We don't produce any of those things; we produce the plans for such things. Physical manufacture is largely done elsewhere. Thus we are slaves to increasingly stifling IP legislation because our economy depends on such ethereal production.
I was being flippant originally, but underneath that is a point: we are slowly moving from primarily adding value to the world economy to primarily rent seeking.
We have stopped making things, and now increased automation is rendering the service industry pointless. To be honest, like most of the public, I would rather deal with a machine than another human being, if only because that other human being is inevitably some slack-jawed sack of cynicism and self-loathing who hates their job and thus a large percentage of their existence.
The economy of western Europe, therefore, is developing into one based entirely on producing reality TV shows and suing people for sharing them on the Internet. Hooray.
You are implying that right-wing people love to have people killed for no good reason. I think most sane people, no matter what their political views are, would deplore this.
Wrong, arsehole - I was pointing out that his immigration status (more grey than illegal by the way) could not be used as any kind of justification for the police action, so in mentioning you are being racist.
Neither of you was likely at the scene, so I doubt either of you REALLY knows what happened, all that we can infer on is what the media tells us about it and what's in the docket for the legal proceedings on said incident. All easily controlled by the government to either extreme.
Bullshit. The security cameras didn't show him running, and when this came out the Police retracted their lying version of events. This 'no one can know for sure' crap is just passive aggressive.
So I'm guessing you are aware of his frame of mind and thought process, due to some sort of advanced alien technology that was given to you during the night by Darth Vader, right?
Well he didn't run because of the presence of the police BECAUSE HE WASNT RUNNING and he didn't know about them BECAUSE THEY WERE PLAIN CLOTHES. This isn't a supernatural power, it is called LOGIC (although I can see how it might appear to be magic to a knuckle dragging, xenophobic apologist for police brutality such as yourself).
I can call people racist scum if I like. That is my opinion of people who bring up his immigration status in this debate. You people DO make me ashamed of Britain. Fuck off and die.
I loathe 'polite' discourse about such subjects. A man was killed - it is a situation where it is entirely appropriate to become angry. Not getting angry about such an event is a worrying indicator of your psychological state.
It isn't. When the guy was shot he was restrained on the ground and the shooters were standing over him. Fuck, I haven't picked up a gun in years and I bet I can shoot better than that.
No individual violation of civil liberties represents, in itself, fascism. They are bricks that together build up the walls of a police state. Complain when you see the bricklayer turn up, not when you are already trapped.
And you do have a right to fair punishment. Copyright laws are deliberately, maliciously and excessively punitive.
I inferred these things from his post. Also if you think that it is 'knee-jerk' to be outraged by something, you are a gray and dreary person.
Being passionately opposed to murder by the state, and calling out the apologists of it, is not hysterical. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance, something wankers like you ought to remember rather than insulting anybody who actually believes in something.
Get over it? A man was murdered you sick motherfucker. Stop sucking police cock and reading the daily mail, and be a fucking human being.
I'd rather be a 'lefty veggie tree hugger' - none of which are bad things by the way - than a cunt like you apologising for the brutality of the state and its trigger happy representatives.
Every time I come on Slashdot it is my country that is guilty of the latest casual trampling of civil rights. Can anyone recommend a country that isn't blithely gamboling towards outright fascism?
Bullshit. The guys who shot Jean-Charles de Menezes were ultimately only convicted of a health and safety violation. As Mark Steel dryly commented, shooting someone in the head 7 times is both unhealthy and unsafe.
OK then you racist, authoritarian tosser, let me tear apart your idiotic rambling
1. His overstaying his visa has nothing to do with it. The punishment for that is not summary execution, outside your right-wing fantasies.
2. He was never given a warning to stop, you are simply lying. If you think otherwise, provide a credible claim for this source of stop pissing on the poor mans grave.
3. The idea that he ran in response to the presence of the police is absurd because the police who were tailing him were in plain clothes. He had no idea what was going on until they entered the carriage and murdered him. I challenge you to prove otherwise.
4. Shut the fuck up you BNP loving organ of the police state, and have some respect for an innocent victim of extreme police brutality.
A working class stereotype, roughly equivalent to 'white trash' in the US I think.
