They probably get a kick-back from Pocket. They probably get nothing from maintaining tab groups.
You can probably guess where I'm going with this and can probably guess why I am going to skip that energy expenditure. Suffice to say, I don't use Mozilla's Firefox but I am a bit fond of Thunderbird.
Interesting... To what end? The only end that I can see, that has anything other than research value, is processing the ore in space in order to build with it and that seems like it'd be making it more complex than it needs to be. I don't see this being financially viable for a very long time - if at all, if the goal is to return it to the Earth's atmosphere and then process it. I'd say it'd be great, on a small scale, for research but I'm not sure that it's something we'll be doing on a large scale for productivity or profit.
Then again, I mentioned above, I'm not the greatest at imagining things. I suppose that'd make me rather dull(er) in some circles. Thus, I'll defer to you but I'm still curious as to what value those items would have to reach in order to make such processing profitable or, more importantly, less complicated than what we're likely to be able to do with that same technology here on the surface.
My thinking is, if we have robotic devices capable of withstanding harsh environments then we can, likely, send them down instead of up with greater practicality, profit, speed, and chance of success. Whilst there's some chance of building in space, with mined ore, then it would need mining, processing, and construction - all while in space. That seems needlessly expensive and difficult.
Which is to say, I already asked the question: To what end? Keep in mind, I'm a strong supporter of things like this and I'm a firm believer that we need to get off this rock and any tech that even potentially has a chance to aid us, in those regards, is something that I'm a fan of - by default. Where does this fit in? In my mind, and I mention my limited imagination again, I see it more useful as a probe that can be used by those out in something like a generational ship who are wanting to increase or replace resources. Ideally, they'd not need to do such things but, perhaps, they're wanting to settle some members somewhere or something like that?
You know that it was a television show, right? I've only seen a couple of episodes. I'm not a fan of television and don''t really recall a time when I was much of a fan. Anyhow, it's fiction, not a documentary. Sure, there's some chance that it may be correct (and I'd listen to a logical argument that supported that side, I could probably make said argument with some research and time) but I don't think that we should hold back progress based on a televised work of fiction.
Your post is not moderated highly. That is unfortunate. You were more succinct than I. Of course, your post requires that they put a little thought into this instead of parroting trendy ideas. That makes a response unlikely, so I figured I would take a moment to thank you. 'Snot like I was doing anything better.
I'm not normally presumptuous but, if I may speculate, this seems to have been come trendy. Somewhat recently, we've become "space nutters." I'm not sure how, or why. They make strange assumptions, such as holding a belief that I expect to see this sort of stuff happen in my lifetime or in the near future. The above poster shows that they want immediacy.
To be honest, I don't even care about direct practicality. As a society, we're spending a trivial amount. I think it's fine to do pure research or specialized research just for education's sake. We can't really speculate as to the future in its entirety so this might be a valuable resource in the future. It has become trendy so, to close, I presume they're just trying to fit in and this has been a fairly recent change.
Hmm... I guess 'loads' works. Do you mean 'lodes,' however? Anyhow, you said a lot of things but nothing. Pfft... I bet you don't even have a cocktail napkin handy!
Anyhow... Where was I? Oh, yeah, err... Speculating at the rate of progress is a self-fulfilling prophecy if, of course, people listen and/or think as you. Assuming the 'vt' means Vermont, well, you fit the codger part. Or curmudgeon.
I, for one, celebrate the invention and hope that, someday, we'll make a clear choice to keep a few of us humans alive by getting us off this rock and spreading out into the galaxy. No, I don't think that will happen in my lifetime. But, at the same time, I welcome any advances that may help us move in that direction.
No, there's no way to do so now. However, it's a potentiality some day in the future. There's no good reason to not look for advances and speculate that they may be beneficial for those reasons in the future. I'm not sure *why* we'd want to mine asteroids but my imagination isn't that good. If we have sufficiently advanced technology to get to asteroids and mine them, we probably have technology that's advanced enough to get off this rock.
Getting off this rock, in a meaningful fashion, means getting off it in a manner where we won't need external resources but will be entirely self-sufficient with things like multi-generational ships. Perhaps, there's a slim chance, mining asteroids is a necessary step in that process but it seems unlikely.
