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Is the Era of Groundbreaking Science Over?

An anonymous reader writes "In decades and centuries past, scientific genius was easy to quantify. Those scientists who were able to throw off the yoke of established knowledge and break new ground on their own are revered and respected. But as humanity, as a species, has gotten better at science, and the basics of most fields have been refined over and over, it's become much harder for any one scientist to make a mark on the field. There's still plenty we don't know, but so much of it is highly specialized that many breakthroughs are understood by only a handful. Even now, the latest generation is more likely to be familiar with the great popularizers of science, like Neil deGrasse Tyson, Bill Nye, and Carl Sagan, than of the researchers at the forefront of any particular field. "...most scientific fields aren't in the type of crisis that would enable paradigm shifts, according to Thomas Kuhn's classic view of scientific revolutions. Simonton argues that instead of finding big new ideas, scientists currently work on the details in increasingly specialized and precise ways." Will we ever again see a scientist get recognition like Einstein did?"

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  1. stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is the Era of Groundbreaking Science Over?
    No.

    1. Re:stupid. by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes.

        Everything that can be invented has been invented.

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    2. Re:stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Righ, which explains why the patent office is so far behind on issuing patents

    3. Re:stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, stupidest question ever...

    4. Re:stupid. by CodeBuster · · Score: 2

      Everything that can be invented has been invented.

      Does that mean that we can close the US Patent Office now? The fewer bullshit software and business method patents that get approved going forward the better.

    5. Re:stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, stupid is right
      if the orig poster knew anything about biotechnology, he or she would know that in the next 50 years we are going to see transformative technology tht will make electricity and agriculture seem tame

      An old story: in the late 1800s, young students like W Pauli and A Einstein were told not to go into physics, as all the important discoverys had been made

      or, as R Feynman said, next time you hear a physicist boasting, ask him what happens when you push water thru a pipe - he can't tell you !!

    6. Re:stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Everything that can be invented has been invented.
      >
      It is difficult not to mock this inane statement, so I will not even try.

      Is the era of groundbreaking science over? You could argue that science today requires hardware like the LHC and its thousands of attendant researchers. However, this is "merely" experimental science on a grand scale. At the opposite end of the scale, we have the discovery of graphene and its relation to 3M Scotch tape.

      Cutting-edge science at the end of the 19th century required well-equipped laboratories, but then a patent examiner with a curious mind started asking questions that led to general relativity.

      A century later, the Standard Model and the Big Bang are being actively investigated by not a handful but an army of curious minds both inside and outside academia -- and this is only one aspect of Science with a capital 'S'.

      I much prefer to think of this in terms of that Scottish sailor and Russian Imperial Navy Rear Commander, John Paul Jones: "I have not yet begun to fight!"

    7. Re:stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

      Everything that has been invented, can be invented.

    8. Re:stupid. by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      Well, the GP got the quote's origin wrong. It's from 1899, and (you may be happy to hear) was widely believed to have been uttered by someone trying to close the patent office... but, alas, it was actually satirical.

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    9. Re:stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The beauty of science is that one answer creates several more questions. And even if these questions are more and more specialised, there will always be something to discover. Universe isn't static, so by definition it is changing, so even if we discover everything there is to discover, in a month or two, on a cosmic scale, another phenomena worth investigating will occur. And even if we deplete the pool of possible phenomena, there are (or could be) other universes to discover with different physical constants, laws of physics and so on, which means more research and more discoveries.

    10. Re:stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show me these:
            a self-microwaving TV dinner
            a flying submarine
            an instant cooler - the opposite of a microwave

    11. Re:stupid. by ANonyMouser · · Score: 0

      No, Heck no. There are just far to many important steps being taken in quantum mechanics, field theory, general relativity etc etc. Just a few months ago I read a paper describing the experimental verification of quantum state correlation occurring backwards in time! What ever the heck is actually going in the world around us, it is most definitely NOT what we think we see. There is much more to do.

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    12. Re:stupid. by Gerzel · · Score: 1

      Yeah. They talked about this in Newton's day, Aristotle's too.

    13. Re:stupid. by CurunirAran · · Score: 1

      An Instant Cooler is called a fridge/freezer. A Flying submarine is an airplane/blimp. A self-microwaving TV dinner - well ether you get exposed to microwaves, or it sucks heat out of the environment, something that's a lot more work than using a microwave.

    14. Re:stupid. by symbolset · · Score: 2

      Since nobody else here is going to do it (/., you disappoint me again), the quote you are looking for is:

      Everything that can be invented has been invented.

      This appears to be an urban legend. The quote is often misattributed to Charles Holland Duell who in 1902 said:

      In my opinion, all previous advances in the various lines of invention will appear totally insignificant when compared with those which the present century will witness. I almost wish that I might live my life over again to see the wonders which are at the threshold.

      Or perhaps Patent Officer Henry Ellsworth who in his 1843 report to Congress said:

      The advancement of the arts, from year to year, taxes our credulity and seems to presage the arrival of that period when human improvement must end.

      That latter quote being twisted and misattributed to Duell after the fact also.

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    15. Re:stupid. by azalin · · Score: 1

      Well, sarcasm detectors didn't really improve during this time...

    16. Re:stupid. by azalin · · Score: 2

      Heating by chemical reaction. There are already several ways to do this (some less toxic then others) used for field rations or hot coffee.

    17. Re:stupid. by c9brown · · Score: 1

      Is the era of headings written as questions over?
      Unfortunately, also no.

    18. Re:stupid. by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      Some years ago, slashdot featured a guy building a HERF gun on his own. The link was quickly broken and those HERF gun plans are likely on the net somewhere, choked by the tons of fake articles about free energy and alternative science.

      The answer is: yes, but you are not likely to ever hear about it, especially if it frees up the individual. This likely has been true since somebody figured out the eclipses.

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    19. Re:stupid. by artao · · Score: 1

      agreed. what an utterly ridiculous question.
      Is the era of ridiculous questions posed by dumb-asses over?
      apparently not

    20. Re:stupid. by RoboJ1M · · Score: 1

      Yes it is.
      Right up until the point it isn't any more.
      That's kind of the point of ground breaking science isn't it?

    21. Re:stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and I shouldn't need more than 640k, right?

    22. Re:stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

      Everything that can be invented has been patented!

      As well as a lot things that can not be invented!

    23. Re:stupid. by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Asking will we ever see another Einstein??? Who is this fucktard the previous person to be viewed at the same level of Genius was Sir Isaac Newton!

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    24. Re:stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nor is he saying it is, if you actually read the article you'll see that he is saying that science is in better health than ever, because of that, it is very specialized in the "groundbreaking" department and only a few actually understand how groundbreaking something s or not.

      The rest of the world is also very educated in terms of scientific knowledge and is very hard for one scientist to appear and shake they knowledge in a certain area.

      That's what the article is about. If you want to comment please comment on that not on the tittle that unfortunately was only chosen for marketing reasons it seems

    25. Re:stupid. by bigbrownepaul · · Score: 0

      No, you only have to look at the LHC project to know thats true.

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    26. Re:stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot.

    27. Re:stupid. by sebt3 · · Score: 1

      Indeed.
      There are breaktrough every month in science. Imho this is a breaktrough. Not one that will change our life... at least now.
      With the LHC, fundamental physists are learning a lot. And I hope they will finally find that "reunion" theory (a real breakthrough) in the next 20 years...

      We all come here to have a view on science progress. That's the point of /.
      Geez the fun times are ahead not behind.

      Beside, it's a matter of funding, Einstein had a nearly illimited budget. He could do any of the tests he wanted. Nowadays scientists have to beg to get anything. And even there, large progress is done.

    28. Re:stupid. by digitig · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      Everything that can be invented has been invented.

      What, again?

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    29. Re:stupid. by sesshomaru · · Score: 1

      "A tree cannot find out, as it were, how to blossom, until comes blossom-time. A social growth cannot find out the use of steam engines, until comes steam-engine-time." -- Charles Fort

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    30. Re:stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're American, right?

    31. Re:stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do believe they said this back several times in the past- and they were shown to be wrong. The problem is more one of we're too busy worrying about buying influence with projects and programs that bring nothing but turning the people into serfs/slaves and the "Elites" that're the real 1% along with those they've basically placed in charge of "managing" us.

    32. Re:stupid. by metamarmoset · · Score: 1

      By Apple. *ducks*

    33. Re:stupid. by mog007 · · Score: 1

      The same question was asked about 110 years ago in the field of physics. Everything that was seen could be described with Newton's laws of motion, or Maxwell's equations.

      There were only a few open questions left in the entirety of physics. Then relativity and quantum mechanics were discovered.

      You can't have that kind of hubris and also be a scientist.

    34. Re:stupid. by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Agreed...someone is trying to sell a book.

    35. Re:stupid. by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      I completely agree, Fracking is as popular as ever.

    36. Re:stupid. by schlachter · · Score: 1

      in other news...everything that can be posted to slashdot, has already been posted to slashdot.

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    37. Re:stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's over only because of the rejection of science by a post-modern world...if science as we understood it was practiced today as it was just 50 years ago, science would continue to steamroll...

    38. Re:stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a fellow back in the 1870s who quit his job at the Patent Office because he believed that.

    39. Re:stupid. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      "640 inventions ottah be enough for anyone" - B. Gates

    40. Re:stupid. by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      Where is my hoverboard?

    41. Re:stupid. by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Maybe THIS era is. But science and technology doesn't progress steadily. It jumps in fits and starts.

      I can identify a rough 700 year cycle to it. Rough because it varies from 2 to 15 centuries between the peaks and troughs, but the average is about 7 centuries.

      We are just completing a peak. The dark ages are coming. They will be typified, I believe, by growing worship of science and a resulting denial of the main tenant of all rational religion, that no scientific or theological model made by a finite human brain can possibly be 100% correct. But sometime between 2200 and 3500 A.D. there *will* be another renaissance, and we WILL see changes in paradigm and growth anew.

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    42. Re:stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is the Era of Groundbreaking Science Journalism Over?
      Yes.

    43. Re:stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, it has seriously diminished as government control and red-tape have increased...

    44. Re:stupid. by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Is the Era of Groundbreaking Science Over?
      No.

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      With Patent trolls and the way patents are issued, the answer is YES.

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    45. Re:stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe.

      It may happen a few times that a new breakthrough comes after a period of stagnation. But one time must be the last. It could be this time...

    46. Re:stupid. by symbolset · · Score: 1

      "You can't make a steam engine because I have a patent on the basic tech. I can't make a steam engine that works well because you have a patent on every possible advancement of and use of the tech. You and I are both fucked, but not as much as people who need food delivered by efficient steam engines, tens of millions of whom will die of starvation for our greed before our patents expire." - me, describing the steam engine patent situation from the POV of James Watt.

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  2. Short Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NO

  3. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    New improvements in science and technology have given scientists tools to better explore and understand our world. The era of ground breaking science is not over. It is always accelerating.

    1. Re:No by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is groundbreaking science over? No, not remotely. Is the era where groundbreaking science is publicized and sort of vaguely understood by a lot of non-scientists over? Probably not, but that's at least closer to the truth.

      Sorry to self reply, but another thought: the only reason people ask this stupid question or make the implied statement is that there's just do damn much groundbreaking science done today. Yes, it's harder to stand out than it was a couple hundred years ago. No, it's not because progress is slower - it's just ubiquitous. Science is more amazing than ever and in a hundred years it will be more amazing yet.

      Shit, I think I'm arguing for the existence of something analogous to Kurzweil's moronic singularity.

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    2. Re:No by msauve · · Score: 1

      Where's my cold fusion?

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    3. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't anyone know how to use a search engine..

      http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-family.html

    4. Re:No by binarylarry · · Score: 0

      I dunno doesn't a perpetual motion machine make cold fusion kind of superfluous?

      Haha, just kidding... they're the same thing!

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    5. Re:No by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Cold Fusion does not necessarily break the laws of thermodynamics.

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    6. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THANK YOU.
      We are doing today what scientists only DREAMED of in yesteryears.
      The easy problems were solved by the Einsteins and Newtons. Yes they were brilliant, but the problems had fewer degrees of freedom. We are now attacking complexity, the beast from hell itself.

    7. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, Vernor Vinge, not Kurzweil, started talking about the "singularity" before anyone else (in the early 1980s).

    8. Re:No by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      Meh, those are more engineering than science. But I think there are a lot more opportunities for groundbreaking engineering at this point.

      To add some more practical things to your list:

      Robotic Cars
      Cheap, sustainable houses (there's a LOT of improvement we could still stand to have there)
      Asteroid mining
      Optimized education (still a LOT of improvement to be made here, and not by just throwing computing devices at it)
      Gene therapy (since human evolution has pretty much stopped since there aren't any selective pressures)

    9. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Science is also a lot more collaborative today, so a lot of science builds gradually rather than with a single paper/discovery. The era of the isolated scientist probably is largely over, as is the idea of one giant paper showing the discovery - there are a lot of incentives to spread a result over several papers from the scientist's perspective and frankly it is better for the scientific community to be able to pick at the ideas more gradually rather than trying to find a flaw in someone's life's work delivered as a whole.

    10. Re:No by cyborg_zx · · Score: 1

      "Gene therapy (since human evolution has pretty much stopped since there aren't any selective pressures)"

      Where are you getting the idea from the genetics no longer has any bearing on reproductive success from?

    11. Re:No by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      ... in a hundred years it will be more amazing yet.

      No, by then we should be done.

      Or at least that's what some journalist on Mars will be saying...

    12. Re:No by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      Natural selection, how does it work?

      Sure, every once in a while, someone wins a Darwin Award for doing something stupid. But by and large, aside from some reproductive defects, just about everyone has a shot at keeping their broken code in the gene pool.

      So unless someone wants to try their hand at widespread artificial selection again, the next best thing would be to learn how to treat the deficiencies caused by broken genetic code. And maybe even eventually figure out how to grow humans with better vision, bigger brains, etc., once we get over parts of the GMO debate.

  4. No by binarylarry · · Score: 0

    Flying Cars
    Teleportation
    Holodeck
    Perpetual Motion Machine

    No

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  5. Tyson? by R0UTE · · Score: 0

    You dare mention a man that was partly responsible for downgrading Pluto? Shame!

    1. Re:Tyson? by msauve · · Score: 1

      Did you ever think about Pluto and Goofy? I mean - Goofy is Mickey's peer, and Pluto is his slave. Like Ferengi women, he's not allowed to wear clothing. Not very politically correct of Disney.

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    2. Re:Tyson? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, maybe if Pluto learned to talk he could be treated like a talking mouse's peer.

  6. The era of Groundbreaking Physics was over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until Einstein, Planck, Bohr, and the quantum mechanics scientists came along and ushered in a new golden age. Before that, the field was considered about 98 percent solved.

    1. Re:The era of Groundbreaking Physics was over by mbkennel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No it wasn't.

      No scientist knew if atoms were real or not, and they knew it, and they had no mechanistic explanation for the regularities in the recently understood periodic table, and they knew it. They had no mechanistic quantitative explanation for chemical reactions or reaction rates, and knew it.

      Right now, physicists know that they have no good, experimentally confirmed, ideas for explaining

      a) dark matter
      b) dark energy
      c) the variety of arbitrary parameters in the standard model

      They have an large selection of theoretical proposals for the above.

      Today they do have good knowledge about virtually all materials and energetic processes typically occurring and observable on Earth,
      That's a difference from the 19th century.

    2. Re:The era of Groundbreaking Physics was over by Tagged_84 · · Score: 1

      The book I'm reading at the moment, The God Problem, has a nice theory* replacing dark energy with gravity by proposing the shape of our universe as a 3D torus (or bagel as described in the book). I'm only about 10% of the way through, pretty big book, but finding it entertaining so far and if it continues to hold up in the face of verifiable data it would change our entire view of the universe. It's even calculated the potential end of the universe, when it annihilates with it's anti-matter cousin, as being under 2 billion years away and back to a cyclical pattern, which I find comforting compared to the deep freeze!

      *It's not a new theory as the torus hypothesis has been around for awhile, but the data matching up with the shape does lend more creditability.

    3. Re:The era of Groundbreaking Physics was over by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Today they do have good knowledge about virtually all materials and energetic processes typically occurring and observable on Earth,
      That's a difference from the 19th century.

      Derived consequence: progress will be slow until we'll see a jump at least one order of magnitude (if not more) in either:
      1. energies available to use during an experiment; or
      2. capacity to sense and sift the irrelevant from what the universe throws at us

      Without the above to confirm/falsify the theories, everything is a matter of "scientific faith" (the "church of strings", the "congregation of super-string", the "church of the standard model")

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    4. Re:The era of Groundbreaking Physics was over by ganv · · Score: 1

      mbkennel is right. Before the quantum revolution there were a few people who declared that they understood almost everything (Michelson's quote is famous), but the wiser ones clearly knew that they could not explain many properties of matter including discrete spectra, heat capacities, and most of chemistry. Check a biography of Lord Kelvin to note how early these problems were clearly appreciated. The three mysteries s/he cites are a good summary. Note how huge the difference is between today and the 19th century. The first two mysteries have no currently observable effects on scales much smaller than a galaxy. And the third is a 'we don't know why the universe has a specific set of parameters' question. Answering it will be extremely interesting, but there are not a bunch of practically important unexplained phenomena waiting to be united with our deeper understanding if it arrives.

    5. Re:The era of Groundbreaking Physics was over by ganv · · Score: 0

      You are after increases in our experimental capabilities, but mbkennel is talking about something else. The materials and processes relevant to our lives on earth are largely understood at a fundamental level. That is a major difference that isn't going to be changed by more precise experiments. Say we can measure collisions at 500 TeV rather than 8 TeV currently. It may produce a breakthrough in particle physics. But what materials and processes relevant to our lives will be revolutionized? (Now of course we can't predict the behavior of many things relevant to our lives, and there are major breakthroughs available there, but it won't be in fundamental physics).

    6. Re:The era of Groundbreaking Physics was over by Cacadril · · Score: 1

      But the reason Einstein could gain such a recognition in the general society is that up to his day the fundamental principles of physics were eminently understandable, but he introduced Weirdness, and his Weirdness was soon confirmed by observations, so the High Priests of physics (gradually) told the public that this Weirdness was right. Thanks to Einstein's own popularization, the public was exposed to an exposition that was largely understandable on a step by step basis, even if when rounding it all up at the end it was incomprehensible to most. Today the fundamental principles are incomprehensible from the very beginning, and they have been that way for some time. Anyone that makes similar breakthroughs at the fundamental level as Einstein did, will likely be perceived as someone who just replaces a book of incomprehensible mathematical formulas for another equally incomprehensible. There will be streams of articles in Scientific American, New Scientist, etc, but these articles will simply not make much sense. Al this makes i tharder to gain a similar recognition as Einstein had.

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    7. Re:The era of Groundbreaking Physics was over by c0lo · · Score: 1

      You are after increases in our experimental capabilities, but mbkennel is talking about something else. The materials and processes relevant to our lives on earth are largely understood at a fundamental level. That is a major difference that isn't going to be changed by more precise experiments. Say we can measure collisions at 500 TeV rather than 8 TeV currently. It may produce a breakthrough in particle physics. But what materials and processes relevant to our lives will be revolutionized? (Now of course we can't predict the behavior of many things relevant to our lives, and there are major breakthroughs available there, but it won't be in fundamental physics).

      Ah, I see... we are squabbling over the groundbreaking advances (your position: we know enough about them) or groundshattering (my position: there's more than what we have on Earth).

      As for how much would the later influence our life, I'm a lot more optimistic than you... say for example, as the result of a correct ToE, the teleportation is shown as possible and feasible... it wouldn't be long until we would stop worrying about NK experimenting with rockets (one less worry, a happier life <grin>).

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    8. Re:The era of Groundbreaking Physics was over by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2

      No it wasn't.

      No scientist knew if atoms were real or not, and they knew it, and they had no mechanistic explanation for the regularities in the recently understood periodic table, and they knew it. They had no mechanistic quantitative explanation for chemical reactions or reaction rates, and knew it.

      Right now, physicists know that they have no good, experimentally confirmed, ideas for explaining

      a) dark matter b) dark energy c) the variety of arbitrary parameters in the standard model

      They have an large selection of theoretical proposals for the above.

      Today they do have good knowledge about virtually all materials and energetic processes typically occurring and observable on Earth, That's a difference from the 19th century.

      And that's just physics. There are similar lists in biology, genetics, pscychology. sociology, economics, chemistry...

    9. Re:The era of Groundbreaking Physics was over by noobermin · · Score: 1

      Not quite. There are some things still not quite understood...for example, there are exceptions in the periodic table that have not been solved by QM...

      I'd do s/all/most on your post. Besides that, you're right.

    10. Re:The era of Groundbreaking Physics was over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Einstein Nobel Prize was not for Relativity. He won the Nobel Prize for explanation of the photoelectric effect - quantization of light. The photon. Everything we have is kind of pivotal on this. From lasers to transistors to solar panels.

      Relativity is kind of important for things like GPS, but back in the day, no one really saw it as that important to daily life.

      Anyway, "weirdness" you are talking about is about Quantum Mechanics. Einstein didn't like Quantum Mechanics. Today we know we was wrong by saying "god doesn't play dice".

    11. Re:The era of Groundbreaking Physics was over by careysub · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >

      Anyway, "weirdness" you are talking about is about Quantum Mechanics. Einstein didn't like Quantum Mechanics. Today we know we was wrong by saying "god doesn't play dice".

      Time slowing the faster you go is weird. Matter and energy being the same is weird. Gravity warping space and slowing time is weird. Plenty of weird stuff came from Einstein.

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    12. Re:The era of Groundbreaking Physics was over by del_diablo · · Score: 1

      Not in genetics or pschychology. There is lacking a lot on those fields, yet.

    13. Re:The era of Groundbreaking Physics was over by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Things are a lot weirder if you try to explain the universe in terms of classical physics.

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  7. ... until the next one. by DavidClarkeHR · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, this article is right. And will remain right, until the next big breakthrough.

    At which point, it'll probably be irrelevant, so ...

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    1. Re:... until the next one. by azalin · · Score: 1

      Well, this article is right. And will remain right, until the next big breakthrough. At which point, it'll probably be irrelevant, so ...

      Actually it will still be relevant as a quote, when a few years after the next big thing, another "Nothing important left to find out" article comes up.

    2. Re:... until the next one. by wienerschnizzel · · Score: 1

      I think it is already irrelevant. It just takes years for a discovery to gain momentum and become 'big'.

      General public didn't know anything about Einstein decades after his breakthrough discoveries - only after he emigrated to US in the 1930's. Similarly, Louis Pasteur was largely ignored by his academic peers - it took a new generation of researchers to replace the old one before he became famous and pasteurization became a thing.

      So what big breakthroughs are happening right now? How about last year's Nobel price in medicine given to Gourdon and Yamanaka for inventing a procedure that turns ordinary cells into stem cells? General public doesn't care about it much now, but it is an amazing and completely unexpected discovery that will pay off in a not-so-far-off future. Maybe in twenty years when people will receive organ/bone/limb transplants that body accepts as its own without a problem, they will praise these two guys a little more because their discovery is up there with Pasteur's findings.

  8. Depends on the Genre by stoicio · · Score: 2

    Isn't this like saying we now know everything major, so only minor things are left to discover.

    Seems a bit dubious since there are massive voids in our scientific knowledge in many fields.

    And, didn't we just find a Higgs Boson(s) recently?

    1. Re:Depends on the Genre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      And, didn't we just find a Higgs Boson(s) recently?

      My colleagues and I came up with exciting discoveries around Higgs, yes.

      I don't know exactly what you did.

    2. Re:Depends on the Genre by similar_name · · Score: 1

      While I don't agree with the article (or at least the summary) I don't think the Higgs Boson was the ground breaking science they're talking about. Finding it didn't change our view or model of how things worked. It reinforced it. Now the idea that time moves at different rates related to mass and acceleration. That's groundbreaking. Of course even that was dependent on numerous other little advances in observation. Until you can measure the speed of light accurately you're never going to wonder why it moves at the same speed whether you're headed away from or towards the source.

      There's no way to know when an advance will change the way we look at things. The question of why light was the same speed to all observers lead to the conclusion that space and time must be flexible. So it comes down to whether our theories are fundamentally correct and it's just a matter of taking observations to fill in the holes or whether some observations that don't fit will lead to fundamentally different theories.

      I think the distinction is subtle. Finding dark matter would be a groundbreaking observation. Coming up with an entirely different theory of how gravity works to explain why galaxies rotate the way they do would be groundbreaking science. And to nitpick myself, observation is a part of science. But I think this is the difference the article is making.

