Personally, I'm all in favor of respecting nature. But I don't think we should surrender to it.
Before we can surrender to nature, we're going to continue living in conflict with it. It's not until we work with nature, that we can live peacefully and in harmony. Of course, they are both co-dependent, so when it happens, it just happens.
To spend billions of dollars in rebuilding land that will ultimately end up on the bottom of the ocean, seems like a step in the wrong direction to me. It might be ok, for one, maybe two generations, but sometimes in the medium future it WILL become a loss, again. Why invest in a loss now, rather than cut the losses? The only reason must be because people are only thinking of themselves and their own lifetime, their kids be screwed.
It seems sad to me that only a major global crisis can make people wake up to the reality - To see how things really are. But we still have the choice, we just need to let the ego go. We can do it the easy way, or the hard way. Nature will provide both options, but it depends on us and our willingness to change and be flexible, like nature.
What is needed is awareness, observation, rational logic, spirituality and human values. A system is only as good as the level of enlightenment in the population. With ignorant people, you will have abysmal results (USSR). Now, the level of ignorance and superficiality in the West is on the rise, and we need to lift these mentioned values.
It has nothing to do with the laws, rules and political system. The results comes from optimism, a drive to contribute to the community and a feeling of responsibility and belongingness to that community.
We can all start by starting with ourselves, since until we do, we have absolutely nothing to teach the world. It's already started, just jump aboard!
Plagiarism for profit purposes is greedy, shows undue pride, obviously Fuddrucker's web designer was envious of the Flash programmer's skill, but too slothful to acquire or implement them. Four deadly sins right there.
Those are in your mind. You don't actually know this is the reality. Those hotlinking at fuddrockers might just've thought it was a cool idea and thought nothing bad would come out of it.
Be careful pointing at others, because three fingers are pointing at yourself!
And software patents isn't? When I'm coding in my living room, am I even remotely aware of the myriads of patents I'm breaking?
No. I don't need patents to solve my computing problems, and I don't need the overhead of examining patents (which are impossible to understand and read), or spend money and time for patent applications.
It doesn't matter as long as the big players can set the playfield uneven and kick out the small players, they're happy with the new laws they bought.
Recipes can be patented too, it just requires an even more insane and ignorant society than we're living in now. And trust me, if we don't do action and educate people, we will get there. Bad laws and systems are bad for everyone, and the respect for the lawmakers go down the toilet.
The thing is, even good kids make mistakes. There are times when trust just isn't enough.
Your mistake is in not allowing for mistakes.
When we remove all mistakes from evolution, what are you really left with?
Same goes for experential knowledge. If you remove all mistakes from a growing consciousness, what is left? What are kids supposed to learn these days..
How shallow can you get? How much fake security are we going to pamper ourselves with, until we're so removed from reality we can hardly piss without someone controlling us?
Besides, if you can't trust your kids, and lend them some freedom, they will grow up either:
*) Frustrated and become your opposite and hate you for it. They will do everything you disallow, and learn to enjoy it.
*) Become like your teaching, and never mind the New World Order of the government, whatever that may be. What you didn't want for yourself, your kids will ignorantly want, because they haven't learned to think critically for themselves.
Or both, with one of them at a later age, when they're tired of reacting on your parenting for some years. These things happens to ALL parents btw, but you can limit the damage you do from your parenting, or you can make it worse. No parents are perfect.
My dillema is that I have to let you make this mistake (what else can I do?), but I will tell you "I told you so!", later. You bet..
Good points! I was thinking some of them while reading the posts here.
I can't believe people here fall for DRM as soon as they can get something for free..
What we need is people thinking on the whole system, not just wether they themselves can get something by giving less for it. When everyone does that, it stops the flow of money.
I have a solid income, yet I vote for those parties here in Norway that favours schools, libraries, human values and strengthening the local community. This will certainly take more money from my pocket, but will benefit more people.
All I'm saying is that drugs is bad for you. You don't know what you get and I give experiences of myself and other people who have had bad experiences with it. If you don't want to believe me and those experiences, go ahead, but still people have these experiences. Not everyone reacts to drugs like you.
That it doesn't fit into your world-view is your issue. To attack on person and not subject, is also your problem with conversation. I never claimed to be an expert on drugs or have the Only truth about it. It REALLY seems like many people responding here do though. It should be possible to talk to each other about differing world-views without offering insults and personal attacks, no?
I'm not preaching. If you want to do drugs and have a great time doing it, sure, go ahead. Again, read my posts and don't assume I'm somebody you met in the *past*. I'm not anti-drug, and I don't use scare tactics. I just say I am having a better time doing something else, and that everyone who wants to can too.
You're not really discussing, you're just re-acting on somebody you met in the past, projecting that same person on me. *shrug* Not so much I can do about it other than point it out. It's like I say a few words, and you assume I say volumes, but this is in your *memory*. It is past, and it's not *me*. It was somebody you met in the past which made you angry.
"I also think that many people exaggurate its side effects."
Yes, and obviously this makes the same people complaining about exaggerating its side effects, exaggerate their discussions about it to the point of name-calling. So *both* their minds and the anti-drug minds are aggravated. It's funny to watch people get ticked off by such small things!
The same discussion being played off an old gramaphone player:-) I know it well, because I can be an expert on it myself!
It's nice to see somebody who actually listens. Not everybody is an expert on *both* drugs and benefits of yoga / meditation, or whatever issues. I'm utterly novice on both things, but I do have strong experiences in both things too. However, it seems some people are not ready to listen to other than their own tired arguments, and that's fine, if that's what they want to hear. Drugs were FAR FAR from what I wanted to really discuss today. There's this political correctness you have to adhere to when you're young, even though research is not conclusive. Say one thing wrong, and you're dog-food.
For example, sometimes I drink heavily, not a good thing, but it's what I do. However, to make sure I don't do anything stupid, I leave my keys and cellphone (to avoid drunken dialing) at home. If used responsibly, weed and alcohol aren't any more dangerous than fast food or chocolate.
I support your *choice* to do this, even though my experience now tells me, no urges me onward on what I have begun and am telling you all about. This does not mean everybody has to follow suit, but for those that this rings a bell of trueness in, it might help them.
Praise the lord!!!;-) (Just kiddin':-D)
I'm not into discussing drugs really, it's just one of my many experiences that have set my on a spiritual path. I am not anti-drugs, and I'm not pro-drugs, I can care less about it, it's worthless to me. At the same time, I can feel the sadness behind the "happy" people partying out in town.. I care about that, but it might also just be my own sadness and everyone is totally blissed out on alcohol. What do I know?
