And you couldn't understand it. I can't really account for how other people wrongly skim what I say.
You keep saying a bunch of stuff about what I said and what I meant which has nothing to do with what my actual words said. Then you tell me how I should have phrased it better.
Perhaps I could have phrased it better, but in the end if other people put meaning into it that isn't there, then that is on them.
Yes... I made the statement. and.... Yes iMacs work for me. Yes People choose the machines which suit their needs.
Those are just the facts and those are what the words in the phrase you quoted mean. Sorry you feel I am the nitwit. But then again you seem to have a penchant for not understanding things and then accusing others or saying what they didn't actually say. Perhaps a simple mistake, but you don't simply admit you made a mistake either because you have gone too far down the rabbit hole or because you truly don't understand.
Oh btw... my reference to the Ben Franklin was not about holding myself up as a genius. I was talking about you. But since you seem to have difficulty with understanding things Bionic Lemming I will try and guide you once more.
By putting that rather apt quote in there, I was trying to point out the fact that you are too hurried and need more patience so that you can comprehend things before you jump on what people say without solid understanding of what you read. Your genius will be allowed to flourish if you have more patience and don't act in such haste my friend.
If not, you will continue to bury yourself in repeated cycles of misunderstanding.
[But yeah, I'll call you a genius. Here's a statement I made to a former co-worker with a love for Apple.
"I found out that mac repair techs are called geniuses. and I agree with that. In my experience, a mac user that can use a screwdriver qualifies as one when measured against all Apple users."]
Kind of a general statement that lacks in fundamental logic. I bet you thought you were being cute to make such a boorish statement. You are proud enough of it to repeat it here for S's & G's.
Aren't you the wit!!! I had no idea I was dealing with someone of profoundly ignorant eloquence!!! Good thing your co-worker moved on... I bet they couldn't get anything done around you and your rapier wit. Must have been on the floor laughing the entire time while not getting real work done. hahahaha
Ok word police, so you can't comprehend correctly what I said and now you are trying to tell me how I should have said things.... figures.
Anyhow I am not a genius, but it doesn't take one to comprehend english. It seems you struggle in this particular area. Not my problem though. But if you feel like hashing over your rushed response further, by all means continue. It won't change the fact that you didn't initially read what I said correctly or that you continue to want to pursue conversation trying to make your initial error somehow less.
Plainer English for those who can't understand things.....
First concept: "They do what I need them to do" (My iMacs) will do what I need them to do.
Second concept: "...do what I need them to do which is all anyone buys a machine for." All people buy machines to do what they need them to do.
There are 2 fundamental concepts that are wedded together in the statement which is perhaps why you are confused.
It acknowledges that iMacs do the job for me. (True) It also plainly suggests that everyone buys the machine that suits them for their needs. (True)
What you are implying I said but didn't actually say: I did not state that iMacs do everything that anyone would need. (False)
The statement you quote doesn't remotely indicate that I am a role model for anything. Perhaps you need to learn a bit more about the meanings of posts people make before blathering on. Either that or you might wish to acknowledge when you are skimming and didn't quite understand what you were reading rather than continuing to try make rocks swim when they can't. Perhaps be lest hasty, skim less and you might absorb more.
[Genius is nothing but a greater aptitude for patience - BENJAMIN FRANKLIN]
Hope you have your raid array backed up in a couple of ways. It is nice to have a powerful machine for messing with HD video, but I don't need a screamer for that. My mac makes pretty easy work of putting together our HD content and making some nice edited video montages that make all of the kids very happy. The only thing that takes time is exporting the video into its container once I am done with edits but that doesn't take very long and I can work on other stuff while it is churning away or go get a beer from the fridge. I am not doing production video of any sort. If you are, you might need a lot more horsepower of course.
"I mentioned this because you indicated that you were the role model for all people who use a computer - which is why I selected and replied to your quote."
No I didn't. I never indicated I was a role model for all people. I don't think of myself as a role model for anyone and don't think I indicated anything close to thinking I am the role model for others. Neither do I generally talk in terms of what I think.... as applying to "all people" who use a computer. I use my machine far more than 99.5% of the population, but I would not either imply or state that I and my computer usage applies to most anybody.
below are things I said... none of which would indicate anything close to considering myself a role model for anything.
