That is what add-ons and extensions are for. I want to use those (and I do) but I want the choice. I do not want my browser doing crap that I tell it not to do or doing more than it should be default. I still use Opera but they have lost some features and controllability in their new/beta versions now that they are based on WebKit/Chrome. I am seriously thinking about forking it and rolling my own damned browser at this point. I like add-ons. I like choosing them wisely.
Heh, no! I think this is one of Microsoft's stupidest moves for the reasons you suggest BUT I do not think it will be as bad as you are expecting. I can certainly understand expecting the worst but I am an eternal optimist while being a pragmatist. I am Buddhist, it is my right.
Nah, we'd already be starting with the community and not from scratch. The goal would be keeping folks happy by providing them what they wanted and leaving it at that. I am a member at Soylent though I have not gone in ages. I do not think it would be anything like that. I mostly believe this because it is not a starting community but a community as a whole.
Patches are generally easier to access in my experience. I have literally used the excuse, "I am curious." I have also used, "I feel like breaking stuff." It does matter who you are and how much you have a history with the company (as to be expected). However, the source is there - it is just not open. I would not want to be the one caught leaking it either.
DNC, they did try to get elected you know... Wikipedia happily has an article, click on the history section. It is in the first or second sentence.
I realize you probably do not want to hear this but, yeah, it is true. I have no incentive to lie and Wikipedia has free access to all who can make it to Slashdot.
Those seem well and *potentially* good if you want to match a metric but they seem trivial to defeat in anything with any noise associated with it. I pause at random points and will sometimes return a half hour later and delete stuff. I am not saying that I can not be fingerprinted but I am saying that it would be difficult and there are much easier ways that are much more likely to succeed.
Quote from earlier thread that did not get greenlit:
I would tender a realistic offer if such were possible, It would be nice to have it in user control mode again. All staff would be fired immediately and the place would be run on a volunteer basis. Income (after paying back the purchase price) would go solely to the updating of the site. I would work on automating listings based on the firehose as the default with moderators being able to change that. I would get rid of the silly post limit. Any income left over would be donated to a worthy cause that we decided on.
Give me an idea of what they think the site is worth and I will contact my lawyer and give a return bid. I will need to see a list of assets, assumed values, projections, and current and historical trends. I may need more data.
Alternatively, we create a board and kickstart this.
I should clarify that only editorial staff would be let go though I do think much of the administration overhead could easily be done by volunteers and probably *would* be done by volunteers.
They have made me angry by abusing my rights and weakened the protections enshrined in the Constitution. I call both harm. If I take your possessions so that you are no longer secure in them - do I harm you? My rights are my property.
I do not think so? The judgment is usually that the party is not infringing as charged. There may be legitimate (in the legal sense) suits against other people. I did not read the article however.
Any malware on a Windows system is bad Windows security. Any malware on Linux is Linux is the kernel! Very few (lately) exploits are Windows kernel (the explorer.exe process) and most are a fault of an application running on top of the kernel (which should have, and does have, better protection). We just see what we want to see and have our own prejudices. If we strip it down to current threats across the kernel (or across software loaded on the kernel) but keep them equal the numbers look different which is not to say the actual malware numbers match.
An interesting aside was the recent article about a MMS malware vector for Android. When we count Linux installs we happily count Android. When the malware article showed up that view was not so popular. Of course, it won't be counted because it is not the kernel. We will find justification to reenforce our beliefs no matter how much evidence is contrary to those beliefs. We are humans, it is what we do.
And no, I am not a Windows shill. I do use Windows from time to time but I mostly use Mint and, lately, CentOS. I was also a Microsoft MVP (Shell, IE/OE, Security) for quite some time. I was also a Unix user (SunOS/Solaris mostly) for even longer before that. I do own two Apple products, modern - a few if we count older stuff, but I am not familiar enough with OS X/iOS to claim that I actually use them - they are nice but I just can not get past the interface to learn to be comfortable with them, my own failing. So, no, I am not really a fan of any OS or any distro. I am a slut and will use them all to my advantage.