You obviously missed my entire point. I'm not an expert. I only state that drugs are bad for you and bad things can happen when you do them, yes, even "harmless stuff" like pot, since you never know what's in it.
My *point* is that you can do without drugs, and be happier with other techniques in life, but people get triggered by words like "drugs" and need to prove their beliefs, or attack the messenger just because I state it in a different way than you approve.
Your only arguments are personal attacks, hence this discussion is pointless.
I'm just stating we can do better to feel good about ourselves and others. There are ways, but of course, if people don't want to listen or agree, that's their choice.
Drugs aren't excactly helping, quite the opposite. And it is not helping that people are saying stuff like "weed is harmless" while minors are listening too, because that is frankly not proven. My experience is that it does things to your body and mind which is not good, and many others have had such experiences too.
I don't really blame anybody. I just want to do the best thing. It's like drinking and driving: you can be lucky so many times, but one of those times you may also be unlucky. It's just more invisible with drugs like hash.
I have no idea wether that guy is a pedophile or not, and that's not really interesting. He probably got hit by impure pot, but that can happen too. People take such risks, when there are so many more attracting alternatives. I just have to wonder about it.
This is very common. Reformed alcoholics are often vehemently anti-alcohol. Reformed drug addicts are oftem vehemently anti-drugs. But when you're that opposed to someone, it's hard not to turn into a zelaot. Which is exactly the sort of person you bring into a school run by a government that is waging a "War on Drugs". You want to scare the children away from drugs.
True. This was in Norway though, not the US.
Maybe I am wrong that hash has long-term effect, but it seems something affects those who smoke it so they become dull.
I'm not sure I understand how you can make a distinction. Having a joint and listening to Pink Floyd (for example) might be akin to a religious experience for some people. i'm not being flippant here, I just don't think that any one person (or group of people, like a government, for example) can make that call.
That's easy. It's people's own choice. I'm just stating my mind here, not making a party-program or authoritarian regime.
Yes, this is true, but if you have an addictive personality, you can get addicted to anything. There's a well-known singer in a rock band who was an alcoholic. He stopped drinking and instead became addicted to shopping. And this isn't an isolated incident.
All the more reason to go into yoga, to understand the mind better.
By no means do I want to criticise you for your choice of how to live; I applaud you for your clean living ways, and I'm glad that they're working out for you. But, if you think of it, the sort of people who are going to use drugs (ie, they're looking for a quick thrill) are not exactly the sort of people who are going to put in the time and energy and dedication necessary to get the same sort of pay-off from yoga as your good self.
There are MANY former drug-addicts that I know that are in the alternative community. They are good people and can put alot of effort, when the right cause is there, and not just some empty money-grubbing bussiness.
I'm not a fan of drugs. Don't like to use them myself, but i think that the choice should be up to the individual.
Totally agreed. I'm just stating my opinion and sharing my experience. It is people who are attacking me and those stories who make this hard.
So this is obviously NOT the right forum to post in, and I will think twice to air my mind here again. Obviously, people must already agree with something before they can listen to it..
I never claimed to be an authority on the issue, just speaking what I have experienced myself, stories and information from others.
It is others who started personal attack and insults, because I state things that go against the popular mantras people like to repeat among themselves.
I must have hit a nerve, sorry, but it needed to get hit. It doesn't make it any more true to repeat that "weed is harmless" when research and experience have shown the opposite.
I offer one way, it is not just mine, there are many ways. I think spirituality is it, wether you believe in God or not. Spirituality has nothing to do with God, ie. look up on Buddhism.
Just be natural and seek wise council and do what is best. There's no one answer.:-)
I've spoken enough and when there is so much discussing back and forth on details, it doesn't bring any fruits, just bad feelings. So if you feel you're on the right track, you probably are. If not, then you may listen to what I say or follow my links, or find something else.
However, what I would advice against is to follow where everybody else is going - the lowest common denominator. But it's ultimately everybody's choice.
I respect your opinion and Amsterdam must be a pretty cool place to live. People should have the responsibility to make up their own lives and choices.
He probably got hit by a bad product, for sure.
Maybe we just have different visions on how society can be? I'm not just talking about handling a day-to-day job, like you see those grim faces on the bus every day? People are barely hanging on, and find ways to escape an inhuman society.
If you understand this, you do, if not you don't. It's hard to explain =) I should have stopped this discussion many posts ago yes. Obviously I must speak with people who share the same idea as me, so I can be accepted.
Here's your problem right here. Spend 20 minutes in a rape councilling center and you'll hear this thing over and over again. Don't take statements like this at face value. Above all, it's ridiculous to take this sort of statement as a meaningful indicator of the effects of pot. Your friend is using a classic and well-known psychological defense technique to protect herself from trauma over the experience. *She* doesn't know any more than you do if it was because of the pot or anything else. Hell, if she was 6, as you describe, then her knowledge of exactly what he was on is hardly to be taken for granted anyway. So while I'm sorry for your friend, and I do suggest she has therapy if she hasn't already, she should not be considered some sort of expert on the effects of smoking marijuana because as a child she was molested by someone she thought was stoned.
We both know that we don't know for sure. He did this while under influence of a substance most consider "harmless" and from her quote had a very, very bad trip, that suggests something to me though.
The effects of drugs on inhibitions are well known. It's fine if you personally don't feel the need to use them, but being aware of what they do and why people use them might help you find common ground in these sort of discussions. It's got nothing do to with "our modern society" per se - recreational drug use has been around for as long as there have been people (might want to study your history of Yoga, for example).
Herbs have been used for medical use for a long time. However in our society, many millions of people are addicts and having serious problems. I'd like to help by showing there are other ways to live, for those who want to listen. I also believe that if everybody starts using it, it will affect our society in very bad ways without people noticing it.
I have no problems with people using drugs for spiritual growth based on experience and knowledge, but this is hardly the case in most homes.
I am well aware that people seek a way out of their lives. This adds to their problems, instead of facing their lives and taking a more active role. If they don't want to, there's nothing more I can do, but at least I can do what I can, and that makes me happy.
And for the record, weed doesn't "rot your brain", and it's *extremely* unlikely that weed (or hashish [note spelling]) is the sole or even an important factor in any sort of "street case" you're talking about.
I can only site from reference to those former criminals who made speeches on our school and my experience with people who take harshis regularly. It doesn't look very healthy to me, especially compared to alternatives that exists, like yoga, tai chi or chi gong and drinking lots of water:-) In fact, many former hippies swear to this rather than taking drugs.
