Apparently it can affect Volkswagen as well and others. Some guy in one of the threads said his Passat had the same problem, but his wife Kia had no problem. Go figure.
Cool thing is over time things get better. Don't know why Honda seems to be not moving on the issue, but I am sure they will at some point. Probably just need a firmware update or some sort.
An now it seems with the newer bluetooth there is a protocol that delivers true 16 bit CD quality sound essentially, but still you can get better 24 bit sound only over lightning. At least in a car this may not matter, but would in a high end home audio setting.
"FWIW I think I've found the bug in Honda's code. When the Honda sends a "Service Search Attribute Request" for the "Audio Source" service on my phone it's omitting the UUID. The UUID is required. As a result, my phone responds with "Unknown service" and ends up transmitting all audio as generic data.
With the other devices I've tested, the UUID is there, my phone responds with the required information for the Audio Service, and all music gets streamed using RTP (Real Time Protocol)."
Seems like there are other car makes that can have the problem as well, but it is not an inherent Bluetooth issue it seems to me. It seems more like a problem originating with the car makers and their implementation of Bluetooth in their audio systems.
I think maybe apple is lagging, but still the vast bulk of phones on the market are. Apple really doesn't tend to lead the market in most cases. I haven't found them to be trend setters as most innovation seems to be from the phone makers who are struggling for a foothold. Once people start wanting something in large enough numbers it seems to become available from Apple.
Well it seems likely that it is more an issue with the hardware in the car. Perhaps they use ancient bluetooth components instead of what is available today. The stuff being put on the market today seems to not have the lag you are talking about which is nice. Car makers are more prone to use chinzy tech to cut corners. Have you found the same lag on higher end cars by chance?
Do the 5-6 cars you found to have this issue also have a hard connector? If so then you could still stick with wired sound via an adapter I suppose. I saw that someone makes a lightning adapter that will allow you to connect the sound and also charge at the same time.
But there is an adapter that allows one to plug into headphones and charge at the same time so you can drive listen to wired audio and charge your phone.
Without the wired connector there is more flexibility in design, perhaps an ability to increase water and dust resistance and more room for a greater battery perhaps. So likely a better class of phones over the long haul. One less 50 year old legacy product is a good thing in my view.
Interesting... My Trekz Titanium Aftershokz stop audio immediately on my old iPhone 5S running iOS 10 Beta 7 when I press pause. They do the same on my Plantronics headset.
When I press my special button to switch to voice dialing, the music stops immediately and restarts immediately upon switching off of voice call. Quite snappy really.
Perhaps it is that your particular headset is older or not quite as good.
My boss dropped his machine in the water this past weekend. My wife left hers in a puddle when it fell out of the car unbeknownst to her. I have know several people who have accidentally knocked theirs in the toilet.
My 5S is still going working well with strong Battery life and I am beta testing 10. Had the phone for 3 years now and for the most part Battery hasn't been even a slight problem except when I accidentally leave the phone on and active and forget about it.
Otherwise not really a hitch with it. I expect another couple of years will be fine as well. Still have a 3GS that works fine as well. At least for me, hardware has never been the problem. Accidents have been... but then screen replacements and connector replacements are not terribly hard to do up to this point.
Personally I don't get it. Loved it on my first generation Sony walkman. Not so keen on them in the past 20 or so years. Getting rid of it seems like a great idea... especially since so many phone makers already did it and Apple is merely following the trend set by others.
People need to get over the headphone jack. Wires suck. Wired headphones suck even more.
My wife and I dropped our 160/month and now pay roughly 64/month on a group plan with a bunch of family and friends. We take half of the savings and put it away for new phones/phone repair etc. The other 1/2 goes into monthly savings account. Works well for us and we save about 1100 or so each year. Works very well for us and it seems like it is fairly inexpensive for what we do. Glad ATT is dropping rates... now maybe we can say a bit more.
I had Tmobile for about 12 years. It was great and my wife's verizon would conk out all of the time while we were traveling. I even seemed to get reception where nobody else did.
