"fiber line to nowhere."
That sounds like a great album title, but honestly i just ordered TW for installation Saturday, i download a lot of huge so this probably wont fly for long, i mean whats the point of having a 17mbps line if i can only download 5gb with it, even crappy Verizon FiOS has a more reasonable limit to it(250GB). Then again most people on the net dont use more than 5GB a month, but why does it matter that 5% of customers use 50% of the network when the other 95% probably use 10% of the network.
Google and Microsoft don't exactly share the same main market do they? I know they make money in similar ways but do they share the primary product they both have? Google seems to take things back to the basics of computing, when it was function over form, Microsoft seems to have forgotten this and it seems like their market analysts stare at apple all day and stick a bunch of pretty GUI stuff on their operating systems. Google's don't be evil attitude is going to win over Microsoft's sue everyone all the time idiocy. Microsoft is indeed its own biggest threat, many times over the years have their employees and other people who have studied the company agreed, the company doesn't have any organization anymore, too many people doing this and that and no one is working on fixing the problems with the existing products. Sometimes i wonder if Microsoft is like one of those company that employs entire buildings of people that have a project changed every 2 months so most of the building just comes in every day to be there and then leaves at night and gets a paycheck for it(I want to work there). But Its true that Microsoft will soon die and then shortly(relative) after Google will also die...And then the machines rise to take over with me leading them to victory! Or another company takes over and then its "Is Google's biggest threat closed-open source software?" or whatever it is then that 90% of the geeky people side with.
"My real question is: what can I do with this that I cannot do with a $250 used thinkpad, a can of air, and a new battery? Thinkpad is cheaper, has a better everything, and I can actually type on it without shrinking my hands. I guess this eee is a lot smaller and doesn't smell like cabbage yet."
I was unaware you could get a used thinkpad for 250 USD with built in wifi, 3 USB 2.0 ports, a battery that lasts 3 hours, and DDR2 memory in a case thats fanless.
Its all about application...I just got mine last week, im using it at work in place of my NEC MobilePro 900c, i dont need a full size laptop, i needed a simple system that runs applications i need...It does pretty much everything your thinkpad does only the memory is quicker and its a whole lot smaller...
Who cares? honestly whats the benefit of an all in one system over a desktop, and I'm sure most of us could build a comparable tower for less than those prices, whats the point in buying one besides desk space? I have no interest in a system i cant take apart and change.
Heating requirements vary from species to species, my personal favorites are the agamidae family and most of them prefer a basking bulb, not saying to you but ceramic heating units(heat rocks) are bad, because of poor design they can severely burn reptiles, although it only happened to one of my heat rocks its a risk i dont like to take, heat mats are great, for species which require belly heat such as leopard geckos being nocturnal, but diurnal species like to bask by instinct and its better for their stress levels to feed their instinct. You have to meet the needs of each reptile and sometimes they just need a heat bulb.
Yeah but i keep several reptiles and i dont use special reptile heat bulbs because frankly a lot of them dont work, most of the bulbs i use are regular bulbs with simple modifications(such as temperature tolerant black paint on them or simple red party bulbs for the nocturnal reptiles who dont see red light). What happens when the pet companies who already overprice those heat bulbs are the only people on the market with the solution, converting normal bulbs is more effective for both cost and usage and i dont want to pay 20$ for a light bulb when i can go modify a bulb for a quarter of the price. Not everyone who keeps reptiles is uninformed about the best care for reptiles and the people who take the time to do the research and make the modifications and equipment to take really good care of their reptiles are going to lose out on both fronts. Reptile Humidifiers are anywhere from 20-60 USD and you can make more efficient safer designs for under 10 USD with stuff you can get at wal-mart and the dollar store(Fish tank air pump with included tubes, plastic food container, hot glue). There are similar things you can do with regular incandescent light bulbs, everything tends to lose when such devices become unavailable.
With the higher end desktop environments like Gnome and KDE whats wrong with XFCE, i started using it when i put Xubuntu on a server i was working with about a year ago so i could play with it and code somewhere comfortable... It works, it did all i needed it to do and then some... Sure it doesn't have radial menus and the ability to mow my lawn, but it allows me to launch applications and start things when i boot...it has a clock and multiple desktops and even a few nifty configuration tools, i know it was meant as a joke but if you think XFCE4 lacks functionality you expect too much out of something thats mission was to be a lightweight desktop environment for various *NIX systems. Designed for productivity, it loads and executes applications fast, while conserving system resources. It does exactly what its meant to and nothing more.