Seems like a theoretical problem with a theoretical solution. Just because they found one mechanism does not mean that there is not another. Just because they were able to do it in a controlled environment does not mean that others can or will. It seems a lot of effort to actually get fairly trivial information. Most browsers are fairly uniquely fingerprinted anyhow. There are easier ways to track (and likely more certain ways) so this seems like a non-starter without more information and more prevalence.
At least I am assuming it is the same one. I did not verify it and I have JavaScript disabled so I did not double check. Should be though, it is from Google Video search. Will watch later.
With my limited understanding of what this is, I am kind of surprised that they are not actively helping the project. Any competitors can do this more easily than this group likely can. Their stuff is all covered by patents anyhow. Why not help? It looks good and will improve sales in a niche market where no other competition exists. It seems that they could benefit if they helped and the publicity would be priceless (even if limited in scope). Hell, even Microsoft has folks working in the open source realm. I can not imagine that this is all that different.
This is why it sometimes sucks to not be an expert in everything. *sighs* I have no idea if you do not speak English and used Google Translate or if that is a joke based on the programming language.
Given the +1 status I am inclined to think it is either a joke or there is someone else who felt left out of a potential joke and decided they'd mod you up just in case it was funny.
It is not quite Poe's Law (or coleslaw) but it is damned close. At this point I guess the only rational choice is to laugh and pretend I get it so that I can fit in. It is much like listening to my daughter talk about a band, a boy, or current social issues and television. I listen, I really do, and I smile and nod (and even try to converse). Really, though? I have no clue.
Example: I honestly do not know who the Kardashians (spelling?) are. I am guessing they are on television. I have never Googled them. I have never read an article with them in it. I have never seen them on television. I have never seen a video of them. I see them referenced here once in a while and I use the insinuation to confirm my own conclusions that they are somehow bad for the universe and should be slaughtered for the benefit of all mankind but, frankly, they could be wonderful people. I do not even know what they look like, nor will I bother looking, and I am so far removed that I have never seen them in anything (though I suppose I have - I would not actually know unless someone pointed it out).
Not that your joke is the popular (unpopular?) people on television. No, I am guessing it is the exact opposite. I guess it's a penalty for not being aware of everything and for not being willing to search for every subject and learn about it.
Anyhow, sorry for the disruption. Carry on with your giggling and teeheeing. Or carry on translating from English to Siberian to San and back to English... Which ever it is, enjoy. I just figured I would point out that you managed to lose at least one of us. I think that qualifies as a "good job."
This is not meant to be sarcastic but, after I wrote what I wrote, I came back up here to point this out because it seemed to be interpretable as sarcastic.
So how is this useful in the real world - outside of academia and *maybe* a handful of geeks (world wide) that are able to make use of this? I am quite a geek, I pride myself on this, but I am honest enough to admit that I would have no idea where to start to take advantage of this nor do I see how this can have a meaningful impact on my life as it does not inherently increase trust - only implied trust. What are the benefits and why should I care? Answer carefully because their future depends on it. I, myself, would be interested in sending a small amount of money their way if I can rationalize doing so. It needn't benefit me, directly or indirectly, for me to consider donating but it does need to be useful and profoundly beneficial if it is only going to effect a small number of folks if you want people to be interested and especially so if they are in need of financial assistance.
You can actually see some of the Windows source code if you want. You must sign an NDA and you have to justify your access (at least you did while I was still in the MVP program - and that was as an MVP, some of the most trusted folks) but the program to do so is called the Shared Source Initiative or at least was. Meh, a quick Google indicates it still is.
So you can see the source, in part, if you want to. We had to tell them what we wanted to do with it (usually it involves tying an application in cleaner or a security review) but I never saw or heard of anyone getting denied when the program started and for the first few years that I was involved in it. Hell, they let *me* access it and I was known as the Linux geek amongst the group. (It took correction, on my part, to point out that I was a Unix geek. I have only recently switched to almost all Linux and little Unix.)
Anyhow, for those curious, I was an MVP in Shell, Security, and IE/OE. It was kind of fun. The rewards were nice and the community was cool. They accepted that I was not a zealot for Unix (nor a Microsoft zealot). I just use what suits my needs best for the task at hand. I stuck around for quite a while, helping many thousands of people in their newsgroups and on a site/forum that I ran at the time. Eventually I had some issues where I fell in love with a girl and we meandered across the planet without much direction. I had little time and stopped participating and was not re-awarded. She is gone and I just pay for my MSDN subscription. Life is easier.