The stereotype involves a person wearing sportswear, cheap jewelry, burberry caps, and being unemployed. They are supposed to spend their days drinking and doing drugs, and supplement their government benefits by committing petty crime.
Obviously, this view makes them a target for the police. Equally obviously, the reality of the British working class is much more complex and not so totally scummy.
Many people I have met whose dress and manner of speaking have been the nicest, most honourable people I have ever met. On the other hand the only person I have met who went to Eton complained to me that the kids their kept stealing lightbulbs from each others rooms...
Furthermore, some have suggested that the ridiculously gung-ho attitude displayed by the police on that day may in part be a result of having received counter-terrorism training from the Israelis, hardly renowned for respecting the civil rights of those they consider enemies of the state.
Of course, that hardly exonerates the officers in question, any more than 'we were obeying orders' exonerated Nazis.
How is this a troll? I am only 27 but can see its a correct observation. The police are becoming less and less public servants and more and more preening bullies.
They have been lobbying in favour of every bit of authoritarian legislation that has come out of this excuse for a government.
And anyone who thinks a lurch to the right will help cannot, either through youth or stupidity, not recall the last Conservative government. They have a 'respect' agenda even stronger than Labour which basically gives the police more powers to impose themselves on innocent citizens.
The UK police are a serious threat to liberty, and I say this as someone who used to work for them.
They are monumentally petty, generally taking the view that who they arrest should be based on who they don't like the look of rather than who has done something wrong, and then sort out the crime they are to be charged with later.
A common method is to approach people whose appearance suggests poverty (normally written down as "looking suspicious), and intimidating them until they do something that could be construed as resisting arrest or assaulting the officer, then haul them away and throw them in a cell.
They then whinge about having to do loads of 'paperwork' which basically translates to 'its difficult to pin crimes on everybody we haul in'. Having been on the paperwork end of policing I can safely say that if someone has be caught for a specific crime (rather than hauled in for wearing a tracksuit and leaned on) then it isn't hard to get them convicted.
The majority of policing in the city I worked in (where I saw every file that went through the local magistrates court, albeit briefly in most cases) consisted of protecting the property of city businesses, banging up drunks, and bullying chavs.
Don't put your faith in tories, behind each one of those old school ties beats the black heart of a fascist. They are only opposing this legislation whilst in opposition as a mercenary attempt to gain votes.
A centrist party would be left of all the major parties in Britain now, since politics went Thatcherite. This is why there is such a low turnout.
Every party is now about hammering the working class to give the rich a tax break. Every party is now about punishing single parent families for being single parent families. Every party wants the rest of the country to bend over and take it up the arse just to keep the City sweet.
Less than 30,000 people voted for Tony Blair. Other people voted for other Labour MPs, and most of them did that because they are old enough to remember the last time the Conservatives were in power and it makes them shudder.
The Lib Dems are a joke, and always have been. They and their predecessor party have not so much as sniffed power in 80 years.
Orion hasn't flown, whereas ATV has - and in combination with the launch vehicle it would use to boot.
The docking port is a problem though, you are right. However it might be easier to bypass that than to develop Orion, and it might be easier to convince the Russians to let us use Zvezda than to let us have Soyuz launches.
Also, I think rebuffing the Chinese was dumb. They've plans for their own station (which would presumably have become an ISS module like the European space station did) and a craft that can reach it.
Converting the ATV to a manned vehicle seems to be the quickest way of restoring access to the ISS if the Russians don't want to let us go there. Its got a proven launch vehicle, and the cargo version has already flown. Just need to develop a heat shield really.
The reason we see so many hot Jupiters is because, having large masses and being close to their parents, they are by far the easiest planets to detect.
We won't be able to draw any real conclusions about other solar systems for quite some time yet.
Perhaps thats the case in magical pixie land, but here in the real world people care about getting the news first rather than about getting it right, and more about style than integrity. Roughly speaking, the general public approaches journalism the same way a sugar-starved 4 year old approaches nutrition.
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We don't produce any of those things; we produce the plans for such things. Physical manufacture is largely done elsewhere. Thus we are slaves to increasingly stifling IP legislation because our economy depends on such ethereal production.
