what do you mean jack up the prices? ever look at the reciept from Walgreens and see "insurance saved you $600", on a generic? Medicine is in more need of reform than anything.
They aren't in retreat. They are reducing product lines in North America because they sell more of 2 models than all their others. I'd like to think we'll be getting some amazing F150s and Mustangs from that saved money, but they will probably just use most of it to expand in other markets.
What I want to see is the gap between Empire and Jedi where Luke becomes a full Jedi. He's a whining, one handed Jedi wanna be at the end of Empire. At the start of Jedi, he's a bad ass in black pants. What exactly happened? How long did it take? Did he have to complete "the trials"? What the hell are those anyway?
Yes, I'm sure this is explored in the countless books and comics, but I think it deserves a movie.
so people who placed pre-orders are just holding it wrong? the level of rationalization and hand waving among Tesla fans is on the same level as Apple. It's almost like with the death of Steve, they've all switched to the cult of Elon.
Except that general users were being told that downloading and installing apps was a surefire way to get a virus. Something that just ran in the browser was seen as safe (for a while anyway).
Give me a break... I'm not shitting on anything. I'm just pointing out that Teslas accomplishments are nowhere near as game changing as their fanboys would have us believe. Having a huge backlog and bleeding investor dollars is not shitting, they are facts. You seem to think they are irrelevant for some reason. Tesla or not, the industry was headed hybrid and later electric. Tesla may have sped things up a bit, but that was probably based on their over the top predictions for Model 3 deliveries. As far as the power market goes, do you live in Silicon Valley or San Francisco? Maybe powerwalls are ubiquitous there, but the rest of the country still lives in the real world.
Anyway, why this focus on "home market"? The auto industry is global these days. Tesla delivered ~103,000 cars globally in 2017, Porsche delivered ~246,000. That makes both of them niche products in an industry where the top 5 each sell over 1 million cars per QUARTER.
Call me when he gets his backlog of car orders filled. Call me again when Tesla stops bleeding money. Call me yet again when Tesla becomes more than a boutique/niche car manufacturer. If they can't hit at least Porsche yearly sales levels, they will never be considered anything else.
Is he a smart guy? Sure. The problems with Tesla take nothing away from the awesomness of SpaceX. Smart people make mistakes though. Tesla, like Apple, tries so hard to be "different" that it sometimes backfires.
This is why I NEVER select the "save my card for faster purchases" option. Well, except for Amazon, but that's the only exception. It takes me all of 20 to 30 seconds to enter card for each transaction. I can spare the time...
Except... with what appears to be at least 10 matches to crime scene DNA from multiple scenes, the odds of this not being the right guy, in THIS case, are pretty low.
This is why I've held on to my 12 yr old Mitsubishi DLP TV. It's 65" and still a great 1080p image. Yeah, I have to replace the lamp maybe every year for about $90. Who cares? I can still get parts, it can still be repaired. I was chatting with the tech at the TV repair place I get my lamps from and he told me most of the newer TV's are pretty much either unrepairable, or the cost of repairing a TV more than a couple of years old is nearly as much as buying a new, larger TV. Next lamp replacement trip, I plan to ask him what the most common parts failures are on my TV and see if it's worth the cost to get spares now. I'm sure with my luck, some other part will break.
Appliances are a little bit different. Other than electronics, you can get affordable replacement parts for appliances that are older than you'd expect. My 20yr old wall oven went out last year, circuit board failure. A replacement was available, for $600. New oven time... Had it been any other part, I could have gotten replacements despite the age.
Even paying sales tax, I'd still come out ahead on most online purchases. I don't look at something online and say "uh oh, they charge sales tax, I might as well get in the car and buy it from some big box store".
X Nobody will ever make a fast electric car. There were fast electric vehicles long before Tesla. No one doubted it could be done, it was just a matter of the tech becoming cheap enough to use in a consumer product.