Alas we moved to an area where TMobile works, but didn't have a presence so I couldn't seem to figure out how to get my messages. Now we are on AT&T. Works well and have a cheap group plan for about 32 bucks a line with data currently... soon to be less.
I suppose now that they are dropping further we will have to figure out how to lower everyones bill to our advantage again.
Yes Tech provides on both sides.... in an ongoing fashion.
Not sure what you are referring to in terms of the "old EFF one with no script". Can you explain that reference to me in more detail. I fear I am ignorant on the subject to which you are referring.
All humans think and reason using the same models of brain that evolved for our species. Thus we all have the same general types of brains and thinking. None of that has to do with 2D, 3D, 4D or Infinite D if you will
"Actually, no, we live in a 4D world... if you prefer, you think in 3D while Trump thinks in 4D."
Or maybe 5D if you consider space/time... so whatever. The point is all human brains are constrained by the same limitations of our evolution in the universe. Trump thinks using the same limited brain we all have evolved on this earth. What each of us thinks varies quite a bit based upon our experiences. What you seem to be suggesting is that Trump somehow thinks beyond the capacity of mere mortals such as myself. Would you say that Trump is a genius of unfathomable intellect? What might be evidence for such an assertion.
"Of course you do, because you're a simpleton, thus you can only see the simple view of such things..."
Ah... resorting to turning back a statement upon itself. I am referring to Trump and his vast lack of experience, history, political savvy, diplomacy, or any sort of metric that would make him anything other than a simpleton in such affairs. You resort to generalized labelling of someone you know zero about. Reflexive labelling of me in response to my opinion does little to lend any heft to what you say you must realize.
"Trump is where he is and you're where you're at because he is better at this than you are..." And where is Trump at exactly? How does one measure better? What fundamental metrics are you drawing upon exactly. Since you don't know me I would have to conclude that your statement is founded upon pure ignorance and fanciful thinking.
Your mistake is that you think in 2D, Trump thinks in 3D...
? Not even sure what this really means. I know of zero 2D thinking in our 3D universe. We are all 3-D thinkers since that is what we live in. a 3D world.
If you honestly believe he'd just walk away "willy nilly" then you simply don't understand the situation...
He is placing an opening position in a negotiation, you never open with the "reasonable middle option", because you'll be forced to move from that. He starts with a far off position and works towards the middle.
Perhaps you could be correct, but I think it is either very transparent bluster on the part of Trump that will soon be found out for what it is... nonsense. Either that or it is in fact Trumps expression of wanting to move in a more isolationist manner with the US. To me it seems that neither is actually all that effective behavior for a Superpower. We must keep our big boy pants on and man up to our role in the world. Superpower adults don't whine and throw fits.... 3 year olds like North Korea do.
Is it I who don't understand the situation? Or is it you? I'm not sure you are privy to Trumps thoughts any more than anyone else... but if you think you have a bead on the situation or are able to divine what Trumps thoughts truly are, then go ahead an believe what you will. I am just dubious. He spends a lot of time saying what people want to hear in many contradictory directions. He is a man of the moment and a man of fluctuating mood. He will say what is on his mind now and may say something entirely different when his mood changes.
I view Trump as a simpleton in the matters of nations. Being a businessman does not make a person de facto good at governance of a Nation. A nation and a business are not equivalent entities. A business can be run much more top down than can a republic. In a business, the vision and guidance of the owner of said business determines the direction the business goes.
Anyhow... you apparently like Trump from your lauding of his amazing 3D thought process. From my perspective, I suspect he would be a horrible leader. Never has someone with so little understanding of the governance of a Nation been on the cusp of being elected to a post he is so ill equipped for. The US has never elected a president with no experience in the political arena. Franklin would likely be appalled.
However, if Trump is elected which he could easily be, it will make for some interesting times. He will likely be displeased with constantly having to tussle with an unruly legislative body that is likely to give him nothing but grief. I'm sure he will revel in how powerless the president really is. He will have to rely on a lot of people to get things done because he really won't understand much of it. But empty vessels such as him will get filled up by someone. The nation will move forward no matter who is elected.
