Although the original article has been altered somewhat so direct comparison is impossible, I took the time to compare the two blog entries; one, his original entry on the subject, and two, his comments with direct quotes from the article.
Nowhere do they lift his words in the article. Not even one sentence, not even a half a sentence. So, no copyright infringement (at even the most generous definition of the word) and no plagerism. The news author just did some research and wrote an article.
This isn't a college paper, this is a newspaper article, and a brief one at that. (One could argue the newspaper version is a vast improvement, actually).
It may well be certain facts were gleaned from his blog entry.... facts that could have been independently verified by the news author. Verifiable facts do not enjoy copyright protection (deliberate lies inter-spread with facts do, believe it or not, that's how they copyright the phone book... but if the alleged offender omits the lies, you're case is over).
That leaves lifting his words verbatim, which also didn't happen. Case dismissed.
Nester's Map & Guide Corp. v. Hagstrom Map Co., 796 F.Supp. 729, E.D.N.Y., 1992, a United States federal court found that copyright traps are not themselves protectable by copyright. There, the court stated: "[t]o treat 'false' facts interspersed among actual facts and represented as actual facts as fiction would mean that no one could ever reproduce or copy actual facts without risk of reproducing a false fact and thereby violating a copyright . . . . If such were the law, information could never be reproduced or widely disseminated." (Id. at 733)
IAAL; this is ridiculous. The presentation was not taken. All this guy is complaining about are the facts.
I have to call up to what someone else above said, there is no legal obligation on the newspaper's part here, but that doesn't mean that there is no ethical or moral obligation.
Stopped reading and completely discounted all of your opinions once I read you seriously use notepad.exe for writing code.
I don't seriously use notepad.exe for most of my coding... I'm pretty sure I mostly used VIM for Windows on my own dev box.
However, seriously, what about notepad makes it impossible to do coding? When I'm on a Windows machine, that I will only use for about an hour, and then walk away from that machine, why would I bother to install some new program? Especially on a build machine, maintained by a lab somewhere else, such that I don't have admin rights?
Certainly, let's putz around installing random toolset number 172 rather than use the tools that are already available on it...
Well I get that. 50-100 machines (http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2003-07/msg01117.html ). As far as at Microsoft, yeah unless you are in one of a very few teams that's a bit of a problem.
That's a lot of work to do to force a toolset into place, rather than learn a new one...
Do they have a specific motivation for wanting to read this particular voynich?
This is the most accurate description of what this is that I think I've seen... it's a "voynich". I don't think they have any real notion of what should even be on the notes, and may likely not relate to anything in the investigation at all. That's probably most indicated by there being no reward offered.
Yep agree with what you wrote. The guy is clueless. As an aside, I should mention you can actually use those unixy tools on windows:
I've known about Cygwin, and use it extensively, unfortunately, where I was working, it wasn't really an option. Partly, because I had about 50~100 computers I was on from time to time, and installing it upon each and everyone one of them was kind of impractical. Secondly, I was at Microsoft...
Yeah, none of what he was talking about seemed to line up all too well with reality to me. I did plenty of development on a Mac (PowerPC Mac no less!) and never had any problems as long as I stuck to POSIX specifications, and kept aware of BSD vs. SysV differences (e.g. reseting signal handlers is different between the two.)
It seems like this guy is pretty heavily "tools dependent", i.e. he can't get anything done on his own, and needs a tool to do all of it for him. Complaining about the editors and the tools is the biggest sign of all that he's extremely tools dependent.
When I started development on Windows, it took me a long time to get used to findstr and dir/s/b instead of grep and find... but I didn't blame the tools themselves... I understood that I'm not used to the tools, and I prepared to explain to people that I wasn't used to the tools, and needed some slack to get used to them.
I was writing a C/curses application with pthreads on OSX that compiled with no modifications on Linux. Ran fine, too, after I changed a stupid assumption about select() that worked on *BSD but not Linux. And that was my fault for not following POSIX.
Right on. Reading this, I made the same reasoning... if this guy can't code to specifications, then he's apparently just ignorant (nothing wrong with that, I'm ignorant about a lot of stuff) but if he can't realize that his error is in violating specifications rather than "my dev environment is different than my production environment!" then that escalates his ignorance to idiocy.