X Well, Tesla will never make an electric sedan that people actually want There are ALWAYS going to be buyers for unique $100k cars. No company enters that level of the market without being pretty sure they will sell
X It takes 12 hours to charge an electric car When people were saying that, it did take a long time to charge an EV, maybe not 12hrs, but not fast.
X They'll never sell more than a few thousand of them Fair enough...
X They'll never sell 100K cars Fair enough...
X They'll never make a $35K electric car with >200 miles of range Making them? Sure... Delivering them? Well that remains to be seen. If they can't get production under control and start filling the backlog, they may find people just walking away. Especially if some other company surprises the market with a competitive EV before they can get sorted.
X They'll sell maybe 50K of them All those pre-orders don't count until a car is actually made and delivered. It looks like a Kickstarter campaign at this point.
X SpaceX will never be competitive X SpaceX will never reliably land boosters X Well, they haven't reused them yet
These aren't cars. Considering that the established players hadn't come remotely close to landing and reuse and had plenty of studies to show how hard it would be, I don't think some skepticism about a private company pulling it off was unwarranted. It was a hell of an impressive achievement.
I think the Prius and various hybrids can claim prior art and also some credit for allowing Tesla to be able to sell a premium EV. The Prius came out in 2003 and was followed within a year by many others including a GMC Sierra full size SUV hybrid. Tesla started selling the Model S in 2012. It only makes sense that other companies are moving to EV as that is the next logical step from hybrid powertrains. Very few of them are concerned with the upper end when they can sell millions of low to mid-range EVs and still eat Tesla's lunch.
Tesla is always a year away from hitting their stride with production. Kinda like how true AI is only 10 years away. Practical fusion is only 25 years around the corner you know?
Tesla doesn't scare any auto maker. 100K total sales in luxury cars? Mercedes, BMW and Lexus EACH sold over 300K cars in 2017 alone. At the lower end, the established makers sell hundreds of thousands of entry level luxury cars every month. Tesla is like a Ferrari for the geek crowd. I guess it's a nice way to feel like they are part of a revolution.
Not really... iPhone updates affect a very limited variety of phones. Particularly security only updates. If there's a failed update, no one rushes off to ATT for support. They go to the Genius bar, or contact Apple online.
In the Android world there is an enormous array of different phones with different implementations of Android and support is largely placed on the carrier. Little suprise that the carriers don't want to risk messing up a functional phone and only do it as rarely as they can get away with.
"not everything is as the "independent" investigators says"
Are you suggesting that the NTSB has some hidden agenda? That they would waste time roasting a relatively small company over a single incident? These guys have regularly held corporate feet to the fire over accidents large and small at huge companies like Boeing and Airbus.
They don't give a crap about Tesla or self driving cars. As usual, they want to find out what happened and how to prevent it in the future. The NTSB doesn't care whether that hurts Tesla or not.
Plenty of the blame goes on carriers. If you have the new hotness, expect fairly regular updates. If not, good luck. Planned obsolescence is a load of crap perpetrated by carriers and manufacturers. I'd actually put more of the blame on carriers now that you pay full price + interest for phones in the US.
"it's an issue with idiots expecting computers to be perfect"
Then it's an issue with Tesla for selling a product to a mass market that generally has no idea how computers actually work, while glossing over the limitations. Are those limitations stated? Sure. Are they clearly reviewed by the sales staff prior to delivery? I doubt it. FFS I got a 45 min tour of all the features in my new car and what they could and couldn't do. That was last year, in a car half the price of a Tesla model S.
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the experts can issue their dire warnings when other companies are beating down the doors to provide the same service... are those crickets?
what do you mean jack up the prices? ever look at the reciept from Walgreens and see "insurance saved you $600", on a generic? Medicine is in more need of reform than anything.
They aren't in retreat. They are reducing product lines in North America because they sell more of 2 models than all their others. I'd like to think we'll be getting some amazing F150s and Mustangs from that saved money, but they will probably just use most of it to expand in other markets.