Oh, take him out back and shoot him for all I care. He's a horrific person. However, I don't think he's responsible for anything that Snowden leaked. I reread your post and it still reads the same so I don't think I'm missing anything.
Not a whole lot? Neither of which is theft by definition, though I suppose I could argue that it was deprivation of business potential but that's not too important. Either way, 'tis copyright infringement. More importantly, in neither of these actions are the third party any less guilty, they're not indemnified by our guilt but made more culpable because of it.
The vast majority of my income, at least at the start, came from municipalities. I, quite literally, am where I am because of society. I'm morally obligated to return the favor, and I do. This might be why I'm not invited to the cabal meetings.;-)
I feel vindicated in my decision to not watch them. I still haven't finished the first trilogy. I got bored in the second one and still didn't finish it. I own a copy of them on BluRay so, I guess, I'll finish it some day.
Why do people, almost invariably, try to make a physical item analogous with intangible property? It doesn't work - the two are simply so dissimilar that it doesn't really help.
At first blush, I don't think there's much to be done with Blizzard without making the freelancer also *more* guilty due to copyright infringement. So far, Blizzard just has a copy which they've neither distributed nor published or anything.
Besides, this is Slashdot. It's just a copy and information wants to be free. Up above, you mentioned theft. Copyright violations aren't theft, according to most folks here.
None of #2 and all of #1. I even had to enlist to get GI Bill funds that enabled me to further my education. To be perfectly honest, I did work hard but no harder than you do - maybe longer days. I was just damned lucky. I've always had good luck. (For lack of better terms. It's also subjective, I tend to look at things in a positive light.)
Now I know you're old.;-) I remember absolutely having to have a pair of PJs that had astronauts on them. I seem to recall that I "settled" for the pair that I got (Woolworth's I think?) because they didn't have feet. PJs with feet were awesome when I was a kid. I could slide across the floor like a ninja. That was high tech stuff, right there. Look at us today. Imagine, if we were old enough to have seen the first jets or cars?
I dunno? I really don't. I doubt we'll ever truly know. I do know that I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. Yes, I'm willing to accept the risks and no, I won't cower in fear. I'd like to say that terrorism has done nothing to change my life but it has - but not because of choices that I've made, just crap I've had to deal with. As rough as this sounds, I think it would be better if we all just said, "Yup, bad shit happens. Let's kill 'em and be done with it." We don't need to go on a hunting party, they'll happily take credit for it. We don't need to spy on the populace. It doesn't help in any meaningful fashion and isn't worth it. Even if 10000 terrorists are stopped, no - I am selfish and I want my rights.
First thing I thought of: "Holy shit! This is amazing." To be able to put tech, in the newer sense, directly into a plant is astounding. Really, I didn't think I'd ever see such things in my lifetime. For all the complaining we do, we sure have some insanely cool stuff either already made or in the works. I carry an order (probably two or three) of magnitude computer power in my pocket than was used to put a man on the moon.
Worse? (Or more impressive?) I don't even *need* it for anything. Then, look at the power consumption for those compute cycles.
Now? Now we're putting chips in plants. I don't think even sci-fi authors had thought of this when I was young. This is the first that I've heard or read of this, at least.
I have to wonder what it is that I've done that qualifies me as a sociopath... I also want to know how I can get away with committing offenses. Sure, I can (and have) retain a legal team but I always end up paying the price. Hell, I even have a couple of marijuana charges on my record. You'd think that I'd be able to just buy off a cop or a judge or that legal would keep them tied up for years. Alas, no. I paid my $350 file (plus court fees) just like everybody else.
Anyhow, it'd be really stupid for me to leave my money sitting idle in the Cayman Islands. It's much more lucrative to invest in municipal bonds, a variety of stocks, or even to just let it sit in an investment portfolio that's a bit more diverse. It's not like it gets taxed if I don't spend it and, honestly, it's not taxed all that much to begin with.
I can't speak about the rest but I don't think King (I) from Maine was even on the committee when Snowden's leaks came about. He's a moron (and probably would have been to blame) but probably isn't to blame for this one particular thing. He's got lots of reasons to hate him but that's not really one of them. I did not check the dates of the rest of them.
He was a sub-contractor as I recall. As such, he'd probably not have taken that oath. He probably would be, technically, guilty of a few crimes. However, that's what jury nullification is for. There's some secrets acts and probably a case to be made for being a traitor (albeit a weak case - but one the State could try) but, again, that's what jury nullification is for.