    3. Re:Depends on the Genre by Zeromous · · Score: 1

      Higgs Boson was a theory older than myself, which also predates gems such as:

      "640k ought to be enough for anyone"
      "Who would want a computer in their home?"
      "I am not a crook"
      "One small step for man..."

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  9. PCR by Wild_dog! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The guy who came up with PCR while driving on the road to Santa Cruz California would make the question in the Title completely silly and irrelevant.

    Is slashdot becoming like yahoo or something? Snazzy titles to suck people like me in, but once I consider what the title is saying, it is really just absurd.

    1. Re:PCR by phriot · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, PCR was invited 30 years ago now.

    2. Re: PCR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The author is saying that breakthrough understandings of the natural world are not coming.

      This is radically different than saying that breakthrough *technologies* are not coming.

      Breakthrough technology is happening all around us. But it is all based on the same understandings about the fundamental natural world we've had for many decades.

    3. Re:PCR by Frankie70 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Unfortunately, PCR was invited 30 years ago now

      Where was it invited?
      Who invited it?
      Did it go?

    4. Re:PCR by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      30 years isn't that long ago.

    5. Re:PCR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The guy who came up with PCR while driving on the road to Santa Cruz California would make the question in the Title completely silly and irrelevant.

      And he's so famous and such a genius that you call him "the guy".
      I have no idea who your talking about or what for that matter. And that probably goes for almost anyone you will ever meet for the rest of your life. However, ask any of those people you will meet the rest of your life who Einstein or Darwin is, and they know who your talking about.

      That's what this article is about.
      Today, there is only 1 scientists alive that approaches the fame of guys like Einstein,Edison,... and hes probably more famous due to his medical condition than his science.

    6. Re:PCR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The guy? That's part of what the article is talking about. If you couldn't recall that it was Kary Mullis in casual conversation than you're proving the article's point.

    7. Re:PCR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PCR, for those curious.

    8. Re:PCR by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      And that guy isn't even considered among the 10 greatest physicists of our time as you point out.

      But tell me this do you think that we have tapped out all of the key to the universe at this point?
      There will be lots of guys who will come up with lots more groundbreaking science.

      Just remember we have yet to get off of this rock let alone get to another solar system or another galaxy.
      Along that path there will need to be a lot more understanding of the universe than we currently have.

      Additionally, we have yet to solve all of the problems that exist on this planet. I think the guy that finally comes up with the way to cure cancers will have some sort of fundamental breakthrough. And we have yet to eradicate any diseases in our species. The only one that is not currently with us is locked in a vault somewhere.

      Perhaps you think that we have figured most things out, but I suspect there are lots of surprises yet to be discovered and there will be guys who do so.

    9. Re:PCR by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      Nice google search..... hahaha.
      Thanks

  10. Didn't we just have this article? by swampfriend · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There was just a question the other day asking if we were past the age of invention. I believe one of the tags on it was "retarded."

    1. Re:Didn't we just have this article? by White+Flame · · Score: 1

      Yes there was, and thanks for reminding me to tag this one.

    2. Re:Didn't we just have this article? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Joe Flacco, is that you?

    3. Re:Didn't we just have this article? by khallow · · Score: 1

      I wonder what book is being marketed to generate so many of these stories.

    4. Re:Didn't we just have this article? by eennaarbrak · · Score: 1

      The question is not retarded at all (but nonetheless congrats on getting your clever dick 5, given by those that prefer wit to contemplation). As our scientific knowledge increases, the amount of work we need to do in order to increase it further becomes ever greater. It is entirely possible that we have exhausted the easy, low hanging fruit in scientific discovery - it is possible that science is now a matter of hard work, done by teams of scientists working together, rather that the lone genius working in his lab. There is nothing wrong with this - but an effect of this could well be that the age of the science-guru is over.

    5. Re:Didn't we just have this article? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      And nearly everybody agreed that all science has always been incremental, with certain milestones always marked in hindsight by mythology.

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    6. Re:Didn't we just have this article? by swampfriend · · Score: 1

      Thanks for posting your reply, I never considered the mythology of the breakthrough before. Very interesting idea!

  11. Yes, it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    If you look at physics, all the previous breakthroughs where all related to populating the periodic table of elements, and knowing how the elements are built inside and how they behave. So unless you believe there are more and different chemical elements to find, that's over, finished and done.

    The next scientists and the next breakthroughs will be in the softer sciences, biotechnology and social sciences. How to structure a society in a world were "work" is increasingly meaningless (both physically as machines can do more and more, and morally as we desperately try to "create" new jobs to cling to the old workweek model). How to understand biology and stop aging.

  12. I doubt it. by anavictoriasaavedra · · Score: 1

    I doubt it because look at the achievements of people like Craig Venter. The importance of his work is still largely unrecognized, as suggested by the fact that he still hasn't received the Nobel prize (and I firmly believe he deserves it). It could be that the impact of their work is still too fresh to be assessed. There are still lots of groundbreaking scientific discoveries waiting out there, like room-temperature superconductors, the cure to cancer, teleportation, tractor beams... Maybe the question will be deemed silly in 50 years. Who knows?

    1. Re:I doubt it. by the+gnat · · Score: 1

      The importance of his work is still largely unrecognized, as suggested by the fact that he still hasn't received the Nobel prize (and I firmly believe he deserves it)

      Deserves it for what? The metagenomics research was pretty cool (but not really revolutionary), and the synthetic biology work is also very neat, but it hasn't really changed the field. His contribution to genome sequencing was far less than many of his fans would like to think; the biggest impact was forcing the public project to reorganize along more industrial lines.

  13. We don't even understand Gravity by trout007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm pretty sure whoever figures that one out will be famous.

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    1. Re:We don't even understand Gravity by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      Uh, actually, I think we do. Magnetism, too, despite Dick Tracy.

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    2. Re:We don't even understand Gravity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We do understand magnetism, thanks to the electro-weak unification. The theory of gravity that we have (namely general relativity) is, unfortunately, incompatible with the quantum mechanics that explains the other fundamental forces. So, no, we don't understand gravity at all. That's why you hear all this talk of the search for a "grand unified theory", which physicists have been seeking since Einstein's time.

    3. Re:We don't even understand Gravity by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      We understand the interactions of gravity --- we don't understand it well enough to control it:

        - no artificial gravity for space voyages --- freefall or centrifuge
        - no ability to locally disable or lower it --- have to fake it in a tank or ride the vomit comet

      Look at Buck Rogers for some ideas on what gravity technology might result in.

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    4. Re:We don't even understand Gravity by noobermin · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_field_theory_in_curved_spacetime

      I'm sort of a minority, but i shutter when I hear the word graviton. Even if there is a TOE, it should be geometric just like GR, IMO. The fact that GR isn't renormalizable.

    5. Re:We don't even understand Gravity by noobermin · · Score: 1

      ugh...I mean the fact that GR isn't renormalizable seems to hint that the typical assumption that there is some super-dimensional theory like the strings-hypothesis flies in the face of the fact that we don't observe these extra dimensions...idk.

    6. Re:We don't even understand Gravity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fucking magnets, how do they work? /miracle

    7. Re:We don't even understand Gravity by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      Nobody understands time either.

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    8. Re:We don't even understand Gravity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But our knowledge is still about the same as what ancient Greeks knew about electricity. We know it's there and exists, and that's about it. Still not at the point where we can control it and damn well aren't anywhere close to making lightbulbs, electric motors, and things like radio that can make use of it.

      Until we understand the underlying principle as to why matter causes the gravity force phenomenon, and can manipulate it directly, we still have a long ways to go in that regard. Gravitics, although only limited to sci-fi right now, is a potential technology that may be really cool in terms of what it can do, provided somebody somewhere can ever figure it out.

      If we ever make it that far, I also suspect we'll have the means to the mass-energy-converter figured out due to the underlying phenomena. That will make energy resources ridiculously cheap. And no, it's not going to be as crude as the fission-fusion devices in some military armaments. (Although realistically that would still be one application, considering how tools and knowlege always end up being used.)

    9. Re:We don't even understand Gravity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends what length scale you're talking about. Solar system scale is pretty well understood. Galactic scale mostly, except for dark matter. Cosmological scale mostly, except for dark energy. Planck scale not at all.

  14. No by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is groundbreaking science over? No, not remotely. Is the era where groundbreaking science is publicized and sort of vaguely understood by a lot of non-scientists over? Probably not, but that's at least closer to the truth.

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  15. Scientists? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    Ask people who are famous scientists, and you'll get Einstein, Newton, and maybe a few modern ones like Watson and Crick, or Stephen Hawking (who incidentally probably IS more famous than any of those listed in the summary, and also has been at the forefront of his field).

    So you have two big ones separated by a few centuries, then a scattering of scientists who are in the modern era. Going by that timeframe, we're highly likely to see groundbreaking research by a new famous scientist in the next 300 years.

    Also, Edison was a GREAT scientist (j/k, j/k, have mercy, mods!)

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  16. Hindsight by Slippery_Hank · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The greatest scientists of our generation will not be truly known until many years from now, when we can look back on the contributions with a greater understanding of the truth.

    1. Re:Hindsight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a very good point. There is also the theory that it takes 10-20 years for math to be applied in physics another 10-20 to be applied in chemistry and another 10-20 to be applied into biology. The 10-20 year time frame is somewhat arbitrary, but today's research in math, physics, or theoretical computer science might take 30 years to lead to something groundbreaking in the biochem world and would go unrecognized today.

  17. This ain't the first time ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the late 1990's someone proclaimed that there was nothing more to invent, and he was proven to be very very wrong ...

    Now someone is trying the same thing, again, while tweaking the wording a little bit, by adding "groundbreaking" in the proclamation

    It gonna be as wrong as that guy in the late 1990's.

    Science progresses on.

    Groundbreaking or not, that's not the issue.

    For new breakthrough in science always "stand" on the shoulders of all the previous scientific findings

    Furthermore, how do you define "groundbreaking" ?

    Does one actually have to "break some ground" to be groundbreaking ?

    How about some new ideas being applied to older subjects, which yield new findings ?

    Would that be counted as "groundbreaking" ??

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    1. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed -- if you invent stepping discs, or the transfer booth, or even an economical and practical flying car, you *will* get recognition.

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    2. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the argument that the author is trying to make is that the scope of new work is more tightly focussed than before. There have been relatively few new 'fundamental' discoveries in physics, compared to refinements and increasing precision. While we are always inventing new ways to use physical laws, the laws themselves haven't changed substantially since quantum mechanics became well understood (proposed nearly 100 years ago).

      Once upon a time, people didn't understand how many physical systems worked; the motion of galaxies and the intricacies of light interferometry were classic examples - a single scientist could make a new discovery, Now, we have good reliable models for their behaviour. The sorts of physics experiments that discover novel phenomena about how the mechanisms of the universe functions require teams and teams of physicists.

      There are relatively few outright mysteries that remain - the Higgs Boson and the effects shaping the inflation of the universe (eg. dark mater) are classic examples of our time. I suspect that eventually, we will have a coherent explanation for all observable physical phenomena - it's not over yet by a long shot, but one day we'll figure it out.

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    3. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Cute+and+Cuddly · · Score: 0

      The flying car should not be a problem. The only reason why we do not have it yet is not because of technical dificulties. We can hardly manage driving a car in two dimensions. Try to add an extra dimension fotr the movement of your flying car and see what happens. Thiink about the traffic controll systems. Think what we have to have instead of traffic lights (That some people still do not pay any attention to). When you have worked out that, then come up with a flying car

    4. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article is flame bait.

      That is all.

    5. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you'll find it was the 1890s, which makes the rest of your post pretty funny. Look at a modern example, did Steve Jobs 'invent' the iPhone? How many people were actually involved in that invention? Tim Berners-Lee is often credited with 'inventing' the World Wide Web, but how many people were actually involved?

    6. Re:This ain't the first time ... by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The flying car should not be a problem. The only reason why we do not have it yet is not because of technical difficulties. We can hardly manage driving a car in two dimensions. Try to add an extra dimension for the movement of your flying car and see what happens. Think about the traffic control systems. Think what we have to have instead of traffic lights (That some people still do not pay any attention to). When you have worked out that, then come up with a flying car

      So it should not be a problem, but then you promptly list a small handful of reasons why it is a problem.

      Everything you've mentioned applies to the people driving it. I agree, the human element is the central weakness, and relying on humans to follow the rules is pointless, we can't even get you to turn on your spell checker.

      But Google can make a driver-less car that works in two dimensions on a surface street bristling with moving targets and zero inter-target communication, and lots of stationary objects to hit. Such computer control would be actually easier in the air, where everything would be computer controlled, no stationary barriers, and everything would communicate with everything else.

      So lets hand-waive away the control and navigation problems that are mostly human induced, and hand them off to the computer.

      That STILL leaves a huge mountain to climb with regard to equipment durability, and failure proofing. Cars today are amazingly durable and reliable.
      Still, would you want to be flying in one of them? Or have them flying over your house? If only one in 10,000 or 100,000 flights ended in the engine
      stopping the results would be disastrous. What does fly gets rigorous maintenance and inspections by highly trained people. Not shade tree mechanics
      and burger flippers apprenticing as mechanics.

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    7. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope flying cars never get made. I'm not going to risk having my house destroyed because of some moron who has no business flying decides to pull some stupid stunt or fly while intoxicated.

    8. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How can you not tell the difference between science and inventing stuff? How bloody fucking stupid are you?

    9. Re:This ain't the first time ... by slick7 · · Score: 1

      Indeed -- if you invent stepping discs, or the transfer booth, or even an economical and practical flying car, you *will* get recognition.

      You'll get recognition all right, ask Stanley Meyer how that worked out for him.
      It's not about inventing something new, it's about bringing it to fruition. Expect delays, expect opposition, expect heartbreak.

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    10. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the argument that the author is trying to make is that the scope of new work is more tightly focussed than before.

      Which is stupid, and is just a blatant illustration of the author's lack of vision and understanding of the world and of history.

    11. Re:This ain't the first time ... by icebike · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think the argument that the author is trying to make is that the scope of new work is more tightly focussed than before. There have been relatively few new 'fundamental' discoveries in physics, compared to refinements and increasing precision.

      Agreed, the is what he is talking about, but was it not always thus?

      When Mendel was laying the foundations of Genetics, the idea of DNA was unknown.
      He was working at the edge of knowledge, with no possible way forward.
      He described WHAT happened but could not even approach the HOW.

      Now, DNA pretty much defines Genetics as a science. We understand the HOW somewhat better.
      At least we know where to look.

      There must be more questions that we aren't even beginning to answer. WHY, for one (Why dna, Why here)
      WHERE for another. Did DNA originate here? If we find life on mars, will it have DNA?
      Or will it be totally different?

      "To the best of our knowledge, the original chemicals chosen by known life do not constitute a unique set; other choices could have been made, and maybe were made if life started elsewhere many times."

      Paul Davies.

      Lots left to do.
      Science doesn't know everything. Science Knows it doesn't know everything. Otherwise, they'd Stop!.

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    12. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is an obvious technology that is as broad reaching in the future as anything Einstein or Newton did. They may have stepped on the shoulders of giants, but our giants are taller. Quantum-tech and Nano-tech both need work, and both will be useful in a very broad spectrum.

      For example, aside from the obvious studied uses, I'd love a quantum chip implanted for constant network access. If someone wants to go further, there is always more work to understand the brain, and combined with other tech it can replace the entire body. Going a step further would be synthetic (in-organic) humans or creatures or pets. There is plenty of work to do for work that will affect our daily lives to traveling across the stars or dimensions.

      There are even greater realms of philosophy that can even be reached, with or without technology. Any one that things that we can't progress anymore is declaring a death sentence for civilization and deserves to be treated like crazy people on street corners.

    13. Re:This ain't the first time ... by niftydude · · Score: 1

      In the late 1990's someone proclaimed that there was nothing more to invent, and he was proven to be very very wrong ...

      In the late 1890's people were proclaiming that there was hardly any more physics left to study, and universities were starting to actively discourage students from studying physics, as almost everything was solved.

      Then Einstein came along with relativity, and quantum physics happened, and physicists are still trying to figure out the impact of all of that.

      But one point TFA makes about "it's become much harder for any one scientist to make a mark on the field" is interesting. When you look at papers published about gravity waves, or from the LHC which have >100 contributing authors, it becomes easier to believe that the day of the individual scientist is drawing to an end - and future breakthroughs will be made by large groups of well-funded researchers.

      I hope not though.

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    14. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahaha, you mean the late 1890s don't you, that really is when scientists thought the major laws and processes of the universe were all known. Newton's laws, Maxwell's equations, the periodic table, the laws of inheritence, etc.

    15. Re:This ain't the first time ... by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed -- if you invent stepping discs, or the transfer booth, or even an economical and practical flying car, you *will* get recognition.

      Yes, you'll be sued into poverty and then watch as some rich bastard takes your beautiful invention and ruins it. Nobody I know who has a creative / inventive nature is doing anything in this country because they know the only recognition they'll get will be from the large companies that own this country and control its laws. They will take everything and leave you with nothing.

      Anyone with a good idea is well advised to flee to somewhere the United States' and its notions about intellectual property aren't going to interfere. China is right now (literally) knocking down mountains and building cities at a breakneck pace. Their economy is driven because they copy, then improve, in an iterative process without regard for intellectual property considerations. As a result, many of the world's goods and services now flow out of China. Yes, we may have invented those things, but they took them and made them better. Why can't we do the same? Oh right... Corporations.

      There's plenty of talent right here to make that next big thing. And it's gone to ground because of the flying hunter-killers with lawyer bombs on patrol, looking for them. Legal theft. Small wonder innovation's ground to a halt in this country...

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    16. Re:This ain't the first time ... by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      we will have a coherent explanation for all observable physical phenomena

      Contrary to popular belief we have no explaination for gravity, spacetime, or the other fundamental forces (eg: try and define "time" without the definition becoming circular). What we have are models that predict how these "miracles" behave and interact in most situations.

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    17. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well when one is only 20 years old, it's hard to differentiate between 1890 and 1990.

    18. Re:This ain't the first time ... by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It always amuses me that Mendel's pea plant experiments would not get past peer review these days.

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    19. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Garridan · · Score: 0

      You'll find a good scientist plenty inventive, and a good inventor plenty scientific. How bloody fucking stupid are you?

    20. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your homophone checker is as broken as GP's spell checker. WAVE goodbye to your self-proclaimed grammatical pseudo-superiority.

    21. Re:This ain't the first time ... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      The GP's quote was supposedly (it wasn't actually) uttered by a patent commissioner closer to 1890 than to 1990.

    22. Re:This ain't the first time ... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There have been relatively few new 'fundamental' discoveries in physics, compared to refinements and increasing precision. While we are always inventing new ways to use physical laws, the laws themselves haven't changed substantially since quantum mechanics became well understood (proposed nearly 100 years ago).

      Let's see... the idea of a quantum field theory, 1920's to 1950's. Quantum electrodynamics, 1950s. Gauge theory, 1950s-70s. Quantum electrodynamics, 1950s. Quantum chromodynamics, 1960s-70s+. Grand synthesis/standard model, 1970s to today.

      Up until the 30s we didn't know about the neutron, which makes up about half of everything around you, including you. Until the mid to late 60s we didn't know about quarks or gluons, which actually make up almost all of everything around you. Even then we hadn't the faintest idea that we'd only discovered a third of the matter particles (well, a third of the ones we know about now. We're pretty sure there are more we haven't discovered yet).

      Physics right up until the present day has been a non-stop factory of fundamental discoveries compared to other eras in history. The period between Newton and Einstein wasn't exactly devoid of progress, but it was also three hundred years.

      I guess you're right though, the laws of physics haven't changed much since quantum mechanics became well understood, proposed nearly 100 years ago and last modified... well, we're still arguing about how exactly to modify them, but one of the last big revolutions requiring modification was the confirmation of neutrino mass, in 1998.

      Of course, we know it's still wrong. Dark matter (probably), dark energy and the incompatibility between the standard model and general relativity means we still don't know what's going on.

      The original poster's thesis is something silly that people, particularly non-scientists, have been saying for a long time, quite often right before some revolution shakes everything up. The particular example you chose to support his point is one a lot of people, including me, would choose to use to demolish it.

    23. Re:This ain't the first time ... by careysub · · Score: 1

      It didn't take Einstein.

      There was a already a deep, apparently insoluble contradiction in physics -- the ultraviolet catastrophe. Blackbody radiation - a commonplace thing in everyday life - could not be explained by physics (quantum theory would be required). That should have been enough by itself to put claims of the "completeness of physics" to rest.

      It didn't since just one glaring anomaly can be dismissed.

      And then radioactivity was discovered. Vast amounts of energy appearing from nowhere. That caused the notion that physics was nearly complete to collapse.

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    24. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You assume such things would be invented by one person, and not say a team of people, or a succession of teams of people. In the end, unless they had some unifying leader, their might not be any particular researcher's name attached to it (outside of luck, due to it evolving from some smaller named effect). The only name attached or in people's mind might be a company or brand name from the first company to sell it, or a charismatic business person behind that company that wasn't directly involved in the invention.

    25. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF? This rant gets modded up, and its not really even relevant or right. While there are some serious problems like software patents, "anyone with a good idea," in general is going to do a lot better in the Us and some other Western countries, despite their similar IP laws and regardless of corporation culture. Small businesses can still go pretty far with a good idea and a good implementation. Good luck doing well with that in some place like China unless you know the right people or have some good connections. When it comes to rich, well connected people trampling over your idea, there are many worse places than the US for that.

    26. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's not forget that sometimes we don't appreciate someone's work en masse until after their death. There's been a lot a good breakthroughs within the last few decades, it's just that the people that were behind them are still around.

    27. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you invent stepping disks or transfer booths and are worried about your invention being suppressed by big auto/big oil, then I suggest you begin by marketing your product as a "secret brand" and targeting only the super-rich. Billionaires would eat that stuff up and pay through the nose. However I do recommend some serious anti-reverse engineering scheme and investing your first $100M in the best lawyers and/or "kinetic-IP-enforcement" personnel available.

    28. Re:This ain't the first time ... by crutchy · · Score: 1

      you need to watch brian cox. contrary to your belief we have explanations for many things... what we lack is proof, and that's where science is continuing to play a role.

      it's easy to explain things; what's hard is to prove an explanation.

      i'm not fully into the whole "science is right" and "religion is wrong", but there are plenty of religious kooks that can explain anything and everything, but when asked for proof they only ever come up empty (or they simply claim you're an idiot and can never understand).

      the difference between science and religion is that science pursues the proof of its explanation, whereas religion relies on faith in its explanation.

      models that predict behavior and phenomena are in many cases essential for improving understanding.

      magnets are a nice example... electromagnetism is one of the fundamental forces, and even though we don't understand it fully, being able to experiment with magnets is important to furthering our understanding

      you are right that we don't know everything, and in the future the things we take as gospel now (such as faster than light travel and perpetual motion being impossible) may well be proven wrong. anyone who says something is impossible without completely understanding it is a fool. in reality the supposed limits imposed by science (physics in particular) are touted by many merely because they read it in a book.

    29. Re:This ain't the first time ... by crutchy · · Score: 1

      go back to your spice bus

    30. Re:This ain't the first time ... by crutchy · · Score: 1

      it's hard to differentiate between 1890 and 1990

      maybe you need to go back to school

    31. Re:This ain't the first time ... by crutchy · · Score: 1

      scientists create problems... engineers invent solutions to those problems

    32. Re:This ain't the first time ... by mysidia · · Score: 2

      I suspect that eventually, we will have a coherent explanation for all observable physical phenomena

      Most likely we'll have a coherent (but wrong) explanation, as usual.

      And in a couple hundred years, there will be someone with more groundbreaking work :)

    33. Re:This ain't the first time ... by crutchy · · Score: 1

      omfg a philosopher... just don't ask him how a light bulb works or you'll have him pondering the origins of the electron for years

    34. Re:This ain't the first time ... by mysidia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It always amuses me that Mendel's pea plant experiments would not get past peer review these days.

      Scientists' methods evolve with the peer review process. If it wouldn't get past peer review back then, he would likely have done something differently, so that it would meet the peer review standards of his day... assuming he intended to be published :)

    35. Re:This ain't the first time ... by crutchy · · Score: 2

      its not just a problem with software patents... there is huge risk in inventing anything nowadays because of big companies having no qualms about taking a new idea that isn't theirs and putting their name on it (and patenting it as their own). western countries like the united states and australia may be fairer to inventors compared to developing countries, but compared to 100 years ago today's economic and legal landscape makes innovation an extremely risky venture.