Hopefully, will Trumps election be of benefit to our Republic and for the betterment of the lives of all of our citizens. Or will he like all elites push for laws which benefit primarily those like him? I think his is likely to push for things that benefit him the most and the debt of our nation will soar. It will certainly be an interesting roll of the dice.
I don't think either of the current candidates is very good and would rather vote no confidence. That way we could get some better options. Gary Johnson for me is the most interesting candidate although he is also a bit of a question mark as to what he would do. I am interested in hearing more of what he has to say as the campaign wears on.
Certainly Europe could pay for more of its defense. Japan should as well. I would certainly say our allies need a bigger stake in the game. However,the idea of willy nilly backing out of arrangements which have had a stabilizing effect on the entire globe would be exceedingly foolish is such a thing were to come to pass.
How would doing so bring our own people healthcare or food? Our society has such vast wealth that nobody really would need to be hungry or lack healthcare and yet they do. Why? Priorities. We simply have set up society in such a way where this is allowed to be. We have a free enterprise system where people are allowed to fall through the cracks. We say it is up to the individual and not the government to secure their way in the world and as a consequence some will be cast aside. The individual has responsibilities to manage their lives.
Pulling back from our alliances is to invite further chaos into the world and seems a poor way to have economic prosperity. Chaos would put even more of our citizens under pressure perhaps. Less economic prosperity would lead to greater uncertainty for individuals and likely result in greater hunger and lack of healthcare.
Allowing aggressive players to resurge in the world to and be unchallenged would amount to capitulation. We have seen such foolishness before.
Wait wasn't trump the one who said NATO needs to be dismantled or something? If Trump kicks NATO to the curb is he going to just make a deal with Russia so they don't invade Europe in the power vacuum that happens? Sounds like the Naiveté of a certain Neville Chamberlain person from the not terribly long ago past.
What kind of project are you compiling that would take a week or even a few days? Most project compiles would not take long at all on even my old beater iMac from 3 years ago.
I don't even remember fresh compiles of Gentoo OS from source taking close to a week long. You must be working on some serious projects. What are you programming that might take such long compiles? Do you have a project up on Github or anything?
I was not a programmer but I did a lot of compiling of software from source for my systems. That is why when I was busy messing with machines I always had a few computers to work from. They all were pretty fast systems that I custom built. So it is nice to have a fast system when your primary work/entertainment is computing. Kind of like having the best and a wide array of tools for carpentry makes it quicker and easier to build things depending on the carpenter.
But I don't do that sort of thing any longer and I don't have the time to site for days playing games either so I don't really need a screaming system custom like you do. Not many people do, but lots of people on slashdot are computer geeks and do need such systems.
Yep. You are right on. My nephew's team competed and got into the finals where their team's alliance was crushed by a superior alliance.
But they spent the year helping lots of other teams with building and programming their bots. They were always busy helping others.
And they always made the point of bringing on a much lesser team as a point of principle even when that ended up disqualifying them from their last competition. Still they had a great run and a great year all the while helping as many as they could along the way. Memories to last a lifetime!!!!
Not really, but I suppose when someone is already underwater in De Nile that makes sense. hahahaha
Sorry I missed our continuing conversation. I was away and traveling for the weekend.
Anyhow... you never answered my questions about what exactly you do. You mentioned needing a speedy system, but what... other than for gaming is the water cooling for?
To accept a mistake or own it... one has to have made a mistake. And yet I haven't... so no I don't accept your misinterpretation of things as my mistake.
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There is a company that makes an adapter that has a wired connector and USB for charging in the same adapter.
Apparently it can affect Volkswagen as well and others.
Some guy in one of the threads said his Passat had the same problem, but his wife Kia had no problem.
Go figure.
Cool thing is over time things get better. Don't know why Honda seems to be not moving on the issue, but I am sure they will at some point.
Probably just need a firmware update or some sort.
An now it seems with the newer bluetooth there is a protocol that delivers true 16 bit CD quality sound essentially, but still you can get better 24 bit sound only over lightning.
At least in a car this may not matter, but would in a high end home audio setting.