["Key to remember is that not every machine is for everyone, but for most people I know, an iMac or Mac laptop of some sort is a lot less of a headache than a windows or linux box."
"Most people just don't need a big expandable Mac anymore and Big expandable PC's of any sort are not much in need given the commoditization of the computing world. "]
I believe this to be true for most people. I didn't say everyone doesn't need a big expandable computer. There are always those like yourself currently or me in the past who wish to dabble in lots of things and would like to have more robust boxes to tinker with. Such a level of user is not very close to the majority of users. More like a tiny fraction.
"Many people need nothing more than a tabled or net book. Sounds like you're one of them."
The first part I would agree is true for many people, but what about what I have said would indicate I am one of those who would prefer a crippled netbook or content devouring tablet? I do production work with photography, I do CAD design. And then there is my past and current state with building linux systems out of mostly legacy hardware I get at this point. Do you read what people say before you post?
"But other people out there (like myself) get frustrated by hardware and software limitations imposed on us by various manufacturers that try to save money instead of building quality."
I spent years building the ultimate systems and gaming every waking hour. That was a great phase, but ultimately I had other priorities in life and I have moved on to needing a robust machine that will get the work I want done. That machine for me happens to be my iMac. At the time I bought it the graphics card was the 5th fastest graphics card on the market and I got it with a nice quick i-7 processor. It could play the new game Witcher 2 at the time with everything turned on so I was told, but I didn't need it for gaming since I am no longer a gamer, but it indicates the general power of the machine at the time.
So despite it being a mac, I had a fairly robust system. This is now 3 years on and my iMac is still very robust for my needs. These days I need a solid machine that will do the work I need it to and that is what I have. Now you mention poor quality.... Well most windows machines I have used generally last 3-5 years before a new machine really should be purchased. Even the machines that I built at the cutting edge I would replace fairly frequently. But with the iMacs I am finding that I can stretch them out to 6-8 years and have only had one problem with one of them. With all of the Macs I get to help people with, most of them last 6-8 years with low to no maintenance required. I would say that they have a pretty decent quality of build overall. Aesthetically they don't hog up most of my tiny work area so I appreciate that as well.
Now you say you don't like hardware limitations... but you will always have hardware limitations. Foremost limitation is the pocketbook limitation. We all hope to build a rack mount computer array that we can do great things with, but that isn't a reality for most of us.
Then there is the fact that once you buy your hardware it is getting older and getting old fast. New stuff 6 months on will blow your systems doo
Like I said. I do what they need them to do. Takes care of my business and photo editing.
Not a hard core gamer. I would build my own machine for that if I needed that.
Not a programmer. Not a video editor. Not a music studio although I am fairly certain I don't need 64 gigs, Raid 10 or water cooling on a video card for music editing.
Sounds like you have a nice setup.
I used to do that sort of thing back in the day when I had oodles of disposable time to spend on building systems to the ultimate overclocked spec. But sadly... even the fastest system was always living on borrowed time. It wouldn't be more than a year before a basic system someone else built was much faster and had better tech. So I would build another and another. Always chasing the ultimate. All of the systems I ever built looks about as arcane as an Atari 800 now. That is just how it goes.
Anyhow... my iMac takes care of what I need for now and does so very well. My machine wouldn't take care of your needs, nor would any Apple product. For you, you will need to build custom machines and that is fine. You are part of an elite group of people who care about such things and have the wherewithal to chase technology to its limits depending on your budget.
"My guess is no. You're probably one of the south park "smug' set. At least that's how you portray yourself." Not sure what "the smug set" is really. I work as a construction worker and do a side business as a photographer. Not sure how you got any portrayal of myself by me saying my machine does what I need it to do. Anyhow, my life is rather mundane rather than "Trip and Hendy"
Interesting. I haven't had apple Maps route me down a one way street or off an overpass. Then again, I have only been using it for a couple of years now.
I can expand my RAM on my iMac. Don't need more internal drives. I have a 3 TB internal.
Eventually I might need a better machine, so I will buy one.
Kind of like I used to do when wanted a faster better Linux box. I'd build one.
I love my apple keyboard, my typing speed is 10-15wpm faster now. Recently I got to use my favorite old klackety klack Mac Keyboard when I was rebuilding another scrap linux box. Just not as nice anymore. I will always keep it around because I use it to fix up old boxes and donate them, but as the years wear on, it has lost more of its lustre.
