores replacing numerous industries with many fewer jobs is more of a community issue, where the only solution is for the people who care to shop more locally and preserve some fraction of the smaller businesses.
The one time I did shop at Wally World, we received a wedding gift of a $50 gift card from there. Which was easy to solve, we bought a gift for a holiday charity event.
With automation we're faced with a choice: share their production, or let the poor... go away to wherever people go when all the land is owned and people aren't allowed to subsist anywhere. Wherever that is.
That is the choice, Star Trek, or a small number of people living in defended bubble cities with police that go out and make sure any surviving commoners aren't trying to build homes or farms on any of the land.
Increasing productivity is only "good" for most people if society modifies the economic formula in some way in response to efficiency gains. In Europe they're committed to simply working less hours per worker as a solution. I don't really care which formula is modified, but lets do respond somewhere in the system!
The job that grows on trees is called Hunter or Gatherer, and unless you have the right family tree it is generally banned, though in some cases you can buy a permit during a season.
Within what is available for individual commercial harvesting with a permit there is often 5 or 6 weeks of the year when money can be made, depending on your region.
And subsistence foraging is difficult or impossible if you're not allowed to live on the land.
In my experience there is always somebody trying to camp in the parking lot to save money. This says nothing at all about the company or the job. Even at google there are people who want to live in the parking lot. It is also somewhat traditional to provide a place for employee camping, though unpopular these days.
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In Oregon we do it: 30 minutes unpaid, or 20 minutes paid. And in retail they can require you to take your break while you work, if you're allowed to eat on the job. If you're not allowed to whip out a burrito and munch down, then you have to get a real break without duties. Other industries have similar rules, if it is considered to be the standard practice in that industry.
In Oregon we have balanced rules that protect both sides, and the actual problem on the job with mean breaks is that employers will force you to take them.
When the rules are super-clear and well-enforced and can be changed by direct public vote, then there ends more obstinate workaholics than employers who don't give breaks.
Since employers and employees have different worst case scenarios, you can protect both at the same time without any conflict. Don't believe the cynics.
With no nuclear defense shield that would be true.
Does the US have comprehensive nuclear defense, or not? Reports vary.
I believe we do, and that it is actually centered on the Pacific and neutralizing the threat from China.
But if we install THAAD near them, that really increases the protection level regardless of what else there is.
"rearm Japan" is code for "change the Japanese Constitution" which is code for "let Japan become a nuclear power."
I think the US should do that, and also re-occupy everything that has a US base during WWII, including military occupation of the Spratly's, and we should have THAAD protection for not only the Spratly's but everywhere within 1000 miles of China.
It isn't anybody's business what it was doing there.
The US does do military intelligence in international waters. That is a legit activity that China also does.
Get over yourself, international waters aren't a pacifist zone. This was literal piracy. Nobody cares if you "trust" the victim of theft. If an awful naughty person has their stuff stolen, guess what? Their perceived awfulness does nothing to change the nature of the theft.
Well, that's like 6 year old stuff, man. I mean, WTF is "greatest" anyways? That's like arguing over whose Favorite Color is the Bestest Favorite Color.
Yes, people who think "greatest" is something they can talk about outside of personal opinion are fucking idiots. No need to single out Americans. ;)
Is it dangerous? No, they're just idiots bloviating. I'm sure they see their opinions as important, but I really doubt anybody making an important decision about anything is going to turn to them for advice.
If you see people you disagree with as having the mental capacity of a turnip, you might only have made it to cabbage yourself.
Actually, attacking a capturing US equipment in international waters changes the whole evaluation of the likelihood of a hot war. We simply can't tolerate this behavior. They have to give it back, apologize, and stop trying to claim new areas of the Pacific to avoid war. And that isn't going to happen. The only question at this point is, are we going to stick to a cold war? One of the reasons that the historical Cold War stayed cold was that both sides realized that certain actions required a response, and both sides quietly didn't do those things. China seems unaware of how that works.
In the end it's just a Git repo...
Nope. And if you would be happy with just a git repo, you shouldn't have even been looking at their enterprise services. It isn't a git repo, and it can't be replaced by a git repo.
Not everything that you don't know what it does, does nothing. Some of those things do things you simply don't know about.
The funny part is that lots of the "usual suspects" (who complain about things) on slashdot are complaining about the number of employees, and then I was over at gitlab (who is supposedly the much better role-model) and they have 21 open positions.
It may be that people commenting simply don't have any experience in what staff is needed for this service. For example, I've seen comparisons to craigslist, but craigslist has no corporate services; all they do is offer free consumer services, and advertising. Paid technical support alone would require many more employees than craigslist would need in total, just to provide the service, and it also requires additional personnel to sell it and manage accounts.
A lot of the people complaining about the number of employees not only don't have any experience that would lead them to believe they know how many employees are needed, they also don't even know what services are being sold! So they fall back on, "golly, the stuff I use that service for would only take a few employees." Sure.
