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Trump Calls For Russia To Cyber-Invade the United States To Find Clinton's 'Missing' Emails (gawker.com)
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump publicly called on the Russian hackers allegedly responsible for the recent leak of DNC emails to launch another cyber-attack on the United States, this time to hack emails from Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of State, according to reporters who attended the press conference Wednesday. (Alternate source: NYTimes, Quartz, and MotherJones) "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing," Trump said. "I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press."
Clinton came under investigation for her use of a personal email address while serving as secretary of state. After turning over to the FBI all correspondence about government business during her years in the State Department, Clinton revealed at a press conference last year that she had deleted about half of her emails that pertained to personal matters, like her daughter's wedding. Attorney General Loretta Lynch ultimately decided not to pursue criminal charges against Clinton. Update: Here's a video of Trump saying that.
Clinton came under investigation for her use of a personal email address while serving as secretary of state. After turning over to the FBI all correspondence about government business during her years in the State Department, Clinton revealed at a press conference last year that she had deleted about half of her emails that pertained to personal matters, like her daughter's wedding. Attorney General Loretta Lynch ultimately decided not to pursue criminal charges against Clinton. Update: Here's a video of Trump saying that.
It's getting better all the time.
(It can't get no worse)
Frist?
should hacked also to obtain trump irs statements
Headline doesn't match the quote.
decent PR move, lol
should he actually win however, I think the IC is goig to be trying to put kid gloves on him for good reason. Man's MADE of leaks
Drumpf has run most of his campaign by going from one conspiracy to another. He's convinced that there is something astronomically nefarious in those missing emails, and he knows from all the people shouting for Hillary's lynching at the GOP convention that this is a really popular conspiracy with this supporters. The complete and total absence of factual support for this conspiracy is of no consequence to him.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
It sure would be fun.
Asking foreing nations to attack US... what a douche
How else are we going to find out what people in our government are doing? Wait for the press to tell us?
If you want the press to uncover -- instead of helping cover up -- what the government is doing, you should support Trump for President. The press will actually investigate and report on a Trump Administration.
It's called "news". It's this thing where someone tells everybody facts about events that are occurring.
What's low about this is that the primary source they cite is Gawker.
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I am not in any way a Trump supporter but is it not more likely that he was making a joke trying to tie the DNC email issue with the Clinton personal email server issue?
The hero we both need and deserve.
It's far more likely that the DNC hack was done by some Bernie supporters. They've known for a long time that the DNC was trying to screw Bernie and they needed the proof.
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Don't shoot the messenger. Trump might be an incompetent maniac, that much isnt news. Him calling out for a vaguelly hostile foreign power to break into the communications of what was at the time of the mails, the highest level diplomatic and security agent in the country, is malevolent, dangerous and definately news
Excuse the Unicode crap in my posts. That's an apostrophe, and slashdot is busted.
You do realize that the Secretary of State (the office of which these emails would pertain to) would have lots of things to hide for national security reasons, right? That's kind of a big reason we have a classification system for government documents.
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Seriously, does this power-crazed pig have to be elected before we can IMPEACH him?
Last I checked, treason was still a thing.
Yup, he's certainly based alright.
You mean Hillary? Because Trump, despite all the mud being thrown this way, has done very little concrete evil in comparison.
"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing" probably refers to the data they have already stolen, after all the Clintons (or their team) did a good enough job of deleting them that the FBI couldnt find them.
So, Trump is speculating (hoping?) that Russia hacked and exfiltrated the emails before that happened. Hes not asking for a new hack, just appealing to known criminals to continue to use the fruits of their crimes to continue to impinge the Clinton presidential campaign. Nothing to see here, Trump has been and always will be a bully eager to use any means necessary to win.
But nothing she sent on that server was classified, right?
I mean, classified at the time, riight?
I mean, marked classified at the time, riiight?!?!?
So you don't think the Republican candidate for the Presidency of the US inviting a foreign power, one that is at the best of times in a rather tense relationship with the United States, to hack into US systems just to gain dirt on the other party's nominee is reasonable?
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Are you talking about Hillary? I agree.
This is just Trump using his standard campaign tactic, if your opponent is getting a good media cycle (ie the DNC generating good speeches and endorsements) then say something crazy and outrageous to take all the media attention.
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This isn't Google, which has removed Trump from its search of "Candidate for the us presidency"
I don't know; he's better than people who start their comments in the subject line...
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Not true. I see him in almost every result for that search
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We won't know that until we find all her emails.
Are you new here? There have been a lot of stories about Hillary Clinton on Slashdot.
Sounds like a form of Treason if true. Inviting a foreign nation tho cyber-attack America and/or Americans... can;t believe people actually are willing to vote for this piece of garbage
If the federal judges who have asked her to hand them over can't get Hillary to do it, and the Russians are willing to do it for free ...
C'mon Anonymous, C'mon Putin, get us those Trump IRS returns and show the world that TRUMP is all smoke and mirrors
It was not only obviously a joke, but he suggested the hack could also be China or some other private hacker.
He also said that Russia and China have no respect for the United States.
Finally, fuck any link to Gawker. Slashdot deserves much better than this, even if such a ridiculous leading headline will falsely stoke the Hillary supporters without any further context. I mean, what's next? "Hillary shit herself regularly..." (...at one year old)?
The GOP needs to remove Trump as candidate for POTUS; he just demonstrated that he's in no way, shape, or form suitable to be POTUS, he in fact is a TRAITOR to this country, inviting foreign powers to cyber-attack us -- or at the very, very least, inviting foreign CRIMINALS to cyber-attack a major U.S. political party. This is not the mindset or behavior of someone who is qualified or suited to be President of the United States, or of any other country! Even the most rabid, least intelligent Trump supporters have to come to a Full Stop on this one, he is inviting Russians to come screw with our political system!
What's next, Trump? You going to say you'll mandate learning to speak, read, and write Mandarin in public schools?
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
How is what Hillary did so much different from Edward Snowden? Look how he was persecuted for releasing information with good intent.
According to most reports, the way I interpret Hillary's actions is that she intentionally and deliberately violated any and all government clearance levels and vows to protect government information.
imho she should be in jail, not still roaming the streets, and certainly not EVER trusted with national secrets ever again.
he could've just as easily meant them searching through what they've already taken off her personal 'email address'
Yes. Not content to jump the shark, The Donald (otherwise known as the Insane Clown and his Posse) now insists on being jumped by a shark instead, because, in Soviet Russia, shark jumps you.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
The email server is gone. If they ALREADY hacked it, they should release the emails. What's wrong with this?
Firstly, anybody that could have wanted those emails already has them.
Secondly "Cybercrime"... is no crime at all if no one is harmed and the information that is put in the hands of those that should have had it to begin with. I mean who would the victim be!? If anyone was ever going to have harm come to them from those emails... it's already happened, the guilty party is Hillary for breaking federal law regarding the security of government communications.. not to mention basic common sense security measures.
Whatever one's political creed, and irregardless of what one may think of Clinton and/or the Democrats, Trump's calling on an enemy of the United States to break into the official correspondence of the Secretary of State is an act of treason. He should be brought up on charges. Trump himself is an enemy of the state he feigns allegiance to.
I can't decide who's stupider: A leftist on here thinking that Trump was serious when he said that or a leftist on here thinking that Hillary was serious when she said she was opposed to TPP (or is she for it again? I can't keep up with her).
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It was pretty clear from watching the news conference that he was joking about this, to making a point. You only make yourselves look foolish by pushing a weak narrative that it was a sincere public request for Russia to attack us.
Ok, so exposing corruption at the highest levels is malevolent and dangerous... sure....
Newsworthy I'll grant you that one.
Correction: Clinton violated our national security, Trump is asking the hackers who broke into the DNC to find those deleted emails.
When New York Times published illegally-obtained materials embarrassing a Republican, they got a Pulitzer Prize — because "the people deserve to know" all there is to know about their leaders.
Putin — or whoever really is behind the DNC leaks — certainly deserves a similar reward, does he not?
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break US law by uttering such a statement ?
Religous speak to God. Insane are spoken to by God. When all shut up, one can finally hear Shostakovich in peace
That's high treason. He should be shot for that.
Is it just me, or does this smack of the same kind of childish lack of understanding of issues, brash posturing of someone who's never been in a fight, and willingness to make totally irresponsible statements that George W. Bush displayed, when he called on terrorists and insurgent groups to "Bring it on!" when trying to tout the prowess of our US military?
"I call on England to spy on our citizens and see what you come up with. I think the NSA will reward you for your efforts" - Last two Presidents
An NBC reporter tried to press him for details about his statements during this press conference, and was told to "be quiet" when she tried to catch him dodging the question. The response from Trump supporters? She was "rude," referring to her as part of the "bully media," and that she was "yakking on." He's taken time out to call a reporter "sleaze." When a reporter pressed him on not following through with his promise to donate to vets he responded by calling the reporter "a nasty guy." Or remember Jorge Ramos? Trump told him to "sit down" and ejected him from a press conference.
Trump's supporters eat this up and heap praise upon him for "standing up to the media." As President that wouldn't change, and I'm sure he'd have press credentials revoked on a regular basis.
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What he's really asking is if Russia would be so kind as to pull a copy from their backups.
I know reading is difficult for you, but you'll learn one day if you try...
They all go into the absurd pile.
Fortunately, thanks to America's system of checks and balances, the presidency does have the authority/power to dictate/implement almost anything that Trump states. He literally couldn't if he actually wanted to. But I think he knows this and is just pandering to idiots, telling them what they want to hear.
Hillary does the same thing, but she isn't nearly as blatant.
Trump's bombastic absurdity is just what we need to keep our adversaries on their toes and in check. Of course, there is a not insignificant risk of war that goes along with that.
They told us it was ridiculous to worry about Russia when Romney warned us about them.
Are you being ridiculous? What's today's official groupthink? Are we at war with Eastasia?
Sending more jobs overseas? Sounds like Trump all right...
So what Mr. Trump is essentially saying is that he's more naturally a friend and ally of Russians than of his political opposition?
It is VERY sick and VERY telling that Mr. Trump thinks of his own countrymen as "the enemy" and is willing to call in his foreign friends to attack them for his political gain.
Some patriot!
Phew, what a relief. When I saw your long reply I was afraid you had a coherent argument against my position - until I actually read what you wrote. Now I know you're just a mindless Demoncrap propaganda-programmed zombie.
what rubbish : an "invitation"?
So? Do you want an independent press or don't you?