We both know research often shows whatever the researcher wants to find, but my hunch is that weed is far from harmless, in subtle ways and long-term. No meditation or yoga teacher will recommend taking drugs, quite the opposite in fact. Taking drugs in Yoga is very rare, and probably connected to holy rituals and the like, not recreational drug-abuse and escapism.
It's painfully obvious you don't know what you are talking about.
Just because I'm daring to contradict often-repeated and populistic mantras of young people? The more you repeat it, doesn't make it any more true.
Harshis" is the most dangerous drug on the streets? o.0
That is your words, not mine. You react on what I say and want to make me to look stupid so you don't have to think about the implications, thus you put words in my mouth. It simply goes against your set of beliefs and you react instead of pondering on it and act.
This is from the people I've heard who have lived on the street as drug-addicted criminals, giving intro-talks to schools etc. True, it's not my own experience (thank god!), but what they said is this: The worst cases you see on the streets is those taking harshis almost every day. Like every day, for years. They become so slugish, can barely walk and think, and suffer worse than the heroin abusers with their bad knees. They might be in the minority and really, really bad abusers of the substance, but they are the ones suffering the most permanent damage. This is what I remember was said and it sounded plausible at the time.
Your "experience" in this area is laughable. "harshis" indeed.
I come from Europe. We call it "harsh" in Norwegian. We don't use "weed" or "crack", thus I don't want to use those terms. Should I pretend I'm familiar with those terms instead, so you will accept me?
Weed rots the brain" You claim. Makes you CrAzY does it? I don't suppose you are in the movie making business because I think I've seen your earlier work under the name "Reefer Madness".
I don't know the medical terms, but people using harshis becomes dull, weak, boring and get a bad skin among other things;-)
Weed is certainly bad for the body, but the reasons are far more pedestian than "brain rotting" which sounds like something out of a bad sci-fi flick (as does the rest of your rhetoric btw). It's bad for you in the same way smoking cigarettes is bad for you. You are filling your lungs with filthy smoke and your body is unable to effectively get rid of the contaminants. The delivery system is just plain dirty. It's that simple.
Thanks for your thorough medical explanation. So the drug itself is harmless, right? This is what you are implying, even if it's not true. Why do you want to spread a lie? Why not look up on research on THC and think about what you say next time before you correct somebody else's weak medical knowledge?
You ever hear a virgin bragging about some sexual escapade they had and it's painfully obvious to everyone but them that they are just making it up and they have absolutely no relevant experience? Well that's what you sound like.
This is just getting silly. Take a look at what you wrote.. Somehow, what I say makes me "uncool", so I must be a virgin and unexperienced. While those people who say things you agree with are of course "cool". How broad-minded!
What I see is many people spouting the same populistic mantras to each other in order to sound intellectual, without having bothered to look up on research on drugs or really look into the social problems around drugs at all. Even if THEY can control their addiction and dosage, somehow everybody else can it too, so there's no problem! And if somebody develops a problem with it, well, that's their problem! We just continue advertise drugs to everybody, even minors, saying it's cool and stuff, but don't really care about those who fall off the wagon..
I'm sorry if I'm not going to repeat the mantra. I believe in making the best and informed choices whenever possible and go for the highest goals in life. This does not exclude fun, or an ice-cream, or a video, or even slacking some, in fact, REAL fun is without drugs.
Real fun is to do what is best and feel good about what you contribute to others, among other things you can come up with. Drugs is not really fun: It is sho
We as a society have a problem when people escape from their lives instead of embracing life as it is and taking the challenges.
You have an impression of me through these threads. But really, what you have is coming from yourself. You know nothing about me. Heck, I know very little about myself even!;-)
If you don't want to listen, fine by me, I'm not a super-example to show to the world and I certainly am not looking to make copies of myself onto the world. I simply see we're heading for trouble, and people are suffering even when they have all they could need in the world. In fact they have more than 99.9% of the population on this planet, yet, are heading for self-destruction.
I offer a way out, not by myself, but by any means where you're heading for spirituality. Choose what you like, or don't. As I've said before, I'm simply writing this to inspire people and share my experience.
Wether I have CDs, play games, read books or whatever, is besides the question. I feel good about what I do. If you do the same, that's great!
Why do you want to stick an asshole-marker on my forehead?
I think his point was that you can't really blame pot for this guy molesting this girl, because all you're doing is taking her word for it. There's no proof one way or another that the weed is the cause, and from all other accounts weed does not make you a child molester, it makes you a twinkie molester. How do you know what this guy was thinking, before or after doing pot?
What she told us, was that he went into a trance from the "weed", going into a very bad trip. She knows him, and he would never do this in any other state and to her knowledge he has never done it again. All her confrontation with him on the subject has led her to believe he doesn't remember anything that night.
I get the poster's point, but I don't necessarily have to agree with it. There's an big distinction between understanding an argument intellectually, and agreeing with it. When somebody believes drugs are cool, they will say anything to rationalize taking drugs, making the statements more subjective rather than more objective.
I also don't have to believe every word she says, but it does seem plausible to me, and counts far more than somebody expressing his generalizing beliefs about this incident on an internet discussion board.
You don't so it's quite silly for you to blame the whole thing on weed.
That is your words, not mine.
I don't blame anything or anyone, and certainly an issue is always more complex than just one blatant black and white picture. I merely point out that taking drugs is generally poisonous for your body and have mind-altering effects. There are much better alternatives, so why take something you know it bad?
It is often so convenient to blame the person. But you know, the person is the sum of the experience and knowledge imparted on that person, making him/her behave a certain way.
And what more: It's also convenient to blame drugs, pop-culture, premature sex, society or whatnot for every problem.
I'm looking for those who take responsibility for their actions, not blaming, but choosing wisely what is best for themselves and others.
Blame is irrelevant. It makes you dull and inactive. Often, the persons doing the least is blaming the most. Taking resposibility gives you the ability to respond.
You may argue that you believe drugs have no bad effects on the body and mind, but that is another discussion. That would be to discuss the root here, which people rarely do.
Instead they attack people and their experiences, just because it doesn't match with their current beliefs. Beliefs change all the time. Why require proof of somebody's direct and personal experience? This is not a singular story I have heard either, although the research on drugs should speak for itself.
Yes, I know it's popular to repeat the mantra again and again: Weed does not harm you.
But fact is, it does. If it's pure, maybe not so much at once, but on a subtler level it does thing to your mind and body. If a whole society does weed, it will affect the whole of society. You can see it on the skin of people, and the slugish way they talk sometimes, that they have been using weed/drugs for a long time.
My experience with harshis has been only bad and I now do not believe in taking drugs for recreation. I have found something which gives me more and longer lasting pleasure. This is what I am sharing to you, but I'm beginning to think it is for deaf ears.
