Yeah, and you start product activation. The money for the fees to use this code has to come from somewhere and making linux non-open/non-free is just going to make it another Mac OS. Don't we have more closed and paid OSes then any human needs? If you think that's the point of linux - to cater to you at any cost, you need to stay on your windows/mac.
That's not even close to what you said in your original post. You said that you would rather have your own child raped or killed than live in a society with means to report sexual predators in every communications medium. If you've forgotten your idiotic comment, I'll quote you once again:
You bend my words! I said I'd rather have my kid raped or kill then for them to live in a totalitarian country that they are still not safe in. That said, I would take the same deal myself, but we are not talking about me. Also, this goes FAR past being a simple "means to report sexual predators". This is a violation of privacy and nothing short of illegal wiretapping as I see it.
Additionally, there is no such proposition to add a "report enemy of the people" button. Or perhaps there is, and you've read it in another article. Can you provide the link?
Maybe not yet, but as soon as this is shown to "work" (and you are kidding me if you think they are going to say it doesn't) it will be made into an everything-under-the-sun button. How long until the RIAA forces MS to put a "report music pirate" button on? How long before MS themselves put a "report windows pirate" button on? If you think these things will not happen, you have no sense, forget "sense of decency".
It will make it much easier now, though, to protect our children from sexual predators.
You KEEP saying that and KEEP forgeting to back it up. How, exactly, does it help? You are joking if you think they are going to care. Ether the system will be abused by the police or totally ignored by them. In ether way it's bad. So why does it exist?
Answer this for me- if your own underage child (the one you said you would rather have raped or killed than live in a society with electronic means to report sexual predators) is sexually propositioned in an online chat by a grown man or woman, what will you do?
I'd hunt them down and beat them to a bloody pulp. And in any case, congratulate my kids on doing the right thing.
Why can't you accept that your kids will never be safe, and safety is the price we pay for freedom and privacy? People that give in to emotional appeals like this are the reason we have the patirot act, the DMCA and all other totalitarian laws.
So you dont believe in intellectual property or copyright at all eh?
I guess it's hard to know about intellectual property when you lack the first part of it.
I didnt realsie that there were so many communists in the USA these days.
You mean those Russians and Chinese who like to build walls and missles and talk odd? No, I never noticed many myself.
It seems you want tor edistribute the hard work of others without their consent.
I know, he's evil. I bet he didn't even ASK Ikea before having his yard sale!
Sounds like you dont want anyone to produce new music, movies, games or software, as there will be very little of any produced when there is sod all payment for the product.
Yeah, that's how the communists here are. Wait, didn't I already explain that? Hmmm...
Go on, tell me how the 'open-source' movement is going to fund the next lord of the rings movie, we could all do with a good laugh.
You mean like those render servers that run Linux? Or the people who use blender for modeling? Yeah, that's real funny... I guess...
I bet you have never created anything of value in your entire life, yet are happy to leach off the work of others.
I made this post, but then again only time will tell if it has any value or not. Oh well, I guess we can't ALL be overpaid RIAA plebes.
This could EASYLY mean anyone who has ever deleted an MP3 from a P2P network (but it can't be proven it was from one, now can it?) can have the book thrown at them. We all know how Oses handle files - does the cache count? How about if you burn it on a CD? In any case, you are "distorying evidence", and, IANAL, but I would think it counts as such even before they suspect you. In other words, most everyone on the internet can be punished identically to this defendant.
"I use windows, it's not my fault, blame gates!"
"I use Mac OS, don't blame me, it's somewhere in there... I just forgot where... and it seems the OS did, too."
"I use Linux, so it's in there, you are just not looking in the RIGHT/mp3 folder. Look in the other one,/mp3-56765555666543. Or/mp3-44356544454...."
How to make money as a domain name person (whatever they call them...)
1. Let them start cheap.
2. There is no 2 we know of.
3. Gouge them once they are set up and their domains worth something.
4. Profit!
You're sick. You must either have no children or be an absolutely horrible parent.
Really? There was a time when people DIED, willingly, to protect what you are so eager to give up. And why? Because it may help ONE PERSON. What do you REALLY want, your kid to be oppressed all his/her life, or run a 1/million risk of being in some way harmed (that doesn't magically go away anyway)? If being a logical person means being a "horrible parent", then I think the world needs more horrible parents. Babying at the cost of others only spawns weakness, and more people to exploit that weakness. And in the process, you lose all worth living for.
I can't speak for your kids, nether can you. But I can speak for myself, and I would rather die. Maybe to a coward your deal is good, but even at that, it should be the choice of the people being "protected", shouldn't it? Sometimes if you love something, you need to set it free. If you can't release, then you are the "horrible parent" who would have their kids living in the basement for their whole lives.