Jury nullification relies on a sympathetic and intelligence populace. Which, by all accounts, means's he's fucked. 'Tis a pity, too.
By virtue of getting lucky in the game of life, I've got a few dollars. As such, I've been told that I'm a 1%er, evil, a corporatist, part of the ruling elite, and responsible for the deaths of thousands. I've been called a Democrat, a Republican, a baby-killer, and an all-around monster.
So, I hereby claim my title as the ruling elite. I declare such laws immoral and pardon Snowden and all other whistle-blowers alike. I declare his actions moral, legal, and absolve him of any wrong-doing.
I mean, if I gotta send a few bucks somebody's way - I'll do that. Just lemme know who to give a 'campaign donation' and I'll go ahead and take care of that but, seriously, when I got that first tax bill (and it was a goodly sum, lemme tell ya) it didn't come with a secret decoder ring, a laminated card, nor a coronation. I've not once been invited to a back-room deal, sipped scotch while smoking fine cigars in front a a mahogany desk in a walnut paneled room, while some old white guy gave me a lecture about the peons.
But I mean, yeah, if I gotta sit through that lecture and send a few bucks to the right political parties then I'm game. I just haven't found a hidden cabal of operators pulling politician's puppet strings (at least not as a general rule). 'Cause, trust me, I'd like some laws changed. The first one's gonna be about who is and who isn't allowed on the internet, at large, but Snowden's on the list.
He'd probably be right up near the top too. He'd probably be even higher than the law that allows me to strip naked on the White House lawn during press conferences. I'd pay extra for that law. Then, I'd buy a law that lets me drive as fast as I want, with no consequences, and maybe be allowed to do it in an Indy car - while naked, except for a Star Wars helmet, and snorting meth.
But no, he's certainly on the list of the moral people but I just can't seem to buy his freedom - I do donate to ACLU and EFF but that's not been as productive as I'd like.
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They probably get a kick-back from Pocket. They probably get nothing from maintaining tab groups.
You can probably guess where I'm going with this and can probably guess why I am going to skip that energy expenditure. Suffice to say, I don't use Mozilla's Firefox but I am a bit fond of Thunderbird.
Interesting... To what end? The only end that I can see, that has anything other than research value, is processing the ore in space in order to build with it and that seems like it'd be making it more complex than it needs to be. I don't see this being financially viable for a very long time - if at all, if the goal is to return it to the Earth's atmosphere and then process it. I'd say it'd be great, on a small scale, for research but I'm not sure that it's something we'll be doing on a large scale for productivity or profit.
Then again, I mentioned above, I'm not the greatest at imagining things. I suppose that'd make me rather dull(er) in some circles. Thus, I'll defer to you but I'm still curious as to what value those items would have to reach in order to make such processing profitable or, more importantly, less complicated than what we're likely to be able to do with that same technology here on the surface.
My thinking is, if we have robotic devices capable of withstanding harsh environments then we can, likely, send them down instead of up with greater practicality, profit, speed, and chance of success. Whilst there's some chance of building in space, with mined ore, then it would need mining, processing, and construction - all while in space. That seems needlessly expensive and difficult.
Which is to say, I already asked the question: To what end? Keep in mind, I'm a strong supporter of things like this and I'm a firm believer that we need to get off this rock and any tech that even potentially has a chance to aid us, in those regards, is something that I'm a fan of - by default. Where does this fit in? In my mind, and I mention my limited imagination again, I see it more useful as a probe that can be used by those out in something like a generational ship who are wanting to increase or replace resources. Ideally, they'd not need to do such things but, perhaps, they're wanting to settle some members somewhere or something like that?
You know that it was a television show, right? I've only seen a couple of episodes. I'm not a fan of television and don''t really recall a time when I was much of a fan. Anyhow, it's fiction, not a documentary. Sure, there's some chance that it may be correct (and I'd listen to a logical argument that supported that side, I could probably make said argument with some research and time) but I don't think that we should hold back progress based on a televised work of fiction.
Your post is not moderated highly. That is unfortunate. You were more succinct than I. Of course, your post requires that they put a little thought into this instead of parroting trendy ideas. That makes a response unlikely, so I figured I would take a moment to thank you. 'Snot like I was doing anything better.
