BTW, I didn't reallt neeed the Babefish translation (being Brasilian and all) but I'm not sure if it said this: The main board, (designed by the federal university of Minas Gerais) is OPEN. The architecture is totally open.
This, like most averages about Brasilians, is brought down massively by the very poor in the Northeast. It also creates a lot of misconceptions about us. The most offensive comment I've read today was this idiot talking about how the Americans pay for Brasil's expenses. (I still don't get what was going through his head.) Where I reaelly see this working is in the favelas of Rio, etc.
Completamente correto. Pena que e dificil de entender a situacao Brasileira sem ser do Brasil. E e MUITO dificil dizer como e que e a situacao do Ingles no Brasil.:-)
The "Digital Divide" is much more about individual priorities than economics in the US
Now THAT is easily one of the smartest things said today. Talking about middle class Brasilians? There are a lot of us. Most of them who don't have computers don't WANT one. Same goes for others.
Speaking of college systems, (and Brasil) in Brasil we have a really truly nice system for things. The best schools, (the really excellent ones) are public. (Not to say that there aren't great private ones too.) Every year, there are X number of student vacancies in the medical division of Federal school N. The top X students taking the Vestibular, the test you gotta take at the end of high school, can get admitted to school N. And so on, and so on. The people who get the best College education aren't the richest: Their the smartest.
Talk about system, huh!(Not to boast or anything.)
Pffft, it was sure succesful for the planet, but it probably didn't make the mice very happy, contamining their super computer and all..... They COULD have found out the Question of Life, The Universe and Everything by now if it wasn't for those pesky hairdressers.
Do understand, for Brasil to work out a system like that.... it might work for the really rural cities of the northwest. Most poor cities in Brasil aren't as united like those of India. (which you're right, are as poor or poorer.)But a system like that would probably only work for a "you help pay you get access at a public place."
Well, I shouldn't talk about what I don't know. I'm from Rio, so I don't much understand the inner city mentality.
I certainly follow your logic about the more Pcs = better thing. Now, the develop their brain thing.... I live in California. Most of the programmers in the Valley are Indian, Chinese, Brasilian, and all SORTS of non-Americans. The Brasilian talent pool is nothing short of astounding. Its an amazing progression, and a real joy to see for the older ones from our country. The way that we've been growing intelligent specialists for the last decade is nothing short of just _really_.... well, just damn cool.
So, anyways, on the matter of the "developing the brain"..... we are. And it seems to be working. Today's Brasilian 15 and down generation is the first without the 200% a week inflation of earlier years. (all due to a president we impeached, hehehe. He WAS a corrupt bastard, though.)
Well, if you're Brasilian I'm sure you know that we have the world's biggest digital election. It's completely digitized. 100%. (I was boasting about it during the Florida thing, hehehe.) Well, if that can get to the nowhere that is the Northwest, I'm sure we can get some comps out there too.
I THINK that public schools already have this type of program especially for them. Not sure if all of them do. If you had Brasilian TV, you'd see those horror stories on the news about huge lines on matriculation day for parents desperately trying to get their kids into school... Too bad its not just a horror story for the many valiant people who do it. The ones who end up in school are the ones with the hardworking parents who are attempting to get their kids out of the gutter.
Sabe como nas fotos das favelas todo mundo tem uma TV?
Se eles trocarem uma pelo outro, talvez.... Mais ai estariamos falando da "Higher Lower class." Mais nisso eu to falando do Rio; Eu nao conheco bem o Nordeste.
The UFMG is the Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais. (Minas Gerais Federal University.)
They're the dudes who are designing the mainboard.
Just for the record, the free (Federal, state, and otherwise public) colleges are usually the good ones. It works by your rank in the national test you take after High School; this way the smartest (usuallt not the lower class) get the free schools. (pretty smart, huh?)
In my previous anti-ignorant flames I had forgotten to mention the fact that Rio and Sao Paulo have DSL. (A fact that can't be said for many places in the U.S.)
Oh, and if everyone is gonna judge Brasil for the favelas, we should start judging the U.S. by the terrible mess that western and central Puerto Rico is. (San Juan isn't all that bad... I just moved from there after living in there for a year.)
A lot IS written in portuguese, actually. UOL is one of the top 15 most accessed sites on the web, I believe.
By "few libraries" I assume that you mean the lower class in the Northeast, because the municipal in Rio is STORIES tall. Its friggin HUGE. (I've been there.)
Oh, and about speaking english....Boy, is THAT changing. There are a LOT of people in Brasil these days learning it.
If this is supposed to imply that all Brazilian kids get a similar eduaction it is very ignorant. Brazil is one of the most unequal societies in the world.