    36. Re:This ain't the first time ... by mysidia · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Contrary to popular belief we have no explaination for gravity, spacetime, or the other fundamental forces

      False. We have no falsifiable, measurable, or experimentally verifiable explanation for gravity, spacetime, or other fundamental forces.

      Explanations abound, but there is almost inherently no way that science can test any coherent explanation that came up.

      As far as good scientists are concerned... if you can't measure something, and you can't test it -- then it is irrelevent.

      It may be true or false -- you don't know -- it falls into the realm of 'belief' or 'religion' instead of science, if it is not testable.

    37. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm relatively certain that we know a lot less than we think we know. There are a lot of kludges in physics which are even stated as estimations derived from observation, a clear lack of understanding of the process that produces what goes in the kluges' place. We just don't focus on those until it's detrimental to our cause or curiosity overwhelms us. There are also a lot of things in physics that we can't even begin to understand due to lack of reliable samples to draw conclusions from and test our hypothesis against.

      I suspect we have slowed down in large discoveries because our toolbox is full of neat and interesting tools that we have only began to scratch the surface on, many which we still haven't found a practical use for. It makes sense to experiment with what you have now in order to unlock potential new frontiers.

    38. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      To quote wikipedia:
      "The Munich physics professor Philipp von Jolly advised Max Planck against going into physics, saying, 'in this field, almost everything is already discovered, and all that remains is to fill a few holes.'" A few years later, Max Planck opened up the field of quantum physics.

      By definition, finding out something new means it was not known (or even expected) before. Maybe there will never be another drastic paradigm shift in science, but we simply do not know that. While somewhat unsatisfactory, I think that is the most precise answer to this question.

    39. Re:This ain't the first time ... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      If they ever get made it will be because cars have become autonomous enough for that not to happen.

      --
      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
    40. Re:This ain't the first time ... by jacksonyee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've been living in China teaching English for two years now, and I can tell you that the locals themselves are quite wary of bad copies coming out of their own factories. The Chinese are indeed good at copying things, but not all of the copies necessarily work so well, and the few that do are still far behind most of the originals in one area or another.

      Now, if you want to talk about the Japanese or the Germans for taking our original inventions and making them better, then I'm with you all the way. The Chinese? They still have a while to go before overcoming their issues, especially when the cheapskate culture is so widespread around here.

    41. Re:This ain't the first time ... by zazzel · · Score: 1

      In the late 1990's someone proclaimed that there was nothing more to invent, and he was proven to be very very wrong ...

      Perpetual idiocy. I remember reading that most physicists agreed that everything in physics had been discovered. That was right before Einstein.

      We can not know what we can not (yet) know.

    42. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Sique · · Score: 2

      Time is a mechanism to explain causality. The flow of time is determined by non-reversable processes, like entropy increasing or matter being ingested into black holes.

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    43. Re:This ain't the first time ... by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I see your Brian Cox and raise you a Richard Feynman. Key quote "I can't explain magnetism,..[snip]...that's just one of the things that you have to take as an element of the world, the existence of magnetic repulsion".

      Now an explanation for magnetism may be discovered one day, but that will just push the problem down to another more fundamental property of the universe that "just is" (in Feynman's words finding an explanation for magnetism will just "peel another layer off the onion"). I agree science models reality better than any other method yet devised and gives us a deep understanding of the universe, but it cannot (currently) explain where the fundamental forces and spacetime come from, it just takes it as a given that they exist and can be observed.

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    44. Re:This ain't the first time ... by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      The flying over one's house part is easy to solve by routing correctly.

      Other issues:

      1) space needed to take off and land. You will need some kind of a runway to get airborne unless gong for helicopter/autogyro types of aircraft, making the flight part a replacement of current motorway driving. The last mile to your home can't be flown practically due to this restraint.

      2) the cost of the vehicle. Flying cars are expensive. The extra controls, and also the need to fold the wings (otherwise you don't fit on existing roads) makes it expensive.

      3) the cost of fuel. Flying costs more fuel than driving.

    45. Re:This ain't the first time ... by wvmarle · · Score: 2

      China, interestingly, doesn't really have brands. There are really few local brands that have any significant recognition (and virtually none with any recognition outside of China). This makes the products fully interchangeable: brands add value. You pay more for a Porsche because it's built by the Porsche factory. You wouldn't pay the same amount for a no-name brand sports car even if it looks and behaves just like a Porsche.

      So what's left for the factories to compete on, is price. Consumers can not distinguish products by brand, so no way to judge quality that warrants higher prices. Naturally you go for the cheapest. And as now factories have to keep cost as low as possible, quality suffers.

    46. Re:This ain't the first time ... by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      falsifiable, measurable, or experimentally verifiable

      Sorry, I assumed people would insert those caveats themselves, I was thinking about scientific explanations not the type of explanation that is extracted from the arse of a preacher. This is because I don't see religion as an explanation of anything, I see it as speculation about everything. There's nothing wrong with speculation, it's only becomes a problem when it's mistaken for truth.

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    47. Re:This ain't the first time ... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Stepping discs and transfer booths would require revolutionary new physics. Do you expect any?

      A flying car is just an engineering problem. A hard one, but still just engineering. We have helicopters - all a flying car needs to do is make that technology an order of magnitude more efficient.

    48. Re:This ain't the first time ... by zrbyte · · Score: 1

      You make a good point here. Usually a starting-point for totally new physics are unexplained measurement results like the Michelson - Morley interferometry measurements. With this in mind, there are some really big questions out there, like: what is dark matter/energy. The answer to which may be paradigmshifting stuff. On a less dramatic note, we still don't understand what makes high temperature superconductivity work. Understanding this phenomenon could lead to revolutions in "ordinary" condensed matter physics (not to mention a few Noble prizes).

    49. Re:This ain't the first time ... by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Did you even read the summary ? Your entire post is a strawman as neither the summary nor the article suggests there will NOT be major discoveries - we have plenty we don't know - but whether there will be any discoveries that have a particular impact: that impact is capturing the imagination of the general public.
      Will we see genuine researches ever being celebrity-scientists again or has the knowledge required to understand what these scientists actually do just become too esoteric and specialized for the general public to understand it's significance ?

      My answer would be: if not, then that's the final inditement of the state of science education in schools.

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    50. Re:This ain't the first time ... by khallow · · Score: 1

      The flying over one's house part is easy to solve by routing correctly.

      That alone would defeat most of the point of flying cars. It'll be rare to find urban land that doesn't have something valuable and breakable on it.

    51. Re:This ain't the first time ... by khallow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Anyone with a good idea is well advised to flee to somewhere the United States' and its notions about intellectual property aren't going to interfere. China is right now (literally) knocking down mountains and building cities at a breakneck pace. Their economy is driven because they copy, then improve, in an iterative process without regard for intellectual property considerations. As a result, many of the world's goods and services now flow out of China. Yes, we may have invented those things, but they took them and made them better. Why can't we do the same? Oh right... Corporations.

      Let me get this right. Someone is going to "flee" the US which at least has significant protection for inventions and go to China which institutionalizes the theft of IP.

    52. Re:This ain't the first time ... by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Which is why I think it may only work as replacement for motorway driving: highways in the sky instead of on the ground (following those existing strips of mostly empty land that are now used as motorway), with current entry/exit ramps for take off and landing. In an urban area you would have vehicles taking off and landing all the time (landing strips in urban areas?), and that will cause terrible chaos. If only because breaking and stopping to give way to other traffic is simply not an option for an aircraft that is not a helicopter.

    53. Re:This ain't the first time ... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong, I think it's a GoodThing(TM) that our standards have evolved. Today's standards would certainly have done nothing but strengthened Medel's claims (assuming he would have addressed the criticism).

      Modern standards would also have found a more ethical method to test the original smallpox vaccine. You can spend a long time examining the moral issues of that test and the subsequent extinction of smallpox in the wild, and still not find a satisfactory answer since it comes back to the age old question of "sacrificing one for the good of the many". I prefer to save that time by simply declaring "All's well that ends well".

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    54. Re:This ain't the first time ... by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >Let's see... the idea of a quantum field theory, 1920's to 1950's. Quantum electrodynamics, 1950s. Gauge theory, 1950s-70s. Quantum electrodynamics, 1950s. Quantum chromodynamics, 1960s-70s+. Grand synthesis/standard model, 1970s to today.

      You forgot Quantum Bogodynamics, that great contribution to physics by Deepak Chopra.

      Yeah, I'm totally whoring for a +5 funny here... oh well.

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    55. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't you just prove the authors point?
      You can probably ask most collage grads about einstein and the speed of light or Newton and the motion of planets and get a coherent response.
      But ask anyone besides a physicist about any of those and you'll get a blank stare or maybe a possible stab at explaining quantum field theory and some possibly dead or not dead cats.
      You seriously think quarks and gluons aren't specialized?? Go ask 1000 random people what exactly the higgs boson is and despite being in the news more then probably any other scientific item in the past few years I'd wage the best you'll get is "God particle"

    56. Re:This ain't the first time ... by repepo · · Score: 1

      As far as good scientists are concerned... if you can't measure something, and you can't test it -- then it is irrelevent.

      It may be true or false -- you don't know -- it falls into the realm of 'belief' or 'religion' instead of science, if it is not testable.

      You just described string theory!

    57. Re:This ain't the first time ... by kirjoittaessani · · Score: 1

      There are relatively few outright mysteries that remain - the Higgs Boson and the effects shaping the inflation of the universe (eg. dark mater) are classic examples of our time. I suspect that eventually, we will have a coherent explanation for all observable physical phenomena - it's not over yet by a long shot, but one day we'll figure it out.

      What about this one: both general relativity and quantum mechanics are remarkably accurate in their respective areas (large masses and distances for GR, small ones for QM). One would expect some generalized theory that simplifies to GR for large masses/distances, to QM for small ones, and to Newtonian mechanics for intermediate ones. However, GR and QM are fundamentally incompatible. (Hint: time as inextricable part of spacetime in the one case vs time as a parameter, space as an operator in the other.)

    58. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China is not impressive in terms of its current contribution to scientific and technological progress. The only way it is remarkable is how little China is contributing in comparison to its astounding rate of growth.

    59. Re:This ain't the first time ... by crutchy · · Score: 1

      explaining where something comes from is different from explaining what it is

      also, the concept of "explaining" something can be a bit subjective in itself...

      for example, if i were to explain how a light bulb works, would you expect me to detail the origin of the electron as part of that explanation?

    60. Re:This ain't the first time ... by adolf · · Score: 1

      I think the argument that the author is trying to make is that the scope of new work is more tightly focussed than before. There have been relatively few new 'fundamental' discoveries in physics, compared to refinements and increasing precision.

      I read this paragraph on a IPS LCD with a surface acoustic wave touch screen.

      Neat tech, the two of those. Even neater in one package. And yes, they're both relatively ancient methods if you look back far enough.

      But really: In coarse terms, science has always been slow. From fire to the wheel to the internal combustion engine and car took aeons.

      And for every step that we accomplish, we encounter a plethora of new things that we hadn't yet known about, and each of those things has its own intricacies that must also be learned.

      Is it a state of constant refinement and precision? Perhaps. But then, has there ever been a time when hasn't it been this way?

    61. Re:This ain't the first time ... by crutchy · · Score: 1

      richard feynman may not be able to explain what magnetism is, but that doesn't mean nobody can. he's a theoretical physicist, which means that even if he could explain it, by the time he got to the point his audience would be asleep anyway. at least cox adds a bit of flair to his presentation.

      as a side note, cox used a sand castle in one of his "wonders of the universe" docos in what i think is the best explanation of entropy that i've ever heard

    62. Re:This ain't the first time ... by captn+ecks · · Score: 1

      >"Of course, we know it's still wrong. Dark matter (probably), dark energy and the incompatibility between the standard model and general relativity means we still don't know what's going on."

      No more to be said. After all of the 19th and 20th century's progress and getting the nature of physics down to close to complete accuracy - we find new data that tells us we still haven't a clue as to what's really going on. Great news actually. Totally new paradigms only happen after moments like these. Science rocks on!

    63. Re:This ain't the first time ... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Yep the search for a "unified theory" is very tightly focused.

      The fundamental problem is that we haven't confirmed anything yet. Maybe string theory will be proven correct. Then maybe the researchers who discovered it will become household names.

    64. Re:This ain't the first time ... by hweimer · · Score: 1

      We have no falsifiable, measurable, or experimentally verifiable explanation for gravity, spacetime, or other fundamental forces.

      Semiclassical gravity, i.e., couple the metric to the expectation values of the energy-momentum tensor. Granted, it's not pretty, but it contains all the physics we know and is not refuted by a single experiment.

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    65. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think of the laws of the universe as a jigsaw.

      The first scientists started with a blank board upon which to start building the jigsaw. They did not know the size or the shape of the puzzle they were building, and the picture on the box that they were working from (ie, our perception of the universe around us) was limited by our own feeble senses. What's more, they had thousands of spare bits from some other puzzle all mixed in with the correct pieces[1], because previous jigsaw-makers thought those bits belonged in this puzzle. I'm going to stop now before I break my own metaphor.

      Gradually, scientists started to put bits in place. Every piece that seemed to fit was a huge success, and increased our understanding by an order of magnitude. Sometimes a piece seemed to fit but wasn't quite right - it had to be taken back out and replaced by another piece. However the puzzle was still largely unformed - it was still anyone's guess what it might look like when it was finished.

      Now, in the 21st century, we have much of the puzzle complete. Oh sure, there is still a lot of work to be done. But we have got most of the edges in now[2], so we know roughly what size and shape the completed puzzle will be. And although there are big gaps, those gaps are bounded in on most sides by completed work so we have a pretty good idea of their size and shape too. We also have two big bits of puzzle that need to be 'unified' somehow. We might need to replace a few more bits on either side to do that, but we'll get there.

      And then, just as the puzzle is nearing completion, a big cosmic cat comes and sits on it and sheds hair everywhere. This metaphor sucks.

      [1] Millennia of superstition, mythology and received "wisdom".

      [2] Things like the speed of light, the laws of thermodynamics, the age of the universe, the periodic table - these define the limits of what is and isn't possible, effectively putting limits upon any future discoveries. These are the "edge pieces" of the puzzle.

      IANAscientist.

    66. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's hard to differentiate between 1890 and 1990

      maybe you need to go back to school

      In Texas!

    67. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no stationary barriers,

      There is one stationary barrier that comes to mind...

    68. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can probably ask most collage grads about einstein

      Collage grads? I doubt it. They're all too busy running with scissors and trying to get the glue off their fingers...

      and get a coherent response.

      If by 'coherent' you mean 'the guy with the big hair', or 'E=MC^2'

      Most people know bugger-all about special relativity. Most people know bugger-all about the Higgs. And yet they can probably quote 'God Particle', 'E=MC^2', and so on. The fact that in Einstein's case what sticks in the mind is an equation doesn't mean they have a clue how to apply it or what its implications may be.

    69. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Kim0 · · Score: 1

      Magnetism can be explained.
      One starts with electrostatic fields, and separate it into two, one negative, and one positive.
      One then make relativist dilation of these fields, and add them together.
      Then one have electrostatic plus magnetism.

      In other words: Magnetism is the relativistic
        difference between the field from the nucleuses standing still in a wire, and the electrons moving.

    70. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are relatively few outright mysteries that remain that we know of

      FTFY. As you say in the next sentence, we're rather limited to "observable phenomena".

      Often the problem with discovery is that we don't know what we don't know.

      We're little more than hairless apes that learned to walk upright over about a million years. Compare that to the ~5 billion year lifetime of the solar system and the ~14 billion year lifetime of the universe.

      We know very, very little. Our journey is just beginning.

    71. Re: This ain't the first time ... by Rational · · Score: 2

      Do you have a documented, non-tinfoil example of this actually happening? Legitimately the same invention, and not a "OMG Apple patented the rectangle" kind of thing?

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    72. Re:This ain't the first time ... by oreaq · · Score: 1

      There have been relatively few new 'fundamental' discoveries in physics, compared to refinements and increasing precision.

      How about the accelerating expansion of the universe and the discovery that 75% of the universe is something we do not know anything about? How about the origin and machanism of spontaneous symmetry breaking? Or the discovery of the Higgs Boson? How much more "fundamental" do you expect?

      the laws themselves haven't changed substantially since quantum mechanics became well understood (proposed nearly 100 years ago).

      Integrating strong an weak interaction into quantum theory were pretty substantial.

      inflation of the universe (eg. dark mater)

      Dark matter is what holds our galaxies together; gravity only sucks, it can't push things apart.The cause for the accelerating expansion is called dark energy.

    73. Re:This ain't the first time ... by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      There is a fundamental compromise in flying between size and efficiency.

      Flying machines come into two basic categories, "lighter than air"* and "heavier than air". In both cases gravity is imparting a constant downward force on the flying machine, in the lighter than air case this is balanced by boyancy, in the heavier than air case it is balanced by pushing air downwards.

      Lighter than air flying machines end up big because air has a much lower density than cargo or construction materials so to get the density down the vast majority of your craft has to be flotation gas.

      Heavier than air flying machines also have a size compromise. Momentum is linearly proportional to speed while kinetic energy is proportional to the square of speed**. So for efficiency you want to push a large mass or air downwards slowly rather than a small mass downwards quickly but that means your craft needs to cover a large area. They aren't quite as big as lighter than air machines but even a small two seater helicopter is too wide (with the rotors running, if it's a two blade rotor then it can be aligned front-back to fit within a road for transport) to take off from a single lane of an ordinary road.

      Thinking about it the only way I see a flying car*** could be possible would be massive advances in lightweight but strong materials. If you could reduce the weight of your flying machine to weigh barely more than the pilot and fuel you could make it a lot smaller. An engineer can tell you what properties your materials need to have but discovering how to produce materials with those properties is another matter.

      I suspect a fly/drive hybrid will make it to market at some point but limited usability (it will need a dedicated takeoff area and will likely have far less internal space than a normal car) and high costs (getting to the limits of strength vs weight gets pricy) will keep it as a toy for the rich.

      * Really lower average density than air.
      ** Until you get near light speed and relativity gets involved
      ***That is a vehicle in which I can load as much as a regular car and which I can drive out of a normal garage onto a normal road, then fly off without needing a dedicated launch area or needing to reconfigure the shape of the vehicle.

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    74. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is...that groundbreaking research wouldn't have got done back then if we had the bullshit of now back then. Peer review isn't magic- and in it's current form, it doesn't make for science, it makes for bad faiths that masquerade as science.

    75. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? The man claimed to have invented a perpetual motion device and you think he was killed by a vast conspiracy to keep his "technology" secret.

    76. Re:This ain't the first time ... by RandomFactor · · Score: 1

      In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!

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    77. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      You are entirely wrong on China - they copy and make things cheaper. Usually with a major reduction in quality. There was a saying - Chinese steel is good for one use. I have a toolset (gift), a couple of screwdrivers and a utility knife from a local hardware store, and a couple of other items that prove that saying. I avoid anything steel from China, even flatware. Their steel quality is so bad that even 18-0 stainless steel sports and even rusts, due to the lack of quality of the alloy. Hint, throwing together ingots in proper ratios, melting and stirring once does not high quality steel make, but it's certainly cheaper.

      To your question of why we can't do the same: namely, our workers can't live on $10 / week, and we can't compete with a country that controls its internal economy so that it feeds free market economies while preventing their result locally (ie, US companies would buy up all food etc in China until the price went up, if China didn't restrict that type of activity) You need to look far beyond what you're considering for the real reason of China's "success". The answer is a GAT, applied at the border, on everything. It also will fix another local problem, while raising prices of goods from artificially cheap places like China.

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    78. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Groundbreaking? Room temp super conductors. Hi-strength material suitable for space elevator. Understanding the genome (cures cancer etc). Optical computing. Quantum computing. Warp drive. Unified Theory. Anti-gravity. Energy-mass convertors. Anti-matter power sources. Transporters.

      One or more of those will happen sooner than later, and may be done by an individual somewhere, although several not likely due to scope of equipment. But, you never know. Any of those should provide a large shift in how we live. However, I wonder if quantum computing will really wind up being groundbreaking or not. We all know what the theory is, but we have yet to see working proof. Out of all those listed, it seems the most likely and imminent, but also possibly having the least impact.

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    79. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same was true about Japanese products, at first they were viewed as "cheap knockoffs". Then they got the quality under control. After that everyone has been talking about Japanese tech as something that is, was, and will be good quality. Memory is a tricky thing.

    80. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      And we'd finally have... the Jetsons!

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    81. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another good Feynman clip on the folly of trying to "explain" phenomenon beyond models that predict how they work:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TI1M3abAM8

    82. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 2

      Er, you can scratch one of those things off the list. Matter being ingested into a black hole is known to be reversible. Stephen Hawking worked out the math to describe it, and it was so unexpected, it got named after him. Black holes can emit Hawking Radiation.

      Entropy, on the other hand, is a prime example of one of the areas where groundbreaking science is still possible. Nobody knows what entropy is. There is no model of entropy itself. It's a term in an equation, the value for which is looked up in a table, which was filled purely experimentally. It was NOT generated from a mathematical model. So we have something we call entropy, and the equations that include it model reality really really well. So well that we power civilization using them. But we don't know what entropy actually is. When you get right down to it, it's a fudge factor.

      And no, "a measure of disorder" doesn't cut it as an explanation, especially since that phrase is actually wrong. Entropy can't be measured. The values in the tables were derived from the equations after measuring something else, like temperature. The tables are a consequence of the equations that include the fudge factor. Perfectly functional engineering. Really hokey science.

      Whoever explains what's really going on will be breaking new ground.

    83. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Radtastic · · Score: 1

      So,let me get this straight. Instead of inventing something in the US, you recommend taking it to China, where "Their economy is driven because they copy, then improve, in an iterative process without regard for intellectual property considerations..."

      Truly you have a dizzying intellect.

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    84. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You mean brands like Lenovo? Baidu? Huawei? ZTE?

      yeah, they sure don't

      http://www.millwardbrown.com/BrandZ/BrandZ_Top50_Chinese_Brands.aspx

    85. Re:This ain't the first time ... by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Yes, you'll be sued into poverty and then watch as some rich bastard takes your beautiful invention and ruins it.

      I know it's cool to be cynical on slashdot, but seriously? Drink some coffee.

    86. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect that eventually, we will have a coherent explanation for all observable physical phenomena - it's not over yet by a long shot, but one day we'll figure it out.

      That suspicion borders on superstition.

      Personally, I feel that we are extrapolating universal patterns out of the local conditions of our corner of the Universe. There's no guarantee we will ever be equipped to derive truly universal formulations from the glimpses that are available to us. We are increasingly resorting to epicycles in our physics.

    87. Re:This ain't the first time ... by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      But these days, he would have been a full time scientist rather than a friar, and would hopefully have better funding and more support.

    88. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other problem is the failure mode. You can survive a ground-level car crash, even when the vehicle is traveling 50-60 mph. But if your car is flying a few hundred feet off the ground and the engine fails, gravity takes over and suddenly it's a terminal-velocity-speed crash--EVERY TIME. It's really hard to build a vehicle that is lightweight enough to fly but that can reliably protect the occupants from terminal velocity ground impacts.

      Should we restrict cars from flying more than a few dozen feet off the ground? If so, I'm not sure what the advantages are over just keeping them on the ground to begin with a building more highway bandwidth.

    89. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Palamos · · Score: 1

      How pleased I am to hear someone who understands how heavier than air machines fly, too many people, the vast majority in my experience, have completely the wrong idea.

    90. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as good scientists are concerned... if you can't measure something, and you can't test it -- then it is irrelevent.

      It may be true or false -- you don't know -- it falls into the realm of 'belief' or 'religion' instead of science, if it is not testable.

      Absolutely correct! And yet, these so-called scientists are eager to explain what's going to happen to you if you were to fall into a black hole and are busy explaining away singularities inside the event horizon -- even though the very theory that predicts the existence of the black holes also states that an outside observer can't ever see the event horizon form.

    91. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm who invented the car? Did he get recognition as a scientist?

    92. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the late 1990's someone proclaimed that there was nothing more to invent, and he was proven to be very very wrong ...

      Someone, often someone well respected, makes such statements every 10-20 years. eg, Albert Michelson (of Michelson-Morely; nobel prize winner) said "our future discoveries must be looked for in the sixth place of decimals," around about 1903. They're always wrong, but that doesn't stop people from thinking the things we know are all that can be known.

    93. Re:This ain't the first time ... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      If they ever get made it will be because cars have become autonomous enough for that not to happen.

      What fun with that be?!?!?

      I mean, the reason people want one is that it would be 'fun to drive/fly'.

      I personally hope that cars you can't drive, control and navigate yourself never become the norm in my lifetime.