I'm not normally presumptuous but, if I may speculate, this seems to have been come trendy. Somewhat recently, we've become "space nutters." I'm not sure how, or why. They make strange assumptions, such as holding a belief that I expect to see this sort of stuff happen in my lifetime or in the near future. The above poster shows that they want immediacy.
To be honest, I don't even care about direct practicality. As a society, we're spending a trivial amount. I think it's fine to do pure research or specialized research just for education's sake. We can't really speculate as to the future in its entirety so this might be a valuable resource in the future. It has become trendy so, to close, I presume they're just trying to fit in and this has been a fairly recent change.
Hmm... I guess 'loads' works. Do you mean 'lodes,' however? Anyhow, you said a lot of things but nothing. Pfft... I bet you don't even have a cocktail napkin handy!
Anyhow... Where was I? Oh, yeah, err... Speculating at the rate of progress is a self-fulfilling prophecy if, of course, people listen and/or think as you. Assuming the 'vt' means Vermont, well, you fit the codger part. Or curmudgeon.
I, for one, celebrate the invention and hope that, someday, we'll make a clear choice to keep a few of us humans alive by getting us off this rock and spreading out into the galaxy. No, I don't think that will happen in my lifetime. But, at the same time, I welcome any advances that may help us move in that direction.
No, there's no way to do so now. However, it's a potentiality some day in the future. There's no good reason to not look for advances and speculate that they may be beneficial for those reasons in the future. I'm not sure *why* we'd want to mine asteroids but my imagination isn't that good. If we have sufficiently advanced technology to get to asteroids and mine them, we probably have technology that's advanced enough to get off this rock.
Getting off this rock, in a meaningful fashion, means getting off it in a manner where we won't need external resources but will be entirely self-sufficient with things like multi-generational ships. Perhaps, there's a slim chance, mining asteroids is a necessary step in that process but it seems unlikely.
Oh, take him out back and shoot him for all I care. He's a horrific person. However, I don't think he's responsible for anything that Snowden leaked. I reread your post and it still reads the same so I don't think I'm missing anything.
True but I don't think that means he took the oath that the OP was referencing. I think that means he signs a basic agreement, like an NDA.
Not a whole lot? Neither of which is theft by definition, though I suppose I could argue that it was deprivation of business potential but that's not too important. Either way, 'tis copyright infringement. More importantly, in neither of these actions are the third party any less guilty, they're not indemnified by our guilt but made more culpable because of it.
The vast majority of my income, at least at the start, came from municipalities. I, quite literally, am where I am because of society. I'm morally obligated to return the favor, and I do. This might be why I'm not invited to the cabal meetings. ;-)
You get yours, baby. I'll get mine.
I feel vindicated in my decision to not watch them. I still haven't finished the first trilogy. I got bored in the second one and still didn't finish it. I own a copy of them on BluRay so, I guess, I'll finish it some day.
Why do people, almost invariably, try to make a physical item analogous with intangible property? It doesn't work - the two are simply so dissimilar that it doesn't really help.
At first blush, I don't think there's much to be done with Blizzard without making the freelancer also *more* guilty due to copyright infringement. So far, Blizzard just has a copy which they've neither distributed nor published or anything.
Besides, this is Slashdot. It's just a copy and information wants to be free. Up above, you mentioned theft. Copyright violations aren't theft, according to most folks here.
None of #2 and all of #1. I even had to enlist to get GI Bill funds that enabled me to further my education. To be perfectly honest, I did work hard but no harder than you do - maybe longer days. I was just damned lucky. I've always had good luck. (For lack of better terms. It's also subjective, I tend to look at things in a positive light.)
I did not know that. :/ I don't think I'd buy any. The magic is best left in the past. Besides, I'd break a hip.
Now I know you're old. ;-) I remember absolutely having to have a pair of PJs that had astronauts on them. I seem to recall that I "settled" for the pair that I got (Woolworth's I think?) because they didn't have feet. PJs with feet were awesome when I was a kid. I could slide across the floor like a ninja. That was high tech stuff, right there. Look at us today. Imagine, if we were old enough to have seen the first jets or cars?