I suppose All in One Macs aren't your bag, but they are nice for me currently. They do what I need them to do which is all anyone buys a machine for. And I expect my current machine will last at least another 6-8 years. In a couple years I can upgrade my ram and my iMac will feel like a snappy machine again. Maybe in about 4-5 years I get another iMac or whatever and pass my current one down to my wife.
Key to remember is that not every machine is for everyone, but for most people I know, an iMac or Mac laptop of some sort is a lot less of a headache than a windows or linux box. Most people just don't need a big expandable Mac anymore and Big expandable PC's of any sort are not much in need given the commoditization of the computing world. Multiple grandma's, grandpa's, aunts, uncles and cousins have all switched to iMacs and Mac laptops in the last several years and my maintenance time has dropped by 90+%. So my life has gotten a lot easier because of non-upgradeable Macs. They seem to last at least 6 years. Most of the PC's they had before really were long in the tooth at less than 6 years time.
Happy hunting on another 8 year old Mac. A tribute to their longevity really.
I seem to remember the total population was somewhere around 200 million. If the jobless claims back then were equivalent to what they are now, wouldn't that mean that the number is essentially lower?
Except it wasn't the officials elected by the people of Flint. Was the City Manager who was appointed by the governor. The people of Flynt and elected officials apparently had little to say in the matter since the governor took over the city. The EPA warnings about the problems with the water went unheeded... and voila!!!! You now have to pay for the incompetence of the City Manager appointed to run the city instead of the duly elected officials.
I don't know about a pirated version, but it was fairly strait forward setting up my VM with XP. and a valid license. I don't even remember having to call microsoft for activation. It activated straight away.
Virtual Box won't let you run 32-bit XP?? That is too bad.
I use Parallels on my Mac and have a copy of XP and it runs Civ2 vanilla just fine. Also runs some of my more esoteric 32-bit software like TacX i-Magic & Fortius for my VR bike trainer.
I think the link I provided above had a work around to convert Civ 2 Vanilla to Civ2 Multiplayer Gold. It isn't just Civ2 MGE that works allegedly. Hoops yes... but that is the price of progress. I like that I can still run my Atari 800 software on PC's. I don't really expect 20-30 year old software to just work without having to do a bit of Hoop Jumping.
You can create a Virtual 32 bit version of XP using virtual box that should be able to run the rest of your software. DOSBox is another program that is useful for running DOS programs and games.
Just run it in VM with connection to the outside world shut off. I have done this with XP for years so that I don't inadvertently get infested with something.
Interesting that windows doesn't run your old favorite games. My version of Win 10 Runs Warcraft 2 BNE from 1999. I think there are several others from that era that work just fine. What games are you trying to run which don't work?
Thanks, That is what I ended up doing following the process below which was on the Microsoft Insider Forums. I haven't had to do this kind of thing in years. This type of approach was routine back in the day to keep some software working. ** ---- How To Upgrade Windows 10 Build 10074 to Build 10240 If You Get An Error When Attempting To Install (Works 100%, should work for other builds) **this worked with 10162 as well using my iMac and my Parallels desktop Insider install. I didn't need to activate it since mine was activated already, but not functioning.
It's pretty simple. I figured this out when helping somebody. This also works
Right-click the clock in the taskbar and click Adjust Date/Time. Turn off internet synchronization. Change the date to anywhere in the month September (or any time between April 29th and October 1st). The Windows Update error may change if you have gone far back enough, however, this will not matter. Reactivate Windows by going into Settings, clicking the link that says Activate Windows, and activate using the product key 6P99N-YF42M-TPGBG-9VMJP-YKHCF. Download the Windows 10 Media Creation tool. DO NOT upgrade directly with the tool. Instead, create a Windows 10 installation media. Once the tool completes the creation [of the install media], start the setup program. If it asks you to install updates, DO NOT have them installed, because of the same reason as above. Run the tool. If it tries to install updates and it gets stuck, then things were not done correctly. Close the update window (using Task Manager if neccessary) and follow the directions more closely. It should now start installing.
I had it set to do perpetual updates, but at some point it broke. It said it would update, but then the update would crap out. Ah well. I fixed it all and got my new Win 10 Pro working on my VM using the following instructions someone had on the Insider Forums.