Weed rots your brain, especially on those who are using it alot, yes. The absolute worst cases you see on the street is in fact due to HEAVY use of harshis, not the harder stuff. But it also has diverse effects on people, not everyone reacts to it the same.
Do you smoke crack?...
I tried harshis a handful of times, but on me it had worse and worse effect. Sometimes I got vibration in my chest from it that really scared me since it felt like it was the heart. Now I know better what it is, and it - along with nervous heart - is gone since I started doing yoga and breathing exercises. I was poisoning my body, now it is cleaning.
Tell Your friend to SEEK THERAPY. She should have ceased contact with this 'friend' of hers. It had nothing to do with 'dope'; he is a sexual predator! If he was also 6. It's not because of the dope. He was also molested. But the fact that she thinks it was dope, makes me believe it was an older sexual predator....
This you can state without having talked to the girl or anything.. Way to go making generalizations. She knows the guy, he was also young. You may be right he was also molested, but isn't that beyond the point? He did this one time in a trance from drugs.
Read a book. Your conclusions are based on dilusions and rationalizations of a 6 year old; not reality....
I prefer to deal with reality, not books and generalizations. I also don't claim to own the truth, I just share my experience. My experience was that her pain in the time from she was 6 years old was REAL, and she said this would not have happened if he hadn't taken that smoke. He wasn't himself.
Maybe she should have figured out how to deal with this at 6 years old without tornmenting herself, but things turned up this way no matter how much you try to excuse drugs.
Drugs, accept alcohol, do not make people do things they weren't already going to do. It makes them have more fun doing it....
Taken from somebody promoting drugs.. Do we really need advertisement for it?
People take drugs because they need a excuse for doing fun things in their lives. The drugs lowers the artificial high bars we have in our so-called "modern society" to let go, relax and just do what we feel like, not what others expect us to do. We live our entire lives on the expectations of others, even sometimes when we do the opposite! But when we drink, we have an excuse to drop all that. The sad thing is that is another social acceptable thing to do, so we're not really free even we do this!
There's no need to drink yourself up to talking with that girl. When you do, you're not really doing it anyways, the booze is doing it for you, you're not quite yourself. In fact people become quite stupid in the effect of booze.
Why use drugs to artificially lower personal inhibitions, when you can do the same in a drug-free state and really meet yourself and reality? You then also have more control, thought-processes intact and don't risk dropping those inhibitions that SHOULD NOT be dropped.
You can have as much fun as you like. Just do it, but you also have to go beyond your own fears, and be able to take ridicule and fear from others.
PS: NO ONE WANTS TO JOIN YOUR CULT.
That's okay, I don't want to join your cult either;-)
What I'm arguing is that you can have a drug-free living with a much better and long-lasting high from doing yoga, meditation and service to the world. It is totally natural, have been practiced in the East for thousands of years and this is what everybody is seeking in drugs and other escapes from reality.
PPS: Maybe you should get some therapy too.
Way to go Mr. ad hominem attack. What can I say after this?
I can only direct you to an article about being a fool I once read and now Google'd up for
You don't have to watch television. You don't have to be spoon-fed "entertainment", you can BE entertaining! Yes! Be a clown, laughter is healthy!
There's so many interesting, enlightening and productive ways to live your lives. Why do people go on want to live to the lowest common denominator, and then need to escape this "life" that they have chosen?
It's strange. I used to do these things, but that was just because the others were doing it and I didn't know anything better. Now I do and am a much richer and happier person. The people I meet much more interesting, the kind that are seeking answers in life, and dare to explore the avenues no matter what other people say about things they've never tried themselves.
Yes, you abhor violence and rape, until you get hit by a bad hit and do something you would never physicall do otherwise. By the time it has been done, it would all seem like it was a dream, unreal, maybe you won't ever remember it again or your mind might deny its very existence for the rest of your life.
I was just in a Youth Empowermemt camp with a french teenager who had sexually thing done to her at 6 years due to pot. She knows the guy on friendly terms today. He doesn't remember anything of it. She knows that he did it because of the dope that one time.
It ruined her life, she said.
You can live on the edge without knowing it. Putting poison and generally trippy stuff into your body, WILL affect you, even if you think you're invulnerable and strong. It only takes one time, to ruin somebody's life. Perhaps one of the most beautiful girls I've ever seen, feeling bad about herself since 6 years old.
You can play dice far into the game, but the chance is there you will trip and fall, fall out of grace. Ego says this happens to other people, in my experience, you gain much more by stop playing such games and finding games that enrich life fully.
Good post about stereoptypes otherwise. It's clear we should treat each others like unique human beings. Not just for the other person, but because it makes the world far more interesting for ourselves too.
Read the link in my sig for more information about the universe, life and everything;-)
She came with this story as soon as somebody in the group mentioned the harmlessness of something as "household as pot". (Yes, I KNOW this will come..)
"It ruined my life". I will be reminded of this last sentence, since this was one of the moments in life, where you could actually touch the words in the air.
Nothing else matters. I'm doing yoga, breathing exercises and service that makes life high, healthier and interesting in so many more ways than stuffing your body with poison to experience the effects.
GPL is designed to protect the freedom of the *code*. Ie. when I release a GPL-licensed work I want to retain the *users* freedom to access the code, and not become a second-grade citizen of the work. GPL does NOT restrict use, and only restricts distribution IF you make changes AND distribute your binaries. This is a must in order to protect said freedom of the *code*.
BSD is designed to protect the freedom of *individuals*, wether they want to hide their changes or not. It does not protect the freedom of the users of the software to make changes, since binaries can be distributed without source and copyright law will prevent any tinkering of the binaries. However, it does grant more freedom in making other people second-grade citizens through copyright law. Ie. you need to ask Microsoft to change or distribute the BSD-stack in the NT-kernel. Thus BSD is more commercial-friendly than the GPL, since for now, corporations thrive by sucking away the freedom of their users and rely on their ignorance.
It all amounts to: The right tool for the right job. None of the alternatives is morally superior. It is a matter of PERSONAL and POLITICAL preference.
If you wish to discuss POLITICS, discuss politics. But to discuss GPL vs. BSD, you're missing the point. What you need to discuss is wether corporations should be doing what they are doing now, or wether we need a change in how corporations work.
It is good to learn to discuss the root, not the leaves on the tree. The leaves always changes, while the root remains and you don't get to the core.
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Personally, I'm all in favor of respecting nature. But I don't think we should surrender to it.
Before we can surrender to nature, we're going to continue living in conflict with it. It's not until we work with nature, that we can live peacefully and in harmony. Of course, they are both co-dependent, so when it happens, it just happens.
