I have to say, it's nice to have an informative, refreshing reply/rebuttal to my post. I give you credit (minus the silly jab at grammar). What I meant is overall, things like USB were on PC first, *then* standard on Apple, but were all on PC in varying degrees. The other things mentioned, that the grandparent and you mentioned, fall under "that is retarded and I'm not buying a new connector just for Apple lock-in."
Wrong. 100%. Remember when the first IPhone came out and *everything* in his vision was HTML apps?
If he truly felt he is protecting the users, then he should fix the malware problem on the IPhone.
If he truly felt he is protecting the users, he should fix all the insecure ways of protecting your computer on MacOS X. Imagine that. Win7 has better security mechanisms than MacOS now.
You forget that some of us didn't have choices at the time. Up until, IIRC, 6 months ago, if only AT&T worked in your area (like mine), you had 3 smartphones: IPhone 3GS, Motorola Backflip, or a Blackberry 9700.
I had a 9700 before from another carrier. Loved the phone to death, just wanted a change. Backflip had Android 1.5 (when 2.0 was out), so no deal. All we had for a smartphone was the IPhone.
Ok people we have to ignore this poster. They're just spouting drivel.
Say it with me again, "The IPhone HAS MALWARE/VIRUSES/TROJANS/IS INSECURE."
As to your other points:
1) If your parents have a problem with an Android phone, then maybe they shouldn't even be using a smartphone. How about a plain old regular cell phone?
2) MS Office is used because it actually IS superior. No knocks to OO--I use OO as my main office suite. But even I know that MS Office is superior.
3) No tablet was made because they found no one wanted a tablet. They didn't have a fanbase of stupid, gullible, brain-washed customers like Apple did. So they didn't have an audience who would buy crap just because they said so. It actually had to fill a need.
And the main kicker...
4) You spout that the ITunes/Iphone combo is easy. Have you ever used ITunes? It is the buggiest, slowest, cryptic, un-user friendly P.O.S. out there. I think the only worse piece of software made other than ITunes is--you guessed it--Quicktime. Again from Apple.
Then the fanboys should then stop spouting drivel and telling everybody that Apple's products are the best thing ever.
The problem we have is people telling others to buy inferior products. We all know Apple products are crap. We just hate Apple zealouts shoving lies down our throats and seeing other people believe them, and spending their hard-earned money on a shiny toy instead of an actual, real, good product.
And above is the perfect fanboy. Rationalizing Apple's decisions.
For every one of those device's, PC did it first. And they all eventually came to every PC. The only ones that *didn't* were the ones that people said, "that's retarded and I'm not buying a new connector just for Apple." (mini-DVI, etc).
And no, Apple just wants another barrier so you only buy the IPhone through the approved way and they get a cut. Every other manufacturer has done fine with the normal SIM and don't have this problem. It's simply a case of more lock-in.
But you're the typical blind-eyed fanboy so you wouldn't realize the difference.
Except that they're not immune to malware. Witness the easy recent jailbreaking and that kid who hid tethering in a simple flashlight app. It's so easy to hide stuff in apps it's ridiculous. At least Android has permissions on an app to control/block malware.
READ: The IPhone has malware. IPhone is not secure.
Interesting. See, I had Vonage and had the opposite effect. It was great, but it would cut out. And cut out big time. Not like a cell phone where it would sound robotic but still go through, or you knew if you lost the person. I could be talking and hearing the person and never know the other person couldn't hear me. And then I had them do a firmware update on the adapter and had them utilize different ports. Sounded even worse. Sounded like I was underwater 70% of the time. *However,* I had my adapter behind a router (though I'd never do otherwise and place the adapter before it--a firewall is more important to have). But Vonage was plugged in via ethernet and I tuned my QoS for VoIP (although now that I think about it maybe QoS shoulda been off if my VoIP was on a non-standard port because then it would make my VoIP go *last* in line).
You would think though having dedicated hardware would make the VoIP solution better. Funny thing is, Skype with a wired ethernet connection has been best (as for VoIP). But again, only good 90% of the time. Which I guess is fine, but not for me. There are times you have have to a call work or a boss or do a job interview. You can't risk it then.
