We'll just take a look at the first statistic here, but you can go ahead and take a look at all other computer/math related fields. You will notice that in all branches, women made less than men. Sometimes by as much as $30,000 a year (poor Actuaries!)
Male Computer Scientists and System Analysts made an average of $56,955 in a year. Women on the other hand made $47,797, which is almost $10,000 less. As you can see we do make less. "As long as you get payed less, for doing less work, I don't see a problem, either." I think you and I have reached an agreement. My flexible 8 hour day of 4 hours at home and 4 hours at work does seem like a fair deal suddenly, doesn't it.
I agree with you. I don't believe there is some kind of conspiracy against women in the field. I just think there's a lack of understanding. I don't think IT bosses understand what women want to do vs. what women can do for a job. That's why when it comes time to make the choice to either work full time and put your kid through day care or stay at home and leave the IT field, women are leaving the IT field.
Well then I think you should start doing some research to see what options are available to you! Or maybe you should casually bring up the idea of spending part of the work day working from home at work just to see how people will react. Or if you have a lot of seniority just go for it! I wish you the very best of luck.:)
Who says it couldn't? If you don't ask, then you won't receive. I totally support stay at home dads! Plus, I think it would be awesome if my husband and I did this. Then we could take turns doing, "Okay, if the kids want attention, it's your turn today, and I'll do it tomorrow." I think he likes to get away to work though, so since men don't ask for flexible hours, and the role of being the full time parent generally gets delegated to the woman, then that deal should be out there on the table for us. That's a stereotype that's been with us since the dawn of man, and I don't see going away any time in the near future. It's also one that most women happily accept because being a mother is the most rewarding job there is.
I think you should have actually read that article instead of just assuming you understand the problem with women in IT. If you had read it, you would have discovered you were wrong. We have no problem fitting in. We feel awkward at times for sure, but fitting in socially isn't a problem. Almost all of the women directly said that it was the hours that made the job unappealing. And who can blame them!!! Honestly, the IT world asks the impossible of women! We want to be mothers. That's a 24/7 job. We also want to be in the IT field, which is a 24/7 job. Ummm... Do the math. That's too many hours in one week. If the hours were more flexible, then it wouldn't matter. Growing up, my mother was a visiting nurse. She was able to pick her own hours. I could always count on her to pick me up at the bus stop, and for dinner to be on the table when I got home from school. There's no reason why a woman can't do most of her IT work from home, especially if she's in programming like I am. We should be required to come in for a few hours a day (maybe four or so), and to make a point to make it to every single scheduled meeting. My own team at work right now relies heavily on email to communicate anyway, so it's not like we'd be out of the loop. But if I could work from home, I could do things like vacuum or dust when I take a break instead of wasting my time reading articles on slashdot. As long as we're getting our work done, I don't see the problem.
Mmmm... Nerd brain. It is definitely more satisfying than jock brain. Nerd brain is made up of more gray matter, which is considered a delicacy amongst us cute nerd girls. We'll spend some money on a nice hair cut and clothes because hunting gray matter is clearly easier/cheaper than buying it on the black market.
Oh God... I go back to school in a few weeks... and now you have me worried about my poor computer science lab. This is exactly the kind of thing our new head of department would do because she's stupid. Now you have me worried.:S
Time to beg a cool professor for another server for us students who don't want to use Vista yet.
I probably would have laughed, but I try to keep things personal between me and the people I'm paying. They remember your name and face better if they have something out of the ordinary to remember you by. Consider yourself lucky!
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I agree with using emoticons on Slashdot. Sometimes people will read your comment too quickly, and get all huffy about something in it. However, 90% of the time, the tone that they got was not the one you intended to communicate. Even if you clearly communicate through words what your intent/tone is, sometimes people just don't get it because they read what they want to read. Faces and facial expressions are something we understand from the time we are born. So, like you said, they clearly communicate the tone of the comment.
The sorting hat was owned by Godric Gryffindor, not Ravenclaw.:-P Plus, Luna might not have been worthy enough to pull the diadem out even if it was possible. Hence why people who do not appreciate details shouldn't read Harry Potter.
I agree 100%. As a CS student I have to take all of the IT courses as well as the CS classes. I also throw in a bit of computer engineering. By doing a mix of the three, I have found I am a well rounded person. The point is, you don't need to know what you're going to do with your life right this very second. By doing a mix of things and not just focusing on one particular subject, you give yourself a lot of open doors. So, while you study all aspects of computer related stuff, you have a few years to take a look at what careers are out there in each field. You also might find you like your CS classes more than your IT courses. Or you might find that computer engineering is definitely the way you want to do. Just keep an open mind. You don't need to be pigeonholed at the age of 20.:)
Yeah to be honest... I don't have that many friends on facebook, but that's more to protect my privacy. I only allow friends to view my profile. Therefore, I only allow my real friends to be my facebook friend... Not because my self esteem is low or whatever. One of my old roommates had a goal of having 300 friends. She ended up making a lot of people just angry and annoyed when she would ask them to be her friend for the 15th time.