      I love to drive...that's why I've only bought sports cars all my life. To me, getting in the car and firing up the engine isn't just a drudgery starting to get from point A to point B...it is the start of a daily adventure!

      Same reason I own a motorcycle....

      --
      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    94. Re:This ain't the first time ... by hendrikboom · · Score: 1

      I think the argument that the author is trying to make is that the scope of new work is more tightly focussed than before. There have been relatively few new 'fundamental' discoveries in physics, compared to refinements and increasing precision.
       

      That was last said about 200 years ago.
      Anybody know by whom?

    95. Re:This ain't the first time ... by hendrikboom · · Score: 1

      we will have a coherent explanation for all observable physical phenomena

      Contrary to popular belief we have no explaination for gravity, spacetime

      Well, we at least have a few clues about spacetime and gravity. Carlo Rovelli's book Quantum Gravity argues that the gravitational field isn't something that happens in spacetime; instead, it is spacetime. Now whether you want to consider that as a clue for an explanation of gravity orr a clue for an explanation of spacetime is entirely up to you/

    96. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It always amuses me that Mendel's pea plant experiments would not get past peer review these days.

      Perhaps not on the first pass, however, wasn't Mendel relatively peerless in the field at the time? Further, his experiments were reproducible. There is no reason to believe that his entries would not eventually pass modern peer reviews. Big deal: grow peas.

    97. Re:This ain't the first time ... by monkeykoder · · Score: 1

      Science is the study of the rules of the universe. Invention is engineering so if any of the above were invented that would not be breakthrough science that would be breakthrough engineering excepting the stepping discs and the transfer booth which would need a 180* turnaround in our understanding of the universe to even be possible.

    98. Re:This ain't the first time ... by krigat · · Score: 1

      Now, if you want to talk about the Japanese or the Germans for taking our original inventions and making them better, then I'm with you all the way. The Chinese? They still have a while to go before overcoming their issues, especially when the cheapskate culture is so widespread around here.

      Well, that's a different case. The Japanese and the Germans are on the same "side" as the US - they generally don't copy, but invent themselves (e.g. the automobile, which has been invented in Germany). Thus, they have the same problem - their products are copied by China, India etc.

    99. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Hartree · · Score: 1

      "Would that be counted as "groundbreaking" ??"

      They do groundbreaking research over at the Caterpillar's Earth Mechanics lab in Mossville every day.

    100. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Furthermore, how do you define "groundbreaking" ?

      When I was born, Personal Computers did not exist. 'Computers' were something that only the Government, Universities, and maybe some corporations had. They took up whole rooms, and used paper cards with holes punched in them for programming.

      Today, practically every household has at least one personal computer, if not more. They are all connected to a world-wide network that allows instant communication across the globe.

      THAT was groundbreaking. The creation of the Personal Computer, and everything it led to.

      Making the PC's CPU 3% faster, or 10% smaller is not groundbreaking.

      Over 100 years ago, the Automobile did not exist. Then it did. THAT was groundbreaking.

      Making next model years Ford get 2mpg more is not groundbreaking.

      One time, airplanes did not exist. Then they did. THAT was groundbreaking.

      Feeling me up at the airport, and charging me money to check a bog... is not groundbreaking.

    101. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Meeni · · Score: 1

      Well, yes and no.

      Indeed, scientific progress continues, and important discoveries are made. But none where "groundbreaking" in the sense that they completely changed scientific paradigm or the way we live. Refined it, improved it, sure. Completely changed it, not really. I'm talking about something like inventing chemistry, integral calculus, genetics (which might well be the latest one in that list). Before chemistry was invented, we were struggling in subsitance agriculture, after, we run surplus with 2% of the population working the plow. That is groundbreaking. The science I do improves simulation speed by 50%, its important, but its a farcry from putting food on the plate of everybody.

      The most significant innovation in the last 3 decades is the Internet. In itself, it is changing the way we relate to information, but it is not revolutionary in terms of science, it is the consequence of IT, which derives from work on information theory in the 30's, 40's; that was groundbreaking science to me, since then, we improve on it. The latest groundbreaking thing is DNA, we are still harvesting the fruits of it.

      Now, I have difficulties seeing some other field of science that will return immense benefits like these discoveries have. However, one must remember that it is the nature of groundbreaking discoveries to open new fields that have not been foreseen. I don't see it coming from physics, chemistry or information theory. It may be that there are gamechanging discoveries to be made in genetics and life science.

    102. Re:This ain't the first time ... by DanielOom · · Score: 1
      Dark matter and dark energy are temporary concepts that I suspect will gave way to the next revolution in physics, a new theory of gravity. Then there is the old mind (psychology) versus matter (medicine) duality.

      Science is influenced by economic factors too. America once took over the leadership positiion from Germany and China is trying to expand its research.

    103. Re:This ain't the first time ... by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      And no, "a measure of disorder" doesn't cut it as an explanation, especially since that phrase is actually wrong. Entropy can't be measured.

      That's funny. In physics class I was told that Entropy was defined as the natural log of all possible states.

    104. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Sique · · Score: 1

      Er, you can scratch one of those things off the list. Matter being ingested into a black hole is known to be reversible. Stephen Hawking worked out the math to describe it, and it was so unexpected, it got named after him. Black holes can emit Hawking Radiation.

      Yes, but this process is quite different than the ingesting of matter. For instance, two black holes can form a new one, but one single black hole will not split into two black holes.

      --
      .sig: Sique *sigh*
    105. Re:This ain't the first time ... by crutchy · · Score: 1

      north attracts north
      south attracts south
      north/south repel
      magnets are made from ferritic materials (ie contain iron)
      they are fun ...anything else is just a technicality

    106. Re:This ain't the first time ... by crutchy · · Score: 1

      not all science has blind faith in the atom model. there are many scientists that do, just as there are many that are insistent that nothing could ever possibly travel faster than the speed of light.

      there are scientists that push the envelope, but nowadays its more an issue of funding. companies only invest in r&d that is low risk and has high profit potential, and governments are often very stingy with grants for non-mainstream research areas.

      i think cern is probably the best chance for scientists to figure out the nitty gritty details of what goes on with atoms (or whatever you want to call them). i also think that you possibly don't really understand the atomic model well enough to discount it altogether. many of the questions you pose have answers that even i can think of (i'm just an engineer). for example, ferritic materials are required for magnetism (ferritic meaning they contain iron), with ability to conduct electricity being irrelevent (you can get magnetic materials that don't conduct electricity, used in toroids for example).

      "People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it." - George Bernard Shaw

      generally those that make the most noise regarding science (such as those that blather on about how perpetual motion is impossible) are the ones that make the least amount of progress. you can be sure about one thing;

      if you convince yourself that something is impossible, the only thing that is for certain is that you will not be the one to prove otherwise.

    107. Re: This ain't the first time ... by crutchy · · Score: 1

      it happens every day... go to a walmart and pick up a widget that has some novel feature that you've never seen before or turn your tv to a telemarketing channel. there are lots of little innovative things happening around the world, such as new types of potato peelers. someone comes up with these ideas and then big companies exploit them. i'm not talking about a single guy coming up with a car that runs on water and big oil knocking him off. i'm talking about big companies ripping off lots of little ideas that aren't really worth defending in court. no i don't have proof; i don't care if you don't believe me. i don't care for tin foil hats either.

      the only reason why apple even bothers to take companies like samsung to court is that their patents are their livelihood and their whole business is centered around a limited suite of successful products (their risk is high if they do nothing). samsung has no doubt ripped off apple (and probably vise versa), but behemoth companies like samsung rip off lots of other companies so apple is no robinson crusoe. microsoft and google are in similar leaky boats, although they have also no doubt ripped off ideas. the companies that do much of the ripping off dwarf the likes of apple and google (stockmarket capitalization means little when you don't need to sell stocks to capitalize). samsung doesn't care if apple ultimately wins the mobile war; they will use a combination of innovation, licensing and plagiarization to market the next big thing (such as ultra high def tvs).

    108. Re:This ain't the first time ... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Modern standards would also have found a more ethical method to test the original smallpox vaccine.

      And countless lives could have been lost that were saved, because the test method would take longer, and require more rigorous standards that would require much more testing before allowing a vaccine on the market.

      While the "less" ethical method might have been more obvious and able to be executed immediately

    109. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      The US was also known to be a place of "cheap knockoffs" of European products early in our industrial history.

    110. Re:This ain't the first time ... by buxomspacefish · · Score: 1

      I do NOT want people up in the air with me (I fly Cessnas) - they drive horribly enough in two dimensions. Unless flying cars are computer controlled, we would all have to move underground due to all the falling debris all the time.

    111. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1900

      We know all. Physics? Move along. Nothing to see here. Only minor detail. Radioactivity. Ultraviolent cascade. Michaelson-morely. All math theorems can be discovered mechanically.

      Russell
      Whitehead
      Hilbert

    112. Re:This ain't the first time ... by GeertNimage · · Score: 1

      Explanations are usually descriptions at a lower level:

      Q: Explain vision
      A: well, light falls on the retina at the back of the eye...
      Q: retina?
      A: yeah, it contains rods and cones, and they convert light into neural activity
      Q: neural activity?
      A: when the firing threshold is reached, voltage dependent sodium gates open and cause an action potential
      Q: sodium?
      A: that is a cation; an atom that misses one electron
      Q: atom? electron?

      Well, you get the idea. Ultimately you get a description that can only be done in mathematical terms. But can I explain vision? No. I can describe it (to some degree), but it is really a miracle to me (not that I am religious BTW)

    113. Re:This ain't the first time ... by CHIT2ME · · Score: 1

      "China is right now (literally) knocking down mountains and building cities at a breakneck pace." And, many of those "cities" are ghost towns with no residents. China is on the road to a huge recession or even a depression because of speculation and wild city building. Unfortunately it will also send shock waves throughout the western nations as well!

      --
      My karma is bad. Don't get too close!!!
    114. Re:This ain't the first time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO. Only if you kill the scientific strain families and we are not many. I can prove it and show it. BEWARE. Science is not just _done_ and _acquirable_ it is in the most inner core of the genetic possibilities of some genotypes and not of others.

    115. Re:This ain't the first time ... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      In the late 1990's someone proclaimed that there was nothing more to invent,

      I think that you'll find that you're referring to the 1890s. And being slightly more specific, I think the story has been attributed to Lord Kelvin (he of thermodynamics and, errrr, the Kelvin S.I. unit).

      But I wouldn't be terribly surprised to find that it's been told repeatedly with other people in the frame.

      --
      Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
    116. Re:This ain't the first time ... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      Sure, same for my cars and bikes - I spent this Xmas and new year chucking my little MGF around mountain roads in Tasmania.

      Point is though, a lot of my fellow motorists doing the same drive consider it as a drudge and as a consequence don't practice enough to be good at it.

      They get in my way.

      Give them the autonomous vehicles and flying cars. Leave the roads to me, my MG and my Ducatis.

      --
      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
  18. Its going on right now - just look! by joe_frisch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There IS ground breaking science. Dark matter, dark energy, experimental measurements of cosmological inflation: our picture of the large scale structure of the universe has changed dramatically. Higgs bosons, neutrino mass: our picture of the microscopic structure of the universe has changed. We've found hundreds of extra-solar planets. We've built giant particle accelerators and telescopes, huge computers and data networks, peta-watt and X-ray lasers. We've sequenced the DNA of many creatures, including some that are extinct - and which we may bring back.We have pictures from the surface of a moon of Saturn, and an car driving around Mars.

    1. Re:Its going on right now - just look! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is all true, but who 'discovered' the Higgs Boson? It was thousands of people all over the world, wasn't it?

    2. Re:Its going on right now - just look! by the+gnat · · Score: 1

      who 'discovered' the Higgs Boson? It was thousands of people all over the world, wasn't it?

      Correct. All of the projects mentioned by the GP are similar in this respect, in that they required large investments of capital and manpower, and were the collective contribution of many very smart people. There is certainly plenty of groundbreaking science left to be done, but the idea of a lone patent clerk coming up with a huge breakthrough seems laughable now. Perhaps some genius will manage to invent cold fusion in his garage, but I doubt it.

      I recommend reading "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" for a good overview of how the field of physics changed in the 20th century. At the start, the experiments being done were almost simple enough for a present-day undergraduate lab course, but many led to enormous advances. By 1940, the field had advanced to the point where massive government investment was required to perform the experiments, and that's where it stayed.

    3. Re:Its going on right now - just look! by Tagged_84 · · Score: 2

      So very very true!

      I literally stayed home all last year (maybe a month outside tops) after leaving full time work, decided to dedicate the year to myself and leisure (damn first world problems! I'm only 29) and ended up spending over 12 hours every day online trying to keep up to date on the new breakthroughs and studies in most fields. The speed we're progressing at is so insane that perhaps this is why such articles are around, it's that there's so much ground breaking science happening our brains do what they do best and adapt to the patterns and assume them away.

      I'm trying to rein myself in on the reading this year since there is just not enough time in the day to stay up-to-date and have a semblance of a life.

    4. Re:Its going on right now - just look! by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

      What the heck. It wasn't like one guy built a particle accelerator in his basement and discovered the Higgs boson. It took a large team of scientists and a large research infrastructure, which is what the article is about.

      --
      Slashdot: providing anti-social weirdos a soapbox, since 1997.
    5. Re:Its going on right now - just look! by joe_frisch · · Score: 1

      A lot of earlier work was also done by more people that is suggested by the popular literature. The time and space transforms in Einstein's relativity are called the "Lorentz transforms". I'm not in any way trying to reduce the importance of what Einstein did, but he wasn't working in a vacuum.

      Still, you are right that science today seems to require more people and resources. I don't know if this is fundamental - its possible that we really have found all the "easy" experiments to do, but someone may well come along with a breakthrough that proves that wrong.

      The post title seemed to be emphasizing the decline of science, not the in increasing number of resources required to do it.

    6. Re:Its going on right now - just look! by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Experimental physics has frequently involved lots of people, throughout scientific history.

      Robert Brout and François Englert; Peter Higgs and Gerald Guralnik; and C. Richard Hagen and Tom Kibble are not thousands of people. Yes, there were six of them, but their discoveries were more or less independent. Pop culture remembers Newton (as it remembers only Higgs) but Laplace was in there too.

  19. Strikes rule by jabberw0k · · Score: 2

    Starting next year: Downgrade six planets illegally and you'll get booted off the Internets.

    Furthermore, Yes, Virginia, everything that can be invented already has. Close the patent office.

    1. Re:Strikes rule by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Furthermore, Yes, Virginia, everything that can be invented already has. Close the patent office.

      Oh, come on, we've barely begun to scratch the surface of patents like Amazon's 'creating artificial scarcity' patent from yesterday.

      There's all sorts of inane business process patents and "things which look like things in real life but with a computer" patents yet to be granted.

      --
      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
  20. Era of Groundbreaking Stupidity Begins! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, read a little and realize how dumb what you just submitted is.

  21. You haven't invented time travel yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But you will.

                                                                - John Titor

    1. Re:You haven't invented time travel yet ... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      If time travel ever is discoverable, where are all the time travelers?
      Similar with FTL - where are all the aliens (and, again, time travelers)?

      There are some fundamentals like the arrow of time and the absolute barrier of c that seems inviolate, as otherwise we would have seen evidence that we just don't see.

      Sure, there is lots more to discover, but discovering limits is also discovery.

    2. Re:You haven't invented time travel yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If time travel ever is discoverable, where are all the time travelers?
      Similar with FTL - where are all the aliens (and, again, time travelers)?

      OK, I'm with you on the time travelers, but aliens? Dude, where have you been? They are everywhere.

      Seriously though, if FTL travel is possible there is no reason to believe that there are large number of aliens traveling FTL that can or want to come here. Even with the large number of planets out there, intelligent life may be fairly uncommon and FTL travel may be very hard and expensive. We may be interesting, but getting here might not be unlike an expensive James Cameron deep ocean probe.

    3. Re:You haven't invented time travel yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fundamental flaw with this argument is that you assume that now is a time period time travelers would want to go to.

    4. Re:You haven't invented time travel yet ... by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      If time travel ever is discoverable, where are all the time travelers?

      Perhaps they vanished in a parallel reality? If you travel to the past, you will change the future. Like a butterfly causing a storm, a single breath will change the future, and your future you will not be yourself anymore, which imply that you are not you anymore.

    5. Re:You haven't invented time travel yet ... by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      if time travel is possible at all, it stands to reason that our descendants are not in fact in posession of divine levels of self control and either

      the future is predetermined and mankind is doomed before we ever discover time travel

      or b)time travel requires some sort of anchor or beacon point to carry out and thus can't really travel back prior to the first time travel machines

      --
      Snowden and Manning are heroes.
    6. Re:You haven't invented time travel yet ... by tbird81 · · Score: 1

      I'd never really thought of point b before, that's interesting.

      Slightly off-topic, but I just rethought of this. It's something that always annoying me about people using wormholes to time travel. If wormholes existed beaming light and matter from elsewhere in spacetime, that we would have seen the openings.

    7. Re:You haven't invented time travel yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, just about missed the reference. Shouldn't've had John's name so far over if you wanted it to be seen.

  22. "IP" by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 1

    Only if ideas can be patented, in which case, yeah, we might expect science to grind to a halt.

    1. Re:"IP" by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      Only if ideas can be patented, in which case, yeah, we might expect science to grind to a halt.

      You've just managed to scare me.

      --
      Do not mock my vision of impractical footwear
  23. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just Say No.

  24. Your colleagues ... by stoicio · · Score: 2

    Gee, I thought 'anonymous' only hacked networks.
    Who knew you also work on particle physics....

  25. I don't see why not. by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Einstein was famous because his discovered relativity. If he didn't discover it, someone else would have, and they would have been approximately as famous as Einstein.

    There are lots of really famous scientists like bohr, heisenberg, feynman, etc. They did amazing groundbreaking work. And that wasn't even too long ago. Some science involves spending billions of dollars on particle accelerators to verify existing hypotheses, but it still takes visionaries (like Peter Higgs) to come up with the ideas worth building an LHC to verify.

    To say that no one will ever be as famous as einstein, is to say that there isn't anything else out there that we could learn that would be as mind blowing as relativity. Maybe that's true, but I don't see any reason to believe it is true.

    After Newton came up with his laws, I'm sure the scientists of the time felt they'd pretty much figured it out. Sure there was some details that needed filling in, but Newton had hit the nail on the head and it was just a matter of time before everything else fell into place with this new knowledge. Why would anything contradict these laws? They are so perfect!

    Well it turns out they weren't so perfect afterall, and observations did contradict Newtons laws that they had to be wrong in some fundamental way. Nothing but a revolutionary theory was going to make sense of it.

    We are already in a time when stuff doesn't make sense. Phase 1 complete. All we need is for someone to complete phase 2 and come up with a clean equation (or a crazy dirty one) that explains it all, and phase 3 build a really fucking expensive death ray type device to open a portal into another dimension to verify that it's right. What an exciting time we live in.

    When you read about scientific history, it seems like discoveries come so fast because we get to skip all the boring parts. In the present it seems to go so slow because we can't fast forward. But in reality things are going so much faster now. Maybe the next great scientists will be an artificial intelligence that we create.

    1. Re:I don't see why not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Einstein was famous because his discovered relativity. If he didn't discover it, someone else would have, and they would have been approximately as famous as Einstein.

      You mean like Henri Poincaré who stated the principle of relativity in Saint-Louis in 1904 and who proved that the Lorentz equations are a mathematical group before Einstein did (special relativity)?

      Or David Hilbert, who has proven the law of warpage before Einstein did (general relativity)?

      Einstein became as famous as he is because he went to America where he was Disneyfied.

    2. Re:I don't see why not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of these days a lonely man invents a warp drive to get to the girls and what do we have? Vulcans!

    3. Re:I don't see why not. by cpricejones · · Score: 1

      I think it's important to note that Einstein contributed to many other findings aside from relativity. Great scientists typically have their hands in many other things even though the public (or the Nobel prize committee) may recognize them primarily for a single set of findings.

    4. Re:I don't see why not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bohr was the real hero. He's the guy who saw something in relativity. It doesn't matter if someone else came up with it, nobody else would have looked at it.

    5. Re:I don't see why not. by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      Yes but this was not unique to Einstein. I think the importance of the discovery of relativity is really what sets him apart. It was the idea of the variability of space and time itself that was the key insight that allowed humanity to proceed passed this idea that all of humanity took for granted. Once we knew space and time were not constant, then it opened up all these new doors. All the further discoveries were very important as well, but it seemed like so many of them hinged on getting passed the roadblock of discovering relativity.

    6. Re:I don't see why not. by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      What happened to Henri was a travesty indeed.

      --
      I come here for the love
  26. It's the public education and R&D, stupid. by Uberbah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    500 years ago: scientific research is done by aristocrats as a self-funded hobby, or sometimes by priests after the Catholic Church got over it's butthurt on heliocentrism. Printing is exorbitantly expensive and education for the general population. There might have been hundreds of Issac Newtons born in a generation, but they ended up working on farms or in the military, not going to an academy.

    Now: research is directly sponsored by governments. You don't have to be in the priesthood or be the child of rich parents to go to secondary school anymore - though the latter certainly helps with admissions and student loans. The Mars Rovers were huge government funded, collaborative projects, not a hobby by Bill Gates. And of course the Internet allows sharing of data at a speed and volume that Newton never could have imagined.

    You would hope the "anonymous reader" would have thought about this after a couple seconds, and is just posing the question for conversational purposes....

    1. Re:It's the public education and R&D, stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once again, the Galileo vs. Catholic debate was not over whether the earth revolved around the sun, it was over something Galileo wrote that (unintentionally?) used a name that was ascribed to the pope to identify the fool side of a discussion. It didn't help that galileo insisted many of his models be accepted as fact when he did not provide the evidence (he was also caught up in the 'perfect circle orbits' idea of the ancient Greeks).
      Copernicus had already proven heliocentricity (with full Catholic approval) in the early 1500s, and Galileo's dispute wasn't until sometime around 1600.

  27. No IP for E=Mc^2 by stoicio · · Score: 1

    'Big Al' didn't get IP from the 'ergs from mass' thing.

    1. Re:No IP for E=Mc^2 by slew · · Score: 1

      'Big Al' didn't get IP from the 'ergs from mass' thing.

      But 'Big Al' did patent a refrigerator... (e.g., US patent #1781541)

  28. Two possibilities: by rnturn · · Score: 2

    All the low-hanging fruit -- i.e. discoveries -- have mostly been discovered and what remains requires the "big science" projects like CERN that involve hundreds or thousands of scientists. Or... today's scientists just don't measure up to the Einsteins, Bohrs, et al. (OK... I've got on my Nomex longjohns on... fire away.)

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    1. Re:Two possibilities: by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      You're comparing experimentalists and theorists. Apples and oranges.

      I could just as easily say that the 1874 Venus transit expedition was an example of how big science was required in the 1800s because it was much more difficult or scientists just didn't measure up to the likes of Yang and Mills.

    2. Re:Two possibilities: by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      I'm just waiting for AI to come online (Watson, HAL, etc) and make the discoveries for us. When such a thinking machine is possible, we just have to ask. I'm sorry, but Einstein's noodle was exceptionally rare. We can't rely on another one of him anytime soon.

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    3. Re:Two possibilities: by quantaman · · Score: 1

      CERN wasn't a great example, if there's anything that compares to relativity in changing how we look look at the Universe it's string theory (if we can ever verify it), and if we look at the history of string theory, there must be twenty names listed.

      Think of science like a sports league, when it's a small town league you'll regularly get kids who dominate every aspect of the game, but as the level of competition gets higher and higher those outliers become more and more rare. There may be a dozen physicists today with the same talent as Einstein, maybe a few with more, and because everyone is so talented no one can really stand out from among the rest.

      Added to this is the fact that a lot of the previous big discoveries were relatively low hanging fruit, the amount of work you need to do climbing the tree of knowledge to get anything new really limits how much you can pick.

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  29. ...eventually by hanshotfirst · · Score: 1

    " Those scientists who were able to throw off the yoke of established knowledge and break new ground on their own are revered and respected."... many years later. Their contemporaries often criticized and ridiculed them, even threatening excommunication if they didn't recant.

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  30. Define groundbreaking by Kwyj1b0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure, Einstein was ground breaking, but apart from E=mc^2, how many people know what he did (or even what it means)? How many know of the photoelectric effect? Relativity and quantum mechanics gets thrown around a lot as buzzwords, but most people have no idea what they mean.

    So you might consider that Einstein has become a great popularizers of science - unintentionally, but most people know that he was in a physicist, and don't really have a clue what he did.