To spend billions of dollars in rebuilding land that will ultimately end up on the bottom of the ocean, seems like a step in the wrong direction to me. It might be ok, for one, maybe two generations, but sometimes in the medium future it WILL become a loss, again. Why invest in a loss now, rather than cut the losses? The only reason must be because people are only thinking of themselves and their own lifetime, their kids be screwed.
It seems sad to me that only a major global crisis can make people wake up to the reality - To see how things really are. But we still have the choice, we just need to let the ego go. We can do it the easy way, or the hard way. Nature will provide both options, but it depends on us and our willingness to change and be flexible, like nature.
What is needed is awareness, observation, rational logic, spirituality and human values. A system is only as good as the level of enlightenment in the population. With ignorant people, you will have abysmal results (USSR). Now, the level of ignorance and superficiality in the West is on the rise, and we need to lift these mentioned values.
It has nothing to do with the laws, rules and political system. The results comes from optimism, a drive to contribute to the community and a feeling of responsibility and belongingness to that community.
We can all start by starting with ourselves, since until we do, we have absolutely nothing to teach the world. It's already started, just jump aboard!
Plagiarism for profit purposes is greedy, shows undue pride, obviously Fuddrucker's web designer was envious of the Flash programmer's skill, but too slothful to acquire or implement them. Four deadly sins right there.
Those are in your mind. You don't actually know this is the reality. Those hotlinking at fuddrockers might just've thought it was a cool idea and thought nothing bad would come out of it.
Be careful pointing at others, because three fingers are pointing at yourself!
Not only that, but he hotlinked to another site himself. Did he ask permission first?
Sometimes, people don't stop and think things through.
Recipe patents would be unenforceable.
And software patents isn't? When I'm coding in my living room, am I even remotely aware of the myriads of patents I'm breaking?
No. I don't need patents to solve my computing problems, and I don't need the overhead of examining patents (which are impossible to understand and read), or spend money and time for patent applications.
It doesn't matter as long as the big players can set the playfield uneven and kick out the small players, they're happy with the new laws they bought.
Recipes can be patented too, it just requires an even more insane and ignorant society than we're living in now. And trust me, if we don't do action and educate people, we will get there. Bad laws and systems are bad for everyone, and the respect for the lawmakers go down the toilet.
The thing is, even good kids make mistakes. There are times when trust just isn't enough.
Your mistake is in not allowing for mistakes.
When we remove all mistakes from evolution, what are you really left with?
Same goes for experential knowledge. If you remove all mistakes from a growing consciousness, what is left? What are kids supposed to learn these days..
How shallow can you get? How much fake security are we going to pamper ourselves with, until we're so removed from reality we can hardly piss without someone controlling us?
Besides, if you can't trust your kids, and lend them some freedom, they will grow up either:
*) Frustrated and become your opposite and hate you for it. They will do everything you disallow, and learn to enjoy it.
*) Become like your teaching, and never mind the New World Order of the government, whatever that may be. What you didn't want for yourself, your kids will ignorantly want, because they haven't learned to think critically for themselves.
Or both, with one of them at a later age, when they're tired of reacting on your parenting for some years. These things happens to ALL parents btw, but you can limit the damage you do from your parenting, or you can make it worse. No parents are perfect.
My dillema is that I have to let you make this mistake (what else can I do?), but I will tell you "I told you so!", later. You bet..
Too late when your tax goes to fund DRMed solutions in libraries..
Good points! I was thinking some of them while reading the posts here.
I can't believe people here fall for DRM as soon as they can get something for free..
What we need is people thinking on the whole system, not just wether they themselves can get something by giving less for it. When everyone does that, it stops the flow of money.
I have a solid income, yet I vote for those parties here in Norway that favours schools, libraries, human values and strengthening the local community. This will certainly take more money from my pocket, but will benefit more people.
Think people..
You are not listening to my words.
All I'm saying is that drugs is bad for you. You don't know what you get and I give experiences of myself and other people who have had bad experiences with it. If you don't want to believe me and those experiences, go ahead, but still people have these experiences. Not everyone reacts to drugs like you.
That it doesn't fit into your world-view is your issue. To attack on person and not subject, is also your problem with conversation. I never claimed to be an expert on drugs or have the Only truth about it. It REALLY seems like many people responding here do though. It should be possible to talk to each other about differing world-views without offering insults and personal attacks, no?
I'm not preaching. If you want to do drugs and have a great time doing it, sure, go ahead. Again, read my posts and don't assume I'm somebody you met in the *past*. I'm not anti-drug, and I don't use scare tactics. I just say I am having a better time doing something else, and that everyone who wants to can too.
You're not really discussing, you're just re-acting on somebody you met in the past, projecting that same person on me. *shrug* Not so much I can do about it other than point it out. It's like I say a few words, and you assume I say volumes, but this is in your *memory*. It is past, and it's not *me*. It was somebody you met in the past which made you angry.
"I also think that many people exaggurate its side effects."
:-) I know it well, because I can be an expert on it myself!
;-) (Just kiddin' :-D)
Yes, and obviously this makes the same people complaining about exaggerating its side effects, exaggerate their discussions about it to the point of name-calling. So *both* their minds and the anti-drug minds are aggravated. It's funny to watch people get ticked off by such small things!
The same discussion being played off an old gramaphone player
It's nice to see somebody who actually listens. Not everybody is an expert on *both* drugs and benefits of yoga / meditation, or whatever issues. I'm utterly novice on both things, but I do have strong experiences in both things too. However, it seems some people are not ready to listen to other than their own tired arguments, and that's fine, if that's what they want to hear. Drugs were FAR FAR from what I wanted to really discuss today. There's this political correctness you have to adhere to when you're young, even though research is not conclusive. Say one thing wrong, and you're dog-food.
For example, sometimes I drink heavily, not a good thing, but it's what I do. However, to make sure I don't do anything stupid, I leave my keys and cellphone (to avoid drunken dialing) at home. If used responsibly, weed and alcohol aren't any more dangerous than fast food or chocolate.
I support your *choice* to do this, even though my experience now tells me, no urges me onward on what I have begun and am telling you all about. This does not mean everybody has to follow suit, but for those that this rings a bell of trueness in, it might help them.
Praise the lord!!!
I'm not into discussing drugs really, it's just one of my many experiences that have set my on a spiritual path. I am not anti-drugs, and I'm not pro-drugs, I can care less about it, it's worthless to me. At the same time, I can feel the sadness behind the "happy" people partying out in town.. I care about that, but it might also just be my own sadness and everyone is totally blissed out on alcohol. What do I know?