First of all, the situation in Russia has changed over the past 4 years. Russia has gotten worse.
But that's irrelevant. There is a huge difference between not worrying about Russia and inviting them to attack us. If you can't tell the difference, then you are a fool.
I don't have to worry about my neighbor, but I am not going to dare them to break into my house and check my daughter's diary.
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Correction: Clinton violated our national security,
So did Dick Cheney when he outed an undercover CIA agent for political payback. I don't see you whining about that breach of national security.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
arn't both Trump and Clinton the "basest, vilest" person ever nomited. So pick the one you find least so!
Its obviously a joke. After all, Hillary said she deleted those emails so how could Russia hack them? Unless, of course, Hillary was lying (again).
Russian leadership is exactly the same now as it was in 2012 when it was ridiculous to worry about them.
So you're saying that Russia should have all the emails sent and received by the Secretary of State?
Unless there are certain other parties out there that don't have access to those emails, but would gain access to them by the Russians releasing them publicly. Trump has said "the press" would reward them "mightily" for releasing the emails, how else would "the press" reward Putin if it didn't mean they had unfettered access to them so they could parse it themselves?
Which is a poor deflection of the point at hand. If I forget to lock my car and you come in the middle of the night and hotwire it and steal it, are you not still guilty of grand theft auto? Does my negligence absolve you of your criminal activity?
Rawr
The Trump campaign called for Hillary to be executed for mishandling email. So what should be Trump's punishment for working with the autocratic Russian government for his own personal political gain? What should your punishment be for helping him? I'm just asking questions.
Valarie Plame was not a "undercover" agent. And Dick Cheney didn't out her, it was a well known secret.
The ONLY people offended by her "outing" were people who hate Cheney. Hate him all you want, just don't do it for this, it is a non-issue. I also find it simply amazing that this is a huge deal to certain people, while at the same time, those same people are voting Clinton, who has done much much worse.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
yeah, Hillary is pretty bad.
Can they remove Trump? I mean, under their own bylaws aren't they kind of stuck with him?
Rawr
The deleted emails were supposedly personal stuff, so unless she was lying then there wouldn't be any national secrets in them... If there are then she purjered herself and should go to jail.
Trump invites Arabs to fly airplanes into the Wells Fargo Convention Center on Thursday night!
That'll show 'em!
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
Yup. Let us find a candidate running for president who has most likely committed treason.
Trump is the obvious answer. Right?
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
I think the case claiming that was dismissed. And, that Richard Armitage was determined to be the source of the leak.
Your smokescreen of Dick Chaney is not relevant to the issue of who has the 30K missing emails and the redacted, confidential information in the known Clinton emails.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Um, they already have all her emails, including the ones she deleted. That was part of he big FBI investigation. Remember when Datto handed over the trove of information to the FBI?
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That was Richard Armitage you retarded cuck.
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But you'll still have to call him Mister President.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Called it. Trump is a Russian sleeper agent and "Republican anti-Clinton derangement syndrome" makes the entire party this century's useful idiots.
This site has really gone downhill.
How is this working with? It's challenging them. The fact that those e-mails even exist should be the bigger story.
As if that would make people suddenly forget about him anyway.
Trump didn't invite a cyber-invasion of the US, he invited them to find Hillary Clinton's deleted personal messages...
Please don't mis your narritives. Those are either property of the US or they're private. Pick one.
As if those hackers' decision on whether or not to attack is affected — even in the slightest — by such an invitation or absence thereof...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
What does Clinton hae to do with Trump inviting Russia to commit potential acts of war on the United States?
Which one, Clinton or Trump? Or do you mean both?
You say that like she could predict with 100% accuracy everything that could ever be desired to be classified at any time in the future by any other government agency in existence.
Say she's got some schedule of some Iranian government official's visit to the United States, and three years later that government official is implicated in funding of a terrorist group in the United States. The schedule says he was supposed to be at a meeting at a certain time on a certain day, but official records showed he never showed up, and all information available says he was in the right area at the right time to make his connection with the terrorist group. All of a sudden that schedule becomes classified, because we don't want the Iranians to know what we know, so all documents pertaining to this government official and their time in the United States is retroactively classified. Crazy, right?
Rawr
Bernie or bust!
Oh, I thought you talking about Gawker with that subject... pfft. No one cares about Trump, his only shot of winning is if the people that can't stand Hillary vote for him.
That was Richard Armitage you retarded cuck.
Except Cheney beat him then held a knife to his throat and threatened to kill him if he didn't lie and spew the lie that he outed the spy. Armitage had no choice but to bow to the will of the VP. He had to do it. He was beaten. We all know the truth after Armitage broke down crying and then described the beating he took.
OH c'mob, lighten up Francis....
He's only saying something that MANY folks have been jokingly been saying since they first released the DNC emails....
I've heard numerous folks joking and saying "well, hell, if the US govt can't find the missing emails, maybe these Russian chaps can...."
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
If not yet, when?
It sounds like the subtext here is that "Hillary claims to have lost them, then maybe the Russians can find them." Seems like more of a poke at Hillary and the administration than a truly-meant invitation to cybercrime.
But when Trump talks, you never know what to expect or what it means, if anything.
"Calls for cyber invasion?" Really editors? This is the kind of hyperbole we used to make fun of trash sited for.
This kind of egregious propaganda is beneath this website. Stop insulting the intelligence of your audience and give up on this click baiting crap.
All you're doing is driving more cynical geeks over to Trump
Well, she did wipe the server with windex.
Hillary claimed there were no classified emails on that personal server. Are you saying she lied?
Sounds like a form of Treason if true.
No, it sounds like a fairly typical Trump sarcastic joke/jab.
Trump: "Oh yeah, let's just support the terrorists by pretending they don't exist."
Headline on CNN 20 minutes later: "Trump Supports Ignoring Terrorism"
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Do you mean like having secret government emails on a home server?
That's not treason.
Like knowingly allowing soldiers and an Ambassador to die in Benghazi and then blaming it all on a Youtube video?
That also is not treason.
Treason is the only crime defined in the Constitution. You strike me as the kind of person who gives a shit about the Constitution, did you skip the part where it defines treason or did you just not understand it? James Madison even spelled out why they defined treason - to stop partisan idiots from accusing each other of treason when it was never committed.
As treason may be committed against the United States the authority of the United States ought to be enabled to punish it: but as new tangled and artificial treasons have been the great engines by which violent factions, the natural offspring of free governments, have usually wreaked their alternate malignity on each other, the Convention has with great judgment opposed a barrier to this peculiar danger by inserting a Constitutional definition of the crime.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Totally seems like a joke, tongue in cheek type of thing. "Oh the Russians can friggen find them I bet!"
He's also said he wants to change libel laws so that he can sue reporters who say bad things about him - even if those things are true. So if President Trump would have his way, press reporting on him negatively could first get their credentials revoked and then wind up being sued into oblivion. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if, after the election if he wins it, he declares that criticizing the President was grounds to be tried for treason.
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That was Richard Armitage you retarded cuck.
Except Cheney beat him then held a knife to his throat and threatened to kill him if he didn't lie and spew the lie that he outed the spy. Armitage had no choice but to bow to the will of the VP. He had to do it. He was beaten. We all know the truth after Armitage broke down crying and then described the beating he took.
Armitage the powerlifter that used to bench 440 pounds? And, by Cheney that had his first of five heart attacks in 1978? Liberals are delusional.
to be fair, both parties are manifestly demoncrap.
I'm guessing most of our largest enemies and likely many of our allies...DO HAVE copies of her emails from her "private server".
I've heard many of the Three Letter Agency types and experts saying that any intelligence agency worth their weight, had gotten into that server and gotten any info they wanted.
I personally have little to no doubt that Russia and many other foreign governments have Hillary's emails on that server in their files.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Sounds like a form of Treason if true. Inviting a foreign nation tho cyber-attack America and/or Americans... can;t believe people actually are willing to vote for this piece of garbage
US Constitution, Article III, Section 3: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."
If you thing saying, "Russia, I hope you find the missing emails" is to treason, you probably think saying, "I hope this person dies" is murder.
You just made the case that Hillary Clinton exposed National Security with her private email server, and isn't qualified to be president.
Because the "classification system" we have for government was subverted by Hillary, meaning SHE did exactly what you're accusing Trump of doing.
Vote Gary Johnson, and be done with the Clintrump criminals.
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If Trump won't release his taxes, maybe Russia will hack the IRS and deliver us his tax returns. Oh, wait, they're on his side so they'll simply use them for blackmailing him. Sounds like a great way to make America great again to me.
But this is a major party nominee calling for another country to commit cybercrime and violate our national security for his own political gain. That's kind of big news.
You mean, a politician calling for exposure of a criminal's crimes and illegally destroyed evidence, even though said criminal is a rich and well-connected elite. That's kind of big news, indeed.
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
He was making a f---ing joke. He has brushed off the notion that Russia was doing the hacking in the first place. He made the comment at a press conference intending to ridicule the concept, not via a semi-secret text message to Vladimir Putin.
I'm no Trumpist, I mean, I'm going to vote for Hillary Clinton in November and you have NO IDEA how little I want to do that, but I'm in Florida, so my vote may make a difference between Trump or Clinton, and Trump really is THAT BAD. But, in this one instance, the collective left and political establishment has lost their minds, and apparently their sense of humor.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
The GOP presidential candidate is encouraging a hostile foreign power to intrude into US government data systems in the hopes of revealing evidence Clinton may have acted contrary to the interests of the United States. Have I got this right?
That's right! And nothing, I mean, nothing has happened since 2012 to change that! Russia didn't invade Ukraine prompting what some call a new cold war. Russia hasn't threatened the US over Syria. None of those things happened. NONE!
You also realize that as Secretary of State, she may have been the ultimate arbiter of whether something should be or needs to be hidden? (Oh, not ultimate, I guess her boss, the President, might have something to say about it... but strangely he's silent.) Why does it make any sense to micromanage the email messages of someone that could get, say, 10% of our oil imports cut instantaneously with one well-aimed loogie and a middle finger? I'd boost that to 33% if only I thought Canadians would be as likely to take offense as the Saudis.
The reason we have a classification system is to restrain the worker bees, not to restrain capital-O Officers of the United States. Certainly not through mere legislation rather than Constitutional imperatives. Foreign relations is the pinnacle of Executive power. Or are you saying that somehow the Secretary of State can't divulge anything classified to allied foreign leaders? Or that Congress would have to approve it? Defies imagination.