    You seem to want groundbreaking to mean both Famous and Important Contributions. But I'm not sure how long it took for Einstein to become a household name. And you also want it to be One man/woman. That might not be as realistic anymore. Because research in most areas requires lots of equipments and teams (except in a few areas - theoretical mathematics and physics come to mind). But just because it is a team, doesn't make it any less valuable.

    In fact, I prefer teams and organizations get recognition. Students and the younger crowd have something concrete to work towards. Not "I want to be the next XYZ", but instead "I want to work at XYZ". They might have a hero-worship of the organization, but will still work hard towards something measurable.

    1. Re:Define groundbreaking by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Einstein wasn't an unintentional popularizer of science. He was a Carl Sagan who also happened to make a really big discovery. Einstein wrote one of the most accessible books relativity ever published and represented science in politics, among other things.

  31. It is too many groundbreaking that misled you IMHO by dng88 · · Score: 0

    Around turn of the last but one century (1900), the end of physics was in sight. Done it you know. It took a nobody who is not even got a tutorship in U and has to do a patent to break everything in one year. He even got a Nobel Price in QM which he did not believe! Since then, no one dare to say anything. What can be said now is that change is so inherent and everyone is finding their breakthrough that it is not aware of so many discovery and changes around us. Just like water to fish. Just 30 years ago, do you think you can have 42" colour TV in your pocket, now our HD resolution IPAD same as that -- if you hold your IPAD and sit in your sofa and check. It is effectively the same size! ... That is enable by a lot of material science breakthrough, ... It is just so many (but little or stable) that you are drown with discovery everyday. Just now sure can a clerk somewhere can do what he did then. Have to give up a child and never found her again in his life.

  32. what kind of breakthroughs do you expect by ganv · · Score: 2

    Many seem to be declaring that a new breakthrough is right around the corner. But I suspect they don't realize how successful our current theories already are. In fundamental physics, we simply can't find anything that deviates from our current theories at scales smaller than a galaxy and at energies small enough to be relevant to anything except the big bang and future particle colliders. What would a breakthrough in fundamental physics look like? Maybe someone finds a supersymmetric particle that guides us to a theory uniting general relativity and quantum mechanics. Our understanding would advance, but what practical effect would it have? Our theories already predict the behavior of matter and energy at the scales relevant to human life in our corner of the galaxy very accurately. It would be at best a minor correction to precision measurements. (And eventually in thousands of years when humans start travelling across the galaxy there might be some practical relevance for understanding dark matter etc.) The important revolutions to come in science are not in fundamental physics. They are in learning how to apply the known laws of physics to the behavior of the human brain, the global climate, ecosystems on earth, etc. And these problems are much less amenable to solution by a single genius like Einstein. They are more likely to fall to large group efforts coupling massive computational resources with experiments and multi-scale theoretical models.

    1. Re:what kind of breakthroughs do you expect by careysub · · Score: 1

      In fundamental physics, we simply can't find anything that deviates from our current theories at scales smaller than a galaxy and at energies small enough to be relevant to anything except the big bang and future particle colliders.

      There is still no general theory of superconductivity.

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    2. Re:what kind of breakthroughs do you expect by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      Uh huh. Got an apple? Drop it. We still don't really know how that works. We've got a theory that describes what happens pretty well, the only problem is that it's incompatible with pretty much everything else we think we know. Don't think resolving that would have some practical implications? See Star Trek to get an idea of some of the things we could do if we could manipulate gravity the way we do electromagnetism.

      Okay, how about something a little closer to home. If you live in New York it's quite possible that some of the electricity powering the computer you typed your message on came to you via a superconducting trunk line. That's a high temperature superconductor. While we think we mostly understand regular superconductors, we really don't understand high temperature ones. Possible practical applications? Niven talks about some in Ringworld. I'm sure you can find lots of other examples.

      Of course, if you leave physics there are all kinds of things ripe for revolution, or actively undergoing it. Biology is the obvious one.

    3. Re:what kind of breakthroughs do you expect by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Maybe someone finds a supersymmetric particle that guides us to a theory uniting general relativity and quantum mechanics. Our understanding would advance, but what practical effect would it have?

      Well, reconciling GR and QM seems to imply a unification of the electroweak interaction and gravitation. The whole "let's rotate magnets around to generate electric currents" that underpins our modern society of lighting, computers and telecommunications is a result of the understanding of the unification of the electric and magnetic interactions.

      With this knowledge we manipulate magnetic fields to generate electric currents (generators), and manipulate electric fields to move magnets (electric motors). If we were able to understand the unification of electromagnetism and gravitation, such that by manipulating EM fields in some (as yet not understood way) we could alter gravitational fields what would the practical applications be? Maybe goddamn hoverboards and warp drives? Negative mass fields that could hold open a wormhole?

      You're right about the behavior of matter and energy at the scales relevant to human life, but we already manipulate energy beyond that level (think nuclear bombs and reactors). So yes, perhaps manipulating gravitational fields will require levels of EM power far beyond that, which is perhaps why Star Trek warp drives require antimatter reaction with dylithium crystals. But the applications are obvious and awesome.

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    4. Re:what kind of breakthroughs do you expect by ganv · · Score: 1

      The only way to manipulate gravity that anyone has found is to move mass around. Similarly, we manipulate electromagnetism by moving charges around. But we don't have a theory of quantum gravity precisely because we have not found any ways of moving masses that doesn't agree with the predictions of general relativity. In short, there is no evidence of any effects of quantum gravity that could be exploited for any of the Star Trek like manipulations of gravity. For E&M, the situation was exactly the opposite. There were a hole bunch of observed phenomena before there was any useful theory. The last two examples (superconductivity and biology) fall into the latter part of my comment...There will be major revolutions. But they will not be in fundamental physics. They will be in our ability to use our known theories to predict the behavior of complex systems.

    5. Re:what kind of breakthroughs do you expect by ganv · · Score: 1

      There are many cases like this. I mentioned the human brain. But there is no evidence to suggest that superconductivity is not simply many body quantum mechanics. Unsolvable at the moment, yes. But it doesn't show any deviations from current theory in a fundamental sense.

    6. Re:what kind of breakthroughs do you expect by ganv · · Score: 1

      I think you misunderstand the situation with our understanding of gravity. We already have a theory that describes everything we have been able to observe on scales smaller than a galaxy. This is very different than magnetism where we were using magnets for hundreds of years before we had an adequate theory. My point is that solving a theoretical inconsistency (like quantum gravity) has no clear practical consequences when there are no observations that need to be explained.

      Nuclear reactions are already well within the range of energy scales that are fully described by our current theories. You have to be at truly exotic energies that haven't existed since the big bang (except in very rare cosmic rays or in our future particle colliders) before you might find deviations from our current theories.

      Many of you seem focused on Star Trek. Does it not seem a little odd that it is fictional entertainment rather than experiments that are being used to decide what is physically possible? No one has ever detected anything moving faster than the speed of light. A hint of neutrinos going 1 part in a million faster than light was treated as a major anomaly this past year, until it was found to be an experimental error. There is no reason whatsoever to expect warp drives...except the human attraction to wishful thinking. And there is also no reason to think that wormholes exist or that we would be able to manipulate them.

  33. Public recognition is a PR thing by rroman · · Score: 1

    Let's take Stephen Hawking as an example. He is thought to be one of the biggest geniuses nowadays. But if you ask common public member, what did he discover, most people won't be able to say a single thing. He published many books for general public, which made him good PR, he is disabled, which is good for such image too. The media think, that he is current Albert Einstein and hence the general public does.

    To be sure somebody doesn't take me wrong, I took S.H. just as an example, I'm not by any means questioning his work.

    1. Re:Public recognition is a PR thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Stephen Hawking is a bigger deal, in terms of popular attention, than Einstein ever was. After all, how many times was Einstein on The Simpsons? (Both Hawking and Einstein were on Star Trek, so they're even there.)

    2. Re:Public recognition is a PR thing by careysub · · Score: 1

      Einstein appears in The Simpsons. As a zombie. Since he is dead there aren't too many other opportunities for him to show up in Springfield.

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  34. Is this a serious question or a troll? by Proudrooster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Answer any of the following and you too can win a Nobel prize...

    1. What is a magnetic field?
    2. What is a electric field?
    3. What is gravity?
    4. Do tachyons exist?
    5. Does the Higgs Boson exist?
    6. Does matter decay?
    7. Is a magnetic field really a field or is it just another property of space-time?
    8. In how any dimensions does the Universe or multiverse exist? (The basic question of string theory)
    9. Can magnetic and electric fields be quantized or are they continuous?
    10. Can time and space be quantized or is it continuous?
    11. Why can't we all just get along?
    12. Is the universe a giant predetermined simulation playing out or do we have free will.

    We are a species that just recently wandered in off the Sahara. We know a lot about a little. Our knowledge is like Swiss cheese, full of holes, gaps, and inconsistencies. There are things we observe but can't explain and things we can explain but can't observe. Go watch this video from Fenyman...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsgBtOVzHKI

    1. Re:Is this a serious question or a troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Savanna maybe.

    2. Re:Is this a serious question or a troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [So sayeth Wikipedia]
      People lived on the edge of the desert thousands of years ago[7] since the last ice age. The Sahara was then a much wetter place than it is today. Over 30,000 petroglyphs of river animals such as crocodiles [8] survive, with half found in the Tassili n'Ajjer in southeast Algeria. Fossils of dinosaurs, including Afrovenator, Jobaria and Ouranosaurus, have also been found here. The modern Sahara, though, is not lush in vegetation, except in the Nile Valley, at a few oases, and in the northern highlands, where Mediterranean plants such as the olive tree are found to grow. The region has been this way since about 1600 BC, after shifts in the Earth's axis increased temperatures and decreased precipitation.[9] Then, due to a climate change, the savannah changed into the sandy desert as we know it now.

    3. Re:Is this a serious question or a troll? by ganv · · Score: 3, Informative

      Your list is a bit problematic. We have excellent theories of quantum electrodynamics that are compatible with special relativity and effectively answer 1,2 7 and 9. 3 is good: there would be a nobel prize for anyone who creates a successful theory of quantum gravity. 4 is like asking 'does bigfoot exist'. We have very good reasons to think the answer is no. 5 wouldn't get you a nobel prize becomes the first publication was last summer. 6 has a definite answer 'yes and no: top quarks decay, electrons do not'. I suppose you mean 'do protons decay'. That one would get you a nobel prize. 8 would also get you a nobel prize, but you would have to connect it to something measurable, which the string theorists seem to strictly avoid. And 11 and 12 are good questions for the sociologists and philosophers. 10 amounts to about the same thing as 3, basically it is asking for quantum general relativity. But none of these questions (excepting the last two non-scientific ones) have any clear practical relevance to our world. What technology will you build after answering them?

    4. Re:Is this a serious question or a troll? by Proudrooster · · Score: 1

      What technology will you build after answering them?

      We have made quite a few novel technologies from exploiting the electromagnetic fields, but gravity eludes us. Imagine if we could use our electromagnetic technologies to play with gravity fields. We could generate gravity and build amazing trash compactors and possibly even fusion generators, in addition to a whole new realm of practical jokes. Just imagine the practical jokes you could play with a gravity field generator, Additionally, we could possibly generate gravity shielding to reduce the weight of cars, space launch vehicles, and if it could be made small enough, I could put it in the soles of my shoes.

      I took the quantum class and would argue that we have the equations and understand how particles behave in their relativistic nature, but the best definition we can give for something like magnetism is, "it's a field", or "it's a virtual massless photon". Even the wave-particle duality of the electron is a mystery.

      Do the magnetic or electromagnetic fields even exist or are they simply a property of space time? I think we have a pretty good handle on electric charge and physical properties, but truly understanding, not just describing phenomena like fields still seems out of our reach. And of course, the Grand Unified Field Theory still eludes us. Have we even found all the field phenomena? If it wasn't for some poor shepherd playing with rocks (lodestone) and identifying an edge case we might still not know about the magnetic field. Actually with the discovery of metals and acids we probably would have stumbled up on it.

      I look at us as a collection of brilliant computer hackers. We can write code that exploits the system and create slick apps, but we are ignorant of the underlying architecture, circuitry, electronics and complex manufacturing processes that went into creating the device on which our apps do (theoretically) useful things.

      And of course, the ultimate technologies would be force fields, warp drives, transporters, and photo torpedos.... right after the Holideck. I am not sure that lightsabers will ever be possible :)

    5. Re:Is this a serious question or a troll? by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 1

      12. Is the universe a giant predetermined simulation playing out or do we have free will.
      Both :)

    6. Re:Is this a serious question or a troll? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Hoverboards. Sheesh.

    7. Re:Is this a serious question or a troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theories do not equate to truth. You know that.

      This post is an excellent example of the fact that science and religion are not so different at all. Same coin, opposite sides.

    8. Re:Is this a serious question or a troll? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      or do we have free will.

      Define free will.

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    9. Re:Is this a serious question or a troll? by nayrbn · · Score: 1

      Many of those are philosophical questions that one might argue cannot ever be satisfactorily answered. If there is an implicative structure to the universe (A is caused by B which is caused by C ... ) eventually you will reach some cause to which we don't have an explanation (... which is caused by Z). Take the appearance of the color blue--we can say many scientific things about the color blue, but its actual color? Is there an explanation? So some things we are forced to take as is. It may be true we DON'T have to take things like gravity just as they are but we have reasons to believe if not, something else will replace it.

    10. Re:Is this a serious question or a troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Already known, experimentally verified
      2) Already known, experimentally verified
      3) Already known, experimentally verified
      4) No, pending evidence.
      5) Yes, experimentally verified
      6) No, pending evidence
      7) A field is a mathematical concept we use to describe the interaction of forces.
      8) 3 space + 1 time, pending evidence of string theory predictions
      9) Yes.
      10) No.
      11) Because I hate you.
      12) No.

    11. Re:Is this a serious question or a troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the one I'd like to know:

      Which came first, the nucleus or the cell wall?

    12. Re:Is this a serious question or a troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      quantum gravity the aspect that things on small levels appear to be popping in and out of existance just to me proves that a dimensional boundary is mor eporus but has weight to keep the particle there and somewhere else.
      they say keep it simple stupid for a reason.
      proving that is why cern wants to "punch a hole in the universe"

      reason i think they will never succeed is that the very fact giant sized black holes still exist proves that the dimensional boundary is a lot tougher on large scales to squash and i bet on the other side is in same place a black hole.

  35. The 6th decimal place by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The people you are thinking of are Lord Kelvin and Michelson. Michelson quoted lord Kelvin as saying all future science is in the 5th decimal place. But, as Michelson went on to explain, he didn't mean everthing left was about dotting i's and crossing t's. He meant it was unlikely that classica physics was profoundly wrong in the realms we observe and inhabit but there could be great physics out there. It just had to be lurking in the shadows-- out in the 5th decimal place. And sure enough it was. ANd still is. Just the other day someone measured the radius of a proton using muons instead of the usual electrons and it was wrong by 4%. That's absurdly huge. COuld be some new physcis is about to move into the light.

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    1. Re:The 6th decimal place by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He meant it was unlikely that classical physics was profoundly wrong in the realms we observe and inhabit but there could be great physics out there.

      "John, when people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together." - Asimov, The relativity of wrong.

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    2. Re:The 6th decimal place by dido · · Score: 1

      Well, the odd thing was that Lord Kelvin was wrong about future science being in the fifth decimal place, and it wasn't lurking in the shadows, but would stare at them right in the face, as his peer in the House of Lords, Lord Rayleigh found out. An equation Rayleigh formulated (the Rayleigh-Jeans formula) showed, using classical physics known at the time, that an ideal blackbody at thermal equilibrium should emit radiation with infinite power (the so-called ultraviolet catastrophe). Attempts to fix this obviously wrong result by Max Planck and others led to what is today called quantum mechanics. There are many places where modern physics shows similar divergences, and perhaps there is a similar scientific revolution waiting in the wings there as well.

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  36. Yes because Simpsons did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All of it.

  37. Some things never change... by mschaffer · · Score: 1

    Some things never change. Stupid gimboids complaining that everything has been invented and lamenting that all the groundbreaking science has been done is probably one of the few immutable things one can count on (like taxes).

  38. Betteridge's law of headlines by Dodgy+G33za · · Score: 3, Informative
    1. Re:Betteridge's law of headlines by gargleblast · · Score: 2

      Although there seems to be some overlap between the era of scientists answering really tough questions, and the era of journalists asking really dumb questions.

  39. Old Higgsy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My how quickly we forget the insane fan fare that just months ago surrounded Peter Higgs. While I understand the sentiment of the article, there will simply always be individuals that make great strides and discoveries which then later garner main stream media attention, in spite of the growing fact that conglomerates and large teams at universities make discoveries rather than individuals... and why shouldn't it be this way?

    Massive funding and teams of individuals can make progress at a greater rate than any individual could ever be expected to. There are simply too many nuances upon nuances in science now, to have them all be understood even by the greatest of geniuses.

    This may however not hold true for theoretical science (i.e. theoretical physics)... which can largely still be worked on by individuals, owing largely to the fact that much of what they work on will never be supported or disproven in their life times, given out current lack of ability to research such things.

    Again Peter Higgs is a perfect example.... His Higgs-Boson theory could NEVER have been proven (I know, I know never say proven) without the billions of dollars of funding provided to test his theories.

    1. Re:Old Higgsy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That alights on a second point. The scientific method has been changed to a more adversarial model -- scientist "A" states a discovery, and there is a VERY good chance he is pulling it out of his ass (such as the cloning research a while back that was proven to be bogus.)

      So funding has to go not just to find discoveries but to make sure they are actually present and not just bullshit so someone can snag tenure at their university.

  40. There is growth in some fields. by PerlPunk · · Score: 1

    Some fields where there is growth and potential for breakthrough will include the field of statistics proper and fields that rely heavily on it. The revolution in information technology has enabled growth in the field of statistics because it has allowed the investigation of theoretical questions that could not be tested before cheap and powerful computational facility came before. CART and Random Forest algorithms, for example, were made possible by the IT revolution. Fields like genetics (obviously) and sociology and psychology (less obviously) will grow because of this.

    Note that in these last two fields (sociology, psychology), there have in the last 100 years been no breakthroughs that are the equivalent of a heart-transplant or splitting the atom. So, there is indeed room for growth in these fields.

    That said, along with information technology, fields in the humanistic sciences will still probably be constrained by the ability to reliably a) observe phenomena, and b) account for a vast number of hidden variables. So advances there will be the result of revolutions in ability to observe human phenomena.

  41. No Science is not at an end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd say that some actual scientists are just as well known:

    Lawrence M. Krauss
    Steven Hawkins
    Richard Dawkins

    Also I would point out that Neil deGrasse Tyson is a working scientist who does do real research, as was Carl Sagan

    Yes we may be in the middle of a non revolutionary period in science but doesn't mean that a revolution isn't on its way. Heck You will find quite a few writers who would argue that quantum mechanics as it stands is in desperate need of another Einestine to come along and replace it with something more coherent. Its just that such that to do something that ground breaking you have to be born at the right place and at the right time. And that just does not happen that often.

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  43. Yeah Right! by nicoleb_x · · Score: 1

    OK, so how does gravity work again? We don't know Jack!

    1. Re:Yeah Right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sucks.

    2. Re:Yeah Right! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      How gravity works is simple. Take a hammer, put your toe under it and watch gravity in all its glory.

      How it works is well established. The question (the only question actually, in most applications) is why.

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    3. Re:Yeah Right! by sconeu · · Score: 1

      How?

      Space-time tells matter where to go. Matter tells space-time what shape to be.

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    4. Re:Yeah Right! by tbird81 · · Score: 1

      So how does the hammer get pulled towards the earth? What "grabs" it? Or what pushes it? Or what makes it roll down that curvature of space-time?

      I'd like to know how.

    5. Re:Yeah Right! by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      That's not the right question. That question has a simple answer. Nothing grabs it, or pushes it, and the hammer doesn't "roll down" a curvature of space-time. The hammer just continues in a straight line the way it was already moving. Space-time just happens to be bent around the Earth in such a way that straight lines passing near it converge toward its center.

      The right question is, why does space-time distort in the presence of mass-energy?

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  44. Of course not by smittyoneeach · · Score: 0

    Until half of scientists are female, science remains fundamentally sexist.
    Let's break some ground, and get more ladies in there.
    Because #Fairness.

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    1. Re:Of course not by foniksonik · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Until half of interior designers are male, interior design remains sexist. Lets break some ground and get more gents in there.

      Because #Bluntness

      p.s. the reason there are more females in interior design is that more females enjoy that kind of work/challenge.

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    2. Re:Of course not by np2392 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "p.s. the reason there are more females in interior design is that more females enjoy that kind of work/challenge." I don't understand why more people don't accept this. Why is thinking that their is a fundamental difference between the sexes and that they are better suited for different hobbies/challenges/activities so wrong? Why do we push for equality for equality's sake? You are seeing this with video games recently and the complaints that the video game industry is sexist, there aren't enough women in the industry, games are not made equally for men and women, etc. Why is it not okay to just accept that video games are a hobby that have a special appeal for males? The same thing applies to science. No one is saying women can't be scientists, it's just that the male gender is more likely to be better suited for the role of a scientist. It doesn't mean women are stupider or worse than men, it just means they think differently. Why is difference such a bad thing?

    3. Re:Of course not by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 1

      Because we all want hot smart sexy geeky gamer scientist girlfriends?

      Lets face it, normal girls are boring. Really boring.

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    4. Re:Of course not by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      Until half of scientists are female, science remains fundamentally sexist.
      Let's break some ground, and get more ladies in there.
      Because #Fairness.

      As a single male scientist, I approve of this message.

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    5. Re:Of course not by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      "p.s. the reason there are more females in interior design is that more females enjoy that kind of work/challenge." I don't understand why more people don't accept this. Why is thinking that their is a fundamental difference between the sexes and that they are better suited for different hobbies/challenges/activities so wrong? Why do we push for equality for equality's sake?

      Because historically, the differences between people have been an excuse to oppress many of them. And it's not the people who are suited to the hobbies but the other way 'round.

      You are seeing this with video games recently and the complaints that the video game industry is sexist, there aren't enough women in the industry, games are not made equally for men and women, etc. Why is it not okay to just accept that video games are a hobby that have a special appeal for males? The same thing applies to science. No one is saying women can't be scientists, it's just that the male gender is more likely to be better suited for the role of a scientist. It doesn't mean women are stupider or worse than men, it just means they think differently. Why is difference such a bad thing?

      It's the stereotyping that is a bad thing. It prevents people from having the opportunities that their abilities and interests should naturally afford them.

    6. Re:Of course not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Biologically male != masculine.

    7. Re:Of course not by VoidCrow · · Score: 1

      > Why is thinking that their is a fundamental difference between the sexes and that they are better suited for different hobbies/challenges/activities so wrong?

      Because as soon as you do that, you a) start to view all of X as Y and encourage the rest of society to do the same; b) almost incidentally piss on the hopes and dreams of all those X who *aren't* Y and c) begin to look like the kind of drooling fuckwit who views life in black and white.

      Screw you for needing to have this pointed out,

    8. Re:Of course not by VoidCrow · · Score: 2

      And the same is true for normal guys - I'm assuming you missed this because you've never wanted to date them. If that assumption is unwarranted, please accept my apologies.

    9. Re:Of course not by neurophil12 · · Score: 1

      Until half of interior designers are male, interior design remains sexist. Lets break some ground and get more gents in there.

      Because #Bluntness

      p.s. the reason there are more females in interior design is that more females enjoy that kind of work/challenge.

      Oh wow, Dr. Fonik-Sonik, I'd love to see your research article showing how innate gender differences lead to disparate occupational outcomes! I'm sorry, did I lay that on too thick?

      The fact that this comment was rated as insightful boggles my mind. I would posit a far more likely hypothesis: Interior designers are more likely to be females than males (and more likely to be homosexual males than heterosexual males) because that is what the gender norms in our culture suggest. A man who while young has an interest in topics relating to interior design will get any number of social cues to stay away and focus on other topics, the same way girls get such cues to do poorly in math and science. Cultural effects on gender are pretty huge. There may well be some innate features at play for all I know, but the point is I don't know and I'm not going to just assume it.

      Also, I would kindly request you stop using your "#Bluntness" or other related phrases one might use in its place such as "I'm gonna just play devil's advocate here", "Let's be honest...", or "I'm not racist/sexist/etcist but...". You should feel free to be blunt, be a devil's advocate, attempt to have an honest conversation, and so on, but don't use those phrases as a way to get out of being responsible for poor or even damaging ideas and positions. In short, have a little bit of humility, especially when you're not an expert. It turns out you aren't superior just because you pulled some BS out of your butt.