Seems like a longstanding issue with Honda/Acura in a brief search. Perhaps they still haven't fixed the issue.
http://www.crvownersclub.com/f...
and....
http://www.9thgencivic.com/for...
and.....
http://empegbbs.com/ubbthreads...
"FWIW I think I've found the bug in Honda's code. When the Honda sends a "Service Search Attribute Request" for the "Audio Source" service on my phone it's omitting the UUID. The UUID is required. As a result, my phone responds with "Unknown service" and ends up transmitting all audio as generic data.
With the other devices I've tested, the UUID is there, my phone responds with the required information for the Audio Service, and all music gets streamed using RTP (Real Time Protocol)."
Seems like there are other car makes that can have the problem as well, but it is not an inherent Bluetooth issue it seems to me. It seems more like a problem originating with the car makers and their implementation of Bluetooth in their audio systems.
I think maybe apple is lagging, but still the vast bulk of phones on the market are. Apple really doesn't tend to lead the market in most cases. I haven't found them to be trend setters as most innovation seems to be from the phone makers who are struggling for a foothold.
Once people start wanting something in large enough numbers it seems to become available from Apple.
Not really surprising there.
Solid improvements over time, but nothing grand.
Well it seems likely that it is more an issue with the hardware in the car. Perhaps they use ancient bluetooth components instead of what is available today.
The stuff being put on the market today seems to not have the lag you are talking about which is nice.
Car makers are more prone to use chinzy tech to cut corners.
Have you found the same lag on higher end cars by chance?
Do the 5-6 cars you found to have this issue also have a hard connector?
If so then you could still stick with wired sound via an adapter I suppose.
I saw that someone makes a lightning adapter that will allow you to connect the sound and also charge at the same time.
But there is an adapter that allows one to plug into headphones and charge at the same time so you can drive listen to wired audio and charge your phone.
Without the wired connector there is more flexibility in design, perhaps an ability to increase water and dust resistance and more room for a greater battery perhaps.
So likely a better class of phones over the long haul. One less 50 year old legacy product is a good thing in my view.
Interesting... My Trekz Titanium Aftershokz stop audio immediately on my old iPhone 5S running iOS 10 Beta 7 when I press pause. They do the same on my Plantronics headset.
When I press my special button to switch to voice dialing, the music stops immediately and restarts immediately upon switching off of voice call.
Quite snappy really.
Perhaps it is that your particular headset is older or not quite as good.
"Water resistance? Who cares."
My boss dropped his machine in the water this past weekend.
My wife left hers in a puddle when it fell out of the car unbeknownst to her.
I have know several people who have accidentally knocked theirs in the toilet.
Some people care even if you hope to never care.
Get a lighning adapter that charges and has a headphone jack.
http://www.tama.com.cn/en/mifs...
My 5S is still going working well with strong Battery life and I am beta testing 10. Had the phone for 3 years now and for the most part Battery hasn't been even a slight problem except when I accidentally leave the phone on and active and forget about it.
Otherwise not really a hitch with it. I expect another couple of years will be fine as well.
Still have a 3GS that works fine as well. At least for me, hardware has never been the problem. Accidents have been... but then screen replacements and connector replacements are not terribly hard to do up to this point.
But everyone's mileage may vary.
Not really any different.
Every generation is the fastest.
I would think Tim Cook would weary of that line.
Personally I don't get it.
Loved it on my first generation Sony walkman.
Not so keen on them in the past 20 or so years.
Getting rid of it seems like a great idea... especially since so many phone makers already did it and Apple is merely following the trend set by others.
People need to get over the headphone jack.
Wires suck.
Wired headphones suck even more.
My wife and I dropped our 160/month and now pay roughly 64/month on a group plan with a bunch of family and friends. We take half of the savings and put it away for new phones/phone repair etc. The other 1/2 goes into monthly savings account.
Works well for us and we save about 1100 or so each year. Works very well for us and it seems like it is fairly inexpensive for what we do.
Glad ATT is dropping rates... now maybe we can say a bit more.