You obviously missed my entire point.
I'm not an expert.
I only state that drugs are bad for you and bad things can happen when you do them, yes, even "harmless stuff" like pot, since you never know what's in it.
My *point* is that you can do without drugs, and be happier with other techniques in life, but people get triggered by words like "drugs" and need to prove their beliefs, or attack the messenger just because I state it in a different way than you approve.
Your only arguments are personal attacks, hence this discussion is pointless.
I'm just stating we can do better to feel good about ourselves and others. There are ways, but of course, if people don't want to listen or agree, that's their choice.
Drugs aren't excactly helping, quite the opposite. And it is not helping that people are saying stuff like "weed is harmless" while minors are listening too, because that is frankly not proven. My experience is that it does things to your body and mind which is not good, and many others have had such experiences too.
I don't really blame anybody. I just want to do the best thing. It's like drinking and driving: you can be lucky so many times, but one of those times you may also be unlucky. It's just more invisible with drugs like hash.
I have no idea wether that guy is a pedophile or not, and that's not really interesting. He probably got hit by impure pot, but that can happen too. People take such risks, when there are so many more attracting alternatives. I just have to wonder about it.
This is very common. Reformed alcoholics are often vehemently anti-alcohol. Reformed drug addicts are oftem vehemently anti-drugs. But when you're that opposed to someone, it's hard not to turn into a zelaot. Which is exactly the sort of person you bring into a school run by a government that is waging a "War on Drugs". You want to scare the children away from drugs.
True. This was in Norway though, not the US.
Maybe I am wrong that hash has long-term effect, but it seems something affects those who smoke it so they become dull.
I'm not sure I understand how you can make a distinction. Having a joint and listening to Pink Floyd (for example) might be akin to a religious experience for some people. i'm not being flippant here, I just don't think that any one person (or group of people, like a government, for example) can make that call.
That's easy. It's people's own choice. I'm just stating my mind here, not making a party-program or authoritarian regime.
Yes, this is true, but if you have an addictive personality, you can get addicted to anything. There's a well-known singer in a rock band who was an alcoholic. He stopped drinking and instead became addicted to shopping. And this isn't an isolated incident.
All the more reason to go into yoga, to understand the mind better.
By no means do I want to criticise you for your choice of how to live; I applaud you for your clean living ways, and I'm glad that they're working out for you. But, if you think of it, the sort of people who are going to use drugs (ie, they're looking for a quick thrill) are not exactly the sort of people who are going to put in the time and energy and dedication necessary to get the same sort of pay-off from yoga as your good self.
There are MANY former drug-addicts that I know that are in the alternative community. They are good people and can put alot of effort, when the right cause is there, and not just some empty money-grubbing bussiness.
I'm not a fan of drugs. Don't like to use them myself, but i think that the choice should be up to the individual.
Totally agreed. I'm just stating my opinion and sharing my experience. It is people who are attacking me and those stories who make this hard.
So this is obviously NOT the right forum to post in, and I will think twice to air my mind here again. Obviously, people must already agree with something before they can listen to it..
I never claimed to be an authority on the issue, just speaking what I have experienced myself, stories and information from others.
It is others who started personal attack and insults, because I state things that go against the popular mantras people like to repeat among themselves.
I must have hit a nerve, sorry, but it needed to get hit. It doesn't make it any more true to repeat that "weed is harmless" when research and experience have shown the opposite.
Now we're talking!
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I offer one way, it is not just mine, there are many ways. I think spirituality is it, wether you believe in God or not. Spirituality has nothing to do with God, ie. look up on Buddhism.
Just be natural and seek wise council and do what is best. There's no one answer.
I've spoken enough and when there is so much discussing back and forth on details, it doesn't bring any fruits, just bad feelings. So if you feel you're on the right track, you probably are. If not, then you may listen to what I say or follow my links, or find something else.
However, what I would advice against is to follow where everybody else is going - the lowest common denominator. But it's ultimately everybody's choice.
I respect your opinion and Amsterdam must be a pretty cool place to live. People should have the responsibility to make up their own lives and choices.
He probably got hit by a bad product, for sure.
Maybe we just have different visions on how society can be? I'm not just talking about handling a day-to-day job, like you see those grim faces on the bus every day? People are barely hanging on, and find ways to escape an inhuman society.
If you understand this, you do, if not you don't. It's hard to explain =) I should have stopped this discussion many posts ago yes. Obviously I must speak with people who share the same idea as me, so I can be accepted.
Here's your problem right here. Spend 20 minutes in a rape councilling center and you'll hear this thing over and over again. Don't take statements like this at face value. Above all, it's ridiculous to take this sort of statement as a meaningful indicator of the effects of pot. Your friend is using a classic and well-known psychological defense technique to protect herself from trauma over the experience. *She* doesn't know any more than you do if it was because of the pot or anything else. Hell, if she was 6, as you describe, then her knowledge of exactly what he was on is hardly to be taken for granted anyway. So while I'm sorry for your friend, and I do suggest she has therapy if she hasn't already, she should not be considered some sort of expert on the effects of smoking marijuana because as a child she was molested by someone she thought was stoned.
:-) In fact, many former hippies swear to this rather than taking drugs.
We both know that we don't know for sure. He did this while under influence of a substance most consider "harmless" and from her quote had a very, very bad trip, that suggests something to me though.
The effects of drugs on inhibitions are well known. It's fine if you personally don't feel the need to use them, but being aware of what they do and why people use them might help you find common ground in these sort of discussions. It's got nothing do to with "our modern society" per se - recreational drug use has been around for as long as there have been people (might want to study your history of Yoga, for example).
Herbs have been used for medical use for a long time. However in our society, many millions of people are addicts and having serious problems. I'd like to help by showing there are other ways to live, for those who want to listen. I also believe that if everybody starts using it, it will affect our society in very bad ways without people noticing it.
I have no problems with people using drugs for spiritual growth based on experience and knowledge, but this is hardly the case in most homes.
I am well aware that people seek a way out of their lives. This adds to their problems, instead of facing their lives and taking a more active role. If they don't want to, there's nothing more I can do, but at least I can do what I can, and that makes me happy.
And for the record, weed doesn't "rot your brain", and it's *extremely* unlikely that weed (or hashish [note spelling]) is the sole or even an important factor in any sort of "street case" you're talking about.
I can only site from reference to those former criminals who made speeches on our school and my experience with people who take harshis regularly. It doesn't look very healthy to me, especially compared to alternatives that exists, like yoga, tai chi or chi gong and drinking lots of water
We both know research often shows whatever the researcher wants to find, but my hunch is that weed is far from harmless, in subtle ways and long-term. No meditation or yoga teacher will recommend taking drugs, quite the opposite in fact. Taking drugs in Yoga is very rare, and probably connected to holy rituals and the like, not recreational drug-abuse and escapism.