Anybody please comment on this, but my theory is you really need a fiber line with a specialty router to get quality like POTS. I think the latency, slow upload speeds, many packet requests, and consumer routers not being able to handle the load, will result in VoIP *never* working for consumer-level VoIP. Am I wrong? Or ways to address these issues?
I've never used a consumer level voip service/program that sounded that great or surpassed even cell phone quality. Good maybe 90% of the time, but the 5 was filled with stutter/hiccups/dead silence.
Honest question here though. Has anyone used a good VoIP solution over 3G? Any have a blackerry/android/iPhone app?
Honest question here though. Has anyone used Skype or another VoIP solution over 3G? I have a IPhone 3GS (another mistake I regret buying) and on the few short tests I've used it for, I get better reception/quality than traditional cell voice service. My guess is Skype keeps the connection open longer before dropping a call.
Your post made me laugh. I was thinking the exact same thing.
In all seriousness though, I'm not surprised by this happening. It's just business (and Apple business) as usual. Engineers, for the x'th time, came to Steve and said this is a brain-dead antennae design. Steve said "no, it's not lickable," and they had no choice. Now they need a scapegoat. I really hope this guy doesn't take this BS lying down.
I wonder if it's because the business service gives less latency or prioritizes its packets over the residential cable internet. Or maybe just because it gives more upload speed to give your sending data more room to breath (1 mbit/s for voice isn't alot when doing uploading, not like the 15 mbps download). I wonder if it's the issue with all VoIP.
Honest question here. Have you ever used a VoIP product/solution that delivered good quality? I'm not talking about enterprise setups with fiber, but something over consumer-level router/cable modem/ethernet combo. Vonage was just plain awful (robotic voices, garbled voice, underwater sounding voices), Skype was pretty good (stuttering/hiccups only 5-10% of the time but sounded like a landline), but how hard is it to make VoIP work as good as a landline or close to it? It's only transferring back and forth like 15-30k/sec max.
Better CS: Debateable. I had a great experience with a Gateway (*gasp*) years back. My machine was DOA. Had real American techs, and sent me a brand new entire unit, no questions asked. Apple: I hardly call driving to the store and getting a refurb'd unit better CS. Besides, pay $200 extra and you can get business support which kicks Apple's ass and they come to your freaking house next day. Hmm, $200 extra vs. $1000. Tough choice.
Better packaging: Worth a $1000 premium? Nope. Besides, e.g. HP Envy if you want it for waaaaay cheaper.
Better components: Wrong. Uses the same components as any other PC. PC even wins more because you can build a custom computer with every better component your heart desires. Fail 1000% here.
There is no need to spend a $500-1000 premium just because you want recovery disks. Disks are available from certain vendors. Purchase your machine from those vendors. Don't spend $1000 more when you can just spend $20 for a recover disk (or worst case, an OEM version of Win7 for $100).
In regards to tethering: that's great. But the fact that it's missing in the U.S. is a pretty damn big hole. And the fact that it's missing in it's primary market is retarded. Your argument doesn't hold here
In regards to #1: it does matter. What if you happen, as a user, to like an App. Apple pulls it. That means no more bug fixes, updates, etc. What if it's genuinely useful, and not the 60,000 fart/flashlight apps on the Itunes store?
For #3: Ever think that we don't have a choice in carriers? I don't live in the boonies, and yet Verizon works mediocrely, and T-Mobile just doesn't 70% of the time. AT&T is all that's left (never tried Sprint). Only 2 months ago the only choices for AT&T's smartphones you had were the Backflip, IPhone, and the Blackberry 9700. I had the 9700 already, so I wanted something different. I made the best choice at the time from a small selection of bad choices (IPhone, Backflip).
Also, wrong on the Android rooting part. Again. The only purpose to rooting on Apple phones was to have a true choice of apps. Android gives you it. Hence no need for rooting.
And in regards to flash, your opinion is great. Except it doesn't matter. Flash is important and is necessary for a fully functional web browsing experience.
Wrong. So Wrong. Typical apple fanboi going "but-but-but !"
The issue is installing any application you choose. The 99% reason to root a phone. To get around the issues below:
1) Approval--Apple pulls your app out of the blue. There goes your investment. Or declines it for any other numerous reasons.