I am not much better. I do, sometimes, review the source for interesting parts. At best, absolute best, I will find a bug and then go through the code and see if I can actually determine a fix. If I find a fix I send the code to the authors for inclusion and, obviously, with no strings attached. I have been able to do that on only a trivial number of occasions, I can think of three though it may have been more for I am old and my memory is faulty.
I have been to defcon in the past. What is amusing is all the people there from a variety of three letter agencies. They are usually the ones with nice shoes and/or dressed in dark attire. That is my impression at least though I suppose I could be mistaken. Anyhow, the amusement is in the number of them. I suspect they could send fewer or just get together and send a lot fewer people. In some of the smaller and more detailed talks there would be a bunch of them and they seem to gravitate towards each other.
I wonder about the possibility of an event where the feds were not invited and the venue was invite only sans marketers? They would need some way to vet attendees and some would get in through the cracks. Blackhat Con USA was weird feeling. You are sitting there in a talk and you know you are surrounded by law enforcement. I can only imagine that they are like the pervs that attend gaming conventions these days. (I have not been to a gaming convention in a good many years. I did go and get Dungeons and Dragons in loose-leaf format once but that was oh so many years ago and I am too old for such now.)
Antibacterials and antibiotics do not work on fungal infections as far as I know? I could VERY EASILY be mistaken though. I am not an expert and only have a limited experience, singular, to go by. Whilst serving in the military I ended up in Eastern Europe and came home with ring worm on my head. There's a special name for them - I do not know it nor do I care. It is a fungus. It took very strong anti-fungal medication (oral as topical did nothing) to rid myself of this. The prescription was rather expensive and caused some complaints but it was (obviously) paid for.
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That is what add-ons and extensions are for. I want to use those (and I do) but I want the choice. I do not want my browser doing crap that I tell it not to do or doing more than it should be default. I still use Opera but they have lost some features and controllability in their new/beta versions now that they are based on WebKit/Chrome. I am seriously thinking about forking it and rolling my own damned browser at this point. I like add-ons. I like choosing them wisely.
Heh, no! I think this is one of Microsoft's stupidest moves for the reasons you suggest BUT I do not think it will be as bad as you are expecting. I can certainly understand expecting the worst but I am an eternal optimist while being a pragmatist. I am Buddhist, it is my right.
Hell yeah. There is nothing wrong with that amount because it is, perhaps, even more than you *should* be paying.
Nah, we'd already be starting with the community and not from scratch. The goal would be keeping folks happy by providing them what they wanted and leaving it at that. I am a member at Soylent though I have not gone in ages. I do not think it would be anything like that. I mostly believe this because it is not a starting community but a community as a whole.
Patches are generally easier to access in my experience. I have literally used the excuse, "I am curious." I have also used, "I feel like breaking stuff." It does matter who you are and how much you have a history with the company (as to be expected). However, the source is there - it is just not open. I would not want to be the one caught leaking it either.
DNC, they did try to get elected you know... Wikipedia happily has an article, click on the history section. It is in the first or second sentence.
I realize you probably do not want to hear this but, yeah, it is true. I have no incentive to lie and Wikipedia has free access to all who can make it to Slashdot.
That is what I was thinking but he does point out that they are insane. I have no evidence to the contrary, so...
There we go - something to look into. I had hoped someone would give me a rational answer that actually had some substance.
This still seems unlikely to be useful with the noise floor it would have. At least not by itself - maybe that is the intent.
You are on TOR. Turn off scripting.
Those seem well and *potentially* good if you want to match a metric but they seem trivial to defeat in anything with any noise associated with it. I pause at random points and will sometimes return a half hour later and delete stuff. I am not saying that I can not be fingerprinted but I am saying that it would be difficult and there are much easier ways that are much more likely to succeed.
Quote from earlier thread that did not get greenlit:
I would tender a realistic offer if such were possible, It would be nice to have it in user control mode again. All staff would be fired immediately and the place would be run on a volunteer basis. Income (after paying back the purchase price) would go solely to the updating of the site. I would work on automating listings based on the firehose as the default with moderators being able to change that. I would get rid of the silly post limit. Any income left over would be donated to a worthy cause that we decided on.