I dunno? I really don't. I doubt we'll ever truly know. I do know that I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. Yes, I'm willing to accept the risks and no, I won't cower in fear. I'd like to say that terrorism has done nothing to change my life but it has - but not because of choices that I've made, just crap I've had to deal with. As rough as this sounds, I think it would be better if we all just said, "Yup, bad shit happens. Let's kill 'em and be done with it." We don't need to go on a hunting party, they'll happily take credit for it. We don't need to spy on the populace. It doesn't help in any meaningful fashion and isn't worth it. Even if 10000 terrorists are stopped, no - I am selfish and I want my rights.
First thing I thought of: "Holy shit! This is amazing." To be able to put tech, in the newer sense, directly into a plant is astounding. Really, I didn't think I'd ever see such things in my lifetime. For all the complaining we do, we sure have some insanely cool stuff either already made or in the works. I carry an order (probably two or three) of magnitude computer power in my pocket than was used to put a man on the moon.
Worse? (Or more impressive?) I don't even *need* it for anything. Then, look at the power consumption for those compute cycles.
Now? Now we're putting chips in plants. I don't think even sci-fi authors had thought of this when I was young. This is the first that I've heard or read of this, at least.
I have to wonder what it is that I've done that qualifies me as a sociopath... I also want to know how I can get away with committing offenses. Sure, I can (and have) retain a legal team but I always end up paying the price. Hell, I even have a couple of marijuana charges on my record. You'd think that I'd be able to just buy off a cop or a judge or that legal would keep them tied up for years. Alas, no. I paid my $350 file (plus court fees) just like everybody else.
Anyhow, it'd be really stupid for me to leave my money sitting idle in the Cayman Islands. It's much more lucrative to invest in municipal bonds, a variety of stocks, or even to just let it sit in an investment portfolio that's a bit more diverse. It's not like it gets taxed if I don't spend it and, honestly, it's not taxed all that much to begin with.
I can't speak about the rest but I don't think King (I) from Maine was even on the committee when Snowden's leaks came about. He's a moron (and probably would have been to blame) but probably isn't to blame for this one particular thing. He's got lots of reasons to hate him but that's not really one of them. I did not check the dates of the rest of them.
He was a sub-contractor as I recall. As such, he'd probably not have taken that oath. He probably would be, technically, guilty of a few crimes. However, that's what jury nullification is for. There's some secrets acts and probably a case to be made for being a traitor (albeit a weak case - but one the State could try) but, again, that's what jury nullification is for.
Jury nullification relies on a sympathetic and intelligence populace. Which, by all accounts, means's he's fucked. 'Tis a pity, too.
By virtue of getting lucky in the game of life, I've got a few dollars. As such, I've been told that I'm a 1%er, evil, a corporatist, part of the ruling elite, and responsible for the deaths of thousands. I've been called a Democrat, a Republican, a baby-killer, and an all-around monster.
So, I hereby claim my title as the ruling elite. I declare such laws immoral and pardon Snowden and all other whistle-blowers alike. I declare his actions moral, legal, and absolve him of any wrong-doing.
I mean, if I gotta send a few bucks somebody's way - I'll do that. Just lemme know who to give a 'campaign donation' and I'll go ahead and take care of that but, seriously, when I got that first tax bill (and it was a goodly sum, lemme tell ya) it didn't come with a secret decoder ring, a laminated card, nor a coronation. I've not once been invited to a back-room deal, sipped scotch while smoking fine cigars in front a a mahogany desk in a walnut paneled room, while some old white guy gave me a lecture about the peons.
But I mean, yeah, if I gotta sit through that lecture and send a few bucks to the right political parties then I'm game. I just haven't found a hidden cabal of operators pulling politician's puppet strings (at least not as a general rule). 'Cause, trust me, I'd like some laws changed. The first one's gonna be about who is and who isn't allowed on the internet, at large, but Snowden's on the list.
He'd probably be right up near the top too. He'd probably be even higher than the law that allows me to strip naked on the White House lawn during press conferences. I'd pay extra for that law. Then, I'd buy a law that lets me drive as fast as I want, with no consequences, and maybe be allowed to do it in an Indy car - while naked, except for a Star Wars helmet, and snorting meth.
But no, he's certainly on the list of the moral people but I just can't seem to buy his freedom - I do donate to ACLU and EFF but that's not been as productive as I'd like.
Yeah, right.