I used KDE for a number of years simply for all the, what has been referred to as, Clutter. Once i got past the whole omg it does so much i realized it was eating resources I could be using for other things. If KDE4 is using less resources then yeah its going to be nicer and easier to use on older and less powerful systems but its not like you can use the fact its a resource hog against it, you just have to take a step back and look at what they were trying to do with the system when they designed it.
I think too many people generalize programs for Linux, when every program that has a category was designed to have a purpose beyond that, (IE Lightweight, cutting edge, integrated), and people just go OH IT DOESN'T HAVE LASER BEAMS AND EXPLOSIVE BUTTONS SO IT MUST SUCK.
So good for KDE4 making what it does well already less resource hungry allowing it to be used on systems it normally wouldn't be practical on.
The better solution for what...installing on a router? installing on a robotic arm? installing on a webserver? installing on the sparc architecture? installing on an old mac like the one at my feet?...In some way i fail to see Windows as this ultimate solution you speak of...
However it is overused by most of the Linux users i know...especially the ones that want to play games but cant because they have to run Linux for some unknown reason. When and if i need Linux i have several Linux machines waiting to boot, but if Windows serves my needs and Linux cant serve all of them, im going to use both.
Yeah totally forgot the whole lack of support kernel version to kernel version. I can see that as potential for taking that sort of market niche, though im not a linux developer primarily im sure most people dont want to recode every time there is a new kernel version:P Doesnt BSD have a backwards compatible system or am i just thinking of the linux compatibility layer.
I do think OpenSolaris would be better for a server especially over Gentoo, doesnt have the speed of deployment time and in the case of some sort of disaster recovery you better have a full system backup or else your going to have to wait to get the system back up, which usually a big company does but when it comes to small servers and such like ive dealt with over the years we usually just backup the information and rarely the system. Thats why Gentoo has been something i avoid.
I also checked the post today, being day 10, and no Solaris 10 yet:P
Hmm, well i ordered one of those Solaris 10 CDs that was posted on here last week, the email said in approx 10 days i would receive the cd, i assume that means business days of which that would be tomorrow as day 10, so tomorrow ill see how punctual they and/or the post is.
Though i don't see why so many people rely on the free CDs that certain companies offer to obtain their easily downloadable operating systems. I actually couldn't wait to explore the world of Solaris and downloaded Nexenta being an apt junky and all, i was impressed although it lacks wide arrays of packages. The system installed fine albeit a little slow. However everyone i know starting with Linux has been ordering Fedora CDs and Ubuntu CDs instead of just burning them themselves.
"And that my friend, is the niche Opensolaris will quickly start filling."
I assume your refering to the first posts complaint about support since you neglected to go into detail about which niche we were talking about. I am setting up a shared system for my household since it has multiple geeks within and im hoping to do it with Solaris. While briefly glancing over the OpenSolaris website i saw it had a central distribution and then several other distributions, i see that as potentially covering the issue of support that a distro which can die has. By having a central distribution of packages and also options for distro of choice the system would seem to support from the inside out(Heres a complete OS) instead of the Linux method of supporting from the outside in(You can only have Linux if you have Linux+Debian Linux+Gentoo) excluding of course those daft enough to attempt LFS which then causes you to support every package you have all by yourself. Each has its own flaws and benefits, But as far as a desire for support goes i would have to say thats the way to go.
If im off please feel free to elaborate on what you said
Chances are there will always be both...the only one that can die is interpretters...
Heres some reason why:
-You cant write an operating system in an interpretted language...
-There are some things you can only do in a native language, and interpretted language have the easy portability thing going on for them...
-Interpretters have been around for a long time and they arnt going to go away any time soon
You cant think native code is going to be dead just because someone makes a popular interpretter...there are just some things an interpretter cant do...
Besides, ASM is so awesome who would ever want it to go away...:P
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That or your head is just that dense...i mean clearly you smashed things into your head...its probably pretty tough...