If he looked reasonably like Hamill I'd be ok with it. The new Star Trek character are not perfect matches, but they are very convincing.
What I want to see is the gap between Empire and Jedi where Luke becomes a full Jedi. He's a whining, one handed Jedi wanna be at the end of Empire. At the start of Jedi, he's a bad ass in black pants. What exactly happened? How long did it take? Did he have to complete "the trials"? What the hell are those anyway?
Yes, I'm sure this is explored in the countless books and comics, but I think it deserves a movie.
so people who placed pre-orders are just holding it wrong? the level of rationalization and hand waving among Tesla fans is on the same level as Apple. It's almost like with the death of Steve, they've all switched to the cult of Elon.
Except that general users were being told that downloading and installing apps was a surefire way to get a virus. Something that just ran in the browser was seen as safe (for a while anyway).
Give me a break... I'm not shitting on anything. I'm just pointing out that Teslas accomplishments are nowhere near as game changing as their fanboys would have us believe. Having a huge backlog and bleeding investor dollars is not shitting, they are facts. You seem to think they are irrelevant for some reason. Tesla or not, the industry was headed hybrid and later electric. Tesla may have sped things up a bit, but that was probably based on their over the top predictions for Model 3 deliveries. As far as the power market goes, do you live in Silicon Valley or San Francisco? Maybe powerwalls are ubiquitous there, but the rest of the country still lives in the real world.
Anyway, why this focus on "home market"? The auto industry is global these days. Tesla delivered ~103,000 cars globally in 2017, Porsche delivered ~246,000. That makes both of them niche products in an industry where the top 5 each sell over 1 million cars per QUARTER.
http://carsalesbase.com/global...
P.S. Pathetic little twerps make personal attacks on the internet when their favorite BOUTIQUE car manufacturer gets called out.
"well on the way"
Call me when he gets his backlog of car orders filled. Call me again when Tesla stops bleeding money. Call me yet again when Tesla becomes more than a boutique/niche car manufacturer. If they can't hit at least Porsche yearly sales levels, they will never be considered anything else.
Is he a smart guy? Sure. The problems with Tesla take nothing away from the awesomness of SpaceX. Smart people make mistakes though. Tesla, like Apple, tries so hard to be "different" that it sometimes backfires.
Whatever... My wife didn't make coffee this morning. Now I can't watch radar. Time to play with my dolls.
This is why I NEVER select the "save my card for faster purchases" option. Well, except for Amazon, but that's the only exception. It takes me all of 20 to 30 seconds to enter card for each transaction. I can spare the time...
It's now confirmed that Bitcoin is a scam...
Probably subscribers accepted the right of MoviePass to change plan terms at anytime when you agreed to the old TOS...
Except... with what appears to be at least 10 matches to crime scene DNA from multiple scenes, the odds of this not being the right guy, in THIS case, are pretty low.
"Ford also cant bring over the decent ones like the ST and RS versions"
That's interesting, because I see ST all the time, and RS occasionally around DFW.
This is why I've held on to my 12 yr old Mitsubishi DLP TV. It's 65" and still a great 1080p image. Yeah, I have to replace the lamp maybe every year for about $90. Who cares? I can still get parts, it can still be repaired. I was chatting with the tech at the TV repair place I get my lamps from and he told me most of the newer TV's are pretty much either unrepairable, or the cost of repairing a TV more than a couple of years old is nearly as much as buying a new, larger TV. Next lamp replacement trip, I plan to ask him what the most common parts failures are on my TV and see if it's worth the cost to get spares now. I'm sure with my luck, some other part will break.
Appliances are a little bit different. Other than electronics, you can get affordable replacement parts for appliances that are older than you'd expect. My 20yr old wall oven went out last year, circuit board failure. A replacement was available, for $600. New oven time... Had it been any other part, I could have gotten replacements despite the age.