I used to work in an environment that depended upon MACHINE NAMES and machine-specific credentials, and we managed to get things done without complaining about "the production environment is IMPOSSIBLE to replicate on our dev machines".
And lastly, I used 50~100 different computers at times, and I couldn't waste the time to install a better text editor than the Notepad.exe that comes with Windows on all those machines, when I would really only touch maybe 10~25 of them at most ever. I got used to programming in Notepad...
I'm not here to say that Notepad is perfect, nor is it ever really the perfect solution, but it's like ABS in cars, if you're a race car driver and you can't drive without ABS, then SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH YOU... or you're simply not a particularly good race car driver. Tools are there to help us, and make life easier, but if we depend upon them entirely to get anything done, then we've made the mistake of making ourselves dependent upon them. Syntax highlighting and keyboard shortcuts should be shortcuts and helpful aids, not mandatory requirements to get anything done.
It's got nothing to do with the temperature, it's just that as the temp gets lower the carrying capacity of air gets lower and you get more condensation on the shield. I've personally seen my helmet fog up when the whether was well into the 80s. Which is why I promptly bought a permanent fog proof lens for my helmet.
well, I've really only lived in two places: New Mexico, and Seattle. Both have a pretty consistent water saturation of the air... (NM being almost no where near, and the later being almost always above) So, I'm really only used to temperature being the variant, but now that I remember/realize that other people live in places with varying water content of the air, yes, you're totally right.
I very often ride with the smallest face shield opening the helmet will latch. Still get fogging on the sunglasses underneath, though.
I picked up a smoked face shield, it lets you ride with the smallest face shield openning, _and_ have sunglasses.
Also, I found not putting my head sock up over my nose keeps the moisture from being blown back up into my sunglasses/glasses. (I have to wear glasses any time I am driving/riding, so moisture on those REALLY bites.) Of course, this also means your nose will freeze a lot, but at least you'll be able to see.
What I find even more interesting, is due to DOMA and the weird way we treat homosexual marriages in this country, it's possible that someone could marry a person of the same sex in Massachusetts, move to Texas, and marry a person of the opposite sex, and Texas could not technically charge the person with polygamy. But then, if the person ever went on vacation (or even just had a layover in a city in a state that recognized both marriages) then they could be arrested in that state for polygamy.
Seriously, this is the whole reason why "full faith and credit" was supposed to be in the Constitution, to keep these sorts of weird ass "am I married in _THIS_ state though?" questions from coming up. Like, there are people in Texas who have been denied a divorce for a legal marriage performed elsewhere, because another state let them get married out of state, but won't allow an out of state divorce, so they have to get divorced in the state they live in, but since Texas doesn't recognize the marriage, it won't grant them a divorce... so they're stuck being married unless they move back to Massachusetts or whatever it was.
Seriously, FULL FAITH AND CREDIT PEOPLE... it causes a lot fewer headaches...
It doesn't even have to be snowing or cold enough for snowing for motorcycle face shields to fog up. If it's cold enough that you can "HAH!" onto a window and have it fog up, eventually your face shield is going to fog up. (Especially, while stopped!)
Anti-fog for motorcycle face shields is a SUPER must have in any weather at about 50 or colder.
The Tau Manifesto talks about this, the book "Pi is Wrong!" actually presents a three legged pi symbol for the circle constant, and a reading of "one turn" or "turn" to it. I would type the symbol here on slashdot, except that there is no way to type it, because it's entirely unique.
So, thus the problem of introducing a new symbol: adding support is highly unlikely.
This really needs to be pushed to TFS's title. I was reading it, and I was like "wtf? A _THIRD_ explosion? That's not good, because it hasn't been expected..." Then I click on the Japanese article, and I'm all "wtf? We already know the #3 reactor concrete enclosure structure exploded... am I missing something here?"
Then I find out "nope". And here I had already turned on the news again to figure out what I was missing...
Wait a minute. In the US, you learn basic math like limits and calculus at university, not already at school?!!
In High School, I knew a foreign exchange student from Germany. He was taking a full set of elective classes, because no matter what courses he took here, he had no possible chance of receiving any credit back home for the classes beyond English credits.