Actually, I can see this robot as the for-runner for a nanny bot. If it works great with autistic kids, why not enhance it a little to work with normal children? I can see the robot having some kind of camera on it that feeds directly to a parent's PDA. Then, the robot could babysit the kids with the parents looking in. It's a scary thought.
All of my guy friends wouldn't listen to me when PS3 and the Wii came out last year. I kept saying the Wii would do really well and that the PS3 was doomed to failure. They were all like, "The Wii is okay, but PS3 has this and that and this and that..." I was like, "Look. You're a small portion of the market. Parents are only going to see two numbers. The cheaper Wii and the $600 PS3. Which do you think they are going to buy for a Christmas gift for their younger kids? The Wii. You may have a lot of money, but what about guys in high school. They are working a minimum wage job. $600 for a system just isn't going to be worth it to them. No, I'm sorry, but the PS3 is too expensive, no matter what features it has." And I was right. $500 is still way too much for a system. They really need to get that number under $400 if they want to sell a bunch this Christmas. What they really should do is drop the price to $350 just for Christmas time. Like starting mid October, drop the price really cheap, and then bring it back up after New Years. Then you'll have moms who see that the system is on sale. And come on, what woman doesn't love a good sale.
No. Now you'll feel safer when traveling in Pennsylvania. This is an awesome step for the citizens of Pennsylvania in protecting our basic rights. I'm glad the kid got off! There's no reason to send a high school student for prison for breaking the law unknowingly, unless his intent was malicious. I sincerely doubt it was. This is a happy ending for what could have been an awful story.
Since when did learning become a crime? Better keep my head down in my literature courses that I take for fun. Apparently, stepping outside of the field of computer science is something worth investigating. And since when did college students keep normal work hours??? None of us work 9-5. Most of us work from like 6am to 8am or 10pm to 2am. And most of us don't have steady hours.
I found this form of justice to be true in my PA district court house. Thankfully, as soon as you start moving up, that kind of justice is bullshit and the judges know it. So, lesson to be learned: always appeal in PA if you are found guilty at district court. I hope things work out well for the kid though. I don't think his intent was malicious. It's always upsetting when a police officer wants to bust out the full of the law on some kid who was probably still in high school at the time. If the kid obeyed all of the officers orders, then I see no reason for him to have been arrested. It's not like they teach state laws in high school. You often have to learn the hard way what your rights are.
If you live in the USA, all you have to do is say, "I take the fifth." You're fine then. That prevents you from self incrimination. Plus, your Miranda rights include the right to remain silent. It's the job of the police and the forensic scientists to find the proof that you are guilty, not yours. Anything you say will be used against you later, so it's best to just remain silent, recite your Miranda rights, use the fifth amendment, or state you won't speak without legal representation if they start to question you.
I agree. I remember playing Duke Nukem when I was about 10 years old. The violence in that game was terrible enough, but back then the graphics were still really cartoony. When I watch my boyfriend play Rainbow Six: Las Vegas, it's like a totally different game even though it has the same basic idea (walk around and kill the bad guys). I think I'll stick to more family friendly games. Nintendo seems to be a big fan of the family style game, so we'll probably buy their systems for the kids (and we'll hide the Xbox and PlayStation in mine and my future husband's room... hehehehe). If it seems like I'm a parent behind the times, and my kids are playing super violent games at their friend's houses, then I might give in and go ahead and start buying those games for them as long as they are still well behaved children.
A lot of modern text books come with power points with the teacher edition. I have lots of professors who read the power point to me. And these power points are basically the chapters, word for word, only more to the point. I'm upset that I pay so much to have a power point read to me. One professor had a tablet PC though. And he would add notes to the power point as we went along in class. That was kind of cool.
It's not just the realism. I wrote a research paper on this subject. Kids find TV more disturbing than violent video games because really young children think TV is real. Since they are in control of the video game, they know that it is fake. Or at least, that's what my research showed. This isn't the first study to prove this to be honest. I had like thirty sources that had conducted this same study basically, and came back with the same results.
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Yeah, actually I do. It is relevant, or at least it is in the USA.
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This is a list of earnings that men made broken down by occupation done by the US Census Bureau.
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/earnings/ca
They also did this for women.