Hey dipshit, I never said that anyone was entitled to have a repository hosted for them. Don't put words in my mouth.
Hey asshole, I only read the first sentence since you obviously weren't attempting to communicate. But I did want to point out that yes, you implied that you're entitled. I wasn't saying that you explicitly claimed it, I was only saying that it was the main meaning of your words. You might simply have not thought about or understood the implications of your words. Think more, asshole less.
Very few companies have 20 developers and think $5k is more than pocket change. This is a critical service and most of their customers would spend more just doing an evaluation to find out if something else that is cheaper can meet their needs, and what the differences in risk are.
Companies pay $50k/yr just to have phone support from a specialist. $5k for hosting, well is it important to what they do? Yes or no?
For me the answer would be no, it isn't important at all to have hosted code repos, it is a minor convenience that I don't need to pay for. But if I had a software shop with lots of employees, and I always had a few new people and a few interns, etc., then it could easily save money compared to having to train all the incoming people in whatever hosting strategy and technology we're using.
Even for a small consultancy this should be peanuts. For them it is worth it just to have a site that clients can use to look at stuff, where they don't have to provide the support, but where they can manage the security and access.
If you look at companies that don't need this stuff, that's companies who write code for their own products, and have small teams. That's not even the target market! Of course the pricing doesn't work for them, they shouldn't even be buying something. They shouldn't have even checked the price!
Finding things is easy, just learn the name of the thing you're looking for before you search.
It isn't intended as a buffet, though there are obviously ways of browsing and discovering things. But it isn't a focus. And that is a good thing, just because somebody shared code doesn't mean somebody else, like their hosting company, should run out and promote them. I don't share very much code because most of what I write that is open source isn't interesting to anybody else; a company doing something similar would be better off starting where I started and making their own customizations. If github was making those things easier to find, I'd have to delete the repos that weren't interesting to the public.
Unless they're running out of storage space, why not just let those bits rest in peace, and if they're needed, they're there.
What makes you feel so Entitled to have them host a repository for you?
Do you feel that it is unjust, leading you to social advocacy against it? Yes, you just did.
Did it occur to you that people who are offended can stand up on their own two feet, including those who are offended that somebody was offended?
What does github actually do...
Absolutely nothing you can't do yourself by renting a cheap virtual server.
Do you also complain to your grocer that other people were already selling vegetables for thousands of years and you could grow your own if you wanted?
If you're going to worry about silly inanities like "what are you going to do," then in the short term you should consider: The stock market is shooting up up up in a situation where economists are predicting gloom. What does that mean? That means there is going to be a boom before the bust, baby!
Get ready, history's biggest bubble is coming! The billionaires are running the show. Find a way to dip a cup in, and then get out and keep your little pile of loot for the dark days ahead.
If true, then I applaud them for not comparing apples to oranges.
I'm highly skeptical though. Surely if a person cares about both they'll mix and muddle them all together! Intentionally.
I hate Wally World and I've never even been in a union.
Don't tell people what their issues really have to do with. Instead, listen to them and they will tell you. In my experience even those union guys are capable of independent thought and can determine what their motivations are.
People aren't going to hate Amazon because the customer experience is pretty good, and they rely on the government to enforce basic labor standards. It isn't something people are very interested in on a per-company basis. Whereas issues with big box stores replacing numerous industries with many fewer jobs is more of a community issue, where the only solution is for the people who care to shop more locally and preserve some fraction of the smaller businesses.
The one time I did shop at Wally World, we received a wedding gift of a $50 gift card from there. Which was easy to solve, we bought a gift for a holiday charity event.
With automation we're faced with a choice: share their production, or let the poor... go away to wherever people go when all the land is owned and people aren't allowed to subsist anywhere. Wherever that is.
That is the choice, Star Trek, or a small number of people living in defended bubble cities with police that go out and make sure any surviving commoners aren't trying to build homes or farms on any of the land.
Increasing productivity is only "good" for most people if society modifies the economic formula in some way in response to efficiency gains. In Europe they're committed to simply working less hours per worker as a solution. I don't really care which formula is modified, but lets do respond somewhere in the system!
Or Nemo ovis impune lacessit in Latin.
That explains the Scottish national motto, Wha daur meddle wi me sheep?
A true Scotsman is going to bring one or two into the tent to keep warm.
You thought that sound was bagpipes! lol
The job that grows on trees is called Hunter or Gatherer, and unless you have the right family tree it is generally banned, though in some cases you can buy a permit during a season.
Within what is available for individual commercial harvesting with a permit there is often 5 or 6 weeks of the year when money can be made, depending on your region.
And subsistence foraging is difficult or impossible if you're not allowed to live on the land.
In my experience there is always somebody trying to camp in the parking lot to save money. This says nothing at all about the company or the job. Even at google there are people who want to live in the parking lot. It is also somewhat traditional to provide a place for employee camping, though unpopular these days.