Agreed. As partly a product of the Brasilian educational system,(Private school, of course.) I find your comment correct on all counts.
The favela kids don't have any schools or health care at all...
Well, as for schools, we try out best. A lot of them do go to school, but a school is only as good as its teachers. And as for health care, I really wouldn't know. (I haven't been updated lately.)
and are hunted for sport by the police....
Oh, COME on! Don't believe everything you hear. It realy isn't that bad. Many favelas are made of decent people trying to give their children a better life. It's not like they're disorganized. (though it may look that way to the untrained.)
These cheap computers may help the middle class get on the web.
The middle class IS on the web. The wealth gap in Brasil is pretty large. The middle class really IS a middle class. Its the lower low class that isn't there yet.
Why not? And who's going to pay for it? Americans?
I honestly don't know where to begin.
Who the HELL do you think you are?
Honestly, man. Do you think that The Really Nice Americans are the ones that pay for other countries' expenses?
You probably don't know what Brasil is LIKE, do you? I'm surprised you haven't been flamed yet. (Again, I don't know where to start.)
Brasil is not some fifth-world country struggling to feed its population. Your ignorance astounds me. Brasil is the fifth largest country on Earth. It has the biggest potential on Earth. (By far the most farmland in any country, the "potential" fact is something that we're quite proud of.) Brasil also has 160 some million people. Most of the poor are in the Northeast. The people in Rio and Sao Paulo aren't all poor people working in some hotel while the Americans live in the beaches and pay for everything. Its not like Nigeria, (and please correct me if I'm wrong, Nigerians) which has most of its wealth from the top something % of the population. (All whites.)
You think Americans pay for Brasilian public schools? Honestly, go to hell.
...until you realize that the pathetic world these people live in is the consequence of their choice in government, believe in mysticism, etc. As long as they keep wishing for happiness while supporting corrupt governments, they'll be poor.
Please elaborate. I'd like to know what you mean by pathetic little world. And BELIEVE IN MYSTICISM? Brasil is 98% Catholic, with the biggest Catholic in the world. Ya think we support corrupt governments? You wouldn't do any better, in the same situation. Oh, argue all you want, but until you understand what those people have gone through, and the amazing complexities of what they've needed to do, you don't know SHIT.
Voy tomar un break.
hehe, I'm a Brazilian living in PR, and though I speak Portuguese as a first language, I am also surprised at these language butchers down here. I also remember hearing that joke in Brasil a few years back. Check my other comments, I have one with the story of "el safacon." You're bound to get a kick out of it.
Also not a transcription, but I dont think its been updated anytime soon...And there are these amazing numbers of comments, like "1", "0", and even sometimes....."2"!!!!!!!
I'm sorry, but I hope you see the errors of your ways.
Most countries (especially "latin" ones) have bureaus for the language. These bureaus permit which words will be allowed on any dictionaries. I am Brasilian, and I know that there is a bureau for the (Brasilian) Portuguese language in Rio. This department regulates which terms are allowed onto the dictionaries, but I'm not sure if they let the dictionaries add "extra" words, such as e-mail. Well, at least with a little "unapproved" note...
Smaller percentages? I happen to know that portuguese is one of the largest languages in the web, around top 3. (Sorry, no link.) I'm sure that German is right up there, too.(Yes, I AM brasilian.)
You know, talking about the Americas mutilating Spanish, the dialects are nothing short of amazing.
example: Here, In Puerto Rico (no, I'm actually Brasilian and speak Portuguese), they call a trash can a "safacon."
Everywhere else, its a "basura."
It happens to be that (much)after the U.S. got P.R., (1898)during WWII they put a "save material" campaign. (typical war propaganda.)All trash cans had the words "save a can" on them, to promote recycling. Nope, I'm not kidding, Save-a-can became "safacon," which will baffle any other Spanish speaker in the world.There are many others, such as the town (also here in P.R.) with the big "wipe out the trash" sign on its entrance. It is today known(on the maps) as the town of Guaipao.
Weird, huh?
They are also one of the few big acts who have embraced MP3s as a distribution mechanism
You're absolutely right. There are even fewer bands who have actually given out free albums, or hit songs. Korn released "Falling Away From Me" for free on their site, but they're nothing like the Smashing Pumpkins' last album which was released for free in its entirety over the web. The story is that the Pumpkins had a bad deal with Virgin Records, got pissed, and put their songs into 4 vynil disks----and then gave 21 copies to friends, and told them to distribute them as they like.
Sobre as eleicoes no Brasil:
Eu tambem acho.
Sobre a India: Procurei, e parece que vc tava certo. As eleicoes Indianas tem mais que 550 milhoes de pessoas. Disculpe.