I was being flippant originally, but underneath that is a point: we are slowly moving from primarily adding value to the world economy to primarily rent seeking.
We have stopped making things, and now increased automation is rendering the service industry pointless. To be honest, like most of the public, I would rather deal with a machine than another human being, if only because that other human being is inevitably some slack-jawed sack of cynicism and self-loathing who hates their job and thus a large percentage of their existence.
The economy of western Europe, therefore, is developing into one based entirely on producing reality TV shows and suing people for sharing them on the Internet. Hooray.
You are implying that right-wing people love to have people killed for no good reason. I think most sane people, no matter what their political views are, would deplore this.
Wrong, arsehole - I was pointing out that his immigration status (more grey than illegal by the way) could not be used as any kind of justification for the police action, so in mentioning you are being racist.
Neither of you was likely at the scene, so I doubt either of you REALLY knows what happened, all that we can infer on is what the media tells us about it and what's in the docket for the legal proceedings on said incident. All easily controlled by the government to either extreme.
Bullshit. The security cameras didn't show him running, and when this came out the Police retracted their lying version of events. This 'no one can know for sure' crap is just passive aggressive.
So I'm guessing you are aware of his frame of mind and thought process, due to some sort of advanced alien technology that was given to you during the night by Darth Vader, right?
Well he didn't run because of the presence of the police BECAUSE HE WASNT RUNNING and he didn't know about them BECAUSE THEY WERE PLAIN CLOTHES. This isn't a supernatural power, it is called LOGIC (although I can see how it might appear to be magic to a knuckle dragging, xenophobic apologist for police brutality such as yourself).
I can call people racist scum if I like. That is my opinion of people who bring up his immigration status in this debate. You people DO make me ashamed of Britain. Fuck off and die.
I'm impressed at how you can infer someones benefit status by walking past them on the street. The DSS should probably employ you.
I loathe 'polite' discourse about such subjects. A man was killed - it is a situation where it is entirely appropriate to become angry. Not getting angry about such an event is a worrying indicator of your psychological state.
It isn't. When the guy was shot he was restrained on the ground and the shooters were standing over him. Fuck, I haven't picked up a gun in years and I bet I can shoot better than that.
No individual violation of civil liberties represents, in itself, fascism. They are bricks that together build up the walls of a police state. Complain when you see the bricklayer turn up, not when you are already trapped.
And you do have a right to fair punishment. Copyright laws are deliberately, maliciously and excessively punitive.
I inferred these things from his post. Also if you think that it is 'knee-jerk' to be outraged by something, you are a gray and dreary person.
Being passionately opposed to murder by the state, and calling out the apologists of it, is not hysterical. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance, something wankers like you ought to remember rather than insulting anybody who actually believes in something.
Get over it? A man was murdered you sick motherfucker. Stop sucking police cock and reading the daily mail, and be a fucking human being.
I'd rather be a 'lefty veggie tree hugger' - none of which are bad things by the way - than a cunt like you apologising for the brutality of the state and its trigger happy representatives.
Every time I come on Slashdot it is my country that is guilty of the latest casual trampling of civil rights. Can anyone recommend a country that isn't blithely gamboling towards outright fascism?
Bullshit. The guys who shot Jean-Charles de Menezes were ultimately only convicted of a health and safety violation. As Mark Steel dryly commented, shooting someone in the head 7 times is both unhealthy and unsafe.
OK then you racist, authoritarian tosser, let me tear apart your idiotic rambling
1. His overstaying his visa has nothing to do with it. The punishment for that is not summary execution, outside your right-wing fantasies.
2. He was never given a warning to stop, you are simply lying. If you think otherwise, provide a credible claim for this source of stop pissing on the poor mans grave.
3. The idea that he ran in response to the presence of the police is absurd because the police who were tailing him were in plain clothes. He had no idea what was going on until they entered the carriage and murdered him. I challenge you to prove otherwise.
4. Shut the fuck up you BNP loving organ of the police state, and have some respect for an innocent victim of extreme police brutality.
Scum like you make me ashamed of Britian.
A working class stereotype, roughly equivalent to 'white trash' in the US I think.