3) Functionality--I shouldn't have to Jailbreak a device to get retardedly simple functionality. That limit that Apple puts up shouldn't even be there in the first place. Every other smartphone manufacturer has let you install anything u want. This entire argument wouldn't even exist if not for Apple creating it. Apple is single-handedly ruining the entire smartphone future.
Sorry Apple, tethering (and not AT&T's extra fee per month forever) and flash capability does matter. Short of reading online journal's, newspaper, etc, alot of web functionality comes from flash. The entire web won't change for you Apple, no matter how trendy now they're trying to make HTML5. And I don't care that NBC.com's online videos compete with Apple's ITunes. I don't care that Netflix streaming competes. These things give me a valuable service and I need flash to do it.
I shouldn't have to jailbreak it in the 1st place. I'll take the ability to have a true open market, along with superior technology. Oh, and a phone that you know, actually works and can place calls without dropping, from RIM or Google.
I could care less. Apple just isn't good enough. This story: *yawn*
Judging from your low UID you should know better than that.
1) Approval--unless for no reason Apple pulls your app out of the blue. There goes your investment. Or declines it for any other numerous reasons.
2) You get distribution, exposure, hosting and a lion's share of the money on Android Marketplace. Fail.
3) I shouldn't have to Jailbreak a device to get retardedly simple functionality. That limit that Apple puts up shouldn't even be there in the first place. Every other smartphone manufacturer has let you install anything u want. This entire argument wouldn't even exist if not for Apple creating it. Apple is single-handedly ruining the entire smartphone future.
Sorry Apple, tethering (and not AT&T's extra fee per month forever) and flash capability does matter. Short of reading online journal's, newspaper, etc, alot of web functionality comes from flash. The entire web won't change for you Apple, no matter how trendy now they're trying to make HTML5. And I don't care that NBC.com's online videos compete with Apple's ITunes. I don't care that Netflix streaming competes. These things give me a valuable service and I need flash to do it.
That's your opinion. I think iOS has a vastly *inferior* UI. I think the fact that Apple is missing a "back" button and you can't press and hold something to bring up a menu makes Android 100% superior. A different sized back button in a different font and location everytime. Yes, that's wonderful for quick navigation Apple!
And another great Apple UI invention: How many actually use your smartphone? I get texts, e-mails, IM's, etc. I have a 3GS. I get bombarded 24x7 with alerts that interrupt me and won't go away until I touch a button. People hate pop-ups, but when iOS gives them, they "love their Apple experience." Anyway, this gets real annoying for someone who actually uses their phone and gets more than 1 IM, e-mail, etc., and doesn't spend their day jerking off to playing a piano on his Iphone. Meanwhile, Android has a nice little non-intrusive alert. Android even elegantly sorts a drop-down box if you would like to see items at a glance. And it doesn't interrupt what I'm doing.
And don't get me started on multitasking. IOS has limited multitasking and the programmer has to enable it. This reminds me of back in the day when shit-brained Apple still had cooperative multi-tasking while the entire world was on true pre-emptive multitasking. Apple left it to the coders to do multitasking. Look at how well that worked out back then. Most coders are not that good, and as we see from the App Store (don't get me started on that one--95% are a buggy featureless mess), most of those developers are downright awful. Presently, thousands of apps now handle multitasking like garbage. And history repeats itself.
I only got the 3GS because I wanted a change at the time. I used Blackberries for years (which I absolutely loved; the Bold 9700 is quite possible the best phone in existence for people who actually use their phone, and don't play games or need 10,000 fart/flashlight apps), but I just felt like eating chicken instead of steak. I regret ever being duped by the hype ("but-but-Apple gives the best experience") and believing that Apple actually made a good product with a good UI.
For the rest of us, who actually want a superior product, stick with RIM and Android.
The general consensus is that Verizon didn't want to become Apple's bitch. They said no to modifying the network just for special Apple and wouldn't pay them protection money for each phone sold.
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I have to say, it's nice to have an informative, refreshing reply/rebuttal to my post. I give you credit (minus the silly jab at grammar). What I meant is overall, things like USB were on PC first, *then* standard on Apple, but were all on PC in varying degrees. The other things mentioned, that the grandparent and you mentioned, fall under "that is retarded and I'm not buying a new connector just for Apple lock-in."
Wrong. 100%. Remember when the first IPhone came out and *everything* in his vision was HTML apps?