    10. Re:Of course not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Not if they're naked.

    11. Re:Of course not by Sique · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem with this is that it is completely wrong.
      It's solely determined by culture which roles are considered suitable for men and women. I could watch the effect in real life, when former Eastern Europe went from communism to capitalism. The comp science at my local university was quite equally distributed male and female until 1990. And then came the end of the soviet dominated block, and inscriptions of female students plummeted. There were the same females than before, they even went through the same schools than before, just the last few years, when the career gets determined, were different. Suddenly business schools had a majority of female students, and comp science went to a 50:1 ratio of males and females.
      If all it takes to change the ratio of males and females interested in a subject is a change of the environment, then it's completely unacceptable to describe differences in the preferences without referring to the environment which determines the differences.

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    12. Re:Of course not by TFAFalcon · · Score: 1

      Well get more women to become scientists. There is nothing stopping them.

    13. Re:Of course not by Moses48 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. When pay was not determined by what your career, there was equal interest in the two. Once money was taken into account, then females went for the money, while males stuck with what they enjoyed. So all we need to do to get more females into science is pay them better?

    14. Re:Of course not by Moses48 · · Score: 1

      Okay, so we should ignore our differences? I can tell you that physiologically, woman have evolved to be better nurturers of baby's then men. Heck, I can't produce milk! I demand equal right to milk production! Wishing away our differences doesn't make them go away. Does that mean we should carry over those stereotypes into other area? Heck NO! Just because "women" are more nurturing than "men" doesn't mean that an individual "woman" is more nurturing than a "man". Recognizing that difference is important. Also, should we have all athletes compete together? I mean, we're being sexist by creating separate leagues for women and men, right? (tbh, women can compete in many men's leagues if they make the qualifiers, but not vice versa). We should just get rid of sex based sports all together and just have leagues dependent on how good you are. I'm quite fine with this.

      I guess my point is this. Recognizing differences and telling someone they aren't good enough are two completely different things. I can say that you are part of a population that is better suited at lifting weights than another segment of the population. That isn't really useful information in determining how good you are at weight-lifting. You could be the worst of both segments. But it does help when looking across the population at trends, and doing marketing, etc.

      On a related note: My high-school had to conform to title 9 which meant sports that women wouldn't join (american football, they were allowed in, but wouldn't join) had to be offset by sports that men couldn't play (volleyball, which I wanted to play), we had a petition to open up men's or co-ed volleyball, but it didn't go anywhere because there were already all the women sports the girls had interest in.

    15. Re:Of course not by Trillian_1138 · · Score: 1

      Until half of interior designers are male, interior design remains sexist. Lets break some ground and get more gents in there.

      Point well taken, but I I think it's sidestepping a deeper issue. You're right, men and women are different. Looking at physical atributes - height, weight, strength - and it's pretty obvious: both men and women lie along bell curves, and the curves are not identical. To use a specific example, the average woman is going to be shorter and weaker than the average man. But the curves also overlap, so that there are specific men who may be shorter than specific women or specific women who are stronger than specific men. Saying "All men are taller than all women" would be pretty stupid. So would saying "All women are better interior decorators than all men." (I don't think this is what you were saying, I'm just using your example.)

      All that means that, in my mind, the goal of reducing gender disparity in STEM fields should not be to ensure a 50/50 split between men and women. Such a 50/50 split may not be realistic for the same reason that expecting a 50/50 split between men and women in a breastfeeding competition is unrealistic: men and women are different. Rather, reducing gender disparity in STEM fields should be about reducing any artificial barriers - of education, socialization, institutional sexism, and outright discrimination - that keep out women who might otherwise love to be scientists. Likewise, we should move to reduce any similar artificial barriers that keep out men who might otherwise love to be interior decorators.

      A real-world example: Recently, the US military said it would be allowing women to serve in combat roles. I don't expect that this will result in gender equality in combat roles, nor do I think it should. But It will remove an artificial barrier that prevented women from participating in an area where some might want to be (even if it's at a lower percentage than men).

      As a side note, I think one of the major historic failings of feminism (something feminists like myself try to call out) is that sexism limits options for men, too. Sexism isn't just about women, nor is feminism.

      The problem is that determining what those barriers are is difficult. Likewise, it may be impossible to objectively determine the 'natural' gender disparity in STEM fields or in interior decorating. A goal of a 50/50 split is easier to understand and can be applied indiscriminately to any situation, which is why I think it comes up so much. Then, it gets labeled as foolish, and rightly so, but without any discussion of the deeper underlying issues. Hopefully, though, we can move forward as a society to a point where there's just as much cultural and social support for a woman to be a scientist as there is for a man, or for a man to be an interior decorator as there is for a woman. At that point, maybe we can be OK with a 9/10 or 60/40 split, or whatever it turns out to be, because we'll be confident the people who want to be there can be there, and do well.

    16. Re:Of course not by Trillian_1138 · · Score: 1

      You raise a number of points, some of which I think are valid, and some of which I think are problematic. I'll try to respond where I can.

      I don't understand why more people don't accept [that certain fields are more attractive to different genders]. Why is thinking that their is a fundamental difference between the sexes and that they are better suited for different hobbies/challenges/activities so wrong?"

      As I said in a previous post, I think the problem is artificial barriers to entry in a field/hobby/whatever. If someone wants to participate in activity/field/hobby/etc outside of their normal gender roles, I think they should be allowed to without getting shit for stepping outside of societal expectations. As a female gamer, my problem isn't as much with a lack of female game designers (although I'll talk about that in a minute) as much as the fact that men often scoff at me for attempting to participate in this 'male' realm. I don't need you (hypotehtical male, not you, np2392) to explain console difference or the history of Diablo when I've been playing video games longer than you've been alive. That's what pisses me off, not that I might be in a situation where, out of 15 gamers, only one or two others are women. I'd love to see more female gamers, because I do think many of the barriers are artificial and not actually having to do with gendered differences, but I don't pretend a 50/50 split is realistic or even desirable.

      You are seeing this with video games recently and the complaints that the video game industry is sexist, there aren't enough women in the industry, games are not made equally for men and women, etc. Why is it not okay to just accept that video games are a hobby that have a special appeal for males?

      This is where you being to lose me. I think, in this context, "sexist" has come to mean two things: The gender split isn't exactly 50/50 (what I just discussed) and larger false and unnecessary institutional and societal differences in the treatment of men and women. Take Mass Effect. I played through it as femShep and was able to have a lesbian relationship. I played through as femShep and was able to have a straight relationship. I played through as male Sheppard and was able to have a straight relationship. I played through as male Sheppard and was not able to have a gay relationship. That's more homophobia than sexism, but is an example of what I mean: an artificial difference in how characters are presented.

      Lets use armor in fantasy games as another example. I have no problem with scantily glad women if the men are also dressed in silly and objectifying costumes. But if the least-revealing outfit selection for a male character includes a full suit of armor and the least-revealing outfit selection for a female character is a corset, that's a problem. That's where I'd say the video game industry is sexist.

    17. Re:Of course not by Trillian_1138 · · Score: 1

      I think you're honestly on the right track, but that the problem is pinning down how to carry out abstract ideals. We shouldn't ignore our differences, and (as I said in a previous post) a goal of exact and numerical gender equity in science or sports or video games or interior design is both futile and counterproductive. I suspect the desire for a 50/50 split comes out of gains in women's rights over the last century: as women's voices have been heard more and more in decision making processes, it seemed "natural" to try and go for a 50/50 split. But you're right, in many situations a 50/50 split isn't "natural." The problem is that a goal of anything other than 50/50 runs the risk of playing into cultural/institutional/social/etc sexism (or racism, or whatever bigotry is under discussion).

      Now, just because it's difficult to figure out a proper gender split doesn't mean we shouldn't try. ("Proper" meaning "what would happen in the absence of cultural/institutional/social/etc sexism and false social pressures pushing people toward or away from certain activities.") I don't pretend do know how to do that, but making sure that there's equal representation in a decision making process - and honest discussions about how and why gender disparities happen - seems like a good start.

      One more thing...

      Recognizing differences and telling someone they aren't good enough are two completely different things.

      This may be picking hairs, but I think recognizing differences and telling someone they aren't good enough are different things, and yet not completely different things. What I mean is that saying "men and women are different" has - historically - often led to "...and men are smarter and better." That's why I think many feminists - myself included - are skeptical of sentences beginning with "men and women are different." It's not because we pretend men and women are identical. (Well, some so-called feminists do, but I think they're wrong.) It's because we think men and women should be afforded the same opportunities. Noting differences is often (although certainly not always) a precursor to trying to enforce such differences, even when it's not warranted. I think that's why some people immediately try to squash any real and legitimate discussions of differences, and where the "everyone must be treated exactly the same" movement came from. That concept is in the right place, just with the wrong tactics.

      Does that help explain why someone like VoidCrow might react so negatively to a claim that men and women are "just different?"

  45. The era is on hold for now. by erroneus · · Score: 0

    In case no one has been paying attention, anything creative and truly original is being held back and/or suppressed. It's the same with music, movies and all other such things. Surely the whole world didn't suddenly lose its ability to create and wonder. No.

    This is what happens when business gets behind everything. They require profits and success in a steady and predictable stream. The only way to deliver in that way is to only make incremental improvements and to remake everything over and over again.

    Welcome to the Corporate Nations of Earth. How do yu like it so far?

  46. Re:It is too many groundbreaking that misled you I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My brain hurts just trying to parse what you said. I think it would be better if you put it in whatever your native language is and we let google translate it into English. It certainly couldn't be any worse.

  47. Maybe genius has become ubiquitous by bigsexyjoe · · Score: 1

    For example, some people say physicist Ed Witten is greater than Einstein or Newton. In any case, there are probably more super geniuses working on science than ever. Maybe there are fewer breakthroughs from genius, precisely because science has become professionalized and there are already many geniuses working on the big problems. In such an environment, the huge breakthroughs and paradigm shifts just aren't left waiting around to be found.

    I'm sure there will be breakthroughs and paradigm shifts in the future, it would be silly to argue otherwise. However, maybe science has become so advanced that even the great geniuses only make incremental advances.

    In physics for example, the breakthrough wanting to happen is String Theory. Who is the man behind String Theory? Well, there isn't one man. String theory is hard. If it takes shape and takes hold, it won't be a "breakthrough." It will have been a long, hard slog with a tough problem that no single genius could solve.

  48. Not informed means end of Groundbreaking Science by Faisal+Rehman · · Score: 0

    creating synthetic cells in lab, reconstruction of visual images from brain activity, new america on moon and mars, powerful algorithms for mathematical calculation, exoskeleton, vision for blinds, end of polio. preparedness of natuural disaster and its mitigation, All these are not groundbreaking.

  49. No kidding by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    While it may take more scientists, and more and grander hardware (like the LHC) there's still plenty of cool shit left to be discovered. Also some of it will likely have some amazing practical applications.

    For example: Some day we may truly decode DNA. I don't mean just sequence it, I mean understand how it works, what it says, completely. Be able to read, and perhaps write, the code of life in a complete and precise fashion. Well that has a hell of a lot of implications as to what one could do with it, it isn't just cool science.

  50. hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until we've harnessed complete mastery of the machine that is the human body and enabled ourselves to extend the human lifespan indefinitely, I'd say that we have plenty of new frontiers to strive for.

  51. Yes it is because we are entering a new dark age. by hackus · · Score: 0

    I hate to be the one that points this out, but everything about scientific research is incredibly BRITTLE with doctrine followed upon and seated at a huge pile of money.

    Any person in society is presented with a Chixin and the egg problem if you want to get indoctrinated, you have to have a gigantic pile of cash. If you want a pile of cash you first have to be indoctrinated.

    Worse, the entire fascist system is built upon itself with the same people setting the rules who are getting the huge wads of dough because well, they make the rules.

    It must fall, it has to otherwise the darkness will grow and this quaint idea that "Gee, we are so smart there is nothing left too learn, just details." will continue.

    I believe in just the opposite: There is nothing left too learn because DOCTRINE SAYS SO, and you better not say otherwise or you will be destroyed utterly in such a system.

    So nobody does.

    That is what I believe now: We are entering a new dark age.

    What we need is something similar to the dark ages and the plague, which did us a big favor and wiped out 1/3rd of Europes nobility class and the holders of "doctrine" which freed others to bring about a revolution in thinking.

    We can first begin by killing off the bankers, and most of all of Europes and the United States technocratic/academic ruling classes.

    Maybe Russia or China would be kind enough to nuke us to get the ball rolling.

    Lets see what can happen when these bankers and technocrats are gone, and people use science to learn to develop humanity as the goal instead of using it to make ibullshit.

    -Hack

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  52. Tonight we're gonna science like it's 1905 by gman003 · · Score: 2

    Groundbreaking science is not happening right now, but it is necessary for future expansions of science.

    Right now, I feel like we're in the period between the Michelson-Morley experiment and Einstein's Special Relativity. We're 99% sure of everything we know, but there's a last 1% that doesn't quite add up. Little oddities, like nobody having a good idea as to why inertial mass and gravitational mass are the same. And once some actual genius figures out the key, "breaks the ground" as it were, that 1% will bloom into entire new fields of science. To keep up the relativity metaphor, nobody in the 1890s had any concept of quantum physics, which is now a massive field with sub-branches that you can get a doctorate in.

    Soon - probably within a few decades - someone will discover something groundbreaking, which in turn will trigger off more new discoveries. Science tends to work like that - once a critical mass of knowledge is reached in an area, it grows explosively until we near the limits of the field. Electricity is a great example. Dozens, even hundreds, of groundbreaking scientists and engineers, making their mark in electric science in a very short period of time. There were similar bursts for aeronautics, computer science, nearly any field.

    As for what this groundbreaking new field of science will be? No idea. The sci-fi nerd in me would like it to be some sort of hyperspace, to let us explore the stars in reasonable timespans, but that's no likelier than any other thing.

    1. Re:Tonight we're gonna science like it's 1905 by rk · · Score: 1

      If you have doubts about dark matter/energy, it could be argued that we are still in a pre-Michelson-Morley kind of place, and that those things are the luminiferous aether of the 21st century. Certainly they have some superficial similarities, but I am not up enough on physics to offer a competent opinion in either direction. Not trying to raise the hackles of anyone, just noting the similarity. Either way, we'll get the answer eventually, and I look forward to it.

    2. Re:Tonight we're gonna science like it's 1905 by mlts · · Score: 2

      What is the breakthrough we are twiddling our thumbs for will be something to do with energy, be it a way to do fission on the cheap, or even better, a way of doing fusion. Even cold fusion still hasn't been written off, although it has been moved into the "woo-woo" camp next to "free energy" and perpetual motion machines.

      Lets say there is a breakthrough that allows a cold fusion reactor to be made, and scalable from something that could power a watch for 100 years to terawatt reactors.

      This would completely change our world just as electricity and coal allowed a jump from using manpower to machines.

      There are inventions that we can't even think of today that would be easily possible given cheap energy. Stuff like thermal depolymerization on a mass scale to clean up the Pacific Gyre, pushing further out to have usable living space in previous uninhabitable areas, being able to actively de-pollute using chemical reactions which are prohibitively expensive today, making space exploration cheaper, and so on.

      However, until we get that energy breakthrough, modern society is coming to a slowdown. Oil and coal can only do so much, and we have passed peak on both of them [1].

      The bad thing is that the world balance of power depends on how poor the energy availability is today, and the fact that it only is going to get worse. If a country has nuclear plants, fires up a recycling plant, and gives the finger to the rest of the world since they can recycle rare earths, China would get hit with a severe economic blow. Same with the US and petroldollars. So, with the power structure as it is, getting a 1GW fission reactor working, much less a fusion one is impossible as we know it, just like it would be for someone in Europe during the Middle Ages to show a heliocentric model of the universe, so science can get over that hump and move to better discoveries.

      [1]: Peak as where it is becomes more expensive to obtain the stuff, and expenses increase. The oil wells where one could poke a stick in and get crude from the ground are long gone, same with finding anthracite or other pure burning coal.

    3. Re:Tonight we're gonna science like it's 1905 by gman003 · · Score: 1

      Good point.

      Although dark matter seems more like a cosmological constant to me. A case of "the equation works, but we have to add this one thing to make the equation match our perception of reality". "Dark matter" may exist, in some form or another, but I highly doubt it's as clean and simple as "there are all these extra particles that you can't see, or detect in any way except gravity".

    4. Re:Tonight we're gonna science like it's 1905 by EdgePenguin · · Score: 1

      The idea that dark matter is simply some fudge factor to make equations work is a massive oversimplification, and quite insulting to astrophysicists who you are basically accusing of not doing their job properly, and who you think can be second guessed by amateurs on Slashdot. Dark Matter is nothing like luminiferous ether, at all - and anybody making that comparison simply know nothing about the subject matter. There is strong evidence for actual matter out there (look up the "bullet cluster" for a start) - and repeated and sustained attempts in the literature to explain the kinematics of the universe as we observe it by altering the laws of gravity (MOND, TeVeS, and various other stuff) have so far failed to make a convincing case, despite having 30 years of being able to freely present and argue their case.

      Feel free to continue making grand pronouncements about science based on your gut instinct though.

    5. Re:Tonight we're gonna science like it's 1905 by gman003 · · Score: 1

      ... did you actually read my post, or did you just see "he's kind of skeptical about some commonly-accepted scientific hypothesis, time to ridicule him?"

      First off, I wasn't saying Dark Matter was like the luminiferous aether, some theoretical thing that was assumed to exist just to support current theories. I said it was like the cosmological constant - a modification made to otherwise-sound theories to avoid certain implications.

      And what did I say after that? "Dark matter may exist". I just think it highly unlikely that there's a single (or handful of ) dark matter particle, where its only attributes are "interacts via gravity, but through every other method is may as well not exist".

    6. Re:Tonight we're gonna science like it's 1905 by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      Right now, I feel like we're in the period between the Michelson-Morley experiment and Einstein's Special Relativity.

      What intrigues me is 1876 two guys were trying to figure out how fast Earth is moving through space in same period as cowboys and indians, kingdoms, and commoners working from sunup to sundown on slave wages. And for 1905, while Einstein working on new realm of physics, other scientists are fascinated with this new radioactive materials. I recall a photo from that time period showing table of dishes containing such material, one person bending down as if he is smelling this stuff, "wow, it continually gives off heat but never cools down like burning charcoal."

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    7. Re:Tonight we're gonna science like it's 1905 by benthurston27 · · Score: 1

      The way I explained why gravitational mass and inertial mass are the same is by considering the thought experiment of two balls in space starting off a ways apart, they gravitationally attract and then kinetically bounce apart, if inertial mass and gravitational mass were different they would either eventually become stuck together or drift infinitely apart which can't happen due to conservation of energy...

  53. what will make me shit my pants ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When Quantum mechanics can be explained by General Relativity or vice versa.

    How, exactly and what, exactly is Gravity?

    The same goes for light and the rest of EM - sorry saying it's both a particle and a wave is a cop out - tell me WTF it IS.

    There's a shit load of things that probably won't lead to some shiny billionaire/trillionaire making product but would really REALLY make our understanding of physics and science that much more ... understandable.

    OH - HOW did life start?! Let's not leave out the biological sciences shall we?

    1. Re:what will make me shit my pants ... by hendrikboom · · Score: 1

      EM is pretty well exlained by quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics has gone a lot further than worrying about wave/particle duality. The details are rather mathematical (usually involving infinite-dimensional state spaces) and have the effect that under some situations things behave like particles, under others like waves. "Particles" and "Waves" are useful words because of the way we think about things in the everyday world; they fit our perception and psychology rather than the actual physics.

      And as for Quantum mechanics and gravity being interexplainable or not, Ravelli has found a way to quantize the general relativistic gravitational field equations (the hard part was to formulate them independent of the concepts of space and time). Calculating the results is still ridiculously hard, but his work does seem to indicate that the quantum eigenstates for gravity are quanta space (at something like a googol of them being in the sugar I put in my tea).

  54. Lots going on in material science.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One word: Graphene.

  55. No, it's just not profitable by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Think. You could either go and spend your life in your attempt to invent something, break your financial security and health (think of Mr. Goodyear, sure everyone knows his name now but he was poor most of his life). And in this time and age, chances are good that as soon as you actually have something worthwhile, some shyster will come along with some hare brained patent and rob you.

    Or you could hope onto the latest fad bandwagon and try to mooch yourself.

    Look around you and tell me which is it if you just want money. Because, essentially, that's what drives invention today.

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  56. It is worse on the liberal arts... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not only every breakthrough that could be made has already been made, it gets worse for the liberal arts. All the Great American Novels that could be written has already been written. Same with great poems, great opera, great screen plays and great musicals. Nothing more to invent. That is all folks. The last guy to leave please turn off the switch.

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  57. Groundbreaking Science --- its just starting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Genetics
    Molecular Biology
    Biophysics
    Physics (ala Hadron)
    Organic Chemistry
    Robotics

    Those are just a few of the totally awesome areas of Science right now. Maybe we all just get jaded by just how fast our daily lives seem to be to stop and think how incredible all of this is.

    10 years ago most people never thought of having a cell phone let alone one with GPS, the Internet, SIRI, streaming video etc.

  58. gone weeeeeee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LSD

    thats all you need

  59. No by anon208 · · Score: 0

    Cancer used to be a total death sentence, but now it is not. It required large amount of intricate research that turned into drugs like Gleevec which treat chronic myeloid leukemia as well as other cancers. Drugs that work on turning on or off cellular communication pathways are just over the horizon.

  60. An unschooled perspective by ztexas · · Score: 1

    Approaching this empirically, with a couple of 50-year intervals:
    1912-1962 general relativity, discovery of DNA, yada yada
    1963-2013 quantum chromodynamics, I grant you that... and supersymmetry or some such shit, various biotech engineering feats working out the details

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_scientific_discoveries#20th_century
    There does seem to be a trend towards application of established theories (essentially an engineering exercise) as opposed to new fundamental discoveries.

  61. sarcastic meta-epistemology by jacks0n · · Score: 1

    The modern epistemic culture of research, like all cultures, is the apex of the form and cannot be improved upon &tc. From this glorious pinnacle surely there could be no blind spots, epistemological or actual. Everything I see through the perfect lens of the culture I belong to belongs to the culture I belong to, from which even an illiterate buffoon could extrapolate .... a swan.

  62. Why does it have to be in relation to Einstein? by HockeyPuck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You realize that discoveries like his only come very rarely as he discussed new areas of science. How many other physicists out there were around Einstein's time?

    I'll mention an invention that is "ground breaking" and done in my lifetime.

    100Gb Ethernet.

    Growing up, I had access to a 300baud modem. That's 300 tones per second. So if one "tone" equated to a bit, then this modem could send 300 bits per second.

    100Gb is 107,374,182,400 bits.

    or the equivalent of 357,913,942 300baud modems or more modems than the population of the United States (~313m).

    Someone had to discover the technologies and methods required to be able to transmit multiple signals at 12.5Gb/sec, and how to transmit multiple wavelengths down the same copper cable or optical fibre without interference...

    Hard drive technology? When I graduated from college, the disk arrays I worked on had 9, 18 and 36GB drives in them. So a TB was a lot of storage. Now with advances in hard drive technology like GMR we have multi Terabyte hard drives in our laptops.

    Go back and read the newspapers on microfiche of when Einstein made his discoveries. I doubt people were throwing parades in his honor.

    Broaden your scope into what areas you're looking at for "discoveries".
    Other well known "inventors":

    Werner VonBraun / Robert Goddard
    Jonas Salk - discovered the cure for Polio
    Stephen Hawking...
    Edward Jenner -- Discovered vaccinations...

    1. Re:Why does it have to be in relation to Einstein? by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Go back and read the newspapers on microfiche of when Einstein made his discoveries. I doubt people were throwing parades in his honor.

      See the front page of the New York Times for No 10 Nov 1919

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    2. Re:Why does it have to be in relation to Einstein? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gigabits are not counted with binary powers, but instead decimals. 100 Gbps is 100,000,000,000 bits.

  63. misread headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought it said, "Is the Era of Groundbreaking Silence Over?", and thought, yeah John Cage did that like sixty years ago.

  64. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not until I am standing in a space suit collecting monopoles out in the rings of Saturn and trying to slink my way around the tax collector to sell my goods on Luna will groundbreaking science be over.

  65. Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There will be about 1 Million years before a speciation event. Then a lag time of 100,000 years for the next 'break through'.

    The next intelligent species will NOT be human.

    Snicker snicker Hoy Hoy. You bought the wrong stock.