It's not independent when you shut out those you don't like while spoon feeding those you do. But you're a Republican so I guess it is to you.
Cheney is well known for beating people almost to death. He studied torture techniques under Nazi doctors that we enslaved and made work for NASA.
So all the classified stuff in her e-mail was stuff that was retroactively classified? Citation?
What makes you so sure I didn't?
now I could become Dictator or anything else that might please me—but nothing of that kind would please me—therefore I won't be Dictator. Admirable self-denial!
If you're going to say that he is the "vilest person ever" at least look back at the history, otherwise you're just a reactionary, bloviating fool.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
This is why a person holding the office of Secretary of State should always use an e-mail server protected at a classified level for any official business. You never know what seemingly trivial information sent or received could be a security risk if disclosed. Perhaps Hillary's favorite LOL cat videos pose a risk to some secret CAT Intelligence Agent...
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Speaking of press conferences, Hillary hasn't had a press conference the entire year of 2016.
Vote Gary Johnson, and be done with the Clintrump criminals.
lol. no.
pretty much, yet the left and the media will run with it because somehow they cant find any real dirt
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Except that at that level, if your joke starts with 'If the Russians are listening...' it's not funny anymore. It's dangerous.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
it was a well known secret.
That's a weird definition of "secret".
Anyway, a relevant part of the description about what happened with Valerie Plame. I've bolded the part that is pertinent to this discussion.
A week after Wilson's op-ed was published, Novak published a column which mentioned claims from "two senior administration officials" that Plame had been the one to suggest sending her husband. Novak had learned of Plame's employment, which was classified information, from State Department official Richard Armitage. David Corn and others suggested that Armitage and other officials had leaked the information as political retribution for Wilson's article.
The ONLY people offended by her "outing" were people who hate Cheney.
The only people who were offended that a journalist was given classified information were people who already hated Cheney, got it. How about the people "offended" at Hillary's handling of classified information? Am I allowed to be "offended" at that even if I didn't already hate Hillary Clinton, or are the only people who care about that issue people who already hated her?
Hate him all you want, just don't do it for this, it is a non-issue.
Giving classified information to a reporter is a non-issue. Well, then giving classified information to another nation would also be a non-issue, right? I mean, if the reporter publishes that classified information then it's not like the distribution of it can be controlled, it's going to get to any country that cares to pay attention, right? So if Hillary left her email server wide open, for example, and another nation went in and got that information, it's really a non-issue because that's essentially the same thing as officials in the presidential administration just giving the classified information to a journalist and encouraging them to publish it. In other words, it's a non-issue.
I also find it simply amazing that this is a huge deal to certain people, while at the same time, those same people are voting Clinton, who has done much much worse.
You really find it amazing that partisan idiots would find one person's disclosure of classified information to be a big deal, but then claim that another person's disclosure of classified information is a non-issue? That seriously amazes you? Have you looked in a mirror?
What about those of us who think that what Clinton and Cheney each did are both a big deal? Are you amazed at us also?
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
If you have heard numerous folks using the word "chaps" then you weren't in the US.
What's low about this is that the primary source they cite is Gawker.
Better?
Your hyperbole is way out this or any side of reality!
Get a grip or just unplug the server and chill for a few.
Ha
sorry? I couldnt hear though all the yelling
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Yup. Let us find a candidate running for president who has most likely committed treason. Trump is the obvious answer. Right?
Welcome to Bizarro World, where the person who makes a joke about Russia hacking emails is a traitor, and a person who takes a bribe to supply uranium to Russia is a hero.
Are you saying all those people owe Romney and the American people a sincere apology?
Well, some could interpret "levying war against them" as inciting a foreign nation to start a cyber war to undermine the democratic process.
But maybe that's too literal...or maybe Presidents & presidential candidates shouldn't go anywhere near a joke like that.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
Release the 30K emails they already hacked... - Correct interpretation
Firstly, anybody that could have wanted those emails already has them.
Secondly "Cybercrime"... is no crime at all if no one is harmed and the information that is put in the hands of those that should have had it to begin with. I mean who would the victim be!? If anyone was ever going to have harm come to them from those emails... it's already happened, the guilty party is Hillary for breaking federal law regarding the security of government communications.. not to mention basic common sense security measures.
Well, maybe we can start with the people who had their names, addresses, social security numbers, and credit card numbers inadvertently released. Maybe they are "collateral damage?"
I find it humorous and a little bizarre that in many people's minds the DNC emails and the emails on Hillary Clinton's private server seem to be one and the same.
U mad? Yes. U Mad.
Apparently /. editors have forgotten that Gawker got its ass handed to itself in court for horrible journalistic practices (Hogan vs Gawker Media.)
Quit giving that fucking site traffic and let it DIE.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Like knowingly allowing soldiers and an Ambassador to die in Benghazi and then blaming it all on a Youtube video?
That also is not treason.
Not only is it not treason, it didn't happen.
At some point addressing the 'treason' argument gives a pass to the basic distortion of the facts behind the argument. Nobody 'allowed' soldiers and an Ambassador to die. Some pretty extensive security arrangements proved to be not secure enough. Nobody's best moment, but a far cry from 'allowing' people to die. And going on talk shows and saying "at this point, we think this happened as part of a protest over a YouTube video" is also a far cry from "blaming it all on a YouTube video". It's more "we don't have all the facts yet - there are rumors that we're looking into". All I can say is the OP statement about treason is way more of a blatant lie than "I didn't send emails marked classified" - which turned out to be pretty much true (in an 'exception that proves the rule' kind of way). But why let the nuanced facts get in the way of a stupid political diatribe...
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Cheney loves his knives. Bush Junior was so shellahocked that by the end of his rule of the US, he couldn't even use a butter knife.
If you're concerned with real treason then you can't vote for Clinton.
Yes just like good authors always start the first sentence of their novel with the title of said book.
Or newspaper articles that start their article in the title.
Or webpages that expect you to read the URL before you can understand what the author is saying in the first paragraph.
Yes your writing style leaves nothing to be desired.
He does have a point.
About the ONLY way we will ever recover those emails that Hillary and her team decided to wipe from her server is if some hacker type managed to infiltrate her server while they still existed and archived them. ( Russian, Chinese, American, who cares where they live )
At this point it's obvious that justice is right out of the question considering both the FBI and the Attorney General have decided to ignore the fact that Her Highness handled classified material in a negligent manner. ( Yes it's a crime. No you don't need to have intent. Folks are in jail today for doing the exact same thing. )
So in the absence of any sort of real justice ( which just doesn't happen if your last name is Clinton ) we have to resort to methods that will probably be frowned upon by those who pretend to be Champions of Justice. Seriously, when the rich and powerful OWN the whole system, relying upon our "justice" system is laughable.
Can you imagine the fallout if some hacker actually DID decide to post the entire archive ? How f*cking sad is it that we have to hope for such a thing if we're ever to learn the full truth about what Hillary decided she didn't want part of official records ?
It would make for the greatest election drama in the history of our nation :D
Clinton Cash - Official Movie Premiere
Valarie Plame was not a "undercover" agent. And Dick Cheney didn't out her, it was a well known secret.
The ONLY people offended by her "outing" were people who hate Cheney. Hate him all you want, just don't do it for this, it is a non-issue. I also find it simply amazing that this is a huge deal to certain people, while at the same time, those same people are voting Clinton, who has done much much worse.
"a well known secret"?
The Intelligence Identities Protection Act provides criminal penalties for the intentional,
unauthorized disclosure of information identifying a covert agent.
Regardless of whether or not you believe it is a "well known secret".
Now, what was that about it being a "non-issue"? And, please enlighten us as to what deliberate actions Clinton has actually taken that are "much, much worse".
No one at the FBI or the DOJ is going to investigate that and they claim that no recording was kept of her interview with FBI.
Except that Hillary is the one being given a free pass. She's quick to shift the focus of her own wrongdoings with the email server and DNC hacks to Trump (based on NO evidence) to distract from the DNC and her own evils.
AND - she makes it look as if Trump is in collusion with Russia, when in fact she is the only person who illegally worked with Russia and took bribes. I'll copy and past a comment from an AC poster from another article here:
Story [http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html] about how she received bribes for allowing Russia to buy 20% of the USA uranium production. She clearly stated how she wouldn't take foreign donations to her foundation while at state, would ask for a waiver to do it if it came up, and would disclose if it happened. She took the bribe, didn't ask for a waiver, didn't disclose it, and failed to report it on her taxes and had to amend them years later after she was caught. She showed "Intent" in hiding the donations because they were bribes. This isn't even questionable campaign donations, this is direct bribes to her for approving something the State Department wouldn't normally even consider.
I'm not sure why people bring up her email scandal. As bad as it was, it wasn't taking bribes from Russia for State Department favours while she was in charge.
How is she even possibly considered for the DNC nomination after this came out?
So you're equally in favor of removing Clinton due to her treason?
Thanks for playing.
Beyond the typical "Citation needed" claim, you are aware that the president doesn't have the power to change laws, right?
Personally I'm still hoping he steps into his fridge and we drop a nuke on it.
Can someone please tell me which one of these candidates is the lesser evil?
Russia's proclivities towards us has no bearing on what Trump suggested they should do.
Well if she had used the State Dept unclassified email server instead of her private email server for classified email we can be pretty sure that the Russians would have had her unclassified emails. Its known clearly that the Russians have owned State Dept and White House unclassified systems.
So while the use of a private server was poor judgment, the resulting impact to national security compared to the alternative is minor if not zero.
And for the morons ranting about classified emails, they weren't supposed to be on the unclassified system whether it was State or Clinton private server. But that shit happens. People make mistakes and sent her stuff they shouldn't have. Maybe it was slightly more likely to be released if it leaked onto her private server instead of the state dept unclassified server but since we know the state unclassified system was owned by the Russians that's a hard case to make.
You mean Hillary? Because Trump, despite all the mud being thrown this way, has done very little concrete evil in comparison.
Oh, I think Trump has done his share of evil. Let's put it this way: I wouldn't trust him with my money, much less my country:
http://www.theatlantic.com/pol...
“They probably have them. I’d like to have them released. It gives me no pause, if they have them, they have them,” Trump added later when asked if his comments were inappropriate. “If Russia or China or any other country has those emails, I mean, to be honest with you, I’d love to see them.”
- Wash Post.
The real estate mogul sought to distance himself from allegations that the Russian government hacked into the Democratic National Committee to benefit his campaign, which Clinton’s campaign manager suggested earlier this week.