If he truly felt he is protecting the users, then he should fix the malware problem on the IPhone.
If he truly felt he is protecting the users, he should fix all the insecure ways of protecting your computer on MacOS X. Imagine that. Win7 has better security mechanisms than MacOS now.
You forget that some of us didn't have choices at the time. Up until, IIRC, 6 months ago, if only AT&T worked in your area (like mine), you had 3 smartphones: IPhone 3GS, Motorola Backflip, or a Blackberry 9700.
I had a 9700 before from another carrier. Loved the phone to death, just wanted a change. Backflip had Android 1.5 (when 2.0 was out), so no deal. All we had for a smartphone was the IPhone.
I regret my decision ever since.
Ok people we have to ignore this poster. They're just spouting drivel.
Say it with me again, "The IPhone HAS MALWARE/VIRUSES/TROJANS/IS INSECURE."
As to your other points:
1) If your parents have a problem with an Android phone, then maybe they shouldn't even be using a smartphone. How about a plain old regular cell phone?
2) MS Office is used because it actually IS superior. No knocks to OO--I use OO as my main office suite. But even I know that MS Office is superior.
3) No tablet was made because they found no one wanted a tablet. They didn't have a fanbase of stupid, gullible, brain-washed customers like Apple did. So they didn't have an audience who would buy crap just because they said so. It actually had to fill a need.
And the main kicker...
4) You spout that the ITunes/Iphone combo is easy. Have you ever used ITunes? It is the buggiest, slowest, cryptic, un-user friendly P.O.S. out there. I think the only worse piece of software made other than ITunes is--you guessed it--Quicktime. Again from Apple.
Then the fanboys should then stop spouting drivel and telling everybody that Apple's products are the best thing ever.
The problem we have is people telling others to buy inferior products. We all know Apple products are crap. We just hate Apple zealouts shoving lies down our throats and seeing other people believe them, and spending their hard-earned money on a shiny toy instead of an actual, real, good product.
And for someone with such a low UID, you should know better that the IPhone is not free of malware...
And above is the perfect fanboy. Rationalizing Apple's decisions.
For every one of those device's, PC did it first. And they all eventually came to every PC. The only ones that *didn't* were the ones that people said, "that's retarded and I'm not buying a new connector just for Apple." (mini-DVI, etc).
And no, Apple just wants another barrier so you only buy the IPhone through the approved way and they get a cut. Every other manufacturer has done fine with the normal SIM and don't have this problem. It's simply a case of more lock-in.
But you're the typical blind-eyed fanboy so you wouldn't realize the difference.
Except that they're not immune to malware. Witness the easy recent jailbreaking and that kid who hid tethering in a simple flashlight app. It's so easy to hide stuff in apps it's ridiculous. At least Android has permissions on an app to control/block malware.
READ: The IPhone has malware. IPhone is not secure.
Interesting. See, I had Vonage and had the opposite effect. It was great, but it would cut out. And cut out big time. Not like a cell phone where it would sound robotic but still go through, or you knew if you lost the person. I could be talking and hearing the person and never know the other person couldn't hear me. And then I had them do a firmware update on the adapter and had them utilize different ports. Sounded even worse. Sounded like I was underwater 70% of the time. *However,* I had my adapter behind a router (though I'd never do otherwise and place the adapter before it--a firewall is more important to have). But Vonage was plugged in via ethernet and I tuned my QoS for VoIP (although now that I think about it maybe QoS shoulda been off if my VoIP was on a non-standard port because then it would make my VoIP go *last* in line).
You would think though having dedicated hardware would make the VoIP solution better. Funny thing is, Skype with a wired ethernet connection has been best (as for VoIP). But again, only good 90% of the time. Which I guess is fine, but not for me. There are times you have have to a call work or a boss or do a job interview. You can't risk it then.
Anybody please comment on this, but my theory is you really need a fiber line with a specialty router to get quality like POTS. I think the latency, slow upload speeds, many packet requests, and consumer routers not being able to handle the load, will result in VoIP *never* working for consumer-level VoIP. Am I wrong? Or ways to address these issues?
I've never used a consumer level voip service/program that sounded that great or surpassed even cell phone quality. Good maybe 90% of the time, but the 5 was filled with stutter/hiccups/dead silence.