It's painfully obvious you don't know what you are talking about.
;-)
Just because I'm daring to contradict often-repeated and populistic mantras of young people? The more you repeat it, doesn't make it any more true.
Harshis" is the most dangerous drug on the streets? o.0
That is your words, not mine. You react on what I say and want to make me to look stupid so you don't have to think about the implications, thus you put words in my mouth. It simply goes against your set of beliefs and you react instead of pondering on it and act.
This is from the people I've heard who have lived on the street as drug-addicted criminals, giving intro-talks to schools etc. True, it's not my own experience (thank god!), but what they said is this: The worst cases you see on the streets is those taking harshis almost every day. Like every day, for years. They become so slugish, can barely walk and think, and suffer worse than the heroin abusers with their bad knees. They might be in the minority and really, really bad abusers of the substance, but they are the ones suffering the most permanent damage. This is what I remember was said and it sounded plausible at the time.
Your "experience" in this area is laughable. "harshis" indeed.
I come from Europe. We call it "harsh" in Norwegian. We don't use "weed" or "crack", thus I don't want to use those terms. Should I pretend I'm familiar with those terms instead, so you will accept me?
Weed rots the brain" You claim. Makes you CrAzY does it? I don't suppose you are in the movie making business because I think I've seen your earlier work under the name "Reefer Madness".
I don't know the medical terms, but people using harshis becomes dull, weak, boring and get a bad skin among other things
Weed is certainly bad for the body, but the reasons are far more pedestian than "brain rotting" which sounds like something out of a bad sci-fi flick (as does the rest of your rhetoric btw). It's bad for you in the same way smoking cigarettes is bad for you. You are filling your lungs with filthy smoke and your body is unable to effectively get rid of the contaminants. The delivery system is just plain dirty. It's that simple.
Thanks for your thorough medical explanation. So the drug itself is harmless, right? This is what you are implying, even if it's not true. Why do you want to spread a lie? Why not look up on research on THC and think about what you say next time before you correct somebody else's weak medical knowledge?
You ever hear a virgin bragging about some sexual escapade they had and it's painfully obvious to everyone but them that they are just making it up and they have absolutely no relevant experience? Well that's what you sound like.
This is just getting silly. Take a look at what you wrote.. Somehow, what I say makes me "uncool", so I must be a virgin and unexperienced. While those people who say things you agree with are of course "cool". How broad-minded!
What I see is many people spouting the same populistic mantras to each other in order to sound intellectual, without having bothered to look up on research on drugs or really look into the social problems around drugs at all. Even if THEY can control their addiction and dosage, somehow everybody else can it too, so there's no problem! And if somebody develops a problem with it, well, that's their problem! We just continue advertise drugs to everybody, even minors, saying it's cool and stuff, but don't really care about those who fall off the wagon..
I'm sorry if I'm not going to repeat the mantra. I believe in making the best and informed choices whenever possible and go for the highest goals in life. This does not exclude fun, or an ice-cream, or a video, or even slacking some, in fact, REAL fun is without drugs.
Real fun is to do what is best and feel good about what you contribute to others, among other things you can come up with. Drugs is not really fun: It is sho
We as a society have a problem when people escape from their lives instead of embracing life as it is and taking the challenges.
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You have an impression of me through these threads. But really, what you have is coming from yourself. You know nothing about me. Heck, I know very little about myself even!
If you don't want to listen, fine by me, I'm not a super-example to show to the world and I certainly am not looking to make copies of myself onto the world. I simply see we're heading for trouble, and people are suffering even when they have all they could need in the world. In fact they have more than 99.9% of the population on this planet, yet, are heading for self-destruction.
I offer a way out, not by myself, but by any means where you're heading for spirituality. Choose what you like, or don't. As I've said before, I'm simply writing this to inspire people and share my experience.
Wether I have CDs, play games, read books or whatever, is besides the question. I feel good about what I do. If you do the same, that's great!
Why do you want to stick an asshole-marker on my forehead?
I think his point was that you can't really blame pot for this guy molesting this girl, because all you're doing is taking her word for it. There's no proof one way or another that the weed is the cause, and from all other accounts weed does not make you a child molester, it makes you a twinkie molester. How do you know what this guy was thinking, before or after doing pot?
What she told us, was that he went into a trance from the "weed", going into a very bad trip. She knows him, and he would never do this in any other state and to her knowledge he has never done it again. All her confrontation with him on the subject has led her to believe he doesn't remember anything that night.
I get the poster's point, but I don't necessarily have to agree with it. There's an big distinction between understanding an argument intellectually, and agreeing with it. When somebody believes drugs are cool, they will say anything to rationalize taking drugs, making the statements more subjective rather than more objective.
I also don't have to believe every word she says, but it does seem plausible to me, and counts far more than somebody expressing his generalizing beliefs about this incident on an internet discussion board.
You don't so it's quite silly for you to blame the whole thing on weed.
That is your words, not mine.
I don't blame anything or anyone, and certainly an issue is always more complex than just one blatant black and white picture. I merely point out that taking drugs is generally poisonous for your body and have mind-altering effects. There are much better alternatives, so why take something you know it bad?
It is often so convenient to blame the person. But you know, the person is the sum of the experience and knowledge imparted on that person, making him/her behave a certain way.
And what more: It's also convenient to blame drugs, pop-culture, premature sex, society or whatnot for every problem.
I'm looking for those who take responsibility for their actions, not blaming, but choosing wisely what is best for themselves and others.
Blame is irrelevant. It makes you dull and inactive. Often, the persons doing the least is blaming the most. Taking resposibility gives you the ability to respond.
You may argue that you believe drugs have no bad effects on the body and mind, but that is another discussion. That would be to discuss the root here, which people rarely do.
Instead they attack people and their experiences, just because it doesn't match with their current beliefs. Beliefs change all the time. Why require proof of somebody's direct and personal experience? This is not a singular story I have heard either, although the research on drugs should speak for itself.
Yes, I know it's popular to repeat the mantra again and again: Weed does not harm you.
But fact is, it does. If it's pure, maybe not so much at once, but on a subtler level it does thing to your mind and body. If a whole society does weed, it will affect the whole of society. You can see it on the skin of people, and the slugish way they talk sometimes, that they have been using weed/drugs for a long time.