"fiber line to nowhere." That sounds like a great album title, but honestly i just ordered TW for installation Saturday, i download a lot of huge so this probably wont fly for long, i mean whats the point of having a 17mbps line if i can only download 5gb with it, even crappy Verizon FiOS has a more reasonable limit to it(250GB). Then again most people on the net dont use more than 5GB a month, but why does it matter that 5% of customers use 50% of the network when the other 95% probably use 10% of the network.
Google and Microsoft don't exactly share the same main market do they? I know they make money in similar ways but do they share the primary product they both have? Google seems to take things back to the basics of computing, when it was function over form, Microsoft seems to have forgotten this and it seems like their market analysts stare at apple all day and stick a bunch of pretty GUI stuff on their operating systems. Google's don't be evil attitude is going to win over Microsoft's sue everyone all the time idiocy. Microsoft is indeed its own biggest threat, many times over the years have their employees and other people who have studied the company agreed, the company doesn't have any organization anymore, too many people doing this and that and no one is working on fixing the problems with the existing products. Sometimes i wonder if Microsoft is like one of those company that employs entire buildings of people that have a project changed every 2 months so most of the building just comes in every day to be there and then leaves at night and gets a paycheck for it(I want to work there). But Its true that Microsoft will soon die and then shortly(relative) after Google will also die...And then the machines rise to take over with me leading them to victory! Or another company takes over and then its "Is Google's biggest threat closed-open source software?" or whatever it is then that 90% of the geeky people side with.
"My real question is: what can I do with this that I cannot do with a $250 used thinkpad, a can of air, and a new battery? Thinkpad is cheaper, has a better everything, and I can actually type on it without shrinking my hands. I guess this eee is a lot smaller and doesn't smell like cabbage yet." I was unaware you could get a used thinkpad for 250 USD with built in wifi, 3 USB 2.0 ports, a battery that lasts 3 hours, and DDR2 memory in a case thats fanless. Its all about application...I just got mine last week, im using it at work in place of my NEC MobilePro 900c, i dont need a full size laptop, i needed a simple system that runs applications i need...It does pretty much everything your thinkpad does only the memory is quicker and its a whole lot smaller...
Who cares? honestly whats the benefit of an all in one system over a desktop, and I'm sure most of us could build a comparable tower for less than those prices, whats the point in buying one besides desk space? I have no interest in a system i cant take apart and change.
Heating requirements vary from species to species, my personal favorites are the agamidae family and most of them prefer a basking bulb, not saying to you but ceramic heating units(heat rocks) are bad, because of poor design they can severely burn reptiles, although it only happened to one of my heat rocks its a risk i dont like to take, heat mats are great, for species which require belly heat such as leopard geckos being nocturnal, but diurnal species like to bask by instinct and its better for their stress levels to feed their instinct. You have to meet the needs of each reptile and sometimes they just need a heat bulb.
Yeah but i keep several reptiles and i dont use special reptile heat bulbs because frankly a lot of them dont work, most of the bulbs i use are regular bulbs with simple modifications(such as temperature tolerant black paint on them or simple red party bulbs for the nocturnal reptiles who dont see red light). What happens when the pet companies who already overprice those heat bulbs are the only people on the market with the solution, converting normal bulbs is more effective for both cost and usage and i dont want to pay 20$ for a light bulb when i can go modify a bulb for a quarter of the price. Not everyone who keeps reptiles is uninformed about the best care for reptiles and the people who take the time to do the research and make the modifications and equipment to take really good care of their reptiles are going to lose out on both fronts. Reptile Humidifiers are anywhere from 20-60 USD and you can make more efficient safer designs for under 10 USD with stuff you can get at wal-mart and the dollar store(Fish tank air pump with included tubes, plastic food container, hot glue). There are similar things you can do with regular incandescent light bulbs, everything tends to lose when such devices become unavailable.
With the higher end desktop environments like Gnome and KDE whats wrong with XFCE, i started using it when i put Xubuntu on a server i was working with about a year ago so i could play with it and code somewhere comfortable... It works, it did all i needed it to do and then some... Sure it doesn't have radial menus and the ability to mow my lawn, but it allows me to launch applications and start things when i boot...it has a clock and multiple desktops and even a few nifty configuration tools, i know it was meant as a joke but if you think XFCE4 lacks functionality you expect too much out of something thats mission was to be a lightweight desktop environment for various *NIX systems. Designed for productivity, it loads and executes applications fast, while conserving system resources. It does exactly what its meant to and nothing more.