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/earnings/ca
We'll just take a look at the first statistic here, but you can go ahead and take a look at all other computer/math related fields. You will notice that in all branches, women made less than men. Sometimes by as much as $30,000 a year (poor Actuaries!)
Male Computer Scientists and System Analysts made an average of $56,955 in a year. Women on the other hand made $47,797, which is almost $10,000 less. As you can see we do make less. "As long as you get payed less, for doing less work, I don't see a problem, either." I think you and I have reached an agreement. My flexible 8 hour day of 4 hours at home and 4 hours at work does seem like a fair deal suddenly, doesn't it.
I agree with you. I don't believe there is some kind of conspiracy against women in the field. I just think there's a lack of understanding. I don't think IT bosses understand what women want to do vs. what women can do for a job. That's why when it comes time to make the choice to either work full time and put your kid through day care or stay at home and leave the IT field, women are leaving the IT field.
See my comments to pthor1231 above. :)
Well then I think you should start doing some research to see what options are available to you! Or maybe you should casually bring up the idea of spending part of the work day working from home at work just to see how people will react. Or if you have a lot of seniority just go for it! I wish you the very best of luck. :)
Well since women get paid less in general anyway, I don't see a problem.
Who says it couldn't? If you don't ask, then you won't receive. I totally support stay at home dads! Plus, I think it would be awesome if my husband and I did this. Then we could take turns doing, "Okay, if the kids want attention, it's your turn today, and I'll do it tomorrow." I think he likes to get away to work though, so since men don't ask for flexible hours, and the role of being the full time parent generally gets delegated to the woman, then that deal should be out there on the table for us. That's a stereotype that's been with us since the dawn of man, and I don't see going away any time in the near future. It's also one that most women happily accept because being a mother is the most rewarding job there is.
It's called implants, honey. :-P
I think you should have actually read that article instead of just assuming you understand the problem with women in IT. If you had read it, you would have discovered you were wrong. We have no problem fitting in. We feel awkward at times for sure, but fitting in socially isn't a problem. Almost all of the women directly said that it was the hours that made the job unappealing. And who can blame them!!! Honestly, the IT world asks the impossible of women! We want to be mothers. That's a 24/7 job. We also want to be in the IT field, which is a 24/7 job. Ummm... Do the math. That's too many hours in one week. If the hours were more flexible, then it wouldn't matter. Growing up, my mother was a visiting nurse. She was able to pick her own hours. I could always count on her to pick me up at the bus stop, and for dinner to be on the table when I got home from school. There's no reason why a woman can't do most of her IT work from home, especially if she's in programming like I am. We should be required to come in for a few hours a day (maybe four or so), and to make a point to make it to every single scheduled meeting. My own team at work right now relies heavily on email to communicate anyway, so it's not like we'd be out of the loop. But if I could work from home, I could do things like vacuum or dust when I take a break instead of wasting my time reading articles on slashdot. As long as we're getting our work done, I don't see the problem.
Mmmm... Nerd brain. It is definitely more satisfying than jock brain. Nerd brain is made up of more gray matter, which is considered a delicacy amongst us cute nerd girls. We'll spend some money on a nice hair cut and clothes because hunting gray matter is clearly easier/cheaper than buying it on the black market.
:)
Congrats on getting married!
Oh God... I go back to school in a few weeks... and now you have me worried about my poor computer science lab. This is exactly the kind of thing our new head of department would do because she's stupid. Now you have me worried. :S
Time to beg a cool professor for another server for us students who don't want to use Vista yet.
Wow. Hopefully you are a regular visitor of http://icanhascheezburger.com/
I probably would have laughed, but I try to keep things personal between me and the people I'm paying. They remember your name and face better if they have something out of the ordinary to remember you by. Consider yourself lucky!
I agree with using emoticons on Slashdot. Sometimes people will read your comment too quickly, and get all huffy about something in it. However, 90% of the time, the tone that they got was not the one you intended to communicate. Even if you clearly communicate through words what your intent/tone is, sometimes people just don't get it because they read what they want to read. Faces and facial expressions are something we understand from the time we are born. So, like you said, they clearly communicate the tone of the comment.
The sorting hat was owned by Godric Gryffindor, not Ravenclaw. :-P Plus, Luna might not have been worthy enough to pull the diadem out even if it was possible. Hence why people who do not appreciate details shouldn't read Harry Potter.
The Zulus are tricky, but it's Montezuma you've really got to watch out for. He just loves to back stab you.