So, I need to like the idea of sending my pivate chat logs (and god knows what ELSE it sends) to the police, and hope they don't get a bug up their ass and come to my door? Sure, I am not going to jail over it, but I bet you I could lose my job over it. Your only point seems to be "they don't really care", and the fact they are going along with this shows that is indeed wrong.
Okkkaaaayyy.... You ever look at how many cheating programs there are, just for video games? You ever notice how, to spite how much time and money put into developing spyware to combat it, that it still exists in full? Why should I think that this is any different? All it takes is one hack and I can be soliciting sex from kids all over the world, with basically no proof otherwise, and "proof" for me being a pedo (fake ram snapshots).
When it becomes normal for parents to nag their children not to have sex w/o condoms
Then's who's fault is it? Guess? Anyone? The parents! Education needs to be given to the parents as well, and their's needs to focus on the psychological reasons kids do things.
Education is enough for people who have sense. Nothing, not even the PowerPoint presentations of the more-liberal-than-thou sex-ed teachers, is enough for those without sense.
Or those that no longer care. Hey, by christian standards, I am going to burn just for being logical. The same logic that makes me not want to have sex. But when you make people out to be evil for rightly doubting you, you are basically left with idiots. Ones you may have helped make. Not to you cannot be logical and christian, and not to say you or anyone else is not logical. It's just the outcome of making logic the bad thing.
Let me clarify things for you. I don't object (not too much, anyway) if certain poor souls want to engage in consensual and legal fornication. I don't even see why I should care about them using condoms, since that'll just add to an already existing wrong. People have the right to do legal yet stupid things, even when they are wrong in doing so.
And that is the reason you will never fix the problem. Telling people they are doing something evil regardless tends to make them care less about the finer points of your debate against their sexual activities. "Boy, you will go to hell anyway, but you may as well not be REALLY REALLY evil, because... um...." Yeah. That's you and your finer points.
What I object to is when these people make the mistake of getting pregnant without wanting to, and then guys like you start blaming it on religion.
If my above debate is right, responsibility no longer exists I guess. That's all I have to say.
Atheists could prevent the spread of knowledge just as much as theists, and many atheists do... mainly by their incessant finger-pointing.
Us? Point fingers? Who just pointed their finger? With how few Atheists there are, you can HARDLY blame us for the problems that existed long before Atheism was anything other then a "heathen, pegan cult". While I do agree we need to do more, you and your "Jesus loves you" is hardly fixing anything, and we (as stated) are hardly in a majority place to fix a whole hell of a lot, especially when fought by the masses (mostly christians for christian reasons) at every turn.
Sooo.... No one was hurt, yet you want blood? This type of "legal system" is what drove the middle ages, but we really haven't moved on much since then...
And how any lives destroyed? And how much police time wasted? How much freedom/privacy lost? I'd rather my kid die or be raped then grow up to live in a totalitarian country where everyone has a "report enemy of the people" button on all modes of communication. I respectivly submit you have your priorities upside-down.
And next let's add a "report unamerican" button that sends all known data to the FBI if the user pairs a bush emotion and animated solder shooting emotion!!!!! We can cut down on TERRORISM people, TERRORISM!!!!
That's the same idea being used in the "war on terror"; freedom causes problems, so lets distroy it! Closing the system "a tiny bit" can't be done. There is NO HALF WAY POINT. It's ether open, or it's not. And if it's not open, then it's in the same boat as Mac OS and Windows, and will die over night. A little loss of useablility (and there are a number of normal people who know their GFX cards - and if they don't, many distros that will auto set it if you have REASONABLE hardware. Ie, not made by Joenoname GFX Inc.) is worth the system still having what people use it for, you think?
Ummm... Yeah, sure... it has NOTHING to do with the fact they can't use them AND keep the system open in the way they want AND not get sued. Blame copyrights for it, or yourself for not taking the time to do the little bit of work needed to install the damn things right.
I don't know about anyone else, but I have had no problems with any Linux's graphics card drivers, except one, mainly because I didn't have any idea what it had. You would have to have ether a REALLY outdated/unknown computer OR not even be able to pick your gfx card from a list if you can't deal with drivers. Both cases, your problem.
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Then you won. Are you paying attention?
Why can't you accept that your kids will never be safe, and safety is the price we pay for freedom and privacy? People that give in to emotional appeals like this are the reason we have the patirot act, the DMCA and all other totalitarian laws.
*Installs as many "ok viruses" (the ones that only take up ram and email themselves to your contacts... hey I am doing them a service!) as I can find*
This could EASYLY mean anyone who has ever deleted an MP3 from a P2P network (but it can't be proven it was from one, now can it?) can have the book thrown at them. We all know how Oses handle files - does the cache count? How about if you burn it on a CD? In any case, you are "distorying evidence", and, IANAL, but I would think it counts as such even before they suspect you. In other words, most everyone on the internet can be punished identically to this defendant.
Frightening indeed.