Give me an idea of what they think the site is worth and I will contact my lawyer and give a return bid. I will need to see a list of assets, assumed values, projections, and current and historical trends. I may need more data.
Alternatively, we create a board and kickstart this.
I should clarify that only editorial staff would be let go though I do think much of the administration overhead could easily be done by volunteers and probably *would* be done by volunteers.
They have made me angry by abusing my rights and weakened the protections enshrined in the Constitution. I call both harm. If I take your possessions so that you are no longer secure in them - do I harm you? My rights are my property.
I do not think so? The judgment is usually that the party is not infringing as charged. There may be legitimate (in the legal sense) suits against other people. I did not read the article however.
Any malware on a Windows system is bad Windows security. Any malware on Linux is Linux is the kernel! Very few (lately) exploits are Windows kernel (the explorer.exe process) and most are a fault of an application running on top of the kernel (which should have, and does have, better protection). We just see what we want to see and have our own prejudices. If we strip it down to current threats across the kernel (or across software loaded on the kernel) but keep them equal the numbers look different which is not to say the actual malware numbers match.
An interesting aside was the recent article about a MMS malware vector for Android. When we count Linux installs we happily count Android. When the malware article showed up that view was not so popular. Of course, it won't be counted because it is not the kernel. We will find justification to reenforce our beliefs no matter how much evidence is contrary to those beliefs. We are humans, it is what we do.
And no, I am not a Windows shill. I do use Windows from time to time but I mostly use Mint and, lately, CentOS. I was also a Microsoft MVP (Shell, IE/OE, Security) for quite some time. I was also a Unix user (SunOS/Solaris mostly) for even longer before that. I do own two Apple products, modern - a few if we count older stuff, but I am not familiar enough with OS X/iOS to claim that I actually use them - they are nice but I just can not get past the interface to learn to be comfortable with them, my own failing. So, no, I am not really a fan of any OS or any distro. I am a slut and will use them all to my advantage.
Seems like a theoretical problem with a theoretical solution. Just because they found one mechanism does not mean that there is not another. Just because they were able to do it in a controlled environment does not mean that others can or will. It seems a lot of effort to actually get fairly trivial information. Most browsers are fairly uniquely fingerprinted anyhow. There are easier ways to track (and likely more certain ways) so this seems like a non-starter without more information and more prevalence.
Here it is on Hulu if you can stand the ads:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/4635...
At least I am assuming it is the same one. I did not verify it and I have JavaScript disabled so I did not double check. Should be though, it is from Google Video search. Will watch later.
I would penis the blond unless she is pear shaped. The top looks good. Did I mention I would penis her? I would.
With my limited understanding of what this is, I am kind of surprised that they are not actively helping the project. Any competitors can do this more easily than this group likely can. Their stuff is all covered by patents anyhow. Why not help? It looks good and will improve sales in a niche market where no other competition exists. It seems that they could benefit if they helped and the publicity would be priceless (even if limited in scope). Hell, even Microsoft has folks working in the open source realm. I can not imagine that this is all that different.
This is why it sometimes sucks to not be an expert in everything. *sighs* I have no idea if you do not speak English and used Google Translate or if that is a joke based on the programming language.
Given the +1 status I am inclined to think it is either a joke or there is someone else who felt left out of a potential joke and decided they'd mod you up just in case it was funny.
It is not quite Poe's Law (or coleslaw) but it is damned close. At this point I guess the only rational choice is to laugh and pretend I get it so that I can fit in. It is much like listening to my daughter talk about a band, a boy, or current social issues and television. I listen, I really do, and I smile and nod (and even try to converse). Really, though? I have no clue.
Example: I honestly do not know who the Kardashians (spelling?) are. I am guessing they are on television. I have never Googled them. I have never read an article with them in it. I have never seen them on television. I have never seen a video of them. I see them referenced here once in a while and I use the insinuation to confirm my own conclusions that they are somehow bad for the universe and should be slaughtered for the benefit of all mankind but, frankly, they could be wonderful people. I do not even know what they look like, nor will I bother looking, and I am so far removed that I have never seen them in anything (though I suppose I have - I would not actually know unless someone pointed it out).