  66. iFracking by retroworks · · Score: 1

    The number of topical new discoveries that I can imagine putting "i" in front of, or Android versions of, is amazing. Or the other way, imagine a Johnny Cash song about it. The "ground" is every direction from the obvious. If "groundbreaking" means "outside the expected", the capacity of Mankind to anticipate only the obvious is enormous.

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  67. Groundbreaking science by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why, just the other day I had ten guys with shovels on one group, and ten guys without shovels in another for a control group, and I ran an experiment on groundbreaking. Amazingly, the guys with shovels consistently did better. I expect to publish in Nature shortly, as soon as they it through peer review. I controlled for sleep, nutrition, and recent sexual activity. Because it is, after all, dirty work.

    Groundbreaking science lives on. Can you dig it?

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  68. Stop Confusing Science with Engineering! by fluffy99 · · Score: 2

    It bugs the crap outta me when people start equating flying cars to breaking science. Science is the fundamental stuff like the physics or biology. Engineering is the practical application of science and building things. 10-gig ethernet is the application of existing scientific principles. Now a flying car could be a scientific breakthrough if it involves a new anti-gravity module but not if it's just a small plane.

    I forsee new breakthroughs in materials science as we are starting to understand material properties in new ways (the science) and learning how to manufacture new materials with unique properties (the engineering side of the equation).

  69. Re:Why? Why? Why? by shoor · · Score: 1

    Why does anything exist? Physicists talk about vacuum energy and quantum fluctuations, but why? You answer a question and always there's another.

    Is the universe digital? A sort of computer? Is there anything in the universe that can be identified as a real number (a true smooth curve for example? I think the relativity depends on 'smoothness' doesn't it?) or is every measurable thing expressible as rationals and therefore computable?

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  70. scifi exists therefore there is by technosaurus · · Score: 1

    As long as science fiction exists as a category, there will be room for invention. Genetics, space, energy, human-machine interaction, soylent green...

  71. climate change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    needs a lot of work...

  72. "What is there left to know?" by MKatz528 · · Score: 2

    I was teaching a physics lab section at a major university. A wide-eyed undergraduate in my class realized that I was a graduate student in physics, and she asked me in a fully earnest way, "What is there left to know? Hasn't everything already been discovered?" I think the premise of the post is ridiculous on its face. Yes, there are lots of people doing research now; more than ever before, and in some ways the boundaries of the known world keep expanding. But any good scientist will tell you form personal experience that the more we learn, the more we see hoe little we know. You can understand some basic systems very well, and there are some you can master. You can even scratch the surface of complexity, but there's an infinite variety to the world, there are new phenomena being discovered every day. The one thing you cannot know is what the future holds.

  73. I Don't Think It's A New Thing... by nick_davison · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's still plenty we don't know, but so much of it is highly specialized that many breakthroughs are understood by only a handful.

    Spare a thought for poor Charles Darwin. He published Origin Of The Species in 1859 and, over a century and a half later, only 39% of Americans fully believe it.

    At least Samuel Pierpoint Langley, Svante Arrhenius and Arvid Högbom have managed to convince 63% that global climate change is real and they've only been going since the 1890s.

    Still, could be worse: Galileo was imprisoned for the remainder of his life and his writing banned in 1618. The establishment (Catholic Church) didn't lift that interdiction on heliocentrism until 1822. Darwin's got another half century before he reaches Galileo's 204 years.

    1. Re:I Don't Think It's A New Thing... by Bigby · · Score: 1

      The Catholic Church is completely on board with Darwin. I wish people would stop saying Catholics don't believe in evolution or that they take the Bible literally. The Protestant Reformation happened partly because the Catholic Church wasn't following the Bible literally (although they were pretty darn close). Every year since then, they have only drifted further and further from the Bible. Catholicism is becoming more and more a set of principles derived from teaching in the Bible. Growing up and going to Catholic school, I had to read Charlie and Chocolate Factory, but not the Bible.

  74. Neuroscience anyone? by Lairdykinsmcgee · · Score: 2

    Physics has gotten a lot of attention in response to this question, but what about Neuroscience? As a field of science, the study of the human brain really only picked up speed about 100 years ago. And, that was more so in the hands of neuro-philosophy and psychology (Freud, Bergson, etc). Neuroscience only very recently began looking like what it does today; we have only just touched the surface of answering meaningful questions about consciousness, memory, thought, pattern recognition, emotion, perception. We have only just begun to realistically pose these questions in the context of science, as opposed to a context of philosophy of the mind. We may even find, once our understanding of our brains progresses, that we weren't even asking the right questions about these subjects to begin with. The one consistency about humanity's relationship with any field of science throughout history has been that, over and over again, we think we have figured mostly everything out and all that's left is the grunt work. But every time we reach that conclusion, the next generation of scientific progression flips it on its head. Humanity as a collection of thinks will always believe it knows more than it doesn't know and it will always be sheepishly mistaken. It may be the case that we are capable of answering most of the questions we know to ask (though I doubt this as well), but the bigger truth is that we haven't yet thought to ask the questions most worth asking.

  75. Only For String Theory by littlewink · · Score: 1

    With any luck no one will be able to gather the money or political will to build a larger particle physics accelerator than the LHC. And thanks to the sequester cuts, all the string theorists can be dispersed to the four winds. Those two steps will save taxpayers plenty.

  76. Space by Niterios · · Score: 1

    We live in one of eight planets of a solar system. We have not yet visited any of these, but merely our moon. We have not even significantly probed any of them. And you say that there is no more groundbreaking science to be made?

  77. I don't buy it by tsotha · · Score: 2

    You could have said the same in Einstein's day. You could have said there was no way to measure the speed of light. That we'll never know much about particles we can't see with our strongest optical microscopes. That the atmosphere places fundamental limitations on out ability to observe the stars, and that we'll never be able to detect exoplanets until we build a horking huge telescope that's physically impossible to construct.

    Geniuses don't come along very often. It may just be that we haven't seen a true scientific genius in a few generations. Or that people who are capable of earth-shattering discoveries were lured away from science and into investment banking.

  78. Sure by KalvinB · · Score: 1

    If kids would turn off the video games and go explore the world. Clock's ticking, assholes. I want my hover-board.

  79. Funny that this questions comes up now by quax · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Two days ago the entry on a physicist, who I thought came accross something pretty profound, was deemed not noteworthy by Wikipedia. I was originally prompted to create a biographical stub on him because they have articles on two rugby players by the same name. But it seems Wikipedia has more in common with highschool than I realized: The jocks get more attention.

    Anyhow, this dude from down under found a pretty astounding approach to the correspondence principle (i.e. how QM gives rise) to classical mechanics in a mathematical framework originally developed by Steven Weinberg. Something the latter astoundingly overlooked. The talkback page on this math can be found here. The article itself meanwhile has been deleted. Please note: Not because the math is wrong, but because the citation record has been deemed to be too low by the editors.

    There's a blog post with links to his recovered papers (most follow up papers on this were actually lost for a while a never published). So if you have a physics background you can form your own opinion.

    To me this is a pretty good example of how really interesting findings can simply be washed away in the avalanche of mediocre papers that get produced every day.

    1. Re:Funny that this questions comes up now by tbird81 · · Score: 1

      On behalf of Wikipedia, and as someone who used to use that site many years ago, I am sorry for what it has become.

    2. Re:Funny that this questions comes up now by hweimer · · Score: 1

      Anyhow, this dude from down under found a pretty astounding approach to the correspondence principle [wikipedia.org] (i.e. how QM gives rise) to classical mechanics in a mathematical framework originally developed by Steven Weinberg. Something the latter astoundingly overlooked. The talkback page on this math can be found here [wikipedia.org]. The article itself meanwhile has been deleted. Please note: Not because the math is wrong, but because the citation record has been deemed to be too low by the editors.

      I like Wikipedia-bashing as much as everyone else, but in this case there is hardly anything to complain about. The Weinberg paper talks about nonlinear extensions to QM, which are widely believed to be nonexistent. So this guy found a statement on an obscure theory almost everyone believes to be wrong anyway, and you expect this to be notable enough for a Wikipedia article?

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    3. Re:Funny that this questions comes up now by quax · · Score: 1

      Well, this is were you really should study the originals papers. The obscure statement is that Weinberg's toy theory contained an exact copy of classical mechanics and hence a route to resolve the correspondence principle. Assuming his math is correct this is most noteworthy.

    4. Re:Funny that this questions comes up now by hweimer · · Score: 1

      There is nothing about the correspondence principle that needs to be resolved. This is hardly noteworthy science.

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    5. Re:Funny that this questions comes up now by quax · · Score: 1

      Bag to differ. If you only rely on Wikipedia's entry to the Ehrenfest Theorem you'd think that it always works just fine. But that isn't always the case as pretty much every textbook on QM will point out (e.g. these lecture notes:)

      ... according to Ehrenfest's theorem, the expectation values of position for this cubic potential will only agree with the classical behaviour insofar as the dispersion in position is negligible (for all time) in the chosen state.

      Weinberg's math deforms the Schroedinger equation in the same sense that you could deform Feynman's path integral back to the classical extramal principle. Hence you can recover Hamiltonian mechanics from it, and then the Ehrenfest's Theorem is of course always fully met. The correspondence principle on the other hand is just that: A principle. This however is a full mathematical description of how to get from the Schroedinger equation back to Hamilton mechanics. I.e. it exemplifies the correspondence principle. Care to show me some papers that can do the same?

    6. Re:Funny that this questions comes up now by hweimer · · Score: 1

      This however is a full mathematical description of how to get from the Schroedinger equation back to Hamilton mechanics. I.e. it exemplifies the correspondence principle. Care to show me some papers that can do the same?

      Start with any introductory material on the theory of decoherence, such as the book by Joos and Zeh.

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    7. Re:Funny that this questions comes up now by quax · · Score: 1

      Look I love me some Zeh. He and QIS can be credited to really bring back a research focus on decoherence, but these papers actually pre-date Zeh's most recent work and offer a very stringent mathematical framework (that Zeh apparently also isn't aware of).

      Hence my posting here. The point is that this is very interesting stuff that essentially has been overlooked.

      Can we at least put to bed the notion that decoherence and the correspondence principle are fully understood, as you suggested earlier?

    8. Re:Funny that this questions comes up now by hweimer · · Score: 1

      Contrary to your claims, the seminal paper on decoherence by Joos and Zeh is from 1985, so this even predates Weinberg's nonlinear QM paper by several years. I'm not claiming that we understand everything about decoherence and the quantum-to-classical transition, but it is extremely unlikely that the gaps in our knowledge can be filled by looking at exotic extensions to QM not backed by any experimental findings, no matter how mathematically appealing they might look in the first place.

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    9. Re:Funny that this questions comes up now by quax · · Score: 1

      Please reread my earlier comment. I wasn't refering to his 1985 paper but his more recent work (i.e. not more than a quater century ago) to make these points:

      • This line of research is still quite active.
      • The work that I pointed to has been overlooked, although it has been around for quite a while.
    10. Re:Funny that this questions comes up now by hweimer · · Score: 1

      Your two points are correct, but the work of this Australian guy has been largely overlooked for good reason because:
      a) It relies on an extension to QM not backed by any experimental observation.
      b) It does not solve an outstanding problem.
      I'm not saying that this work is bad or anything. It's good solid work relevant for people working in a specific sub-field, but not of such broad relevance that we have to rewrite our textbooks and give this guy a Nobel prize.

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    11. Re:Funny that this questions comes up now by quax · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, the importance is obviously in the eye of the beholder.

      To me the irony is that Weinberg developed the extension to test for how far QM linearity actually holds without realizing that his model actually allows to recover classical Hamilton mechanics.

      Still have to quibble with (b) though. To the extend that this is relevant to recovering the limit form of the Ehrenfest Theorem, it is a new tool for the ongoing effort to fully understand decoherence. That, to me, is breaking new grounds. It may not lead anywhere, but the problem is this tool has not been picked up. If it were to lead somewhere (i.e. the author did propose some novel experimental tests) it'll be indeed extremely relevant.

    12. Re:Funny that this questions comes up now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can also testify to the fact that wikipedia pruning has gotten out of hand. People who have no knowledge of the topics they are pruning but have higher level privileges are usurping the authority of people who have actual knowledge of the topics.

  80. The answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The answer to the general question is, of course no. HOWEVER it has been stalled in the US due to the political nature of our science foundations they would rather lobby, than actually push the boundaries of science this of course has made most(i said most) of them narrow minded. instead of examining facts they criticize the person putting out data that disagrees with there poin of view instead of proving them wrong with facts.

  81. I haven't had lunch on the moon yet.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....but perhaps we never will, because all of our upcoming scientists are distracted by the internet, youtube, text messaging and other constant distractions...

  82. and the answer is... by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

    Is the Era of Groundbreaking Science Over?

    No (by virtue of Betteridge's law of headlines.) I have a dream, that someday /. posters wise the f* up and stop creating headlines that end with a question mark.

  83. Re:Quantum Physics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But rather than re-examine the underlying theories and masses

    Maybe you should look into it more... and realize that physics departments will have whole groups dedicated to studying alternative gravity theories and astronomy groups trying to look for and quantify unseen masses of gas and stars (ignoring the evidence pointing toward a need for non-baryonic mass). It isn't getting just swept under the rugs, but instead being found that things like alternative gravity theories get a lot of things wrong while only fixing one or two of the large number of issues dark matter addresses.

    If all, and I mean all, of the known issues can't be solved, then don't attribute the theory as being right.

    Well, then no theory is right (without even getting into the lack of 100% certainty in science). There will always be mistakes or a conflicting measurement made outside of an error bar somewhere. At some point when you've covered 99% of the issues, you ask if the remaining 1% needs whole new theory or if it was in error, or requires some incremental new theory.

  84. Brain drain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many of the greatest minds of our generation - in the US, at least - are being sucked up by lucrative salaries in the finance industry rather than going into science. It's a terrible shame.

    Science is far from done, even if we decide to leave the project half-assed.

  85. No... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's just getting progressively more difficult for the layperson to appreciate what is groundbreaking.

    Just like the geniuses of old were polymaths, "experts" at virtually everything, we are at the other end of that spectrum where it takes a substantial chunk of a lifetime (and some serious brainpower) to become an expert at any one thing, and likewise it takes substantially more education just to appreciate the advances in various fields.

  86. Ground Breaking by Stirling+Newberry · · Score: 1

    Anyone who thinks ground breaking has been done has simply not understood the problem: many current paradigms are loaded with cruft. One important aspect of round breaking is de-crufting how we formulate knowledge. Newton, for example.

  87. Hardly... by shaitand · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is hard to have your creativity crushed, correctly, for years and not let it stifle your drive to test the walls of the box. In today's world of mature sciences nobody could make a great leap without knowing a great deal that couldn't be leaped over and where their attempts to leap failed. The people who can do it will be rarer still than in the past and in a time and place to succeed in that leap even more rarely but it will still happen eventually.

    I actually think that aside from the base knowledge needed complexity and everyone having thought of everything has nothing to do with it. Great leaps are always simple seeming after discovered and even simpler in the minds of the men who discover them.

    Einstein was such a man in a world that appeared to be filled with mature science to those of the day. It all began with a mind who could visualize things others found vastly complex as simple abstractions. Was he the first with the primitive ideas that were the core of his model? Maybe, maybe not. But he was the first who had enough grounding in physics and mathematics to turn those abstractions into the universal language and to get someone to listen to him long enough to see if he had.

    Today the model employed by science as a whole would not tolerate such abstractions from someone who wasn't like Einstein with the credentials and proofs to back them up. Someone with high school physics understanding and/or armchair physics learning could know enough to come up with valid models but unless they have a family member or childhood friend who does have the right background nothing could ever come of it.

    Those who have the advanced physics, mathematics, or other prerequisites make up a small minority of the population. Those who can see simplicity in complexity make up and even smaller portion of the population. Those who can do both and are either stupid or arrogant enough not to dismiss the possibilities that are so obvious to them as not having already been tried are very very rare indeed. But they will come. Probably several in a fairly short period of time.

    Mark my worlds most of the things we think are impossible today will be possible later. FTL travel? It won't be found by someone trying to travel FTL but by someone who doesn't see the universe in terms of space and travel at all. Twenty or even a hundred years later people will be amazed at how advanced they are, making progressive discoveries that stem from that man's simple perspective. Almost none of them will intuitive see things in that simple way though. They will be smarter men capable of harassing and riding all the complexity of utilizing the model without that simple understanding. Fundamental advancements require thinking in a fundamental way.

    How about Tesla? I dare say we have more data and analysis of electricity and magnetism than he did. Probably a much more detailed and complex understanding of even Tesla's own inventions. In fact we tend to think we know all about it. Yet, I have no doubt that were the man alive today he would be doing things that are fundamental progressions of his intuitive mental model on these topics but revealed fundamental and groundbreaking new ideas to everyone else. He could probably explain the entire topic fully in three sentences and nobody would get it. They would just think he was simplifying great complexity for minds simpler than his own.

    1. Re:Hardly... by proca · · Score: 1

      While I think your post was awesome and Tesla was way ahead of his time, I have to say that it's also entirely possible that we have obtained all the low hanging fruit after an explosion of knowledge following WW2. The answers we are now searching for like fusion, the origin of mass, artificial intelligence, and nano-biology, are extremely complicated and/or very expensive. We might have just gone through a Precambrian-like burst of knowledge to be followed by a rebuilding phase. Human's are smart, but this stuff is hard.

    2. Re:Hardly... by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Einstein was such a man in a world that appeared to be filled with mature science to those of the day. It all began with a mind who could visualize things others found vastly complex as simple abstractions. Was he the first with the primitive ideas that were the core of his model? Maybe, maybe not. But he was the first who had enough grounding in physics and mathematics to turn those abstractions into the universal language and to get someone to listen to him long enough to see if he had.

      You have that backwards, Einstein didn't come up with the inspiration of relativity then just throw out some math and physics to convince people. Einstein needed an immense understanding of math and physics to understand that some new math and physics was, when he developed that new math and physics he called it relativity and figured out how to explain it to us non-math/physics folk.

      Today the model employed by science as a whole would not tolerate such abstractions from someone who wasn't like Einstein with the credentials and proofs to back them up. Someone with high school physics understanding and/or armchair physics learning could know enough to come up with valid models but unless they have a family member or childhood friend who does have the right background nothing could ever come of it.

      Those who have the advanced physics, mathematics, or other prerequisites make up a small minority of the population. Those who can see simplicity in complexity make up and even smaller portion of the population. Those who can do both and are either stupid or arrogant enough not to dismiss the possibilities that are so obvious to them as not having already been tried are very very rare indeed. But they will come. Probably several in a fairly short period of time.

      Anyone can see simplicity in complexity, just listen to drunk people talking, the thing that is incredibly hard is to see the right simplification, if I don't understand the complexity I can come up with a hundred simplifications, but they'll probably be wrong, and even if by sheer luck one is dead right I'll have no idea which one it is.

      No one discovered relativity before Einstein, I'm sure lots of people randomly said energy and matter were equivalent, but they didn't discover relativity, didn't understand why it has to work, why the universe can't have some other solution, they just made some random statement about a topic they didn't understand.

      Saying you're going to revolutionize physics with 'high school physics understanding and/or armchair physics learning' is like saying you'll write the definitive translation of Voyna i mir without speaking Russian.

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    3. Re:Hardly... by shaitand · · Score: 1

      That is what they thought before Einstein and at pretty much all points in history. The fact that you can list those things makes those things all progressive steps in technology. If you can name it, then it isn't a revolutionary breakthrough but rather just a milestone we haven't hit yet.

      The breakthroughs of the past weren't low hanging fruit. Like all great breakthroughs they just seem like low hanging fruit to the people who come after.

    4. Re:Hardly... by shaitand · · Score: 1

      You realize everything you just said was anticipated and answered within text from my post you quoted right?

      "Einstein needed an immense understanding of math and physics to understand that some new math and physics was, when he developed that new math and physics he called it relativity and figured out how to explain it to us non-math/physics folk."

      There were dozens of people as skilled as Einstein when it came to math and equally knowledgeable about physics. There are thousands of them today. Einstein had a portion of the brain known to be related to visuospatial cognition that was 15% larger than normal. That particular area of the brain activates when unusual creative thinking is occurring. That is what set him apart.

    5. Re:Hardly... by quantaman · · Score: 1

      You realize everything you just said was anticipated and answered within text from my post you quoted right?

      I'd argue no, you basically claimed that Einstein's physics and math abilities were almost irrelevant to his discovering relativity.

      "Einstein needed an immense understanding of math and physics to understand that some new math and physics was, when he developed that new math and physics he called it relativity and figured out how to explain it to us non-math/physics folk."

      There were dozens of people as skilled as Einstein when it came to math and equally knowledgeable about physics. There are thousands of them today. Einstein had a portion of the brain known to be related to visuospatial cognition that was 15% larger than normal. That particular area of the brain activates when unusual creative thinking is occurring. That is what set him apart.

      I probably not dozens, maybe a dozen but I'd be doubtful, but not only do you need to understand the math, you need a deep understanding of it. I'd say if anything set Einstein apart it was knowing the math and physics so well that he could make a intuitive leaps that made sense, that's almost opposite of what you implied. I don't argue that Einstein needed to be creative, but that's not what really set him apart.

      Btw, according to wikipedia you left out a couple important bits about Einstein's brain, since the inferior parietal lobe was 15 percent wider than normal.[12] The inferior parietal region is responsible for mathematical thought, visuospatial cognition, and imagery of movement.. I just bolded the two you left out, but I'd say all three would be great for understanding math/physics (though we don't understand the brain well enough to put much weight on that).

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    6. Re:Hardly... by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "I'd argue no, you basically claimed that Einstein's physics and math abilities were almost irrelevant to his discovering relativity."

      I said nothing of the sort. I clearly said of a next Einstein, "Those who have the advanced physics, mathematics, or other prerequisites make up a small minority of the population. Those who can see simplicity in complexity make up and even smaller portion of the population. Those who can do both and are either stupid or arrogant enough not to dismiss the possibilities that are so obvious to them as not having already been tried are very very rare indeed."

      I.E. Advanced Physics and mathematics skills among other prerequisites and the ability to see simplicity in complexity.

      You just got hung up on my implication that someone who gained an understanding of physics from informal learning rather than university study could potentially have value and yet would have no opportunity to express their insight under the current peer review system. It got your back up and you read the rest of what I said as what you expected to hear. Namely an assertion of that oft repeated and poorly informed opinion that a great leap or out-of-the-box idea would come from someone without knowledge of the subject because they are an outsider. I did not claim that and I do not claim that.

      I will say, there is nothing about theoretical (as opposed to applied) physics that you can learn at a university that you can't learn from an armchair at home. Note, I didn't just assert that armchair physicists are equally educated to university trained. I said the POTENTIAL for an armchair physicist to attain that level is there. Such an individual would have expended as least as much effort as one university trained and would be barred from even reaching peer review in the traditional journals. Surely you can admit that isn't a good thing? Such individuals attempting to get published should be viewed on the merits of what they are trying to publish rather than personal credentials. Perhaps tossing such submissions in an online archive where those with better and more established reputation can choose to voluntarily review a few here and there where individuals with more formal credentials and with a positive history get fast tracked for peer review. Additionally those with a poor historical record (regardless of credentials) could be tossed into yet a third pile where especially open minded or bored individuals could review them.

      You said previously that anyone can see simplicity in complexity but that is not true. Learning the complexity comes at the expense of seeing the simplicity for most. Once you understand all those intricacies and details it becomes difficult to impossible to look at the forest without seeing all those trees. In that regard, an individual with less thorough understanding might actually have an easier time intuitively understanding higher level aspects of a model than someone mired in the details. That person would be wrong the vast majority of the time but such a person positing ideas in intelligent conversation with someone who did understand the details could potentially yield fruit that neither alone would have arrived at.

      "you need to understand the math, you need a deep understanding of it" "I'd say all three would be great for understanding math/physics"

      I don't think we are really disagreeing here. I think we are splitting hairs that come into play when mathematics reaches the level of physics. Technically, the models themselves are math and certainly physics as well. Having an intuitive understanding of the model, an ability to see "imagery of movement" and "visuospatial cognition" could well be called a deep understanding of the math and physics involved. I separate that from skill at working problems as equations on a board. A great many can work very advanced problems on a board and never have that ability to intuitively and intimately understand the models behind them. There are quite a few equations to describe aspects of a grouping of gears

    7. Re:Hardly... by quantaman · · Score: 1

      "I'd argue no, you basically claimed that Einstein's physics and math abilities were almost irrelevant to his discovering relativity."