“It is so farfetched. It’s so ridiculous. Honestly, I wish I had that power. I’d love to have that power, but Russia has no respect for our country,” Trump said.
I'd say Trump was at least half-serious. He said in no uncertain terms that he'd have no problem if Russia stepped in to do some dirty work on his behalf.
Of course, if the Russians actually deliver, Trump would owe Putin a favor. Ukraine, maybe? Disband NATO?
Dumb not-so-funny, off-the-cuff comments may be fine in reality TV, but they have consequences in international politics. An ex-KGB like Putin could make a predictable narcissist like Trump dance on a string. I'm talkin Godfather II, waking up next to a dead prostitute.
Take it easy, Charlie, I've got an Angle...
You are probably be aware that any hacking of HRC's personal State Dept. server would have had to be done before the deleted emails were deleted and the server taken offline. So at worst (making the probably incorrect assumption that Trump was serious), he was "asking" them to search through the data they had already snagged.
If the US government fails to care about blatant disregard of law because...it's a Clinton and she's a Democrat...then perhaps it's legitimate to appeal to other state-level actors to help throw aside the veil of secrecy?
At what point are the people of the US entitled to recognize that their government directly serves the interests of a small coterie of oligarchs, and try to work around it?
Again, let's recall:
"I don't have a private email server"
"It was only private and family correspondence"
"Well nothing secret went on that server"
"Nothing I knew was secret was on that server"
"Nothing ACTUALLY MARKED SECRET was on that server"
and then, after at least a week of denials, a carefully vetted pile of emails was 'given' to the FBI/DOJ and there were STILL secret things found in the correspondence.
And yet, the response from half the electorate and most of the major news organizations is "What me worry?" and "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy*"
*now including Red Scare 2016(tm)
-Styopa
Yes, because 2012 marked a dramatic change in Russian behavior with it's neighbours! NOBODY saw the Russian aggression coming post 2012, not even Georgia!
This is why a person holding the office of Secretary of State should always use an e-mail server protected at a classified level for any official business. You never know what seemingly trivial information sent or received could be a security risk if disclosed. Perhaps Hillary's favorite LOL cat videos pose a risk to some secret CAT Intelligence Agent...
You do realize, that the State server she didn't use, but could have, was not for classified information? So, if these same emails had gone over that server, the problem of "classified documents over and unclassified channel" would still exist. And nobody has yet explained how the recipient of a classified email could have prevented it from being sent.
What it is is Birtherism 2.0. It has nothing to do with the Russians or treason or anything else remotely relevant. It's just another way to slip the sinister "missing emails" meme into the discussion. We all end up arguing about the inflammatory tone and whether it's a joke or not, but the basic message communicated (for which there's no evidence whatsoever) is "of course, Hillary was hiding nefarious stuff that was in deleted emails that she 'just claims' were personal. It doesn't matter that there wasn't likely anything earth-shattering there. It didn't matter that Obama was born in Hawaii. He's just feeding the fire of conspiracy theorists that are just looking for something to justify their gut hatred - of Obama back then, and of Hillary now.
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I'm pretty sure Russia (a nation ran by perfect gentlemen), will only hack when requested to do so... after all we live in a civilized age right?
Trump knows darn well Russia OWNED that server, the damage is done, he was not the one who screwed our nations security by standing up that server, or the one that used it.
His statement is for shock factor and is merely drawing attention to the fact that Hilary has still gotten away with this whole thing. It seems we must call upon our "enemies" to expose the dirty laundry of the "untouchable".
What if by exposing those emails, we discover that Hillary has in fact crossed so many lines, that there is no doubt that allowing her to be president would make hacking our governments email seem like posting a secret family chocolate chip recipe in comparison.
What's low about this is that the primary source they cite is Gawker.
Trump blasts Obama, hopes Russia can find 'missing' Clinton emails
The many problems with Donald Trump's call for Russia to spy on Hillary Clinton
Trump Says He Hopes Russia Can Access Clinton's Emails
Trump Asks Russia to find Clinton's missing emails in Doral [Florida] Appearance
"By the way, they hacked -- they probably have her 33,000 e-mails. I hope they do. They probably have her 33,000 e-mails that she lost and deleted because you'd see some beauties there. So let's see."
So he's encouraging them to go back in time to hack her server? Ridiculous.
For anyone that actually cares about the truth, full transcript is here: https://www.washingtonpost.com...
Wrong. They recovered some of her emails, but not all of them. Some of the emails they were able to recover from the official state.gov servers, but an unknown quantity of emails were never recovered. To quote from Comey himself:
It is also likely that there are other work-related e-mails that they did not produce to State and that we did not find elsewhere, and that are now gone because they deleted all e-mails they did not return to State, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery.
The bottom line is that we'll never know just how bad Clinton's handling of email was, unless someone (like Russia) comes forward with the emails they copied off her insecure server during the time it was running.
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
You know he's mess'n with you, right?
So, like Britain were truth is no defense against libel.
Hillary's email server is probably still in FBI custody in pieces, so for Russia to hack it they would actually have to break into the FBI headquarters...
Everybody hacks everybody else. If you think they don't already have all of Clinton's completely unsecured correspondence, then you are a fool, and really shouldn't be allowed to vote.
On the contrary, how low can u go dummy. Especially considering Clinton is thr scumbag criminal. Trump, in spite if what ur opinion is of him, isnt a criminal.
The true skill of a con artist is that you begin to assume that anything he says 'is not what he means'
And NATO didn't provoke Russia by putting troops and missiles on their borders, no sir!
Those emails were sent to other servers. Most of which are still up. And many of which are government email servers.
Russia may or may not have copies of all of them. Trump didn't ask them to go through their records.
He's asking Russia to go find them today. Not a year ago.
No other conclusion to make, based on his words, that he's asking them to hack other mail servers. And that's a basic form of cyber war.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
I think you're confusing "a press will actually investigate and report on a Trump Administration" with "Trump will cooperate with the press and answer all their questions". There's a big difference in how the media handles news about Republicans versus how they handle news about Democrats. It's almost like the media works for the Democrats and against the Republicans.
I find it hilarious that more people are upset about the truth being uncovered about crooked hillary.
Let me guess, you got upset when Bernie sold out for a handful of shekels? Some revolution, business as usual
But this is a major party nominee calling for another country to commit cybercrime and violate our national security for his own political gain.
I'm not so sure that is what he is encouraging by suggesting that they "find the 30,000 missing E-mails"
If they DO manage to pull it off, then this would mean that someone in Russia probably already got them before Hillary destroyed the messages.
This could be equally a matter of "scrounging data" that was already leaked.
On the other hand, if hacking any system in the US COULD reveal those, then it will most likely reveal another more severe incident of lawbreaking than already occured.
Exposing information to the media is much less an offense than corrupt practices by officials and Willful non-compliance with court orders or public disclosure requirements, so it's a net positive if it happens: since it mitigates the damage from a more severe crime.
Trumpist! Don't blow the Trumpet!
...or maybe Presidents & presidential candidates shouldn't go anywhere near a joke like that.
What about referring to their bowling skills being on par with the special Olympics? Or threatening a drone strike to protect their daughter from a boy? Or chastising the police before knowing the facts?
While I agree with you, the last couple of presidents have said things that I find very inappropriate for that position. So it's certainly nothing new. At the rate we seem to be going, I think we'll be seeing president Camacho within the next couple of decades.
That's NATO's fucking job, to contain Russia, and Russia has demonstrated amply why it still needs to be contained.
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Distributing classified e-mail on an unsecured, unapproved open Internet server, in violation of Executive Order 13526 and 18 U.S.C Sec. 793(f). No one denies this now.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
This "event" is no more than Trump trying (and succeeding) to steal attention away from the Democratic Convention with a few outrageous words calculated to provoke a response. As usual, Trump plays on the press as on a stringed instrument. I fear that we will soon learn what it is to have a Level 99 Troll for a President.
Kinda like the US court that has actually _jailed_ Scooter Libby? And then Bush just pardoned him, in violation of his own clemency requirements.
Translation: I'm ignoring the idiocy of Trump's statement, and inventing a rationale that allows me to not feel like a contemptible moron for supporting the man.
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I guess he doesn't realize this could just as easily be used against him?
Sorry, none of those are anywhere near close to inviting foreign powers to invade domestic systems.
So, yes, that is new.
That doesn't mean that others haven't said inappropriate stuff, but this is a different level of inappropriate.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
Except the cyber attack would have already occurred. So either the Russians already have the info, or they would need to hack somebody else who has the info and I'm pretty sure at this point the FBI files aren't on a networked server. Sooo, not treason.
Sounds like a form of Treason if true. Inviting a foreign nation tho cyber-attack America and/or Americans
Not treason. Gaining unauthorized access to systems and leaking information to the press is Not an "Attack" or comforting an enemy. The state of Russia is not an enemy, and even if it were - Trump is probably addressing individuals, not the state --- and also merely speaking in favor of something happening is neither comfort nor aid, But it might be not presidential by traditional standards, and people may judge it as in incredibly poor taste.
An attack would be more like defeating gates and security, Trespassing on a company's boat being held by customs to pay Tea taxes due, And dumping the assets into Boston harbor.... And if some of those involved happened to not be locals....... now THAT would be a treasonous attack.
Yes yes yes. Whenever Trump says something so blindingly idiotic it always is handwaved away as a joke... Unless of course the audience eats it up. You know, like making Mexico pay for a big wall, something Trump has no power to do, but because it gets idiots like yourself to jump up and down like five year olds in a blow-up castle, well, yay Trump meant it!
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If Trump had a say he would have to be executed, by his own standards. Oh wait, Trump and standards?
Valarie Plame was not a "undercover" agent. And Dick Cheney didn't out her, it was a well known secret.
The ONLY people offended by her "outing" were people who hate Cheney. Hate him all you want, just don't do it for this, it is a non-issue. I also find it simply amazing that this is a huge deal to certain people, while at the same time, those same people are voting Clinton, who has done much much worse.
Clinton exposed classified information by accident, and through a channel she (wrongly) felt was secure.
Libby deliberately leaked classified information to the press as part of a political smear job.
There's a vast difference.
Now I don't know that Cheney had anything to do with it, he may have explicitly ordered it, he may have created a culture where it was expected, or he may have stopped the idea dead in its tracks if he'd only been told about it.
I stole this Sig
Russia invaded their own base in Crimea, which voted to join Russia after literal Neo-Nazis took over the government of Ukraine at the behest of the US and threatened to "genocide all Russian speakers with nuclear weapons."