I was about to side with the kids on this until I read TFA. They called him a pedophile... screw these kids, expel 'em!
2 things you never throw around lightly: Pedophile & Rape.
The two students that were suspended used those two words, but the one who was expelled just called him "bipolar". WTF? How can calling someone bipolar be worse than calling someone a pedophile, or rapist?
Nowhere in the states can you record in public without permission from anybody at all. That's always illegal.
In Washington State you can, given one exception: it's clear that you're recording. As in, you have a microphone, camera or other device displayed prominently. Also, you're allowed to record if you openly announce that you are recording before they say anything.
In either of these cases, it's presumed that by saying anything, you're consenting to being recorded.
And do you think it is "appropriate" for diplomats to also serve as spies? Not only is this simply "wrong" it is quite probably also illegal under international rules and law.
Actually, I'm pretty sure it is par for the course in International conduct, even among allies. In fact, it's rather EXPECTED behavior of diplomats. That's why we don't tell them anything that we don't want the other side to hear.
2) disagreeing with a law morally entitles somebody to break it.
The law also forced Rosa Parks to sit in the back of the bus because of her skin color. Some laws are immoral and need to be broken for the greater good.
Rosa Parks was arrested charged and spent at least overnight in jail as a result of her civil disobedience.
Moral objection to laws and civil disobedience does not mean that you are exempt from punishment. In fact, more often than not, it means that you WILL be punished, so that you can then have full standing to challenge the law in court.
That's doubtful-- I'm sure he's under NDA. The best he could probably do is provide hints, and even that could get him in trouble.
Some of us are in a position where not even MS can hurt us... so the NDAs hardly mean anything. I've actually considered telling Microsoft that I'm intending on breaching the contract... of course, I'm not actually there yet... it kind of depends on if I think my life will ever get better.
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Although the original article has been altered somewhat so direct comparison is impossible, I took the time to compare the two blog entries; one, his original entry on the subject, and two, his comments with direct quotes from the article.
Nowhere do they lift his words in the article. Not even one sentence, not even a half a sentence. So, no copyright infringement (at even the most generous definition of the word) and no plagerism. The news author just did some research and wrote an article.
This isn't a college paper, this is a newspaper article, and a brief one at that. (One could argue the newspaper version is a vast improvement, actually).
It may well be certain facts were gleaned from his blog entry .... facts that could have been independently verified by the news author. Verifiable facts do not enjoy copyright protection (deliberate lies inter-spread with facts do, believe it or not, that's how they copyright the phone book ... but if the alleged offender omits the lies, you're case is over).
That leaves lifting his words verbatim, which also didn't happen. Case dismissed.
Nester's Map & Guide Corp. v. Hagstrom Map Co., 796 F.Supp. 729, E.D.N.Y., 1992, a United States federal court found that copyright traps are not themselves protectable by copyright. There, the court stated: "[t]o treat 'false' facts interspersed among actual facts and represented as actual facts as fiction would mean that no one could ever reproduce or copy actual facts without risk of reproducing a false fact and thereby violating a copyright . . . . If such were the law, information could never be reproduced or widely disseminated." (Id. at 733)
IAAL; this is ridiculous. The presentation was not taken. All this guy is complaining about are the facts.
I have to call up to what someone else above said, there is no legal obligation on the newspaper's part here, but that doesn't mean that there is no ethical or moral obligation.
i believe the SI unit is milliDianas
I think they updated to the Sheen since the measurements were more consistent...
Stopped reading and completely discounted all of your opinions once I read you seriously use notepad.exe for writing code.
I don't seriously use notepad.exe for most of my coding... I'm pretty sure I mostly used VIM for Windows on my own dev box.
However, seriously, what about notepad makes it impossible to do coding? When I'm on a Windows machine, that I will only use for about an hour, and then walk away from that machine, why would I bother to install some new program? Especially on a build machine, maintained by a lab somewhere else, such that I don't have admin rights?
Certainly, let's putz around installing random toolset number 172 rather than use the tools that are already available on it...