      I said nothing of the sort. I clearly said of a next Einstein, "Those who have the advanced physics, mathematics, or other prerequisites make up a small minority of the population. Those who can see simplicity in complexity make up and even smaller portion of the population. Those who can do both and are either stupid or arrogant enough not to dismiss the possibilities that are so obvious to them as not having already been tried are very very rare indeed."

      I.E. Advanced Physics and mathematics skills among other prerequisites and the ability to see simplicity in complexity.

      Actually what you wrote was:

      "Was he the first with the primitive ideas that were the core of his model? Maybe, maybe not. But he was the first who had enough grounding in physics and mathematics to turn those abstractions into the universal language and to get someone to listen to him long enough to see if he had." ...

      "Today the model employed by science as a whole would not tolerate such abstractions from someone who wasn't like Einstein with the credentials and proofs to back them up. Someone with high school physics understanding and/or armchair physics learning could know enough to come up with valid models but unless they have a family member or childhood friend who does have the right background nothing could ever come of it."

      IE, many people could have/did come up with relativity, but only Einstein could get people to listen to him.

      You just got hung up on my implication that someone who gained an understanding of physics from informal learning rather than university study could potentially have value and yet would have no opportunity to express their insight under the current peer review system. It got your back up and you read the rest of what I said as what you expected to hear. Namely an assertion of that oft repeated and poorly informed opinion that a great leap or out-of-the-box idea would come from someone without knowledge of the subject because they are an outsider. I did not claim that and I do not claim that.

      I will say, there is nothing about theoretical (as opposed to applied) physics that you can learn at a university that you can't learn from an armchair at home. Note, I didn't just assert that armchair physicists are equally educated to university trained. I said the POTENTIAL for an armchair physicist to attain that level is there.

      I don't argue that you could educate yourself sufficiently on your own, but it would be incredibly difficult and you still seem to be missing the point that physics is fundamentally equations. Let me put it this way, neither you nor I understand relativity. If we went back in time before Einstein we could explain some of what it means, we could list off some experiments and say 'E=MC^2', but to really understand why relativity works, to really explain why the universe has to be that way, that needs a deep understanding of math and physics we don't have.

      Such an individual would have expended as least as much effort as one university trained and would be barred from even reaching peer review in the traditional journals. Surely you can admit that isn't a good thing? Such individuals attempting to get published should be viewed on the merits of what they are trying to publish rather than personal credentials. Perhaps tossing such submissions in an online archive where those with better and more established reputation can choose to voluntarily review a few here and there where individuals with more formal credentials and with a positive history get fast tracked for peer review. Additionally those with a poor historical record (regardless of credentials) could be tossed into yet a third pile where especially open minded or bored individuals could review them.

      They wouldn't b

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    8. Re:Hardly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lorentz transformations....

  88. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    C'mon, social sciences are still almost non-existent. What exists is more like a pile of heterogenous facts. Still waiting for Einstein here.

  89. Barney Stinson says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Challenge accepted!

  90. Re:Yes it is because we are entering a new dark ag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  91. Transfer the knowledge to masses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Currently the cutting edge science is still sitting in big non-affordable books or expensive internet dark alleys. Even today my colleagues think atom is last in the line of matter & cannot comprehend "space can bend". We need to get the knowledge to school books, in easy language. There are very few writers who can 'explain' complex things in easy language. (The examples that I have seen for relativity always includes a train & a person, which is not comprehend-able at light speed for a layman.)

  92. Uh, hello?! by proca · · Score: 1

    We are still waiting for our hoverboard

  93. Stephen Hawking anyone? by trevelyon · · Score: 1

    The article points out that the science popularizers are more well-known now. Maybe it's just me but I'd place Stephen Hawking as the single most identifiable physicist right now. I'm not really sure I agree with the points made in this article. I just don't see it that way.

  94. Lack of publicity by Anon8---) · · Score: 1

    Imho it seems like the lack of publicity is the reason leads people to believe that there is nothing groundbreaking happening / nothing groundbreaking has happened recently. The media just doesn't broadcast and glorify scientific achievements like it's supposed to. All we ever hear about on TV is about misery and deceit with a few sprinkles of "miracles" / serendipitious happenings here and there.
    Sure there are some broadcasts here and there, some websites that do a good job, but ask any person unaffiliated with science ( scientific/engineering career) which ones they know and I bet they'd come up empty.

    It is partly the media's fault, but scientific minds are to blame for not being able to make findings in their field interesting enough to present to the common people. It would be in all our interest for the media and science dudes and gals to work together and make science presentable and interesting (without twisting or destroying some facts).

    tl;dr fuck that headline; it's wrong

  95. No blue sky research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've rad time and time again how great scientific discoveries come from a non-pressurized work culture. You also need the right people that understand that. They have to have an uncorrupted upbringing, free from the chaotic influences of day to day life. People have been conditioned to accept things as they are and the path we've gone down.

    So you get someone who grew up with headphones and a mini-disc player, and finds it natural, or innovative to have headphones in a smartphone. He's not challenging the paradigm in any way as he's been conditioned to his paradigm and his innovations are inevitably an extension the existing paradigm.

    Furthermore, as our world continues to get ever-more generic towards this one-world system, innovation breaks down further again.
    Blue sky research is research with no conditions whatsoever.

    Platforms are key too I think. It's not about getting an innovation out there but getting platforms out there - as many and varied as possible as you don't know where it will take you. Nobody could have foreseen the scale of apps released on app stores and the immeasurable amount of different ways to use the sensors.

    The most humble and efficient way to foster innovation is to get as many rich, and interoperable platforms out there as possible and make them as accessible as possible.

    Biotech and genomics is big now, so is nano-tech, so are apps. If there are platforms available for all of these, if they're affordable, and they can interact with each other, the innovation can thrive more.

    The research environment today in the west today is too formal, too constrained (not interoperable), and too unaffordable for the masses.

    People today are conditioned to accept and propagate that environment rather than challenge it.

    Basically, we've gone down a tributary and it's awfully hard to now to reverse back up against the flow and keep our options open.

  96. Most inventors don't work on their own. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They work for corporate masters who are more then willing to try and charge customers a fortune for slightly tweaked widgets. While being on the right side of a gamechanger is a licence to print money, it's considered "volatile". Most companies would rather just do what they've done before, as they made money before, right? The gamechangers have to fight AGAINST the major corporations to get anything done, and let's look at it, instead of being the default, streaming services are just being used as ways to round out revenues. The Newspapers never made the digital transition, and now it's too late.

    It's possible, just don't hold your breath.

  97. I dunno, replace the cross in a crookes tube with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a superconductor, and tell if the theory of electrons changes.

  98. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Graphene..

  99. Low Hanging Fruit by evil_aaronm · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised yours is the only mention of "low hanging fruit" in this thread. When we didn't have engines, coming up with steam, stirling, and internal combustion, among others, was relatively easy because the goal was simple and the field wide open. Now, we have a number of engines: can we come up with something completely new and unforeseen? Or will it just be refinements and efficiency improvements on the existing models?

    1. Re:Low Hanging Fruit by shaitand · · Score: 1

      The idea of an engine was a revolutionary breakthrough. Steam and internal combustion are just progressive steps. Whatever new breakthroughs do come down the line, those who come after them will see them as simple and low hanging fruit.

  100. Slashdot vs. Scientific American by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot: Era of Groundbreaking science is over

    Scientific American: "3d Printed Human Stem Cells created"
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=3d-printed-human-embryonic

    I'm not sure exactly WHAT is wrong with Slashdot, but it is probably related to the open source movement somehow.

  101. Hindsight by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which is stupid, and is just a blatant illustration of the author's lack of vision and understanding of the world and of history.

    Actually I would say it is pretty much to be expected. We don't really know what the major, ground breaking discoveries are today which will have a major impact on peoples lives 50 years from now. So I think it would be quite normal for a non-scientist to look around and not understand or see how todays discoveries might affect them in several decades time. In fact I don't even think us scientists can do that either - at least with any degree of accuracy.

    The result is that when you look back with hindsight you see the "big breakthroughs" for what they really are but this is only possible with hind sight. Who knew that the transistor would revolutionize almost every aspect of day to day life when it was invented?

  102. Finish Filling Out The Periodic Table, Whydon'tcha by Gameless · · Score: 1

    These are the only ones of which the news has come to Harvard and there may be many others but they haven't been discovered.

  103. Fukuyama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone remember Fukuyama's "End of History"? A very recent theory (beginning of the '90s).
    That was before terrorism, before the rebirth of religious fanatism, before the credit crisis, before the monetary crisis in the EU, before Fukushima and the atomic energy debate, before it became clear that the human population is too big to contain global warming.
    A paradigm shift might be in front of our noses (or not).

  104. Civilization is self-destructive. by hessian · · Score: 1

    The process of civilization is self-destructive for two reasons.

    First, any civilization develops rules and methods and eventually uses those to the exclusion of anything else.

    Second, any civilization creates a "system" which must be manipulated by individuals to achieve success.

    Both of these remove people from contact with raw reality.

    Eventually, people recognize success only within what the civilization already recognizes as important, which excludes any ideas that are actually new.

    Worse, the civilization produces its own form of "innovation" which consists of re-applying its principles in new combinations. These innovations take precedence because they are recognized by the audience, since they are based on previously approved ideas within both the system and the rules.

    In other words, the problem of civilization is that it re-targets our goals from pure engineering (adapt to reality) toward social goals (adapt to civilization's expectations).

    Social goals are expressed through the utilitarian mode of what most individuals approve of. This in turn is based on what the average person can expect based on past successes in the system, and what they can recognize as building on that past.

    In short, everything that civilization does is against innovation and more importantly, independent leadership. Civilization forces self-referentiality on its citizens and thus constrains them to its current direction, which is like a kind of super-inertia.

    It is for this reason that screwballs such as myself exist. We don't trust existing frameworks, and build our own from scratch. Not only does this mean ditching Ruby on Rails for Perl wildcoding, but also, wildcoding in philosophy and politics so that future generations don't have to suffer under the mistakes of the past.

  105. Questionable by Bensam123 · · Score: 2

    I've often wondered similar things. While science is still being done and many people are arguing that, the level of accomplishments haven't yielded nearly the same results for the average individual compared to what happened in the last century or further. I blame this on society and mainly on capitalism, which only looks to fuel profitable endeavors and people are only looking for the cheapest means to stay alive, or how to make the most money in life.

    Space, deep sea, nuclear... general exploration and development as a country has ground to a halt. Instead we're focusing on wars in countries we have no reason of fighting for and patents... then exploiting them. Our country may not be dying, but it's march forward has definitely slowed down. Everyone is out to make as much money as possible. Exploration and being adventurous is no longer part of American lifestyle. It's all about being safe and living as long as humanely possible.

    No one takes big risks anymore, it's all about small calculated decisions (mainly decided by a machine), which we bet on which will show income. Even the space industry has somehow ended up in the hands of the private sector, which may seem great, but wont work in our favor down the line when everyone depends on them for their services and the government can't take over because that would be unAmerican.

    Our country is totally mismanaged. Our society is bombarded constantly by capitalist propaganda (buy this and you'll be happy, take this and you'll be healthy) and shows designed to placate the mind. Our education system is starting to break down as the less intelligent take over and see fit to destroy something because it doesn't provide instant, easily quantifiable results.

    Capitalism may have founded this country, but we've gotten to a point where we've outgrown it. Perhaps not completely... but we have to a point where it's started to hinder development outside of how to shake the most pennies out of the average citizen. This is a time when we actually need a leader to step up and push big businesses out of the picture and actually plot a direction for the country. Sadly, we haven't seen a president like that in many years... or a country that's willing to accept him.

  106. "more focussed", "more buried"... by Herve5 · · Score: 1

    My feeling is, we don't see easily novelties because they are buried into much more data that what the previous centuries' people were used to analyze.
    I am aware that this edges to that atrocious Pandora box currently called, 'Big Data', forgive me.
    But still, that we don't see innovations as easily as before don't means there aren't.

    Even at 'big data' level: 2012 saw the apparition of electoral statistical proofs: for instance, it has been demonstrated that Poutine cheated, and vastly, in his last two elections. There is a math proof, easy to verify, based on stats* --and indeed nobody denegated it.

    In a world where 'big data' generally looks rather like 'big brother' or 'FBI knows everything from you', I find it very refreshing that indeed, 2012 big data novelty was the discovery that electoral cheating now can be mathematically demonstrated.

    You'll see, some day, one country will set this kind if check inside its law. This, is a scientific novelty if not an 'invention'.

    H.
    (*) www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.1210722109

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    Herve S.
  107. Not so groundbreaking.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The fact is, that back in the days, when someone thought of wrap some plant inside a paper, lit it and inhale the smoke. That was groundbreaking science.

    These days, it takes a lot more to invent something really new and "groundbreaking".

  108. Frackin hell no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ground breaking science has hardly begun

  109. PATENTS WHAT PART DON'T YOU FKERS GET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Directed at USA law makers, and bribe takers.
    PATENTS are killing American (small creatives) business ideas.... that's why USA will fail, greed and corruption masking as good law.

  110. Brilliant... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "turn on your spell checker"

    Says the guy who writes "hand-waive"...

  111. General-purpose computers and paywalls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The trend towards walled gardens, DRM, and locked down personal computers can't possibly help the world make creative, revolutionary breakthroughs. Neither can having most of human knowledge locked up behind paywalls. Maybe the age of innovation is over.

  112. Re:Quantum Physics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe you should look into it more...

    I'm not seeing anything that is accepted to displace the status quo. The status quo is simply defended as "your theory is profound, and if correct would be ground-breaking, but until you get back to us with some hard evidence we're just going to stick with what we've already got."

    Well, then no theory is right (without even getting into the lack of 100% certainty in science).

    If you cannot resolve that final 1%, there is a serious error in the theory. If, say, Relativity is 1% wrong and that 1% wrong is the light-speed barrier, that changes everything about the postulates that endless numbers of scientists have made because they're assuming that it's 100% right.

  113. Rather than say "stupid article" I will explain by aepervius · · Score: 1

    groudn breaking science happen by quantic leap. You can't forsee in advance that looking at small effect will yield in a ground breaking effect. Furthermore you can't tell if the ground breaking effect will yield commercial application (maybe not at all!) whereas a small imporvement would yield incredible application (think safe battery capacity increase). That#s why the article / summary are laughable.

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    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
    visit randi.org
  114. Theory != Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As some of the other posters have already mentioned, this idea that there is nothing left to be discovered/invented is not new. And helpful posters have also listed some of the known unknowns -- fundamental forces like gravity, for example. But let us not forget that there are, as the unlamented Defence Secretary Rumsfeld once cited, known knowns, known unknowns and unknown unknowns. There are populations of things that we understand enough to be able to predict properties of a thing, build it and verify that the model and reality agree. Then there are a bunch of things for which we have mathematical models that seem to describe the properties of some things but we still don't understand the hows and whys, etc. I think that the theory of epicycles should be an object lesson -- it was a theory that described the visible behavior of objects in space, just happened to be wrong. So the question should be asked -- how much of what we think we know is actually true? And as for the unknown unknowns? Its an awful big universe out there... perhaps a sense of modesty as to how far we are from godhood might help us keep our eyes open?

  115. Re:Yes it is because we are entering a new dark ag by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

    Out of interest, do you think any of the advances will be in the area of time cubes once the nuking is over?

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  116. Death Star by Bleek+II · · Score: 1

    Groundbreaking science isn't over until the Death Star we build blows up a planet.

  117. The problem is your mindset. by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 1

    I was actually talking about this with a friend, the fact is stuff that years ago I would have consider groundbreaking are discovered left and right.
    The problem is people these days are desensitized to such things, not that I blame them.
    Can you imagine trying to explain to someone 20 years ago that you have a device in your pocket that lets you, just about anywhere, access all the world's knowledge?

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    What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
  118. Only if you are illiterate by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

    Maybe someone should read a few science blogs every now and then.

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    I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
  119. Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Geez, give us scientists some time! We aren't even 100 years post Einstein, yet there were sometimes hundreds of years dearth between great scientific thinkers in the past. Hold your horses and let us get some work done.

  120. No by Sqreater · · Score: 1

    Because the education system is now efficiently set up to weed out an Einstein long before he could ever get to theorizing.

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  121. whined like this around 1905 by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Just Planck and Einstein published their disruptive papers. Plenty of "Blck Swans" left in Nature.

  122. Medical Science by schneidafunk · · Score: 1

    It seems a lot of people are obsessing over physics when medicine has had the most profound "groundbreaking" advances in human history, and it seems every week there is a new breakthrough.

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    Some people die at 25 and aren't buried until 75. -Benjamin Franklin
  123. Subject to opinion but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anything as ground breaking as relativity, the atom bomb, and the transistor occurred lately? Not really. Don't get me wrong, some really innovating technology and science has been discovered, but nothing that changes the face of the world so dramatically. The only real modern example is the internet. What may need to happen is another discovery that opens up whole new possibilities then a new era of technological revolution can begin. Perhaps the internet is part of a new era of technological revolutions just starting to happen.

  124. thanks to patents and copyrights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i agree its now crawling so slow that a worm will evolve as the next dominant life form make a space ship and leave us behind as we still DONT get it.

  125. hehe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    proof americans are retarded
    i know what gravity and magnetism are. He don't why is that?

    What he is alluding too is the particle that causes mass the higgs boson supposedly found last year.

  126. Who will it be? by subnomine · · Score: 1

    The next idea to blow the mind of every man, woman, and child, will be introduced by someone who has access to a great artificial intelligence and probably wont understand the science.

  127. DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what is that song with the 4 guys
    D...M...C....A
    do dodod doo doddooodo
    thats the loegacy of your nation
    and its screwign the planet for a few well to do types that have too much

  128. I feel like 'YES'.... by nerdyalien · · Score: 1

    I have two points to back up my answer.....

    1. We are living in the most peaceful period in the entire history. As much as I hate to say this... I am in the opinion "War accelerates innovation". Let's face it, without wars such as WW2 and cold war, most technologies would've either never evolve into the sophisticated stage there right now, or never would've thought of. Until another major war dawns upon us, where contemporary weapons are inadequate for one party to dominate... most technologies will evolve at a slower pace. (at least that's my prediction).

    2. Academic research now rewards people who write more papers, not people do genuinely innovative work. I've been in academic research, and I have first hand experience on "publish-or-perish". Most academics I see today, they do research with the mindset "Save my career, family and future first", rather with the noble intention of serving the knowledge sphere. Most research now-a-days geared towards "publication generating exercise"... rather true down-to-earth investigations. I don't think we will return to golden age of research, where funding doesn't demand things like "X number of publications", "Y number of patents" and "business plan to sell million units".

  129. Re:We have some clues Gravity by hendrikboom · · Score: 1

    Rovelli seems to have gotten past the renormalizability issues of GR.

    I admit I've only got through part of his Quantum Gravity book so far, though.

  130. Revered and respected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...Those scientists who were able to throw off the yoke of established knowledge and break new ground on their own are revered and respected...."

    No they're not. To a man, they are denigrated and smeared. Being the first person to disagree with established science (or established anything) is very bad for your career...

  131. Hydraulic fracturing by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

    With all the talks about fracking and shale gas, it looks like a lot of literally groundbreaking science is going on right now.

  132. Neil deGrasse Tyson has it right by Feanorian · · Score: 1

    The reason why the US isnt't doing big science projects is because doesn't have the Soviet Union to play catchup with. The way they fund "innovation" is bass-ackward and will only do so if it is profitable and is "sure to work". As a result we get new electronic gizmos that is basically micronization of older tech and nothing fundamentally radical. David Graeber talks about this in some of his lectures regarding why we don't have robot factories and all the whiz bang tech we were expected to have by now. It's bureaucracy, hierarchy, and how we tend to fund things as a society.

    At this time, China isn't really outcompeting the US on any technological strategic front, and the Europeans are more or less on the same squad as the US. If ever the case the Chinese decide to go to Mars, invented a teleporter, or presented a serious strategic threat to the US that may change, but by then it will be too late. I predict that the people to beat in this era will still be the Europeans even in this time of austerity.

    If you want innovation, you give a group of smart people who work well together some resources and leave them alone to weave their tapestry of dreams, not regiment them to what bureaucrats think they should be working on or some idiotic timetable.

  133. In the field of neuroscience... by dbsuid · · Score: 1

    I think Jeff Hawkins' theory of the neocortex qualifies as being groundbreaking. He was able to assimilate all the multitudes of neuroanatomical and physiological data into a theoretical framework. I am fairly certain most /. readers are aware of this research but it must not be forgotten as an area of research where revolutionary discoveries are being made. Algorithms are already highly developed, and I believe this is the most promising project on approaching 'strong AI.'

  134. science discoveries still happening as normal by recharged95 · · Score: 1

    I find the new problems will relate to the problem of scale. Large scale, such as that in relationship to entropy. We think today's speak of scale, from biological systems, to CERN data results to the Internet architecture, is complex/hard. We have just scratch the surface of what's to come. And that's coming from a trained physicist.

    What we see today, inventions are not science, but that of exploitation of science. With the popularity of "making money" (capitalism is just one of many methods of), we are in the age of science exploitation. That's why the current attitude is that "we're done"... and the result? Social technologies....
    creativity is mostly being used to create connections and products and not explain nature. That's not right or wrong, but just the facts.

  135. My answer to 3. by justthinkit · · Score: 1
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  136. Unsung Heros by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about all the research that never makes it main stream. The DoD, DARRPA and the likes. They just don't make DOOMSDAY machines.

  137. Nowadays science = money = no room for "big ideas" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [quote]
    Simonton argues that instead of finding big new ideas, scientists currently work on the details in increasingly specialized and precise ways."
    [/quote]

    I agree with him.

    The current scientific system of funds/grants who dictate scientific directions and scientific fashion streams in a field, together with the need to publish frequently and preferably in high profile scientific journals just in order to make even a chance to get such funds/grants is a toxic mix for "out of the box" thinking and working on "big new ideas".
    Simply because they consider it not to be economically viable or even profitable to invest in such research programs.

    The extreme competition for private funding, as government budgets are being cut by the global crisis, causes an even stronger need to "score" as soon as possible in a high profile journal.
    Not the best ideas get funding/grants, but the ones with the most extensive track record and high impact factor publications.
    Science has become about money these days and not about pure science.
    At the moment the best bet to have constant funding of your research is to stick to your topic, dive into it deeper and totally relying on your previous findings and the finding of your colleagues/competitors in the field.

    The greater the expertise the stronger it is inversely correlated to knowledge. You know a LOT about almost nothing.
    This "tunnel-vision" inhibits out of the box thinking and therefore in my opinion I don't see giant scientific leaps being made very soon which compare to or even outshine the Newtons, Einsteins etc.

  138. It's over because a technician by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

    is not a scientist, and a scientist tries to create hypothesis while challenging his own.

    These are not characteristics of the current bastardization of science most people are familiar with.

  139. Nolo press, you want to put a brick in the face of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nolo Press
    http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia
    ( I just put their FAQs page up to show they're helpful: you might want to look at their Products page, instead )

    You want to put a brick in the face of abuse?
    get "Patent Pending in 24 Hours" and a few others of theirs.

    ( they were updated after a re-writing of the patent laws recently, 2010 or 2011 or something )

    Yes you still require the funds to fight patent-infringement,
    but because it is possible to win so thoroughly in willful infringement cases,
    you may have a very big stick.

    Patent searches? they got a book on that.
    Patent drawings done right? ditto.
    the whole shamozzle? one on that, too.

    Helpless is for those who give up.

    The determined can, and often enough to make a difference, do win.

    Cheers.

    ps, a few years ago I read it cost $1 000 to go from Patent Pending to Patent Application Filed
    ( and patent actually going to be considered...
    IBM and others file Patent Pending and then don't pay the fee,
    just to prevent inventions from being patented, to keep them free for themselves & others...
    but you had, iirc, a full year to go from first filing to paid & final filing...
    anyways, helplessness is an adopted/conditioned posture, not some Universe-decreed condition...
    you want to give up, do, but if the case is really clear,
    you may find a lawyer who will work on percentage-of-winnings,
    instead of up-front-fees,
    if you can't afford to prosecute an abuse of your invention right off...
    sometimes that does happen, ttbomk...
    cheers. )

  140. I would suggest that the landscape is not bleak... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would like to suggest a web site that with a "Close Reading" may open up a world of thought and discovery on what has been voiced by two eminent scientists, Lord Kelvin and Stephen Hawking when they said that Science is about over... That is that there is not much more to go besides dotting i's and crossing T's and Mr. Hawking's contention that we are not far away from knowing everything... This artist a Realist Painter would disagree... Reading the first two papers on his site may bring back some excitement... for some.

    http://milesmathis.com/pre.html

    http://milesmathis.com/central.html

    http://milesmathis.com/

    Something to think about.