That WAS one case. The original crop was not intentionally planted on his property. The fact that he took advantage of the situation should be irrelevant. He lost, but because the first crop wasn't intentional Monsato also lost.
The infringing farmers took concerted action, over several years, to isolate and propagate the seeds, and then benefited from the patented gene by spraying their fields with glyphosate.
Since it isn't mentioned in either of TFAs I'll take your word for it. But I don't believe the issue is that they had or didn't have a strain of Monsato's designed food. The question is, who owns the second generation of seeds?
They way I understand it, you patent a process. I'm pretty sure Monsato didn't patent farming, and growing. So what process did these farmers break?
That is, in this case, a good point. Here farmers were knowingly replanting seed they had purchased..
They didn't "replant" the seed. The legally purchased the seed, and it grew. The new product produced new seeds. These seeds were what was replanted. This is kind of like grandparents claiming their grandchildren belong to them.
Serious money? You know we aren't really talking about "serious" money here. He claims the savings is $300 a year, which isn't serious money. One thing to keep in mind is, a VPS will be upgraded to newer hardware overtime. And if you want to do the same, you need to take that into consideration.
I think it said "consumers are reimbursed for stolen funds", which you say you were. It doesn't talk about being reimbursed for side affects. In addition this was mostly about passwords. Did they steal your credit cards because of weak passwords?
Sounds to me like you anecdote confirms the research.
Bullshit, of course you're deceiving them. You cannot expect normal human beings to question all their assumptions 24/7.
In some circumstances you ARE supposed to question them. And that is the whole point. Its one thing when the secretary assumes the printer guy is the printer guy, its another when its the guard at the front door.
Stop falling for the propaganda (aka P.R.) there is no such thing as I.P. it was created to fool people into merging all concepts into 1 generic term for the benefit of the industry. In addition, it is called Property when it is not property or even tangible!
Don't be circular in your definition. It is called "property" because it is something you own. In the case of copyright, you own the right to copy, and in patent you own the right to use the process. Just because you don't like the name doesn't mean it shouldn't be used.
It becomes an interesting situation. If I write a book, then give someone else the copyright, does the copyright still end when I die? If not then the older one gets, the quicker one should sign away their rights.
But why should someone else benefit as soon as I die? If I want to provide for my children, and I'm a cabinet maker, I can make a bunch of cabinets and give to my children, so they can sell after I die. But if I'm an author, and I finish the story the day before I die, my children (or wife) are out of luck? If that is the case, perhaps I just won't bother writing the story, or letting it get out.
eBooks are 100% about convenience, and 0% about price
For you maybe. I like my ebook because it is convenient, and when I bought it, ebooks were cheaper. Then Apple decided to screw the customers over.
I've already payed several hundred dollars for the convenience when I purchased my reader. I don't also need to pay that for each book
don't forgot you also loss the convenience of reselling your book
I don't think that eBooks really should cost much less than print book.
I guess it depends on your definition of "less"
I can get mass market paperbacks from B&N for 10% off the cover price. So I refuse to pay more than 10% off the cover price for an ebook. Yet ebooks are routinely equal to or more than the mass market paperback. Thanks to Apple
The big winners (from me at least) in this fiasco were independent authors. As that is pretty much all I read right now.
How is this case absurd? Apple colluded with the publishers to reduce competition in the market place. It had nothing to do with Amazon selling below cost.
So the first one needs to be sold for $100,000 and then the rest are free?
How much it costs to produce an item isn't really reflected in the price
And it isn't free for the additional copies either.
Who in their right mind would want every company/web site to know all of the intimate details of what they're doing on every other web site?
Most people would not want that.
But most people don't care. First of all most people don't even know, or consider what is actually happened. Secondly it is convenient for most people. And thats pretty much why it will continue.
I understand that disk drives are VERY expensive, and they can only store 8-12 characters.
But I don't understand the excuse for NOT allowing non alphanumeric characters. Sure maybe they are afraid of SQL injection, but why not accept things like, oh say a period.
Makes me wonder how poor the rest of their code is
I think the best thing a kid can do, before going to college, is be a kid. Let him enjoy the summer, it might be his last chance to have a few months with almost no responsibilities. Spending some time over the summer picking up some skills may make his first semester easier. But it won't make him more money when he graduates.
Let him go have fun.
I'm sorry, I must disagree completely. You shouldn't leave it to the school you're attending to figure out which language is best for you,
If you are trying to get a head start on your schooling, and maybe making your first semester in school easier, you should absolutely leave it to the school you are attending. He'll have 4 more years to learn other languages, if the school isn't teaching the "right" languages.
There are millions of businesses that have been successfully started without begging for money.
VERY few business have successfully started without begging for money.
But, to be clear, I enjoy seeing these people fail because they generally give little to no consideration towards actually creating a viable business.
The point behind kickstarter isn't necessarily to start a business. It is to crowd fund a project. You know the kind, "Hey if we get 10 people to go in together, we can get this done." I'm not saying people aren't using it to start a business, but I would claim that most aren't.
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That WAS one case. The original crop was not intentionally planted on his property. The fact that he took advantage of the situation should be irrelevant. He lost, but because the first crop wasn't intentional Monsato also lost.
I don't think anyone is sued for unintentional infringement. And while this is a Canadian suit, this farmer claimed he never planted the seed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc._v._Schmeiser
The infringing farmers took concerted action, over several years, to isolate and propagate the seeds, and then benefited from the patented gene by spraying their fields with glyphosate.