Also "Fuck the EU."
Also also Hillary and her neocon cadre is responsible for creating ISIS (Benghazi was an op to get them weapons, our ambassador found out and paid with his life). We are now using them as our very own terrorist army. You really think we couldn't have wiped these clowns out? Russia very nearly did in a few weeks. The fact that they didn't was a message to us. "We are willing to work with you, but don't fuck with us."
The Trump campaign called for Hillary to be executed for mishandling email.
The Trump campaign could call for every Hillary supported to be shipped off to the moon if they wanted; that does not mean there's a snowball's chance in hell of that happening.
Just wishful thinking or mindless politico-babbling on their part to hopefully capitalize on the anger against Hillary to drive up their poll numbers.
It was Trump saying that if it was the Russians that hacked the DNC, then they could probably supply the emails Clinton deleted from her server before turning the rest over to the State Department. If you watch the the original material and you would see that no one would misunderstand and come to conclusion that was an invitation to hack. Gawker and the others purposely misunderstand it because it makes good click bait and it fits their narrative/confirmation bias.
The DNC leak emails show the Washington Post holding a fundraiser with the DNC that the lawyers said 'no' to and doing it on the sly.
How low? Some want Hillary to be president.
I don't understand why this isn't bigger news.
That's because he hasn't had any political power yet. Once he does, he will be way worse than Hillary.
You mean Hillary? Because Trump, despite all the mud being thrown this way, has done very little concrete evil in comparison.
Yeah, if you look past all the scams, lawsuits, lies about donating to charity, racist comments, racist acts, misogyny, donations for explicit political favours, mob connections, and rape allegations then he's practically a saint.
I stole this Sig
What is even funner is that it is probably true. I would give a 99% chance, per each lost message, that message still exists somewhere. If nowhere else, then in the Outbox / outgoing and Incoming mail mail archives Of every person who corresponded with Hillary over E-mail. Gain access to the e-mail archives of 100% of the people who corresponded with her, then you can probably recover 99% of the messages.
And if not: Probably 50/50 odds for each message that it is in the hands of the Russians, and if not them Iran, or some other countries' intelligence department, or some random independent cybercriminal in one of those countries......
Both major parties are unfixable at this point. Right leaning voters should vote for Gary Johnson (Libertarian Party) and left leaning voters for Jill Stein (Green Party). At the very least, we need to all demand that they be included in the debates.
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The blaming a Youtube video part happened pretty fucking definitely. The prior part was either criminally negligent unwillingness to deploy a rescue team in time to save an ambassador doing WH mandated arms deals under the table with AQ affiliated Syrian rebels, or complete and utter incompetence in not properly reinforcing the building and people there after any of the MULTIPLE requests Ambassador Stevens made for help given that 6 months prior the Brits pulled out of Benghazi EXPRESSLY because the security situation was complete shit. Either way, it demonstrates rather conclusively that Hillary shouldn't be in charge of a kindergarten, let alone the country.
where the person who makes a joke
I'll give you that trump may meet the definition of person but how do you know he is actually joking? Not counting insults is he even capable of joking? Quick aside, some podcast pointed out: has trump ever laughed on camera?
I thought the Pants-suit chick pushed a reset button.
Those emails were sent to other servers. Most of which are still up. And many of which are government email servers.
Russia may or may not have copies of all of them. Trump didn't ask them to go through their records. He's asking Russia to go find them today. Not a year ago.
No other conclusion to make, based on his words, that he's asking them to hack other mail servers. And that's a basic form of cyber war.
What he said was, "Hey Russia, I hope you can find ...." Where in there is he urging them to hack? Your "no other conclusion to make" is all in your head. Aside from that, if you believe Hillary they were all personal email. So by policy, none of them should have ended up on government servers. Right?
Totally seems like a joke, tongue in cheek type of thing. "Oh the Russians can friggen find them I bet!"
Except that the Russians exposed the DNC corruption scandal just a few days ago. The exposure was perfectly timed to deflate Hillary's "convention bounce". Asking them to repeat something that they just did, doesn't seem like a joke to me.
Maybe you should read that article you linked. It doesn't say what you think it does.
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"Trump is THAT bad."
Yes, Jews and niggers should never have been allowed into country clubs, and women should never be allowed to advance to the executive level in businesses, as Trump pioneered. Also, it's insane to work with a nuclear armed rival rather than threatening to invade them and prompt a global thermonuclear war that will wipe out the human race. Putin is literally the devil. Trump is literally the devil.
We must vote Hillary, who admires fellow Democrat and KKK Grand Wizard Strom Thurmond, and really looks up to the the anti-black eugenicist founder of Planned Parenthood, into power no matter how corrupt and destructive she is, because reasons. No other candidate can be considered.
Clinton, who has done much much worse.
For those curious to specifics, here is a handy list of all of Hillary's publicized transgressions:
http://www.marketwatch.com/sto...
None of us fucking care who stole the DNC emails. We're more interested in reading them.
I know it makes your voice shrill and squeaky to hear it, but nobody cares that your response is to redbait about 'the ruskies.' You're a pretty fucking loyal American, dude. Go back to 1958.
Yes, I was thinking that thought. You can't control what other people send to you, thus there is always the risk of spillage, but you would think that given the nature of the job tile, by default any official State Department email servers should be *protected* as if they were holding TS level data, as much as they can be residing on a network accredited at a lower classification level... of course this is no good if the before mentioned server is not used!
The most important thing is user training... even a lowly private in the army w/o a high school diploma is told, not to share anything that could compromise a unit over unsecured methods. It takes either a very special level of STUPID or a very high level of illegal to lead someone with her education and knowledge to do this. My vote is for illegal, she wants to keep her deeds hidden... plain and simple. No amount of security can fix the human element, but I know the government has a serious problem with security: lack of motivation (typical government employee) + lowest bidder earning contracts (poor quality products delivered) = untold problems. Seems like we are screwed on all sides.
Hold on, wait until Trump releases his tax returns before you make that blanket statement.
Trump, despite all the mud being thrown this way, has done very little concrete evil in comparison.
A $7.8 million contract for Trump Plaza was awarded to S&A Concrete, owned by Anthony "Fat Tony" Salerno. Trump World Tower was built with concrete from Quadrozzi Concrete Company, associated with the Lucchese crime family.
I'm no Trumpist, I mean, I'm going to vote for Hillary Clinton in November and you have NO IDEA how little I want to do that,
So the main job of the Trump campaign is to get you to, just for a few seconds, let go of your nose in early November. Got it.
A joke? How can you tell?
I encourage everyone to actually go watch the context of what he said. I'm a Gary voter BTW, if that matters.
You mean Hillary? Because Trump, despite all the mud being thrown this way, has done very little concrete evil in comparison.
Trump has never held an elective or appointive office in his entire life.
But there is damn little reason to believe that he is capable of playing by the rules or accepting responsibility for anything that goes wrong.
The legal actions provide clues to the leadership style the billionaire businessman would bring to bear as commander in chief. He sometimes responds to even small disputes with overwhelming legal force. He doesn't hesitate to deploy his wealth and legal firepower against adversaries with limited resources, such as homeowners. He sometimes refuses to pay real estate brokers, lawyers and other vendors.
As he campaigns, Trump often touts his skills as a negotiator. The analysis shows that lawsuits are one of his primary negotiating tools. He turns to litigation to distance himself from failing projects that relied on the Trump brand to secure investments. As USA TODAY previously reported, he also uses the legal system to haggle over his property tax bills. His companies have been involved in more than 100 tax disputes, and the New York State Department of Finance has obtained liens on Trump properties for unpaid tax bills at least three dozen times. Exclusive: Trump's 3,500 lawsuits unprecedented for a presidential nominee
Do you mean like having secret government emails on a home server?
That's not treason.
Very true, it is not treason. However, it is very illegal.
There's currently a press that will ignore or whitewash crimes that the Left and the Clintons have committed, while at the same time blowing anything Trump says out of proportion and calling him every name in the book. It's completely biased, and obviously paid for.
The main stream media is complicit in the corruption and cannot be trusted. And you're saying they deserve some respect?
I wouldn't want any of your "numerous folks" running for President either.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
So do you think the emails proving collusion between NBC and the Clinton campaign might give Trump justifiable cause to treat NBC reporters with less than deference?
It takes on a bigger sense of urgency when you realize the US's entire military (including it's nukes) will be deployable at that man's whim.
I call the news conference. He didn't call for them to cyber invade anyone. He said that blaming the DNC hack on Russia was ridiculous without concrete evidence. He did say that he would like Russia to hack and release the 30,000 emails of clintons that were "lost"
Totally seems like a joke, tongue in cheek type of thing. "Oh the Russians can friggen find them I bet!"
That's a standard defense of his "it was a joke", along with "don't listen to the media, they're biased!".
Let me first be very clear here - when the Clinton's are smiling with Trump at Trump's first wedding, I don't trust ANY of these bastards. NOT ONE. Trump and Clinton are statists with different agendas, but statists nonetheless. Madam Clinton is, despite her horrendous dishonesty, is a far more eloquent and disciplined speaker with far fewer gaffes.
That said, the headline implies that Trump approves of the hacking that Russia allegedly accomplished, when the obvious context from the video is that he doesn't approve of any of it and is talking sarcastically about Madam Clinton's 30k+ still-missing e-mails being recovered by Russia. This goes precisely and correctly to the point about the current executive branch's lackadaisical enforcement of security of the e-mail within established government structures where I or anyone else would be permanently disqualified from any secret clearance had I engaged in such egregiously negligent or wilful behavior. He implies as much only a few seconds later in his speech, and he is definitely not joking then, but using the hyperbole (i.e. "joke") as a vehicle to establish a critical point because he feels fed up with this nonsense. I really believe that this is serious to him as well because the same weapons that were used against his opponent can definitely be used against him at any time.
So please, don't put words in my mouth the way the Clinton-oriented press is doing to Trump here. That the message should have been delivered differently (in a much more serious way) is obvious and would've prevented this ridiculous debate and the opportunity for mudslingers like Gawker to even attempt such a false characterization of the statement itself. But I never said I approved of how he did it nor implied it, nor anything else Trump or Clinton says or does.
It sounds like the subtext here is that "Hillary claims to have lost them, then maybe the Russians can find them." Seems like more of a poke at Hillary and the administration than a truly-meant invitation to cybercrime.
But when Trump talks, you never know what to expect or what it means, if anything.