(Mine was Build 10162 and the following worked quite well!!!Back in the 90's this approach was fairly standard with dated installs that would expire. In order to update if you messed up on some dated install, you would just roll back your system clock.) It's pretty simple. ---------------------- How To Upgrade Windows 10 Build 10074 to Build 10240 If You Get An Error When Attempting To Install (Works 100%, should work for other builds)
Right-click the clock in the taskbar and click Adjust Date/Time. Turn off internet synchronization. Change the date to anywhere in the month September (or any time between April 29th and October 1st). The Windows Update error may change if you have gone far back enough, however, this will not matter. Reactivate Windows by going into Settings, clicking the link that says Activate Windows, and activate using the product key 6P99N-YF42M-TPGBG-9VMJP-YKHCF. Download the Windows 10 Media Creation tool. DO NOT upgrade directly with the tool. Instead, create a Windows 10 installation media. Once the tool completes the creation, start the setup program (from the install media you created). If it asks you to install updates, DO NOT have them installed, because of the same reason as above. Run the tool. If it tries to install updates and it gets stuck, then things were not done correctly. Close the update window (using Task Manager if neccessary) and follow the directions more closely. It should now start installing.
Went to fire up my Windows 10 VM today. It was a technical preview which allows me to upgrade to a full Windows 10 Pro version, but I am locked out. First it said it was outdated, Then it quite updating altogether. Now it says a component expired and I need to hit F8 for recovery except nothing happens with F8.
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And you couldn't understand it.
I can't really account for how other people wrongly skim what I say.
You keep saying a bunch of stuff about what I said and what I meant which has nothing to do with what my actual words said. Then you tell me how I should have phrased it better.
Perhaps I could have phrased it better, but in the end if other people put meaning into it that isn't there, then that is on them.
Yes... I made the statement.
and....
Yes iMacs work for me.
Yes People choose the machines which suit their needs.
Those are just the facts and those are what the words in the phrase you quoted mean. Sorry you feel I am the nitwit.
But then again you seem to have a penchant for not understanding things and then accusing others or saying what they didn't actually say.
Perhaps a simple mistake, but you don't simply admit you made a mistake either because you have gone too far down the rabbit hole or because you truly don't understand.
Either way.... not my problem.
Oh btw... my reference to the Ben Franklin was not about holding myself up as a genius. I was talking about you.
But since you seem to have difficulty with understanding things Bionic Lemming I will try and guide you once more.
By putting that rather apt quote in there, I was trying to point out the fact that you are too hurried and need more patience so that you can comprehend things before you jump on what people say without solid understanding of what you read.
Your genius will be allowed to flourish if you have more patience and don't act in such haste my friend.
If not, you will continue to bury yourself in repeated cycles of misunderstanding.
[But yeah, I'll call you a genius. Here's a statement I made to a former co-worker with a love for Apple.
"I found out that mac repair techs are called geniuses. and I agree with that. In my experience, a mac user that can use a screwdriver qualifies as one when measured against all Apple users."]
Kind of a general statement that lacks in fundamental logic.
I bet you thought you were being cute to make such a boorish statement.
You are proud enough of it to repeat it here for S's & G's.
Aren't you the wit!!! I had no idea I was dealing with someone of profoundly ignorant eloquence!!!
Good thing your co-worker moved on... I bet they couldn't get anything done around you and your rapier wit.
Must have been on the floor laughing the entire time while not getting real work done.
hahahaha
Ok word police, so you can't comprehend correctly what I said and now you are trying to tell me how I should have said things.... figures.
Anyhow I am not a genius, but it doesn't take one to comprehend english.
It seems you struggle in this particular area.
Not my problem though. But if you feel like hashing over your rushed response further, by all means continue. It won't change the fact that you didn't initially read what I said correctly or that you continue to want to pursue conversation trying to make your initial error somehow less.
I am game. Please continue.
Plainer English for those who can't understand things.....
First concept:
"They do what I need them to do"
(My iMacs) will do what I need them to do.
Second concept:
"...do what I need them to do which is all anyone buys a machine for."
All people buy machines to do what they need them to do.
There are 2 fundamental concepts that are wedded together in the statement which is perhaps why you are confused.