Since it isn't mentioned in either of TFAs I'll take your word for it. But I don't believe the issue is that they had or didn't have a strain of Monsato's designed food. The question is, who owns the second generation of seeds?
They way I understand it, you patent a process. I'm pretty sure Monsato didn't patent farming, and growing. So what process did these farmers break?
That is, in this case, a good point. Here farmers were knowingly replanting seed they had purchased..
They didn't "replant" the seed. The legally purchased the seed, and it grew. The new product produced new seeds. These seeds were what was replanted. This is kind of like grandparents claiming their grandchildren belong to them.
Serious money? You know we aren't really talking about "serious" money here. He claims the savings is $300 a year, which isn't serious money. One thing to keep in mind is, a VPS will be upgraded to newer hardware overtime. And if you want to do the same, you need to take that into consideration.
Does it take into account the son that wants to run a Minecraft server?
Uhm, that was the ENTIRE point of the analysis. So yeah I think it took that into account
TFS says "upgrading an extra PC..."
I think it said "consumers are reimbursed for stolen funds", which you say you were. It doesn't talk about being reimbursed for side affects. In addition this was mostly about passwords. Did they steal your credit cards because of weak passwords?
Sounds to me like you anecdote confirms the research.
Does Gates not know about Python? Python IMO is a whole lot easier to learn than BASIC ever was and you can do a lot more with it.
They are both turing complete languages. So what can you do in Python that can't be done in BASIC?
Slap a few libraries on ANY language and you get do anything in less lines of codes. That's what libraries are for.
False dilemma. Profit seeking capitalists have done far more good for the world than philanthropists.
I'm going to go down to my local Carnegie Library and look that up...
Consider the facts, and ask yourself: are you willing to let them get away with this?
They can get away with it, as long as they bring me my Breakfast Mountain Dew
Bullshit, of course you're deceiving them. You cannot expect normal human beings to question all their assumptions 24/7.
In some circumstances you ARE supposed to question them. And that is the whole point. Its one thing when the secretary assumes the printer guy is the printer guy, its another when its the guard at the front door.
Stop falling for the propaganda (aka P.R.) there is no such thing as I.P. it was created to fool people into merging all concepts into 1 generic term for the benefit of the industry. In addition, it is called Property when it is not property or even tangible!
Don't be circular in your definition. It is called "property" because it is something you own. In the case of copyright, you own the right to copy, and in patent you own the right to use the process. Just because you don't like the name doesn't mean it shouldn't be used.
It becomes an interesting situation. If I write a book, then give someone else the copyright, does the copyright still end when I die? If not then the older one gets, the quicker one should sign away their rights.
But why should someone else benefit as soon as I die? If I want to provide for my children, and I'm a cabinet maker, I can make a bunch of cabinets and give to my children, so they can sell after I die. But if I'm an author, and I finish the story the day before I die, my children (or wife) are out of luck? If that is the case, perhaps I just won't bother writing the story, or letting it get out.
Publishers should be able to price their product at whatever levels they want.
You are right. But publishers shouldn't be able to specify the price the middle sales to the public.
eBooks are 100% about convenience, and 0% about price
For you maybe. I like my ebook because it is convenient, and when I bought it, ebooks were cheaper. Then Apple decided to screw the customers over.
I've already payed several hundred dollars for the convenience when I purchased my reader. I don't also need to pay that for each book
don't forgot you also loss the convenience of reselling your book
I don't think that eBooks really should cost much less than print book.
I guess it depends on your definition of "less"
I can get mass market paperbacks from B&N for 10% off the cover price. So I refuse to pay more than 10% off the cover price for an ebook. Yet ebooks are routinely equal to or more than the mass market paperback. Thanks to Apple
The big winners (from me at least) in this fiasco were independent authors. As that is pretty much all I read right now.
How is this case absurd? Apple colluded with the publishers to reduce competition in the market place. It had nothing to do with Amazon selling below cost.
So the first one needs to be sold for $100,000 and then the rest are free?
How much it costs to produce an item isn't really reflected in the price
And it isn't free for the additional copies either.
Who in their right mind would want every company/web site to know all of the intimate details of what they're doing on every other web site?
Most people would not want that.
But most people don't care. First of all most people don't even know, or consider what is actually happened. Secondly it is convenient for most people. And thats pretty much why it will continue.
I like how a forum, for a small community, has better password requirements than my bank does.
I understand that disk drives are VERY expensive, and they can only store 8-12 characters.
But I don't understand the excuse for NOT allowing non alphanumeric characters. Sure maybe they are afraid of SQL injection, but why not accept things like, oh say a period.
Makes me wonder how poor the rest of their code is
I think the best thing a kid can do, before going to college, is be a kid. Let him enjoy the summer, it might be his last chance to have a few months with almost no responsibilities. Spending some time over the summer picking up some skills may make his first semester easier. But it won't make him more money when he graduates.
Let him go have fun.
I'm sorry, I must disagree completely. You shouldn't leave it to the school you're attending to figure out which language is best for you,
If you are trying to get a head start on your schooling, and maybe making your first semester in school easier, you should absolutely leave it to the school you are attending. He'll have 4 more years to learn other languages, if the school isn't teaching the "right" languages.
Where is my hoverboard?
There are millions of businesses that have been successfully started without begging for money.
VERY few business have successfully started without begging for money.
But, to be clear, I enjoy seeing these people fail because they generally give little to no consideration towards actually creating a viable business.
The point behind kickstarter isn't necessarily to start a business. It is to crowd fund a project. You know the kind, "Hey if we get 10 people to go in together, we can get this done." I'm not saying people aren't using it to start a business, but I would claim that most aren't.