And if Trump gets elected and starts making comments about carpet bombing Chinese structures in the South China Sea, should Beijing take those statements seriously or not? Should they raise their equivalent of DEFCON?
Words matter, and being unpredictable / non-deterministic when it comes to international relations generally isn't prudent.
Smarter people than either of us have speculated on that before. Indeed, I've joked about it before...
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Hey, with how shitty backups are at a lot of companies, if the Russians and Chinese are able to have copies of documents, it might just be a good thing, because they are far more likely to be able to recover data when the C-level dude won't spend cash on anything related to that, saying, "backups have no ROI."
I never said I supported him - you assumed that.
I did not say what he said was right, but his comments for better or worse do get people talking. In a time where political correctness silences too many voices, even a "crazy voice" may be a good thing right now.
BRIAN NAYLOR, BYLINE: When he appeared before the editorial board of The Washington Post this week, Donald Trump was asked to explain what he wanted to do with the nation's libel laws. Trump told the Post, which put a tape of the meeting online, that if a paper gets story wrong, they should put out a retraction.
(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
DONALD TRUMP: They should at least try to get it right. And if they don't do a retraction, they should, you know, have a form of a trial. I don't want to impede free press, by the way. That's - the last thing I would want to do is that.
NAYLOR: Trump went on to say all he wants is fairness.
You mean Hillary? Because Trump, despite all the mud being thrown this way, has done very little concrete evil in comparison.
Don't disagree with you, but there's still a stink in the air:
* http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-putin-yes-it-s-really-a-thing
People lose email all the time, how many times have you asked someone, "did you get my email about...?" , "NO" , "ok I'll send it again" , "ok got it this time". Happens all the time, people just dont read shit and delete it.
Maybe you should read that article you linked. It doesn't say what you think it does.
"shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.
"the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton’s wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton."
That's pretty much my take on it as well. Yes, at some point even Hillary would have to admit that mistakes were made (by her), which may cast doubt on her judgement. But nothing she has done that we actually have any credible evidence of rises to the level of justifying time in a federal prison. Probably something closer to fines for mishandling of classified material. As far as Benghazi, I don't follow the logic of holding one person solely responsible for the safety of all State Department staff, and giving everyone else a complete pass. Could she have done better? Yes. Does this disqualify her to be president? No, no more than Trump's draft dodging disqualifies him to be president.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
At least once things get halfway settled, there are cybercrimes that will be considered acts of war if state-sponsored. I don't know if there's anything definite now. Inviting a foreign power to commit an act of war isn't actually treason (Trump's comment isn't really an invitation, but it leans that way), but it's reasonable to be unhappy about it.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
In context, with Trump denying the DNC hack was Russia trying to help Trump out, yes, this one can be seen as a very obvious joke. Just because he frequently makes horrific statements doesn't mean he doesn't occasionally also make jokes.
I don't think he's ever claimed that the wall comment was a joke. I don't think he ever will.
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You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
The Russians largely created the corruption scandal. It appears that some of the emails may have been tampered with, and the timing of the release is clearly intended to interfere in the US democratic process.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Heck, the right wing has been using fake dirt against the Clintons for decades for lack of the real thing.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
That's not what he did. Most of the reporting is cutting out the preceding context where he notes that Russia already has the 30k emails. If they already have them, and he's saying he hopes they find them, then he's not calling for them to hack anybody.
He didn't invite them to "Cyber invade".
Clinton jokes constantly about hiding her emails and Obama has made numerous jokes among them mocking the death of Scalia and threatening Drone strikes on the Jonas Brothers. Are we suddenly going to get angry about this too?
Hey, I hope you can find the bills I left in my trash.
How else would you do that but by coming into my house?
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
It may seem that way until you watch him say it completely straight faced as he does when he says any other combination of words. It seems those in the "hes joking" camp are projecting how a normal person might act when they tell a joke. Think long and hard, has trump ever made an actual joke...that is not actually a personal insult?
Politifacts looked at the video claim. It isn't clear whether Clinton mentioned the videos to any of the families; some say she did, while Clinton and others say she didn't. It was an exremely stressful and emotional time, and it's no surprise that there are conflicting memories.
You don't seem to realize that lots of protests were going on elsewhere, and it wasn't clear at first that the Benghazi attack was a deliberate attack that coincided with the unrest. It was a confusing mess, and sending what security forces were available to Benghazi is obvious only in hindsight. It was entirely possible that, fifteen minutes after they were committed, they'd be wanted far more somewhere else.
The way to prevent that would have been for the Republican Congress to give Clinton the money she asked for for embassy security. Clearly, by your reasoning, Republicans should not be trusted in a kindergarten student council.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
As an IT person,what I find vile is that whomever set Hillary's email server up did just a -server-.
With Exchange, one needs multiple servers to do the job right:
1: An incoming hardened gateway with virus scanning rules.
2: An incoming Exchange server.
3: Two internal servers to replicate the mailboxes.
4: An outgoing server.
5: An appliance for outgoing mail.
6: A dedicated server for OWA.
7: A dedicated server for POP/IMAP.
8: An internal server for protected SMTP relaying if needed.
9: RODC for DMC machines.
10: DC for internal stuff.
11: Backup DC.
12: Veeam server.
On the backend, these should be on some type of cluster (VMWare, Hyper-V), with n+1 hosts and affinity rules. The SAN needs to have multiple paths (MPIO, LAGs.)
I just find it appaling that someone of this nature was just using a single machine, when for someone of her stature, it needs a complete cluster.
plenty of asphalt, steel, and gold plated evil though!
You guys are silly if you think either Russia or China needed to hack Hillary's private server in order to get access to our classified information. It's almost insulting to those countries to believe they would think that small.
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
Instead, he's wrong about everything.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
1) I have a functioning sense of humor.
2) I'm not pre-programmed to treat everything Trump says as some ominous sign that he's the next Hitler.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
SJW ALERT ...
Where is that exact sentence located? Or is it maybe exaggerated? I know, I know, I must be new. Well also Anon.
This is not about who stole the DNC emails. Russia was not just justified in doing that - it was their intelligence services job. This is not even about who is releasing them. Again, Russia is a declared enemy of the USA, so getting Trump elected is a legitimate strategy.
This is about the fact that a person aiming to be the president of the USA just encouraged a foreign power to attack his own citizens and a huge bunch of people are happily trying to justify that.
The blaming a Youtube video part happened pretty fucking definitely.
This is from a New York Times article in 2014:
On the day of the attack, Islamists in Cairo had staged a demonstration outside the United States Embassy there to protest an American-made online video mocking Islam, and the protest culminated in a breach of the embassy's walls- images that flashed through news coverage around the Arab world.
As the attack in Benghazi was unfolding a few hours later, Mr. Abu Khattala told fellow Islamist fighters and others that the assault was retaliation for the same insulting video, according to people who heard him.
In an interview a few days later, he pointedly declined to say whether an offensive online video might indeed warrant the destruction of the diplomatic mission or the killing of the ambassador. "From a religious point of view, it is hard to say whether it is good or bad," he said.
No one who obsesses about Benghazi seems aware that during the George W Bush administration, there were 39 attempted attacks on U.S. embassies, 20 of which resulted in fatalities. The total death toll in those attacks was 87, including three confirmed to be U.S. civilians, and another 21 who worked at U.S. embassies or consulates and were either of American or foreign nationality.
The reason you might not have heard of those tragedies is that unlike Benghazi, no one exploited them for politics.
Again, Trump demonstrates here his insanely high ability as a first-rate troll. If there was a meter for such things, his rating would be off the scale.
Maybe a new department should be created under his leadership? The DOT moniker being taken, but somehow a Department of Trolling should be created with him at the helm... Maybe under Cyberwarfare?
Is retarded. Of course none of you will listen to the press conference to find out it's a sarcastic joke, because slashdot is in the tank for the National Social Democrat American Party.
Actually, the evidence is pretty clear that, upon hearing of the ongoing assault through intelligence channels (which then kept ongoing for another 8 hours, during which US Servicemen and an Ambassador died), Clinton (and Obama) decided against military recommendations to deploy a rapid reaction force (because it would have caused abstract political fallout) to defend, which could've been there in time and was staged ~100km away. Also, the very first intelligence at the time made it clear this was a planned, well-armed, coordinated assault that would not relent, and Clinton even communicated about it being of that nature internally during the crisis. At the same time, she lied to the public during and for days afterwards that it was just a flash mob of angry citizens upset about a recent youtube video, which is an entirely different category of threat. The intent there was to provide a cover story for their inaction.
It was a joke the same was "it would be a real shame if anything happened to those knees," is a joke. Plausibly deniable, but with malicious intent.
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
Except political assassinations do happen, unlike being put in a Moon-bound boxcar, and encouraging them tends to be not looked favourably upon.
Did I just Godwin the thread or will that be ignored in place of a petty argument about what is considered correct grammar?
"Wait. Something's happening. It's opening up! My God, it's full of apricots!"
2016: Still falling for the "we're a TWO party system" meme
No, you jackass, I am not voting for either one of them because so far as I am concerned NEITHER ONE is qualified for one reason or another! I'll vote for a 3rd-party candidate. That way my hands are clean. I'll not vote for the 'least bad of the two' again. I'd rather throw my vote away on someone who has no chance so at least I can say "I didn't vote for {whoever}, don't blame me!" with a clear conscience and a straight face. I suggest you all do the same!
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Asking a foreign country to invade your own is nothing short of treason.
Cyber invasion is not much different.
you forgot mocking the disabled and bragging about his dick
No kidding, the Position of POTUS is NOT a joke, but Trump is, a wake-up BItchSlap of treason charges would do wonders
The Russians largely created the corruption scandal
Do we know that they were actually released by the Russians?
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
"2) I'm not pre-programmed to treat everything Trump says as some ominous sign that he's the next Hitler."
Trump does that very well himself. I'm sure his "sense of humor" will serve the country well in matters of delicacy and diplomacy...
Hillary! has been on the /. front page before...
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So nothing illegal occurred, or the deal couldn't have been allowed to go through. Nice try though
Are you talking Clinton or Trump. Because it is a tie IMHO.