I had Tmobile for about 12 years. It was great and my wife's verizon would conk out all of the time while we were traveling. I even seemed to get reception where nobody else did.
Alas we moved to an area where TMobile works, but didn't have a presence so I couldn't seem to figure out how to get my messages.
Now we are on AT&T. Works well and have a cheap group plan for about 32 bucks a line with data currently... soon to be less.
I suppose now that they are dropping further we will have to figure out how to lower everyones bill to our advantage again.
Gotta love competition.
Yes Tech provides on both sides.... in an ongoing fashion.
Not sure what you are referring to in terms of the "old EFF one with no script".
Can you explain that reference to me in more detail. I fear I am ignorant on the subject to which you are referring.
Thanks in advance.
I suppose if peoples unique browser fingerprints will be able to be tracked then the next thing is randomized fake browser fingerprints.
Technology always provides.
hahahah
All humans think and reason using the same models of brain that evolved for our species.
Thus we all have the same general types of brains and thinking.
None of that has to do with 2D, 3D, 4D or Infinite D if you will
"Actually, no, we live in a 4D world... if you prefer, you think in 3D while Trump thinks in 4D."
Or maybe 5D if you consider space/time... so whatever. The point is all human brains are constrained by the same limitations of our evolution in the universe.
Trump thinks using the same limited brain we all have evolved on this earth.
What each of us thinks varies quite a bit based upon our experiences.
What you seem to be suggesting is that Trump somehow thinks beyond the capacity of mere mortals such as myself.
Would you say that Trump is a genius of unfathomable intellect? What might be evidence for such an assertion.
"Of course you do, because you're a simpleton, thus you can only see the simple view of such things..."
Ah... resorting to turning back a statement upon itself. I am referring to Trump and his vast lack of experience, history, political savvy, diplomacy, or any sort of metric that would make him anything other than a simpleton in such affairs.
You resort to generalized labelling of someone you know zero about.
Reflexive labelling of me in response to my opinion does little to lend any heft to what you say you must realize.
"Trump is where he is and you're where you're at because he is better at this than you are..."
And where is Trump at exactly?
How does one measure better?
What fundamental metrics are you drawing upon exactly.
Since you don't know me I would have to conclude that your statement is founded upon pure ignorance and fanciful thinking.
Your mistake is that you think in 2D, Trump thinks in 3D...
?
Not even sure what this really means. I know of zero 2D thinking in our 3D universe.
We are all 3-D thinkers since that is what we live in. a 3D world.
If you honestly believe he'd just walk away "willy nilly" then you simply don't understand the situation...
He is placing an opening position in a negotiation, you never open with the "reasonable middle option", because you'll be forced to move from that. He starts with a far off position and works towards the middle.
Perhaps you could be correct, but I think it is either very transparent bluster on the part of Trump that will soon be found out for what it is... nonsense. Either that or it is in fact Trumps expression of wanting to move in a more isolationist manner with the US. To me it seems that neither is actually all that effective behavior for a Superpower. We must keep our big boy pants on and man up to our role in the world. Superpower adults don't whine and throw fits.... 3 year olds like North Korea do.
Is it I who don't understand the situation? Or is it you? I'm not sure you are privy to Trumps thoughts any more than anyone else... but if you think you have a bead on the situation or are able to divine what Trumps thoughts truly are, then go ahead an believe what you will. I am just dubious. He spends a lot of time saying what people want to hear in many contradictory directions. He is a man of the moment and a man of fluctuating mood. He will say what is on his mind now and may say something entirely different when his mood changes.
I view Trump as a simpleton in the matters of nations.
Being a businessman does not make a person de facto good at governance of a Nation. A nation and a business are not equivalent entities. A business can be run much more top down than can a republic. In a business, the vision and guidance of the owner of said business determines the direction the business goes.
Anyhow... you apparently like Trump from your lauding of his amazing 3D thought process. From my perspective, I suspect he would be a horrible leader. Never has someone with so little understanding of the governance of a Nation been on the cusp of being elected to a post he is so ill equipped for. The US has never elected a president with no experience in the political arena. Franklin would likely be appalled.