Bem, na verdade, a minha resposta inicial foi contra o fato que o cara falou mal das eleicoes "third-world South American." Eu detesto quando eles fazem isso.
See, I'm not sure about India having a forced election, such as that of Brasil. Brazilian elections are forced, in the sense that everyone must vote. period. It also, of course, changes the campaign a lot, since votes aren't concentrated on the elderly, as here in the U.S. Oh, although I'm not sure about being forced to vote in India, I am sure that Brasil's are the largest electronic elections on earth. I've heard that they are the largest PERIOD, but I'm not sure. In 1998, we had 57% of all voters use an electronic election. Now, it is absolutely, positively, 100%. Now that is pretty cool.
But Geez America- this election has looked more like a Third World/South American election than a First World one
Just so you know, the Brazilian elections are the largest in the world.They are also completely digital. The results are posted n the afternoon.That is a lot more than I can say for the U.S., which doesn't even have digital ballots. We have them evrywhere, even in the middle of nowheres.
Slashdot Mirror
BTW, I didn't reallt neeed the Babefish translation (being Brasilian and all) but I'm not sure if it said this: The main board, (designed by the federal university of Minas Gerais) is OPEN. The architecture is totally open.
This, like most averages about Brasilians, is brought down massively by the very poor in the Northeast. It also creates a lot of misconceptions about us. The most offensive comment I've read today was this idiot talking about how the Americans pay for Brasil's expenses. (I still don't get what was going through his head.) Where I reaelly see this working is in the favelas of Rio, etc.
Completamente correto. Pena que e dificil de entender a situacao Brasileira sem ser do Brasil. E e MUITO dificil dizer como e que e a situacao do Ingles no Brasil. :-)
Now THAT is easily one of the smartest things said today. Talking about middle class Brasilians? There are a lot of us. Most of them who don't have computers don't WANT one. Same goes for others.
Talk about system, huh!(Not to boast or anything.)
Pffft, it was sure succesful for the planet, but it probably didn't make the mice very happy, contamining their super computer and all..... They COULD have found out the Question of Life, The Universe and Everything by now if it wasn't for those pesky hairdressers.
Well, I shouldn't talk about what I don't know. I'm from Rio, so I don't much understand the inner city mentality.
So, anyways, on the matter of the "developing the brain" ..... we are. And it seems to be working. Today's Brasilian 15 and down generation is the first without the 200% a week inflation of earlier years. (all due to a president we impeached, hehehe. He WAS a corrupt bastard, though.)
Well, if you're Brasilian I'm sure you know that we have the world's biggest digital election. It's completely digitized. 100%. (I was boasting about it during the Florida thing, hehehe.) Well, if that can get to the nowhere that is the Northwest, I'm sure we can get some comps out there too.
I THINK that public schools already have this type of program especially for them. Not sure if all of them do. If you had Brasilian TV, you'd see those horror stories on the news about huge lines on matriculation day for parents desperately trying to get their kids into school... Too bad its not just a horror story for the many valiant people who do it. The ones who end up in school are the ones with the hardworking parents who are attempting to get their kids out of the gutter.
Sabe como nas fotos das favelas todo mundo tem uma TV?
Se eles trocarem uma pelo outro, talvez.... Mais ai estariamos falando da "Higher Lower class." Mais nisso eu to falando do Rio; Eu nao conheco bem o Nordeste.
They're the dudes who are designing the mainboard.
Just for the record, the free (Federal, state, and otherwise public) colleges are usually the good ones. It works by your rank in the national test you take after High School; this way the smartest (usuallt not the lower class) get the free schools. (pretty smart, huh?)
In my previous anti-ignorant flames I had forgotten to mention the fact that Rio and Sao Paulo have DSL. (A fact that can't be said for many places in the U.S.)
Oh, and if everyone is gonna judge Brasil for the favelas, we should start judging the U.S. by the terrible mess that western and central Puerto Rico is. (San Juan isn't all that bad... I just moved from there after living in there for a year.)
By "few libraries" I assume that you mean the lower class in the Northeast, because the municipal in Rio is STORIES tall. Its friggin HUGE. (I've been there.)
Oh, and about speaking english....Boy, is THAT changing. There are a LOT of people in Brasil these days learning it.
Agreed. As partly a product of the Brasilian educational system,(Private school, of course.) I find your comment correct on all counts.
The favela kids don't have any schools or health care at all...
Well, as for schools, we try out best. A lot of them do go to school, but a school is only as good as its teachers. And as for health care, I really wouldn't know. (I haven't been updated lately.)
and are hunted for sport by the police....