Meanwhile Liberals are more concerned with Trump asking the russians for help finding Hillary's Missing Emails, than they are about Hillary's Missing Emails.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
It absolutely was tongue in cheek. Trump deftly took the embarrassing story about the hacked DNC e-mails, blew another day's worth of life into it, and used it as a touchstone to circle back and remind everyone about that OTHER famous e-mail server. He did this by taking the EEEEEVIL boogeyman of THE RUSSIANS! which the DNC tried to use to deflect away from the *contents* of the hacked e-mails, and made it all about Hillary again, when yesterday it was about Wasserman-Schultz. Of course, those 30,000 e-mails he is referencing are the ones that were supposed to be about yoga pants and Chelsea's weddings plans. So if they are really a matter of national security and we don't want the Russkies to see them, why were they deleted...? "Thank you for playing, Mrs. Clinton."
It's brilliant political jiu-jitsu. The thing is, I get the impression he or his team doesn't stay up late and plan it out this way, it's just some kind of natural squirrely viciousness he possesses.
BRIAN NAYLOR, BYLINE: When he appeared before the editorial board of The Washington Post this week, Donald Trump was asked to explain what he wanted to do with the nation's libel laws. Trump told the Post, which put a tape of the meeting online, that if a paper gets story wrong, they should put out a retraction.
SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING
DONALD TRUMP: They should at least try to get it right. And if they don't do a retraction, they should, you know, have a form of a trial. I don't want to impede free press, by the way. That's - the last thing I would want to do is that.
NAYLOR: Trump went on to say all he wants is fairness.
No, it still doesn't say what you think it does:
1) The subject U.S. uranium mines were already foreign-owned
2) The Russians already owned 16% of the company before acquiring the reminder in the time frame you mention
3) Bill Clinton routinely speaks around the world for fees of a half a million dollars. You know, he spoke in Mexico right before Guzman escaped.. is Hillary Clinton a drug cartel member?
Scooter Libby wasn't jailed for Valarie Plame, he was jailed for lying to the FBI during the course of the investigation. Of course, actual facts don't really matter. ;)
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
so what would you call it now when the media runs stories by the clinton campaign before running it??? transparent???
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
I don't think Russia has changed. Our official policy now takes us a lot closer to Russia's borders. What can you expect?
I am Never-Trump, but even to me, this seems obvious that he was making a joke.
The media has pivoted to "Russians did it!" to distract from the content of the emails themselves. Trump is just trying to call attention back to Clinton's crimes with respect to federal record keeping laws.
Clinton exposed classified information by accident
Accident? It was by design and gross negligence. Hardly an accident.
And yet, there are people who will vote for her, in spite of the fact that she is basically "too stupid" to follow security requirements.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Wouldn't make much difference. The way the press eats out of Hillary's hand, having libel laws might make them hate the establishment enough to be independent again.
He's not wrong :)
Yeah, the media narrative that Trump and Putin are closely related, while ignoring the connections between Hillary and Russia, is one of the most glaring proofs of media bias.
Personally, my "Cthulu for President: Why choose the lesser evil?" poster is ever more relevant, and I've got no reason to not vote third-party again.
No, no that's not 'better' because the NY times article makes a claim that Trump NEVER made. Trump NEVER asked for hackers of any state to hack in to anything. How fuckin' hard is it to click on the video link & view it for yourself? Are people SO lazy, or really just so prone to WANTING TRUMP to look 'over the top stupid' rather than just 'generally careless' or at times 'hell that was entertaining' that you'd actually accept the word of a summary or even an article by the NY Times at face value?
So tell me, where are the in depth articles by the NY Times on the CONTENT of the DNC e-mails? You know, following up on the direct inferences of 'pay-for-play' that is fundamentally against the law. Why is the general media not hammering away on Clinton & the DNC about the content?
If the Times is such a pantheon of journalistic truth & integrity where are those articles?
Banning reporters is a totally Republican thing, isn't it?
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
German's are the largest ethnic group in the United States. What are you implying?
Bring back the old version of slashdot.
You do realize the only person in this election cycle to have an assassination attempt is Trump, right? https://www.theguardian.com/us...
You're an idiot.
It's no secret Apk shot you to pieces again AmicusNYCL https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9412709&cid=52590967 Hahahahaha
Well, let's be fair, after all a massive 7% of journalists identify as Republican, so you can't say ALL the media works for the Democrats... ;)
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Top secret emails on an unauthorized server with an internet facing capability.
Need I go on? Plame's husband introduced his wife at parties as "working in the CIA". She was not field... so let's not compare apples to oranges here.
Since Trump has been officially nominated, popular support for him on Slashdot has skyrocketed, even among individuals who I previously considered to be relatively sane and somewhat intelligent. Seems that all the conservatives have said to themselves "Well Trump is our party's candidate now, like or not, so I guess we better throw all our support behind this dangerous manchild."
I'm sure most of them know that he's by far the more dangerous choice compared to Republican Satan and the responsible, adult thing to do would be to write in a candidate/vote 3rd party and hope for the best or settle for their protest vote at worst, but they advocate for Trump, for the glory of The Party.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Listening to his press conference live, I got the impression that, IF Russia or China have those emails, THEN they should release them. Where would they find the 33k missing emails today anyway?!! Hillary wiped the server, FBI took possession, it's no longer online, etc etc. My take was that he believes the server was hacked over the four years it was active, and that those actors have the emails. If that's true, he encouraged them to release those too.
But I don't understand how or why they think this. You can't break into the residence of the former first lady and current Secretary of State. Leaving internet-based attacks. How can you just assume it was cracked?
If you start with those parameters on my home email server, you've got three chances per IP address per month to guess both the username and the password, assuming I don't notice the jump from 20-ish attempts per day to the thousands necessary to actually get in within the next hundred years. At which point I sigh and, somewhat irritated, put it in port-knocking mode. I say good luck, Russians.
Seriously, what's the vector?
So? Do you want an independent press or don't you?
Oh, Gawd!!! I can't even begin to slice through the stupid in your comment. I'm tempted to grant you your wish to live under a Trump Presidency, where anyone who dares ask questions is told to shut up...or else! The only thing that is pulling me back from granting your your wish for this hell on earth is that all the rest of us would have to suffer right along with you!
Nothing, except that Russia probably has all her emails already from her time at State. (Including the top secret stuff.)
I live in Texas and I frequently use the words "chap" or "chaps".
Given that logic, it may be cheaper and simpler to just use Slashdot to communicate all government information from now on. It may actually result in better decision making as all the AC's can provide valuable feedback guiding our trusted leaders to a glorious and prosperous future!
pretty much, yet the left and the media will run with it because somehow they cant find any real dirt
There's plenty to question - like Trump University, his 5 bankruptcies, his tax returns he refuses to release, his slander and libel, his personal attacks on reporters [anything to deflect attention!], his absolute BS "blue-collar billionaire" myth.
But yes, he's good at hiring professionals to bury the bodies...
Wish I could give this +1 agree. You forgot one thing.
If you don't support Hillary Clinton, you're a sexist!
All you Jill Stein voters out there are sexists!
DONALD TRUMP: They should at least try to get it right. And if they don't do a retraction, they should, you know, have a form of a trial. I don't want to impede free press, by the way. That's - the last thing I would want to do is that.
We already have laws covering this. It's called libel. Go forth and sue, your Trumpness! Best of luck with that
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Actually, yes. The State Dept. said that the remaining emails that had classification markings were marked by mistake.
Yeah, if you look past all the scams, lawsuits, lies about donating to charity, racist comments, racist acts, misogyny, donations for explicit political favours, mob connections, and rape allegations then he's practically a saint.
You must have missed the memo. Hillary won't be responding to the myriad heinous crimes committed by her husband, Bill Clinton.
pretty sure the email leaks show there is real dirt on her now. and thats expected by politicians, however the media should be neutral
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Can this Make Russia Great Again?
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
You upmod yourself by sockpuppet AmicusNYCL so everyone sees APK shot you down https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... again as he always does since you troll off topic and do nothing of value for others as he does.
and none of that has anything to do with running a country. unsecure servers and potential campaign violations by the clinton camp are just a few of her problems in public office.
thats the one thing trump has a clear advantage in, hes never been in office so alot of the other stuff can be ignored, focus on clintons record and its shit
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
So you think destabilization of international affairs, particularly against the larger more powerful competitor nations, along with unnerving long-standing and even newer allies is somehow beneficial?
When you grow some hair on your pussy, you'll realize that skulking around in fear of offending your adversaries is not an effective means of commanding respect. Sometimes it is necessary to do the needful.
OH c'mob, lighten up Francis....
He's only saying something that MANY folks have been jokingly been saying since they first released the DNC emails....
I've heard numerous folks joking and saying "well, hell, if the US govt can't find the missing emails, maybe these Russian chaps can...."
Like in the way Faux News tells us "people are talking about X", when X is something they brought up on one of their other shows?
[Really just shorthand for "we want you to think X"]
Mod you up! I forgot about that.
It's well known that reality has a very liberal bias.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
...this, despite the fact that the hack has already occurred.
And if her emails only contain yoga appointments a wedding plans, the who gives a fuck?
Calling for whoever has them to release them is nothing more than a call to reveal the Truth about her 30k emails.
What are Liberals so afraid of?
She doesn't need press conferences. Did you miss the part where major news sources go to the DNC for "approval" on what they may or may not print about Clinton? Seeing as how that's WaPo, the DNC probably approved that very article.
An interesting attempt by them to appear unbiased, though.
Actually, thinking on this:
It might not even be ego but rather a fairly valid campaign strategy. If everyone is talking about him, then in essential the "other guys" (or "other gal" in this case) is losing attention. It's pretty hard to promote yourself when everyone is ignoring you.
I've often wondered if this strategy is employed somewhat already in various debates.
If you have two groups, and group A wants to silence group B, then one way would be to have a bunch of people with crazy agendas/opinions claim to be part of group B. Then, when everyone is paying attention to the crazy people, they basically take over group B since they're the only ones getting attention. There seems to be a lot of thing in controversies like "gamergate" etc where there were people in both groups with valid opinions, but they were getting overshadows by the crazies who took attention away from the people with serious opinions.
...These emails were deleted from a server that the Democrats were saying was never, ever, in a million years hacked.
But now they are saying that the Russians did hack it, at the behest of Trump, and they did it a year before Trump mentioned it?
I'm sooo confused!
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
I'm tempted to grant you your wish to live under a Trump Presidency, where anyone who dares ask questions is told to shut up...or else! The only thing that is pulling me back from granting your your wish for this hell on earth is that all the rest of us would have to suffer right along with you
Why would it matter? The government seems to do almost the same thing regardless of who gets elected. Not much really changes. The other side always goes nuts and says the world's going to end if the latest Hitler (all Republicans) or Stalin (all Democrats) gets elected. The world never ends though.