However, if Trump is elected which he could easily be, it will make for some interesting times. He will likely be displeased with constantly having to tussle with an unruly legislative body that is likely to give him nothing but grief. I'm sure he will revel in how powerless the president really is. He will have to rely on a lot of people to get things done because he really won't understand much of it. But empty vessels such as him will get filled up by someone. The nation will move forward no matter who is elected.
Hopefully, will Trumps election be of benefit to our Republic and for the betterment of the lives of all of our citizens. Or will he like all elites push for laws which benefit primarily those like him? I think his is likely to push for things that benefit him the most and the debt of our nation will soar. It will certainly be an interesting roll of the dice.
I don't think either of the current candidates is very good and would rather vote no confidence. That way we could get some better options.
Gary Johnson for me is the most interesting candidate although he is also a bit of a question mark as to what he would do. I am interested in hearing more of what he has to say as the campaign wears on.
Certainly Europe could pay for more of its defense. Japan should as well. I would certainly say our allies need a bigger stake in the game.
However,the idea of willy nilly backing out of arrangements which have had a stabilizing effect on the entire globe would be exceedingly foolish is such a thing were to come to pass.
How would doing so bring our own people healthcare or food?
Our society has such vast wealth that nobody really would need to be hungry or lack healthcare and yet they do.
Why?
Priorities.
We simply have set up society in such a way where this is allowed to be.
We have a free enterprise system where people are allowed to fall through the cracks.
We say it is up to the individual and not the government to secure their way in the world and as a consequence some will be cast aside.
The individual has responsibilities to manage their lives.
Pulling back from our alliances is to invite further chaos into the world and seems a poor way to have economic prosperity.
Chaos would put even more of our citizens under pressure perhaps. Less economic prosperity would lead to greater uncertainty for individuals and likely result in greater hunger and lack of healthcare.
Allowing aggressive players to resurge in the world to and be unchallenged would amount to capitulation.
We have seen such foolishness before.
Stability
Mutual Economic Benefit.
Who benefits from the resurgence of an aggressive communist empire?
Wait wasn't trump the one who said NATO needs to be dismantled or something?
If Trump kicks NATO to the curb is he going to just make a deal with Russia so they don't invade Europe in the power vacuum that happens?
Sounds like the Naiveté of a certain Neville Chamberlain person from the not terribly long ago past.
What kind of project are you compiling that would take a week or even a few days?
Most project compiles would not take long at all on even my old beater iMac from 3 years ago.
I don't even remember fresh compiles of Gentoo OS from source taking close to a week long.
You must be working on some serious projects.
What are you programming that might take such long compiles?
Do you have a project up on Github or anything?
I was not a programmer but I did a lot of compiling of software from source for my systems.
That is why when I was busy messing with machines I always had a few computers to work from.
They all were pretty fast systems that I custom built.
So it is nice to have a fast system when your primary work/entertainment is computing.
Kind of like having the best and a wide array of tools for carpentry makes it quicker and easier to build things depending on the carpenter.
But I don't do that sort of thing any longer and I don't have the time to site for days playing games either so I don't really need a screaming system custom like you do.
Not many people do, but lots of people on slashdot are computer geeks and do need such systems.
Yep. You are right on.
My nephew's team competed and got into the finals where their team's alliance was crushed by a superior alliance.
But they spent the year helping lots of other teams with building and programming their bots.
They were always busy helping others.
And they always made the point of bringing on a much lesser team as a point of principle even when that ended up disqualifying them from their last competition.
Still they had a great run and a great year all the while helping as many as they could along the way.
Memories to last a lifetime!!!!
Not really, but I suppose when someone is already underwater in De Nile that makes sense. hahahaha
Sorry I missed our continuing conversation.
I was away and traveling for the weekend.
Anyhow... you never answered my questions about what exactly you do. ... other than for gaming is the water cooling for?
You mentioned needing a speedy system, but what
To accept a mistake or own it... one has to have made a mistake.
And yet I haven't... so no I don't accept your misinterpretation of things as my mistake.