It acknowledges that iMacs do the job for me. (True)
It also plainly suggests that everyone buys the machine that suits them for their needs. (True)
What you are implying I said but didn't actually say:
I did not state that iMacs do everything that anyone would need. (False)
The statement you quote doesn't remotely indicate that I am a role model for anything.
Perhaps you need to learn a bit more about the meanings of posts people make before blathering on. Either that or you might wish to acknowledge when you are skimming and didn't quite understand what you were reading rather than continuing to try make rocks swim when they can't. Perhaps be lest hasty, skim less and you might absorb more.
[Genius is nothing but a greater aptitude for patience - BENJAMIN FRANKLIN]
Hope you have your raid array backed up in a couple of ways.
It is nice to have a powerful machine for messing with HD video, but I don't need a screamer for that. My mac makes pretty easy work of putting together our HD content and making some nice edited video montages that make all of the kids very happy. The only thing that takes time is exporting the video into its container once I am done with edits but that doesn't take very long and I can work on other stuff while it is churning away or go get a beer from the fridge.
I am not doing production video of any sort. If you are, you might need a lot more horsepower of course.
So are yo a programmer, DB manager, video editor?
"I mentioned this because you indicated that you were the role model for all people who use a computer - which is why I selected and replied to your quote."
No I didn't. I never indicated I was a role model for all people.
I don't think of myself as a role model for anyone and don't think I indicated anything close to thinking I am the role model for others.
Neither do I generally talk in terms of what I think.... as applying to "all people" who use a computer.
I use my machine far more than 99.5% of the population, but I would not either imply or state that I and my computer usage applies to most anybody.
below are things I said... none of which would indicate anything close to considering myself a role model for anything.
["Key to remember is that not every machine is for everyone, but for most people I know, an iMac or Mac laptop of some sort is a lot less of a headache than a windows or linux box."
"Most people just don't need a big expandable Mac anymore and Big expandable PC's of any sort are not much in need given the commoditization of the computing world. "]
I believe this to be true for most people. I didn't say everyone doesn't need a big expandable computer. There are always those like yourself currently or me in the past who wish to dabble in lots of things and would like to have more robust boxes to tinker with. Such a level of user is not very close to the majority of users. More like a tiny fraction.
"Many people need nothing more than a tabled or net book. Sounds like you're one of them."
The first part I would agree is true for many people, but what about what I have said would indicate I am one of those who would prefer a crippled netbook or content devouring tablet?
I do production work with photography, I do CAD design. And then there is my past and current state with building linux systems out of mostly legacy hardware I get at this point. Do you read what people say before you post?
"But other people out there (like myself) get frustrated by hardware and software limitations imposed on us by various manufacturers that try to save money instead of building quality."
I spent years building the ultimate systems and gaming every waking hour. That was a great phase, but ultimately I had other priorities in life and I have moved on to needing a robust machine that will get the work I want done. That machine for me happens to be my iMac. At the time I bought it the graphics card was the 5th fastest graphics card on the market and I got it with a nice quick i-7 processor. It could play the new game Witcher 2 at the time with everything turned on so I was told, but I didn't need it for gaming since I am no longer a gamer, but it indicates the general power of the machine at the time.
So despite it being a mac, I had a fairly robust system. This is now 3 years on and my iMac is still very robust for my needs. These days I need a solid machine that will do the work I need it to and that is what I have. Now you mention poor quality.... Well most windows machines I have used generally last 3-5 years before a new machine really should be purchased. Even the machines that I built at the cutting edge I would replace fairly frequently. But with the iMacs I am finding that I can stretch them out to 6-8 years and have only had one problem with one of them. With all of the Macs I get to help people with, most of them last 6-8 years with low to no maintenance required. I would say that they have a pretty decent quality of build overall. Aesthetically they don't hog up most of my tiny work area so I appreciate that as well.
Now you say you don't like hardware limitations... but you will always have hardware limitations. Foremost limitation is the pocketbook limitation. We all hope to build a rack mount computer array that we can do great things with, but that isn't a reality for most of us.
Then there is the fact that once you buy your hardware it is getting older and getting old fast. New stuff 6 months on will blow your systems doo
Like I said. I do what they need them to do. Takes care of my business and photo editing.
Not a hard core gamer.