My experience with harshis has been only bad and I now do not believe in taking drugs for recreation. I have found something which gives me more and longer lasting pleasure. This is what I am sharing to you, but I'm beginning to think it is for deaf ears.
Weed makes you lazy, not a pederass. ...
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Weed rots your brain, especially on those who are using it alot, yes. The absolute worst cases you see on the street is in fact due to HEAVY use of harshis, not the harder stuff. But it also has diverse effects on people, not everyone reacts to it the same.
Do you smoke crack?
I tried harshis a handful of times, but on me it had worse and worse effect. Sometimes I got vibration in my chest from it that really scared me since it felt like it was the heart. Now I know better what it is, and it - along with nervous heart - is gone since I started doing yoga and breathing exercises. I was poisoning my body, now it is cleaning.
Tell Your friend to SEEK THERAPY. She should have ceased contact with this 'friend' of hers. It had nothing to do with 'dope'; he is a sexual predator! If he was also 6. It's not because of the dope. He was also molested. But the fact that she thinks it was dope, makes me believe it was an older sexual predator.
This you can state without having talked to the girl or anything.. Way to go making generalizations. She knows the guy, he was also young. You may be right he was also molested, but isn't that beyond the point? He did this one time in a trance from drugs.
Read a book. Your conclusions are based on dilusions and rationalizations of a 6 year old; not reality.
I prefer to deal with reality, not books and generalizations. I also don't claim to own the truth, I just share my experience. My experience was that her pain in the time from she was 6 years old was REAL, and she said this would not have happened if he hadn't taken that smoke. He wasn't himself.
Maybe she should have figured out how to deal with this at 6 years old without tornmenting herself, but things turned up this way no matter how much you try to excuse drugs.
Drugs, accept alcohol, do not make people do things they weren't already going to do. It makes them have more fun doing it.
Taken from somebody promoting drugs.. Do we really need advertisement for it?
People take drugs because they need a excuse for doing fun things in their lives. The drugs lowers the artificial high bars we have in our so-called "modern society" to let go, relax and just do what we feel like, not what others expect us to do. We live our entire lives on the expectations of others, even sometimes when we do the opposite! But when we drink, we have an excuse to drop all that. The sad thing is that is another social acceptable thing to do, so we're not really free even we do this!
There's no need to drink yourself up to talking with that girl. When you do, you're not really doing it anyways, the booze is doing it for you, you're not quite yourself. In fact people become quite stupid in the effect of booze.
Why use drugs to artificially lower personal inhibitions, when you can do the same in a drug-free state and really meet yourself and reality? You then also have more control, thought-processes intact and don't risk dropping those inhibitions that SHOULD NOT be dropped.
You can have as much fun as you like. Just do it, but you also have to go beyond your own fears, and be able to take ridicule and fear from others.
PS: NO ONE WANTS TO JOIN YOUR CULT.
That's okay, I don't want to join your cult either
What I'm arguing is that you can have a drug-free living with a much better and long-lasting high from doing yoga, meditation and service to the world. It is totally natural, have been practiced in the East for thousands of years and this is what everybody is seeking in drugs and other escapes from reality.
PPS: Maybe you should get some therapy too.
Way to go Mr. ad hominem attack.
What can I say after this?
I can only direct you to an article about being a fool I once read and now Google'd up for
Why escape at all?
You don't have to watch television.
You don't have to be spoon-fed "entertainment", you can BE entertaining! Yes! Be a clown, laughter is healthy!
There's so many interesting, enlightening and productive ways to live your lives. Why do people go on want to live to the lowest common denominator, and then need to escape this "life" that they have chosen?
It's strange. I used to do these things, but that was just because the others were doing it and I didn't know anything better. Now I do and am a much richer and happier person. The people I meet much more interesting, the kind that are seeking answers in life, and dare to explore the avenues no matter what other people say about things they've never tried themselves.
Yes, you abhor violence and rape, until you get hit by a bad hit and do something you would never physicall do otherwise. By the time it has been done, it would all seem like it was a dream, unreal, maybe you won't ever remember it again or your mind might deny its very existence for the rest of your life.
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I was just in a Youth Empowermemt camp with a french teenager who had sexually thing done to her at 6 years due to pot. She knows the guy on friendly terms today. He doesn't remember anything of it. She knows that he did it because of the dope that one time.
It ruined her life, she said.
You can live on the edge without knowing it. Putting poison and generally trippy stuff into your body, WILL affect you, even if you think you're invulnerable and strong. It only takes one time, to ruin somebody's life. Perhaps one of the most beautiful girls I've ever seen, feeling bad about herself since 6 years old.
You can play dice far into the game, but the chance is there you will trip and fall, fall out of grace. Ego says this happens to other people, in my experience, you gain much more by stop playing such games and finding games that enrich life fully.
Good post about stereoptypes otherwise. It's clear we should treat each others like unique human beings. Not just for the other person, but because it makes the world far more interesting for ourselves too.
Read the link in my sig for more information about the universe, life and everything
She came with this story as soon as somebody in the group mentioned the harmlessness of something as "household as pot". (Yes, I KNOW this will come..)
"It ruined my life". I will be reminded of this last sentence, since this was one of the moments in life, where you could actually touch the words in the air.
Nothing else matters. I'm doing yoga, breathing exercises and service that makes life high, healthier and interesting in so many more ways than stuffing your body with poison to experience the effects.
REAL Cops use ed!
*sigh* here we go again..
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GPL is designed to protect the freedom of the *code*. Ie. when I release a GPL-licensed work I want to retain the *users* freedom to access the code, and not become a second-grade citizen of the work. GPL does NOT restrict use, and only restricts distribution IF you make changes AND distribute your binaries. This is a must in order to protect said freedom of the *code*.
BSD is designed to protect the freedom of *individuals*, wether they want to hide their changes or not. It does not protect the freedom of the users of the software to make changes, since binaries can be distributed without source and copyright law will prevent any tinkering of the binaries. However, it does grant more freedom in making other people second-grade citizens through copyright law. Ie. you need to ask Microsoft to change or distribute the BSD-stack in the NT-kernel. Thus BSD is more commercial-friendly than the GPL, since for now, corporations thrive by sucking away the freedom of their users and rely on their ignorance.
It all amounts to:
The right tool for the right job. None of the alternatives is morally superior. It is a matter of PERSONAL and POLITICAL preference.
If you wish to discuss POLITICS, discuss politics. But to discuss GPL vs. BSD, you're missing the point. What you need to discuss is wether corporations should be doing what they are doing now, or wether we need a change in how corporations work.
It is good to learn to discuss the root, not the leaves on the tree. The leaves always changes, while the root remains and you don't get to the core.
And the core is always spiritual.