I agree 100%. As a CS student I have to take all of the IT courses as well as the CS classes. I also throw in a bit of computer engineering. By doing a mix of the three, I have found I am a well rounded person. The point is, you don't need to know what you're going to do with your life right this very second. By doing a mix of things and not just focusing on one particular subject, you give yourself a lot of open doors. So, while you study all aspects of computer related stuff, you have a few years to take a look at what careers are out there in each field. You also might find you like your CS classes more than your IT courses. Or you might find that computer engineering is definitely the way you want to do. Just keep an open mind. You don't need to be pigeonholed at the age of 20. :)
Yeah to be honest... I don't have that many friends on facebook, but that's more to protect my privacy. I only allow friends to view my profile. Therefore, I only allow my real friends to be my facebook friend... Not because my self esteem is low or whatever. One of my old roommates had a goal of having 300 friends. She ended up making a lot of people just angry and annoyed when she would ask them to be her friend for the 15th time.
Actually, I can see this robot as the for-runner for a nanny bot. If it works great with autistic kids, why not enhance it a little to work with normal children? I can see the robot having some kind of camera on it that feeds directly to a parent's PDA. Then, the robot could babysit the kids with the parents looking in. It's a scary thought.
All of my guy friends wouldn't listen to me when PS3 and the Wii came out last year. I kept saying the Wii would do really well and that the PS3 was doomed to failure. They were all like, "The Wii is okay, but PS3 has this and that and this and that..." I was like, "Look. You're a small portion of the market. Parents are only going to see two numbers. The cheaper Wii and the $600 PS3. Which do you think they are going to buy for a Christmas gift for their younger kids? The Wii. You may have a lot of money, but what about guys in high school. They are working a minimum wage job. $600 for a system just isn't going to be worth it to them. No, I'm sorry, but the PS3 is too expensive, no matter what features it has." And I was right. $500 is still way too much for a system. They really need to get that number under $400 if they want to sell a bunch this Christmas. What they really should do is drop the price to $350 just for Christmas time. Like starting mid October, drop the price really cheap, and then bring it back up after New Years. Then you'll have moms who see that the system is on sale. And come on, what woman doesn't love a good sale.
No. Now you'll feel safer when traveling in Pennsylvania. This is an awesome step for the citizens of Pennsylvania in protecting our basic rights. I'm glad the kid got off! There's no reason to send a high school student for prison for breaking the law unknowingly, unless his intent was malicious. I sincerely doubt it was. This is a happy ending for what could have been an awful story.
Since when did learning become a crime? Better keep my head down in my literature courses that I take for fun. Apparently, stepping outside of the field of computer science is something worth investigating. And since when did college students keep normal work hours??? None of us work 9-5. Most of us work from like 6am to 8am or 10pm to 2am. And most of us don't have steady hours.
I found this form of justice to be true in my PA district court house. Thankfully, as soon as you start moving up, that kind of justice is bullshit and the judges know it. So, lesson to be learned: always appeal in PA if you are found guilty at district court. I hope things work out well for the kid though. I don't think his intent was malicious. It's always upsetting when a police officer wants to bust out the full of the law on some kid who was probably still in high school at the time. If the kid obeyed all of the officers orders, then I see no reason for him to have been arrested. It's not like they teach state laws in high school. You often have to learn the hard way what your rights are.
If you live in the USA, all you have to do is say, "I take the fifth." You're fine then. That prevents you from self incrimination. Plus, your Miranda rights include the right to remain silent. It's the job of the police and the forensic scientists to find the proof that you are guilty, not yours. Anything you say will be used against you later, so it's best to just remain silent, recite your Miranda rights, use the fifth amendment, or state you won't speak without legal representation if they start to question you.
I agree. I remember playing Duke Nukem when I was about 10 years old. The violence in that game was terrible enough, but back then the graphics were still really cartoony. When I watch my boyfriend play Rainbow Six: Las Vegas, it's like a totally different game even though it has the same basic idea (walk around and kill the bad guys). I think I'll stick to more family friendly games. Nintendo seems to be a big fan of the family style game, so we'll probably buy their systems for the kids (and we'll hide the Xbox and PlayStation in mine and my future husband's room... hehehehe). If it seems like I'm a parent behind the times, and my kids are playing super violent games at their friend's houses, then I might give in and go ahead and start buying those games for them as long as they are still well behaved children.
A lot of modern text books come with power points with the teacher edition. I have lots of professors who read the power point to me. And these power points are basically the chapters, word for word, only more to the point. I'm upset that I pay so much to have a power point read to me. One professor had a tablet PC though. And he would add notes to the power point as we went along in class. That was kind of cool.
It's not just the realism. I wrote a research paper on this subject. Kids find TV more disturbing than violent video games because really young children think TV is real. Since they are in control of the video game, they know that it is fake. Or at least, that's what my research showed. This isn't the first study to prove this to be honest. I had like thirty sources that had conducted this same study basically, and came back with the same results.