I would build my own machine for that if I needed that.
Not a programmer.
Not a video editor.
Not a music studio although I am fairly certain I don't need 64 gigs, Raid 10 or water cooling on a video card for music editing.
Sounds like you have a nice setup.
I used to do that sort of thing back in the day when I had oodles of disposable time to spend on building systems to the ultimate overclocked spec.
But sadly... even the fastest system was always living on borrowed time. It wouldn't be more than a year before a basic system someone else built was much faster and had better tech. So I would build another and another. Always chasing the ultimate. All of the systems I ever built looks about as arcane as an Atari 800 now. That is just how it goes.
Anyhow... my iMac takes care of what I need for now and does so very well.
My machine wouldn't take care of your needs, nor would any Apple product.
For you, you will need to build custom machines and that is fine.
You are part of an elite group of people who care about such things and have the wherewithal to chase technology to its limits depending on your budget.
"My guess is no. You're probably one of the south park "smug' set. At least that's how you portray yourself."
Not sure what "the smug set" is really. I work as a construction worker and do a side business as a photographer.
Not sure how you got any portrayal of myself by me saying my machine does what I need it to do.
Anyhow, my life is rather mundane rather than "Trip and Hendy"
The iPad is a tablet.
The Surface is a computer.
Not sure how they are really in competition really.
They function differently.
The kids use the iPad every day and get great use out of it.
Not sure I could say the same if they had a Surface.
Interesting.
I haven't had apple Maps route me down a one way street or off an overpass. Then again, I have only been using it for a couple of years now.
I can expand my RAM on my iMac.
Don't need more internal drives. I have a 3 TB internal.
Eventually I might need a better machine, so I will buy one.
Kind of like I used to do when wanted a faster better Linux box. I'd build one.
I love my apple keyboard, my typing speed is 10-15wpm faster now.
Recently I got to use my favorite old klackety klack Mac Keyboard when I was rebuilding another scrap linux box.
Just not as nice anymore. I will always keep it around because I use it to fix up old boxes and donate them, but as the years wear on, it has lost more of its lustre.
I suppose All in One Macs aren't your bag, but they are nice for me currently. They do what I need them to do which is all anyone buys a machine for.
And I expect my current machine will last at least another 6-8 years. In a couple years I can upgrade my ram and my iMac will feel like a snappy machine again. Maybe in about 4-5 years I get another iMac or whatever and pass my current one down to my wife.
Key to remember is that not every machine is for everyone, but for most people I know, an iMac or Mac laptop of some sort is a lot less of a headache than a windows or linux box.
Most people just don't need a big expandable Mac anymore and Big expandable PC's of any sort are not much in need given the commoditization of the computing world. Multiple grandma's, grandpa's, aunts, uncles and cousins have all switched to iMacs and Mac laptops in the last several years and my maintenance time has dropped by 90+%. So my life has gotten a lot easier because of non-upgradeable Macs. They seem to last at least 6 years. Most of the PC's they had before really were long in the tooth at less than 6 years time.
Happy hunting on another 8 year old Mac. A tribute to their longevity really.
No it doesn't.
It thrives cause there is a market.
It is widespread and everywhere.
The only secrecy and silence he must be talking about is in the governors own office.
I seem to remember the total population was somewhere around 200 million.
If the jobless claims back then were equivalent to what they are now, wouldn't that mean that the number is essentially lower?
Perhaps they have adjusted for population.
Except it wasn't the officials elected by the people of Flint.
Was the City Manager who was appointed by the governor.
The people of Flynt and elected officials apparently had little to say in the matter since the governor took over the city.
The EPA warnings about the problems with the water went unheeded... and voila!!!!
You now have to pay for the incompetence of the City Manager appointed to run the city instead of the duly elected officials.
I don't know about a pirated version, but it was fairly strait forward setting up my VM with XP. and a valid license. I don't even remember having to call microsoft for activation. It activated straight away.
I had an old copy of XP pro with a valid license. There was no 64-bit edition when this copy was released.
I only have the 32-bit edition.
"Try again?".
Virtual Box won't let you run 32-bit XP?? That is too bad.
I use Parallels on my Mac and have a copy of XP and it runs Civ2 vanilla just fine. Also runs some of my more esoteric 32-bit software like TacX i-Magic & Fortius for my VR bike trainer.