I used KDE for a number of years simply for all the, what has been referred to as, Clutter. Once i got past the whole omg it does so much i realized it was eating resources I could be using for other things. If KDE4 is using less resources then yeah its going to be nicer and easier to use on older and less powerful systems but its not like you can use the fact its a resource hog against it, you just have to take a step back and look at what they were trying to do with the system when they designed it.
I think too many people generalize programs for Linux, when every program that has a category was designed to have a purpose beyond that, (IE Lightweight, cutting edge, integrated), and people just go OH IT DOESN'T HAVE LASER BEAMS AND EXPLOSIVE BUTTONS SO IT MUST SUCK.
So good for KDE4 making what it does well already less resource hungry allowing it to be used on systems it normally wouldn't be practical on.
"Windows IS the better solution."
The better solution for what...installing on a router? installing on a robotic arm? installing on a webserver? installing on the sparc architecture? installing on an old mac like the one at my feet?...In some way i fail to see Windows as this ultimate solution you speak of...
However it is overused by most of the Linux users i know...especially the ones that want to play games but cant because they have to run Linux for some unknown reason. When and if i need Linux i have several Linux machines waiting to boot, but if Windows serves my needs and Linux cant serve all of them, im going to use both.
Yeah totally forgot the whole lack of support kernel version to kernel version. I can see that as potential for taking that sort of market niche, though im not a linux developer primarily im sure most people dont want to recode every time there is a new kernel version :P Doesnt BSD have a backwards compatible system or am i just thinking of the linux compatibility layer.
:P
I do think OpenSolaris would be better for a server especially over Gentoo, doesnt have the speed of deployment time and in the case of some sort of disaster recovery you better have a full system backup or else your going to have to wait to get the system back up, which usually a big company does but when it comes to small servers and such like ive dealt with over the years we usually just backup the information and rarely the system. Thats why Gentoo has been something i avoid.
I also checked the post today, being day 10, and no Solaris 10 yet
Tyrain
Hmm, well i ordered one of those Solaris 10 CDs that was posted on here last week, the email said in approx 10 days i would receive the cd, i assume that means business days of which that would be tomorrow as day 10, so tomorrow ill see how punctual they and/or the post is.
Though i don't see why so many people rely on the free CDs that certain companies offer to obtain their easily downloadable operating systems. I actually couldn't wait to explore the world of Solaris and downloaded Nexenta being an apt junky and all, i was impressed although it lacks wide arrays of packages. The system installed fine albeit a little slow. However everyone i know starting with Linux has been ordering Fedora CDs and Ubuntu CDs instead of just burning them themselves.
"And that my friend, is the niche Opensolaris will quickly start filling."
I assume your refering to the first posts complaint about support since you neglected to go into detail about which niche we were talking about. I am setting up a shared system for my household since it has multiple geeks within and im hoping to do it with Solaris. While briefly glancing over the OpenSolaris website i saw it had a central distribution and then several other distributions, i see that as potentially covering the issue of support that a distro which can die has. By having a central distribution of packages and also options for distro of choice the system would seem to support from the inside out(Heres a complete OS) instead of the Linux method of supporting from the outside in(You can only have Linux if you have Linux+Debian Linux+Gentoo) excluding of course those daft enough to attempt LFS which then causes you to support every package you have all by yourself. Each has its own flaws and benefits, But as far as a desire for support goes i would have to say thats the way to go.
If im off please feel free to elaborate on what you said
Tyrain
Whatever do you mean? Linux is perfect with no flaws what-so-ever.
Chances are there will always be both...the only one that can die is interpretters... Heres some reason why: -You cant write an operating system in an interpretted language... -There are some things you can only do in a native language, and interpretted language have the easy portability thing going on for them... -Interpretters have been around for a long time and they arnt going to go away any time soon You cant think native code is going to be dead just because someone makes a popular interpretter...there are just some things an interpretter cant do... Besides, ASM is so awesome who would ever want it to go away...:P