Well I get that. 50-100 machines (http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2003-07/msg01117.html ). As far as at Microsoft, yeah unless you are in one of a very few teams that's a bit of a problem.
That's a lot of work to do to force a toolset into place, rather than learn a new one...
Do they have a specific motivation for wanting to read this particular voynich?
This is the most accurate description of what this is that I think I've seen... it's a "voynich". I don't think they have any real notion of what should even be on the notes, and may likely not relate to anything in the investigation at all. That's probably most indicated by there being no reward offered.
Yep agree with what you wrote. The guy is clueless. As an aside, I should mention you can actually use those unixy tools on windows:
I've known about Cygwin, and use it extensively, unfortunately, where I was working, it wasn't really an option. Partly, because I had about 50~100 computers I was on from time to time, and installing it upon each and everyone one of them was kind of impractical. Secondly, I was at Microsoft...
Yeah, none of what he was talking about seemed to line up all too well with reality to me. I did plenty of development on a Mac (PowerPC Mac no less!) and never had any problems as long as I stuck to POSIX specifications, and kept aware of BSD vs. SysV differences (e.g. reseting signal handlers is different between the two.)
It seems like this guy is pretty heavily "tools dependent", i.e. he can't get anything done on his own, and needs a tool to do all of it for him. Complaining about the editors and the tools is the biggest sign of all that he's extremely tools dependent.
When I started development on Windows, it took me a long time to get used to findstr and dir /s /b instead of grep and find... but I didn't blame the tools themselves... I understood that I'm not used to the tools, and I prepared to explain to people that I wasn't used to the tools, and needed some slack to get used to them.
I was writing a C/curses application with pthreads on OSX that compiled with no modifications on Linux. Ran fine, too, after I changed a stupid assumption about select() that worked on *BSD but not Linux. And that was my fault for not following POSIX.
Right on. Reading this, I made the same reasoning... if this guy can't code to specifications, then he's apparently just ignorant (nothing wrong with that, I'm ignorant about a lot of stuff) but if he can't realize that his error is in violating specifications rather than "my dev environment is different than my production environment!" then that escalates his ignorance to idiocy.
I used to work in an environment that depended upon MACHINE NAMES and machine-specific credentials, and we managed to get things done without complaining about "the production environment is IMPOSSIBLE to replicate on our dev machines".
And lastly, I used 50~100 different computers at times, and I couldn't waste the time to install a better text editor than the Notepad.exe that comes with Windows on all those machines, when I would really only touch maybe 10~25 of them at most ever. I got used to programming in Notepad...
I'm not here to say that Notepad is perfect, nor is it ever really the perfect solution, but it's like ABS in cars, if you're a race car driver and you can't drive without ABS, then SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH YOU... or you're simply not a particularly good race car driver. Tools are there to help us, and make life easier, but if we depend upon them entirely to get anything done, then we've made the mistake of making ourselves dependent upon them. Syntax highlighting and keyboard shortcuts should be shortcuts and helpful aids, not mandatory requirements to get anything done.
Ctrl-A? Because OSX uses Cmd for all its menu shortcuts, they have the emacs short cuts all built in to nearly ever text editor.
I hate you, too, random internet troll!
It's got nothing to do with the temperature, it's just that as the temp gets lower the carrying capacity of air gets lower and you get more condensation on the shield. I've personally seen my helmet fog up when the whether was well into the 80s. Which is why I promptly bought a permanent fog proof lens for my helmet.
well, I've really only lived in two places: New Mexico, and Seattle. Both have a pretty consistent water saturation of the air... (NM being almost no where near, and the later being almost always above) So, I'm really only used to temperature being the variant, but now that I remember/realize that other people live in places with varying water content of the air, yes, you're totally right.
Tell me about it. (oh, you did).
I very often ride with the smallest face shield opening the helmet will latch. Still get fogging on the sunglasses underneath, though.
I picked up a smoked face shield, it lets you ride with the smallest face shield openning, _and_ have sunglasses.
Also, I found not putting my head sock up over my nose keeps the moisture from being blown back up into my sunglasses/glasses. (I have to wear glasses any time I am driving/riding, so moisture on those REALLY bites.) Of course, this also means your nose will freeze a lot, but at least you'll be able to see.