Not that your joke is the popular (unpopular?) people on television. No, I am guessing it is the exact opposite. I guess it's a penalty for not being aware of everything and for not being willing to search for every subject and learn about it.
Anyhow, sorry for the disruption. Carry on with your giggling and teeheeing. Or carry on translating from English to Siberian to San and back to English... Which ever it is, enjoy. I just figured I would point out that you managed to lose at least one of us. I think that qualifies as a "good job."
This is not meant to be sarcastic but, after I wrote what I wrote, I came back up here to point this out because it seemed to be interpretable as sarcastic.
So how is this useful in the real world - outside of academia and *maybe* a handful of geeks (world wide) that are able to make use of this? I am quite a geek, I pride myself on this, but I am honest enough to admit that I would have no idea where to start to take advantage of this nor do I see how this can have a meaningful impact on my life as it does not inherently increase trust - only implied trust. What are the benefits and why should I care? Answer carefully because their future depends on it. I, myself, would be interested in sending a small amount of money their way if I can rationalize doing so. It needn't benefit me, directly or indirectly, for me to consider donating but it does need to be useful and profoundly beneficial if it is only going to effect a small number of folks if you want people to be interested and especially so if they are in need of financial assistance.
You can actually see some of the Windows source code if you want. You must sign an NDA and you have to justify your access (at least you did while I was still in the MVP program - and that was as an MVP, some of the most trusted folks) but the program to do so is called the Shared Source Initiative or at least was. Meh, a quick Google indicates it still is.
So you can see the source, in part, if you want to. We had to tell them what we wanted to do with it (usually it involves tying an application in cleaner or a security review) but I never saw or heard of anyone getting denied when the program started and for the first few years that I was involved in it. Hell, they let *me* access it and I was known as the Linux geek amongst the group. (It took correction, on my part, to point out that I was a Unix geek. I have only recently switched to almost all Linux and little Unix.)
Anyhow, for those curious, I was an MVP in Shell, Security, and IE/OE. It was kind of fun. The rewards were nice and the community was cool. They accepted that I was not a zealot for Unix (nor a Microsoft zealot). I just use what suits my needs best for the task at hand. I stuck around for quite a while, helping many thousands of people in their newsgroups and on a site/forum that I ran at the time. Eventually I had some issues where I fell in love with a girl and we meandered across the planet without much direction. I had little time and stopped participating and was not re-awarded. She is gone and I just pay for my MSDN subscription. Life is easier.
I am not much better. I do, sometimes, review the source for interesting parts. At best, absolute best, I will find a bug and then go through the code and see if I can actually determine a fix. If I find a fix I send the code to the authors for inclusion and, obviously, with no strings attached. I have been able to do that on only a trivial number of occasions, I can think of three though it may have been more for I am old and my memory is faulty.
I have been to defcon in the past. What is amusing is all the people there from a variety of three letter agencies. They are usually the ones with nice shoes and/or dressed in dark attire. That is my impression at least though I suppose I could be mistaken. Anyhow, the amusement is in the number of them. I suspect they could send fewer or just get together and send a lot fewer people. In some of the smaller and more detailed talks there would be a bunch of them and they seem to gravitate towards each other.
I wonder about the possibility of an event where the feds were not invited and the venue was invite only sans marketers? They would need some way to vet attendees and some would get in through the cracks. Blackhat Con USA was weird feeling. You are sitting there in a talk and you know you are surrounded by law enforcement. I can only imagine that they are like the pervs that attend gaming conventions these days. (I have not been to a gaming convention in a good many years. I did go and get Dungeons and Dragons in loose-leaf format once but that was oh so many years ago and I am too old for such now.)
Antibacterials and antibiotics do not work on fungal infections as far as I know? I could VERY EASILY be mistaken though. I am not an expert and only have a limited experience, singular, to go by. Whilst serving in the military I ended up in Eastern Europe and came home with ring worm on my head. There's a special name for them - I do not know it nor do I care. It is a fungus. It took very strong anti-fungal medication (oral as topical did nothing) to rid myself of this. The prescription was rather expensive and caused some complaints but it was (obviously) paid for.