Honest question here though. Has anyone used a good VoIP solution over 3G? Any have a blackerry/android/iPhone app?
Anybody have experiences to share?
Amen. The design is absolutely retarded.
Honest question here though. Has anyone used Skype or another VoIP solution over 3G? I have a IPhone 3GS (another mistake I regret buying) and on the few short tests I've used it for, I get better reception/quality than traditional cell voice service. My guess is Skype keeps the connection open longer before dropping a call.
Anybody have experiences to share?
Your post made me laugh. I was thinking the exact same thing.
In all seriousness though, I'm not surprised by this happening. It's just business (and Apple business) as usual. Engineers, for the x'th time, came to Steve and said this is a brain-dead antennae design. Steve said "no, it's not lickable," and they had no choice. Now they need a scapegoat. I really hope this guy doesn't take this BS lying down.
I wonder if it's because the business service gives less latency or prioritizes its packets over the residential cable internet. Or maybe just because it gives more upload speed to give your sending data more room to breath (1 mbit/s for voice isn't alot when doing uploading, not like the 15 mbps download). I wonder if it's the issue with all VoIP.
Honest question here. Have you ever used a VoIP product/solution that delivered good quality? I'm not talking about enterprise setups with fiber, but something over consumer-level router/cable modem/ethernet combo. Vonage was just plain awful (robotic voices, garbled voice, underwater sounding voices), Skype was pretty good (stuttering/hiccups only 5-10% of the time but sounded like a landline), but how hard is it to make VoIP work as good as a landline or close to it? It's only transferring back and forth like 15-30k/sec max.
You find any solutions?
Incorrect.
Better CS:
Debateable. I had a great experience with a Gateway (*gasp*) years back. My machine was DOA. Had real American techs, and sent me a brand new entire unit, no questions asked. Apple: I hardly call driving to the store and getting a refurb'd unit better CS. Besides, pay $200 extra and you can get business support which kicks Apple's ass and they come to your freaking house next day. Hmm, $200 extra vs. $1000. Tough choice.
Better packaging:
Worth a $1000 premium? Nope. Besides, e.g. HP Envy if you want it for waaaaay cheaper.
Better components:
Wrong. Uses the same components as any other PC. PC even wins more because you can build a custom computer with every better component your heart desires. Fail 1000% here.
A. Spend $500-1000 premium for an Apple computer to get recovery disks
or
B. Spend $20 for PC recovery disks, or *worst case scenario* spend $100 for Win7 OEM
Great logic.
There is no need to spend a $500-1000 premium just because you want recovery disks. Disks are available from certain vendors. Purchase your machine from those vendors. Don't spend $1000 more when you can just spend $20 for a recover disk (or worst case, an OEM version of Win7 for $100).
In regards to tethering: that's great. But the fact that it's missing in the U.S. is a pretty damn big hole. And the fact that it's missing in it's primary market is retarded. Your argument doesn't hold here
In regards to #1: it does matter. What if you happen, as a user, to like an App. Apple pulls it. That means no more bug fixes, updates, etc. What if it's genuinely useful, and not the 60,000 fart/flashlight apps on the Itunes store?
For #3: Ever think that we don't have a choice in carriers? I don't live in the boonies, and yet Verizon works mediocrely, and T-Mobile just doesn't 70% of the time. AT&T is all that's left (never tried Sprint). Only 2 months ago the only choices for AT&T's smartphones you had were the Backflip, IPhone, and the Blackberry 9700. I had the 9700 already, so I wanted something different. I made the best choice at the time from a small selection of bad choices (IPhone, Backflip).
Also, wrong on the Android rooting part. Again. The only purpose to rooting on Apple phones was to have a true choice of apps. Android gives you it. Hence no need for rooting.
And in regards to flash, your opinion is great. Except it doesn't matter. Flash is important and is necessary for a fully functional web browsing experience.
Wrong. So Wrong. Typical apple fanboi going "but-but-but !"
The issue is installing any application you choose. The 99% reason to root a phone. To get around the issues below:
1) Approval--Apple pulls your app out of the blue. There goes your investment. Or declines it for any other numerous reasons.