What I find even more interesting, is due to DOMA and the weird way we treat homosexual marriages in this country, it's possible that someone could marry a person of the same sex in Massachusetts, move to Texas, and marry a person of the opposite sex, and Texas could not technically charge the person with polygamy. But then, if the person ever went on vacation (or even just had a layover in a city in a state that recognized both marriages) then they could be arrested in that state for polygamy.
Seriously, this is the whole reason why "full faith and credit" was supposed to be in the Constitution, to keep these sorts of weird ass "am I married in _THIS_ state though?" questions from coming up. Like, there are people in Texas who have been denied a divorce for a legal marriage performed elsewhere, because another state let them get married out of state, but won't allow an out of state divorce, so they have to get divorced in the state they live in, but since Texas doesn't recognize the marriage, it won't grant them a divorce... so they're stuck being married unless they move back to Massachusetts or whatever it was.
Seriously, FULL FAITH AND CREDIT PEOPLE... it causes a lot fewer headaches...
It doesn't even have to be snowing or cold enough for snowing for motorcycle face shields to fog up. If it's cold enough that you can "HAH!" onto a window and have it fog up, eventually your face shield is going to fog up. (Especially, while stopped!)
Anti-fog for motorcycle face shields is a SUPER must have in any weather at about 50 or colder.
The Tau Manifesto talks about this, the book "Pi is Wrong!" actually presents a three legged pi symbol for the circle constant, and a reading of "one turn" or "turn" to it. I would type the symbol here on slashdot, except that there is no way to type it, because it's entirely unique.
So, thus the problem of introducing a new symbol: adding support is highly unlikely.
This really needs to be pushed to TFS's title. I was reading it, and I was like "wtf? A _THIRD_ explosion? That's not good, because it hasn't been expected..." Then I click on the Japanese article, and I'm all "wtf? We already know the #3 reactor concrete enclosure structure exploded... am I missing something here?"
Then I find out "nope". And here I had already turned on the news again to figure out what I was missing...
And "e" is not just the Euler constant, but also the charge of an electron... what's your point?
"I want it all, I want it now, usw"
Did you just use the German "usw" = "und so weiter" = "etc"?
Wait a minute. In the US, you learn basic math like limits and calculus at university, not already at school?!!
In High School, I knew a foreign exchange student from Germany. He was taking a full set of elective classes, because no matter what courses he took here, he had no possible chance of receiving any credit back home for the classes beyond English credits.
I was about to side with the kids on this until I read TFA. They called him a pedophile... screw these kids, expel 'em!
2 things you never throw around lightly: Pedophile & Rape.
The two students that were suspended used those two words, but the one who was expelled just called him "bipolar". WTF? How can calling someone bipolar be worse than calling someone a pedophile, or rapist?
Nowhere in the states can you record in public without permission from anybody at all. That's always illegal.
In Washington State you can, given one exception: it's clear that you're recording. As in, you have a microphone, camera or other device displayed prominently. Also, you're allowed to record if you openly announce that you are recording before they say anything.
In either of these cases, it's presumed that by saying anything, you're consenting to being recorded.
And do you think it is "appropriate" for diplomats to also serve as spies? Not only is this simply "wrong" it is quite probably also illegal under international rules and law.
Actually, I'm pretty sure it is par for the course in International conduct, even among allies. In fact, it's rather EXPECTED behavior of diplomats. That's why we don't tell them anything that we don't want the other side to hear.
The law also forced Rosa Parks to sit in the back of the bus because of her skin color. Some laws are immoral and need to be broken for the greater good.
Rosa Parks was arrested charged and spent at least overnight in jail as a result of her civil disobedience.
Moral objection to laws and civil disobedience does not mean that you are exempt from punishment. In fact, more often than not, it means that you WILL be punished, so that you can then have full standing to challenge the law in court.
That's doubtful-- I'm sure he's under NDA. The best he could probably do is provide hints, and even that could get him in trouble.
Some of us are in a position where not even MS can hurt us... so the NDAs hardly mean anything. I've actually considered telling Microsoft that I'm intending on breaching the contract... of course, I'm not actually there yet... it kind of depends on if I think my life will ever get better.