Oh, COME on! Don't believe everything you hear. It realy isn't that bad. Many favelas are made of decent people trying to give their children a better life. It's not like they're disorganized. (though it may look that way to the untrained.)
These cheap computers may help the middle class get on the web.
The middle class IS on the web. The wealth gap in Brasil is pretty large. The middle class really IS a middle class. Its the lower low class that isn't there yet.
It's a great place to visit, though.
Amen, brother.
I honestly don't know where to begin.
Who the HELL do you think you are?
Honestly, man. Do you think that The Really Nice Americans are the ones that pay for other countries' expenses?
You probably don't know what Brasil is LIKE, do you? I'm surprised you haven't been flamed yet. (Again, I don't know where to start.)
Brasil is not some fifth-world country struggling to feed its population. Your ignorance astounds me. Brasil is the fifth largest country on Earth. It has the biggest potential on Earth. (By far the most farmland in any country, the "potential" fact is something that we're quite proud of.) Brasil also has 160 some million people. Most of the poor are in the Northeast. The people in Rio and Sao Paulo aren't all poor people working in some hotel while the Americans live in the beaches and pay for everything. Its not like Nigeria, (and please correct me if I'm wrong, Nigerians) which has most of its wealth from the top something % of the population. (All whites.)
You think Americans pay for Brasilian public schools? Honestly, go to hell.
Please elaborate. I'd like to know what you mean by pathetic little world. And BELIEVE IN MYSTICISM? Brasil is 98% Catholic, with the biggest Catholic in the world. Ya think we support corrupt governments? You wouldn't do any better, in the same situation. Oh, argue all you want, but until you understand what those people have gone through, and the amazing complexities of what they've needed to do, you don't know SHIT.
Gotta find some more ignorant people to flame....
Ah, life's busy.
Voy tomar un break. hehe, I'm a Brazilian living in PR, and though I speak Portuguese as a first language, I am also surprised at these language butchers down here. I also remember hearing that joke in Brasil a few years back. Check my other comments, I have one with the story of "el safacon." You're bound to get a kick out of it.
Barraponto.com
Also not a transcription, but I dont think its been updated anytime soon...And there are these amazing numbers of comments, like "1", "0", and even sometimes....."2"!!!!!!!
Most countries (especially "latin" ones) have bureaus for the language. These bureaus permit which words will be allowed on any dictionaries. I am Brasilian, and I know that there is a bureau for the (Brasilian) Portuguese language in Rio. This department regulates which terms are allowed onto the dictionaries, but I'm not sure if they let the dictionaries add "extra" words, such as e-mail. Well, at least with a little "unapproved" note...
Smaller percentages? I happen to know that portuguese is one of the largest languages in the web, around top 3. (Sorry, no link.) I'm sure that German is right up there, too.(Yes, I AM brasilian.)
example: Here, In Puerto Rico (no, I'm actually Brasilian and speak Portuguese), they call a trash can a "safacon."
Everywhere else, its a "basura."
It happens to be that (much)after the U.S. got P.R., (1898)during WWII they put a "save material" campaign. (typical war propaganda.)All trash cans had the words "save a can" on them, to promote recycling. Nope, I'm not kidding, Save-a-can became "safacon," which will baffle any other Spanish speaker in the world.There are many others, such as the town (also here in P.R.) with the big "wipe out the trash" sign on its entrance. It is today known(on the maps) as the town of Guaipao. Weird, huh?
You're absolutely right. There are even fewer bands who have actually given out free albums, or hit songs. Korn released "Falling Away From Me" for free on their site, but they're nothing like the Smashing Pumpkins' last album which was released for free in its entirety over the web. The story is that the Pumpkins had a bad deal with Virgin Records, got pissed, and put their songs into 4 vynil disks----and then gave 21 copies to friends, and told them to distribute them as they like.
Bem, na verdade, a minha resposta inicial foi contra o fato que o cara falou mal das eleicoes "third-world South American." Eu detesto quando eles fazem isso.
See, I'm not sure about India having a forced election, such as that of Brasil. Brazilian elections are forced, in the sense that everyone must vote. period. It also, of course, changes the campaign a lot, since votes aren't concentrated on the elderly, as here in the U.S. Oh, although I'm not sure about being forced to vote in India, I am sure that Brasil's are the largest electronic elections on earth. I've heard that they are the largest PERIOD, but I'm not sure. In 1998, we had 57% of all voters use an electronic election. Now, it is absolutely, positively, 100%. Now that is pretty cool.
Just so you know, the Brazilian elections are the largest in the world.They are also completely digital. The results are posted n the afternoon.That is a lot more than I can say for the U.S., which doesn't even have digital ballots. We have them evrywhere, even in the middle of nowheres.