I think the link I provided above had a work around to convert Civ 2 Vanilla to Civ2 Multiplayer Gold. It isn't just Civ2 MGE that works allegedly.
Hoops yes... but that is the price of progress. I like that I can still run my Atari 800 software on PC's. I don't really expect 20-30 year old software to just work without having to do a bit of Hoop Jumping.
You can create a Virtual 32 bit version of XP using virtual box that should be able to run the rest of your software.
DOSBox is another program that is useful for running DOS programs and games.
If there is a will, there is a way.
I've found in my experience that there is almost always some way to install anything legacy. Sometimes it is difficult. Sometimes not.
I haven't tried this but here is a way to get the old Civ 2 to play on 64-bit systems allegedly.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/...
This discussion just reminded me to go ahead and fire up my Win 10 Pro VM, unblock my internet, and run some updates.
THX for reminding me.
Just run it in VM with connection to the outside world shut off.
I have done this with XP for years so that I don't inadvertently get infested with something.
Interesting that windows doesn't run your old favorite games.
My version of Win 10 Runs Warcraft 2 BNE from 1999.
I think there are several others from that era that work just fine.
What games are you trying to run which don't work?
Thanks, That is what I ended up doing following the process below which was on the Microsoft Insider Forums.
I haven't had to do this kind of thing in years. This type of approach was routine back in the day to keep some software working.
**
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How To Upgrade Windows 10 Build 10074 to Build 10240 If You Get An Error When Attempting To Install (Works 100%, should work for other builds)
**this worked with 10162 as well using my iMac and my Parallels desktop Insider install. I didn't need to activate it since mine was activated already, but not functioning.
It's pretty simple. I figured this out when helping somebody. This also works
Right-click the clock in the taskbar and click Adjust Date/Time.
Turn off internet synchronization.
Change the date to anywhere in the month September (or any time between April 29th and October 1st). The Windows Update error may change if you have gone far back enough, however, this will not matter.
Reactivate Windows by going into Settings, clicking the link that says Activate Windows, and activate using the product key 6P99N-YF42M-TPGBG-9VMJP-YKHCF.
Download the Windows 10 Media Creation tool.
DO NOT upgrade directly with the tool. Instead, create a Windows 10 installation media.
Once the tool completes the creation [of the install media], start the setup program. If it asks you to install updates, DO NOT have them installed, because of the same reason as above.
Run the tool. If it tries to install updates and it gets stuck, then things were not done correctly. Close the update window (using Task Manager if neccessary) and follow the directions more closely.
It should now start installing.
I had it set to do perpetual updates, but at some point it broke.
It said it would update, but then the update would crap out.
Ah well. I fixed it all and got my new Win 10 Pro working on my VM using the following instructions someone had on the Insider Forums.
(Mine was Build 10162 and the following worked quite well!!!Back in the 90's this approach was fairly standard with dated installs that would expire. In order to update if you messed up on some dated install, you would just roll back your system clock.)
It's pretty simple.
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How To Upgrade Windows 10 Build 10074 to Build 10240 If You Get An Error When Attempting To Install (Works 100%, should work for other builds)
Right-click the clock in the taskbar and click Adjust Date/Time.
Turn off internet synchronization.
Change the date to anywhere in the month September (or any time between April 29th and October 1st). The Windows Update error may change if you have gone far back enough, however, this will not matter.
Reactivate Windows by going into Settings, clicking the link that says Activate Windows, and activate using the product key 6P99N-YF42M-TPGBG-9VMJP-YKHCF.
Download the Windows 10 Media Creation tool.
DO NOT upgrade directly with the tool. Instead, create a Windows 10 installation media.
Once the tool completes the creation, start the setup program (from the install media you created). If it asks you to install updates, DO NOT have them installed, because of the same reason as above.
Run the tool. If it tries to install updates and it gets stuck, then things were not done correctly. Close the update window (using Task Manager if neccessary) and follow the directions more closely.
It should now start installing.
Went to fire up my Windows 10 VM today. It was a technical preview which allows me to upgrade to a full Windows 10 Pro version, but I am locked out. First it said it was outdated, Then it quite updating altogether.
Now it says a component expired and I need to hit F8 for recovery except nothing happens with F8.
A tad frustrating.