Best excuses of all:
/mp3 folder. Look in the other one, /mp3-56765555666543. Or /mp3-44356544454...."
"I use windows, it's not my fault, blame gates!"
"I use Mac OS, don't blame me, it's somewhere in there... I just forgot where... and it seems the OS did, too."
"I use Linux, so it's in there, you are just not looking in the RIGHT
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Oh yeah... I guess I forgot to think of the children.
Or pluged the wrong power cord in (it really does the trick, too)... or had a power surge... or it fell out of a 30th floor window...
How to make money as a domain name person (whatever they call them...) 1. Let them start cheap. 2. There is no 2 we know of. 3. Gouge them once they are set up and their domains worth something. 4. Profit!
I can't speak for your kids, nether can you. But I can speak for myself, and I would rather die. Maybe to a coward your deal is good, but even at that, it should be the choice of the people being "protected", shouldn't it? Sometimes if you love something, you need to set it free. If you can't release, then you are the "horrible parent" who would have their kids living in the basement for their whole lives.
So, I need to like the idea of sending my pivate chat logs (and god knows what ELSE it sends) to the police, and hope they don't get a bug up their ass and come to my door? Sure, I am not going to jail over it, but I bet you I could lose my job over it. Your only point seems to be "they don't really care", and the fact they are going along with this shows that is indeed wrong.
Okkkaaaayyy.... You ever look at how many cheating programs there are, just for video games? You ever notice how, to spite how much time and money put into developing spyware to combat it, that it still exists in full? Why should I think that this is any different? All it takes is one hack and I can be soliciting sex from kids all over the world, with basically no proof otherwise, and "proof" for me being a pedo (fake ram snapshots).
Or those that no longer care. Hey, by christian standards, I am going to burn just for being logical. The same logic that makes me not want to have sex. But when you make people out to be evil for rightly doubting you, you are basically left with idiots. Ones you may have helped make. Not to you cannot be logical and christian, and not to say you or anyone else is not logical. It's just the outcome of making logic the bad thing.
And that is the reason you will never fix the problem . Telling people they are doing something evil regardless tends to make them care less about the finer points of your debate against their sexual activities. "Boy, you will go to hell anyway, but you may as well not be REALLY REALLY evil, because... um...." Yeah. That's you and your finer points.
If my above debate is right, responsibility no longer exists I guess. That's all I have to say.
Us? Point fingers? Who just pointed their finger? With how few Atheists there are, you can HARDLY blame us for the problems that existed long before Atheism was anything other then a "heathen, pegan cult". While I do agree we need to do more, you and your "Jesus loves you" is hardly fixing anything, and we (as stated) are hardly in a majority place to fix a whole hell of a lot, especially when fought by the masses (mostly christians for christian reasons) at every turn.
Sooo.... No one was hurt, yet you want blood? This type of "legal system" is what drove the middle ages, but we really haven't moved on much since then...
And how any lives destroyed? And how much police time wasted? How much freedom/privacy lost? I'd rather my kid die or be raped then grow up to live in a totalitarian country where everyone has a "report enemy of the people" button on all modes of communication. I respectivly submit you have your priorities upside-down.
Editing ram is too easy for that logic to work.
And next let's add a "report unamerican" button that sends all known data to the FBI if the user pairs a bush emotion and animated solder shooting emotion!!!!! We can cut down on TERRORISM people, TERRORISM!!!!
Then they will just force users to install spyware on their computers to make sure everything is "A-OK DUDE!". Hardly far off.
I guess your right, the interent exists because of Al Gore and all.... without him there would be no internet monopoly!!!1111!11
I love to see capitalist systems implode, so I couldn't be more happy this happened... it being apple is just an added bonus.
Stuck-up, constipated neo-con vs. depressed 13 year old girl. I'll take #2 for the money.
That's the same idea being used in the "war on terror"; freedom causes problems, so lets distroy it! Closing the system "a tiny bit" can't be done. There is NO HALF WAY POINT. It's ether open, or it's not. And if it's not open, then it's in the same boat as Mac OS and Windows, and will die over night. A little loss of useablility (and there are a number of normal people who know their GFX cards - and if they don't, many distros that will auto set it if you have REASONABLE hardware. Ie, not made by Joenoname GFX Inc.) is worth the system still having what people use it for, you think?
Ummm... Yeah, sure... it has NOTHING to do with the fact they can't use them AND keep the system open in the way they want AND not get sued. Blame copyrights for it, or yourself for not taking the time to do the little bit of work needed to install the damn things right.
I don't know about anyone else, but I have had no problems with any Linux's graphics card drivers, except one, mainly because I didn't have any idea what it had. You would have to have ether a REALLY outdated/unknown computer OR not even be able to pick your gfx card from a list if you can't deal with drivers. Both cases, your problem.
They would be closer then Microsoft...