The stereotype involves a person wearing sportswear, cheap jewelry, burberry caps, and being unemployed. They are supposed to spend their days drinking and doing drugs, and supplement their government benefits by committing petty crime.
Obviously, this view makes them a target for the police. Equally obviously, the reality of the British working class is much more complex and not so totally scummy.
Many people I have met whose dress and manner of speaking have been the nicest, most honourable people I have ever met. On the other hand the only person I have met who went to Eton complained to me that the kids their kept stealing lightbulbs from each others rooms...
Furthermore, some have suggested that the ridiculously gung-ho attitude displayed by the police on that day may in part be a result of having received counter-terrorism training from the Israelis, hardly renowned for respecting the civil rights of those they consider enemies of the state.
Of course, that hardly exonerates the officers in question, any more than 'we were obeying orders' exonerated Nazis.
How is this a troll? I am only 27 but can see its a correct observation. The police are becoming less and less public servants and more and more preening bullies.
They have been lobbying in favour of every bit of authoritarian legislation that has come out of this excuse for a government.
And anyone who thinks a lurch to the right will help cannot, either through youth or stupidity, not recall the last Conservative government. They have a 'respect' agenda even stronger than Labour which basically gives the police more powers to impose themselves on innocent citizens.
Since when did our police not have guns? The unarmed bobby on a bicycle toting a whistle is very much a thing of the past.
As one unfortunate Brazillian man found out, our police have guns and they are all too happy to use them.
The UK police are a serious threat to liberty, and I say this as someone who used to work for them.
They are monumentally petty, generally taking the view that who they arrest should be based on who they don't like the look of rather than who has done something wrong, and then sort out the crime they are to be charged with later.
A common method is to approach people whose appearance suggests poverty (normally written down as "looking suspicious), and intimidating them until they do something that could be construed as resisting arrest or assaulting the officer, then haul them away and throw them in a cell.
They then whinge about having to do loads of 'paperwork' which basically translates to 'its difficult to pin crimes on everybody we haul in'. Having been on the paperwork end of policing I can safely say that if someone has be caught for a specific crime (rather than hauled in for wearing a tracksuit and leaned on) then it isn't hard to get them convicted.
The majority of policing in the city I worked in (where I saw every file that went through the local magistrates court, albeit briefly in most cases) consisted of protecting the property of city businesses, banging up drunks, and bullying chavs.
Whoever modded this 'troll' should understand the difference between a troll and someone who disagrees with them.
Don't put your faith in tories, behind each one of those old school ties beats the black heart of a fascist. They are only opposing this legislation whilst in opposition as a mercenary attempt to gain votes.
A centrist party would be left of all the major parties in Britain now, since politics went Thatcherite. This is why there is such a low turnout.
Every party is now about hammering the working class to give the rich a tax break. Every party is now about punishing single parent families for being single parent families. Every party wants the rest of the country to bend over and take it up the arse just to keep the City sweet.
That is why people do not vote.
Less than 30,000 people voted for Tony Blair. Other people voted for other Labour MPs, and most of them did that because they are old enough to remember the last time the Conservatives were in power and it makes them shudder.
The Lib Dems are a joke, and always have been. They and their predecessor party have not so much as sniffed power in 80 years.
Orion hasn't flown, whereas ATV has - and in combination with the launch vehicle it would use to boot.
The docking port is a problem though, you are right. However it might be easier to bypass that than to develop Orion, and it might be easier to convince the Russians to let us use Zvezda than to let us have Soyuz launches.
Also, I think rebuffing the Chinese was dumb. They've plans for their own station (which would presumably have become an ISS module like the European space station did) and a craft that can reach it.
Converting the ATV to a manned vehicle seems to be the quickest way of restoring access to the ISS if the Russians don't want to let us go there. Its got a proven launch vehicle, and the cargo version has already flown. Just need to develop a heat shield really.
The reason we see so many hot Jupiters is because, having large masses and being close to their parents, they are by far the easiest planets to detect.
We won't be able to draw any real conclusions about other solar systems for quite some time yet.
Perhaps thats the case in magical pixie land, but here in the real world people care about getting the news first rather than about getting it right, and more about style than integrity. Roughly speaking, the general public approaches journalism the same way a sugar-starved 4 year old approaches nutrition.