Even paying sales tax, I'd still come out ahead on most online purchases. I don't look at something online and say "uh oh, they charge sales tax, I might as well get in the car and buy it from some big box store".
X Nobody will ever make a fast electric car.
There were fast electric vehicles long before Tesla. No one doubted it could be done, it was just a matter of the tech becoming cheap enough to use in a consumer product.
X Well, Tesla will never make an electric sedan that people actually want
There are ALWAYS going to be buyers for unique $100k cars. No company enters that level of the market without being pretty sure they will sell
X It takes 12 hours to charge an electric car
When people were saying that, it did take a long time to charge an EV, maybe not 12hrs, but not fast.
X They'll never sell more than a few thousand of them
Fair enough...
X They'll never sell 100K cars
Fair enough...
X They'll never make a $35K electric car with >200 miles of range
Making them? Sure... Delivering them? Well that remains to be seen. If they can't get production under control and start filling the backlog, they may find people just walking away. Especially if some other company surprises the market with a competitive EV before they can get sorted.
X They'll sell maybe 50K of them
All those pre-orders don't count until a car is actually made and delivered. It looks like a Kickstarter campaign at this point.
X SpaceX will never be competitive
X SpaceX will never reliably land boosters
X Well, they haven't reused them yet
These aren't cars. Considering that the established players hadn't come remotely close to landing and reuse and had plenty of studies to show how hard it would be, I don't think some skepticism about a private company pulling it off was unwarranted. It was a hell of an impressive achievement.
I think the Prius and various hybrids can claim prior art and also some credit for allowing Tesla to be able to sell a premium EV. The Prius came out in 2003 and was followed within a year by many others including a GMC Sierra full size SUV hybrid. Tesla started selling the Model S in 2012. It only makes sense that other companies are moving to EV as that is the next logical step from hybrid powertrains. Very few of them are concerned with the upper end when they can sell millions of low to mid-range EVs and still eat Tesla's lunch.
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"A year from now I expect"
Tesla is always a year away from hitting their stride with production. Kinda like how true AI is only 10 years away. Practical fusion is only 25 years around the corner you know?
Tesla doesn't scare any auto maker. 100K total sales in luxury cars? Mercedes, BMW and Lexus EACH sold over 300K cars in 2017 alone. At the lower end, the established makers sell hundreds of thousands of entry level luxury cars every month. Tesla is like a Ferrari for the geek crowd. I guess it's a nice way to feel like they are part of a revolution.
Not really... iPhone updates affect a very limited variety of phones. Particularly security only updates. If there's a failed update, no one rushes off to ATT for support. They go to the Genius bar, or contact Apple online.
In the Android world there is an enormous array of different phones with different implementations of Android and support is largely placed on the carrier. Little suprise that the carriers don't want to risk messing up a functional phone and only do it as rarely as they can get away with.
"not everything is as the "independent" investigators says"
Are you suggesting that the NTSB has some hidden agenda? That they would waste time roasting a relatively small company over a single incident? These guys have regularly held corporate feet to the fire over accidents large and small at huge companies like Boeing and Airbus.
They don't give a crap about Tesla or self driving cars. As usual, they want to find out what happened and how to prevent it in the future. The NTSB doesn't care whether that hurts Tesla or not.
Plenty of the blame goes on carriers. If you have the new hotness, expect fairly regular updates. If not, good luck. Planned obsolescence is a load of crap perpetrated by carriers and manufacturers. I'd actually put more of the blame on carriers now that you pay full price + interest for phones in the US.
"it's an issue with idiots expecting computers to be perfect"
Then it's an issue with Tesla for selling a product to a mass market that generally has no idea how computers actually work, while glossing over the limitations. Are those limitations stated? Sure. Are they clearly reviewed by the sales staff prior to delivery? I doubt it. FFS I got a 45 min tour of all the features in my new car and what they could and couldn't do. That was last year, in a car half the price of a Tesla model S.
never mod points when i need them...