3) Functionality--I shouldn't have to Jailbreak a device to get retardedly simple functionality. That limit that Apple puts up shouldn't even be there in the first place. Every other smartphone manufacturer has let you install anything u want. This entire argument wouldn't even exist if not for Apple creating it. Apple is single-handedly ruining the entire smartphone future.
Sorry Apple, tethering (and not AT&T's extra fee per month forever) and flash capability does matter. Short of reading online journal's, newspaper, etc, alot of web functionality comes from flash. The entire web won't change for you Apple, no matter how trendy now they're trying to make HTML5. And I don't care that NBC.com's online videos compete with Apple's ITunes. I don't care that Netflix streaming competes. These things give me a valuable service and I need flash to do it.
I shouldn't have to jailbreak it in the 1st place. I'll take the ability to have a true open market, along with superior technology. Oh, and a phone that you know, actually works and can place calls without dropping, from RIM or Google.
I could care less. Apple just isn't good enough. This story: *yawn*
Judging from your low UID you should know better than that.
1) Approval--unless for no reason Apple pulls your app out of the blue. There goes your investment. Or declines it for any other numerous reasons.
2) You get distribution, exposure, hosting and a lion's share of the money on Android Marketplace. Fail.
3) I shouldn't have to Jailbreak a device to get retardedly simple functionality. That limit that Apple puts up shouldn't even be there in the first place. Every other smartphone manufacturer has let you install anything u want. This entire argument wouldn't even exist if not for Apple creating it. Apple is single-handedly ruining the entire smartphone future.
Sorry Apple, tethering (and not AT&T's extra fee per month forever) and flash capability does matter. Short of reading online journal's, newspaper, etc, alot of web functionality comes from flash. The entire web won't change for you Apple, no matter how trendy now they're trying to make HTML5. And I don't care that NBC.com's online videos compete with Apple's ITunes. I don't care that Netflix streaming competes. These things give me a valuable service and I need flash to do it.
Please don't even attempt to argue that MacOS, before MacOS X, was superior.
Cooperative multi-tasking. Sure, MacOS was superior to Win 3.1.
At that time I hate to tell you about Win 95 and Win NT, vs. MacOS
You can't fix stupid.
Tethering apps (with NO rooting):
Poster below mentions $10 tether app
PDANet, $30 or free
Try again troll.
That's your opinion. I think iOS has a vastly *inferior* UI. I think the fact that Apple is missing a "back" button and you can't press and hold something to bring up a menu makes Android 100% superior. A different sized back button in a different font and location everytime. Yes, that's wonderful for quick navigation Apple!
And another great Apple UI invention:
How many actually use your smartphone? I get texts, e-mails, IM's, etc. I have a 3GS. I get bombarded 24x7 with alerts that interrupt me and won't go away until I touch a button. People hate pop-ups, but when iOS gives them, they "love their Apple experience." Anyway, this gets real annoying for someone who actually uses their phone and gets more than 1 IM, e-mail, etc., and doesn't spend their day jerking off to playing a piano on his Iphone. Meanwhile, Android has a nice little non-intrusive alert. Android even elegantly sorts a drop-down box if you would like to see items at a glance. And it doesn't interrupt what I'm doing.
And don't get me started on multitasking. IOS has limited multitasking and the programmer has to enable it. This reminds me of back in the day when shit-brained Apple still had cooperative multi-tasking while the entire world was on true pre-emptive multitasking. Apple left it to the coders to do multitasking. Look at how well that worked out back then. Most coders are not that good, and as we see from the App Store (don't get me started on that one--95% are a buggy featureless mess), most of those developers are downright awful. Presently, thousands of apps now handle multitasking like garbage. And history repeats itself.
I only got the 3GS because I wanted a change at the time. I used Blackberries for years (which I absolutely loved; the Bold 9700 is quite possible the best phone in existence for people who actually use their phone, and don't play games or need 10,000 fart/flashlight apps), but I just felt like eating chicken instead of steak. I regret ever being duped by the hype ("but-but-Apple gives the best experience") and believing that Apple actually made a good product with a good UI.
For the rest of us, who actually want a superior product, stick with RIM and Android.
And you know this how?
The general consensus is that Verizon didn't want to become Apple's bitch. They said no to modifying the network just for special Apple and wouldn't pay them protection money for each phone sold.