You. Did. Not. Just. Play. The. National. Fucking. Security. Card.
You. Did. Not.
Comey said she lied.
sig: sauer
Let me guess....Sean Smiths mother is a liar then?
The stupid part is that ignoring terrorists is what we actually should be doing! Freaking out about terrorism is the only thing that makes it effective.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Not sure he's asking the right people, but he certainly isn't wrong when asking for outside parties to properly investigate and expose corrupt Democrats when our own elitist establishment in washington is just providing bread and circuses.
87 seems like a high number until you fucking realize it includes the attackers.
Hey, I hope you can find the bills I left in my trash.
How else would you do that but by coming into my house?
By waiting until you take the cans out to the street for pickup?
So nothing illegal occurred, or the deal couldn't have been allowed to go through. Nice try though
Actually, nothing illegal was prosecuted. I guess that means if I rob a bank and don't get arrested, no crime was committed.
Trump is just trying to call attention back to Clinton's crimes with respect to federal record keeping laws.
Well he did his usual great job on that. He has changed the topic of conversation from the emails to "trump wants russia to hack us". A few more fun facts now that trump himself has "pivoted"
- trumps businesses are heavily dependent on russian investment (source: trump jr)
- trumps campaign manager's last job was lobbyist for the Ukrainian dictator whos ouster set up the Crimea debacle
- the only change to the republican party platform that the trump campain made was erasing the hardline stance against russia
As for the emails themselves (DNC emails that is), they probably didn't matter much since Hillary won the primary popular vote by 25% and the DNC chair was forced out on the eve of the convention! What more can you ask for? Maybe $100M worth of congressional hearings that all end with no new findings?
If they won't, I will.
Except they were never taken out to the street.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
You might be new. Irrelevant though. Perhaps the real question you should ask yourself is where do you think the Russians should search if they wanted to find the missing emails? Or, more to the point, how could the Russians call any search complete without searching the US government computers as well as certain non-government computers.
It seems inescapable that a search for missing emails would require searching computers with the US borders. This would be a cyber invasion and endless squirming or mixing fiction with fact by Trump supporters would change that. Thus, Trump is at best treacherous and at worst treasonous.
Being a new poster might shed a different light on the matter, but no amount of darkness or light can alter the facts.
Some Trumpies are suggesting that he was just being sarcastic. The video is straightforward. No smiles, no sarcastic tone.
Trumps ties to Russia are going to all come out. He has borrowed money from several Russians. His campaign staff has a couple of guys who were tightly connected with Putin in the past and ...? And finally his proposal to lower aid to nato allies is a gift to guess who? Of course, Mother Russia.
Trump is in awe of Putin. Few people in history have garned so much ill-begotten wealth. Of course Trump admires someone like that.. It's almost like kissing a mirror for him.
Richard Armitage was not the source of the leak, Dick Cheney was. We know this because Libby's own notes stated he, Libby, learned Plame was an undercover CIA agent from Dick Cheney.
The reason Libby was convicted was because he lied under oath, not because he was the one who outed Plame.
Further, no one, despite what Bush said, was ever held accountable for outing an undercover CIA agent. None.
How many other agents had their covers blown because of their association with Plame? How many may have died because of Cheney's political vindictiveness? Talk about a breach of national security.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Think about this for one minute...the emails were hosted on Hillary's private server. The server WAS hacked. The server was subsequently wiped and then confiscated by the FBI, where it now resides, disconnected and turned off. It would therefore be IMPOSSIBLE for a foreign nation to cyber-attack the server in order to recover the emails. So what Trump was implying is that Russia already potentially has the 30,000 emails from the previous hack, and just needs to find them in the trove of material they stole. Duh!
Yes, the 87 does include some attackers (duh), but if you actually read what I wrote, you would "fucking realize" that many more Americans died during those attacks than in Benghazi.
Were there nine investigations into them? No, zero. How many front page stories even mentioned them? Zero. Generally Americans don't give a shit about human life unless the victims are American citizens, so there's no point even mentioning total casualties. But aside from 9/11 (a day when GWB was "keeping us safe") it seems that even American lives are only valued when the GOP is not in power.
Can someone please explain to me how you are so stupid as to think any of his comments are serious?
Going to be funny watch Trump win and people like you utterly uncomprehending why.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The New York Times isn't a governmental agency or a Presidential candidate.
When they are a full-time propaganda machine FOR a presidential candidate, why do they deserve distinct protection?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
It's called "news". It's this thing where someone tells everybody facts about events that are occurring.
The news hasn't been about facts for a long, long time.
In context, with Trump denying the DNC hack was Russia trying to help Trump out, yes, this one can be seen as a very obvious joke. Just because he frequently makes horrific statements doesn't mean he doesn't occasionally also make jokes.
"Obvious"? How can you possibly tell the difference? Please let us know - what's the tell here? When you layer on the fact that Trump frequently contradicts what he has said (sometimes in the same sentence), and frequently denies saying things that are thoroughly documented that he said (video recordings are a thing he seems unaware of) how can one tell he means anything he says? Maybe his whole campaign is a joke?
Second class citizen of the New Gilded Age
So you don't think the Republican candidate for the Presidency of the US inviting a foreign power, one that is at the best of times in a rather tense relationship with the United States, to hack into US systems just to gain dirt on the other party's nominee is reasonable?
Guess aspies don't get the concept of hyperbole either.
I thought he'd bring jobs back to the US. Here he's not even elected yet, and he starts outsourcing!
He has changed the topic of conversation from the emails to "trump wants russia to hack us".
No, he didn't do that. The Democrat supporting mainstream media has done that. The server is no longer online, it is in the FBI's possession. It would be impossible to hack it now, and the media knows that, but they're going to spin the story as much as they can to try and knock Trump. The fact is, the Russians (and/or others) already hacked that server. Trump joking about them finding the emails is not a request for them to hack the server now, it's a suggestion that they already have and just need to find the missing emails among all the other data they stole.
Yes, and then our friends the Saudis dumped excess oil on the market and killed the Russian economy
Hillary and Obama have put a serious crimp in Putin's game, he has every reason to promote a rich scumbag (like he did Berlusconi in Italy) to get back on to track of re-creating the Soviet Union
I didn't read it as an invitation to hack Hillary's email, I read it more of a "The Russians have already been there long ago."
Perhaps they have access to those missing emails through the "backup" they made a long time ago. Hey Vlad, can you restore some accidentally deleted emails for us, please?
So, he gets a special pass because he had been a target himself?
You're a cretin.
"Wait. Something's happening. It's opening up! My God, it's full of apricots!"
Oh look, the double-digit IQ Trump supporters have moderation points! And they apparently figured out how to use them! Tough shit, idiots, your boy Trump is a fucking CRIMINAL, and his traitorous comment has drawn fire from both the Dems AND the GOP, as well as everyone else, it's ALL OVER the media now. Trump is DONE. HE NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. NOW.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Pretty sure that the FBI already recovered the deleted personal E-Mails. It was reported that they had some time ago. Show that Trump is either clueless or just makes things up from whole cloth.
[ScentCone wrote:"As opposed to waiting six months at a time for Clinton to even hold a press conference"]
Maybe you've already seen this -- she held a press conference in June 10, 2016, the summary of which can be seen here:
https://youtu.be/YMHOcmDVBP0
This is from the angle of Hillary facing the camera:
https://youtu.be/lJjHTeo6mVw
From another angle by NBC News (look at the facial reactions of the woman on the left)
https://youtu.be/jtU5nMbEsQ4?t=18s
So few people have seen these videos, it's a shame they haven't gone viral.
Translation: MightyMartian is a Hillary hack, and is desperately attempting to make Trump look bad for pointing out that Hillary illegally put classified information on her illegal home server, and Russia almost certainly hacked it.
Most recent update: Hillary admits her home server had highly classified national security documents on it! Why else would it be a "National Security" issue if Russia DID release those deleted 'personal' emails from her server?
Those emails were sent to other servers. Most of which are still up. And many of which are government email servers.
So you are admitting that at least some of the "personal" emails she deleted without oversight, departmental review, or third party vetting are actually not personal. Otherwise why would they be in government email servers if they weren't sent to government email addresses?
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
You put your trash on the street last night.
Put the keyboard down bro, and back away slowly.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
That is exactly the reason she was not supposed to have that email server. If she wanted her own personal email server for her own personal emails, have at it. BUT, all of her state department emails should have been handled with a State Department email address through their system.
Hillary's State Department approved the sale, at her direction, after $2.3 million dollars had been donated to the Clinton Foundation. Hillary, despite having agreed to report all such donations, did not do so, did not publicly announce it like she agreed to, and most importantly, did not report it in her taxes until years later after media investigation discovered the 'donations'.
Currently, the FBI is investigation the Clinton Foundation for corruption and racketeering crimes. But hey! Since there was no conviction, nothing illegal could have happened, right? Just like with Hillary's definitely not illegal bathroom email server.
No we don't. Anyone who tells you differently based on the currently available information is either a paid shill (respectable in a capitalist way) or so completely compromised mentally they cannot be trusted with any information.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
I have no idea, nor have commented on the contents.
I'm commenting on a presidential candidate asking a foreign country to 'look into' governmental emails.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
Nobody who goes to an office in Langley is undercover. Just stop.
Wait, don't tell me, you think Mr. Bankruptcy-hide-my-tax-returns is interested in anyone who tells the TRUTH?
BWHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!
"You're a cretin"
He says as he tries to make a "political assassination" of the poster above.
No one who obsesses about Benghazi seems aware that during the George W Bush administration, there were 39 attempted attacks on U.S. embassies, 20 of which resulted in fatalities. The total death toll in those attacks was 87, including three confirmed to be U.S. civilians, and another 21 who worked at U.S. embassies or consulates and were either of American or foreign nationality.
The reason you might not have heard of those tragedies is that unlike Benghazi, no one exploited them for politics.
I don't recall any of those attacks being blamed on a youtube video by a Secretary of State and a President, let alone going after and investigating someone who made said video and using them as a scapegoat. Nor do I recall a Secretary of State lying to the families of those victims while telling people in private emails that it had nothing to do with a video.
Perhaps you could enlighten me?
That's a strange position. "You should vote for crazy stuff to happen because the press will then report on the crazy stuff"
Your ad here. Ask me how!
The world's relationship with Russia destabilized because of the unforeseen situation in Ukraine. So, yes, it was reasonable to not worry about Russia two years before the situation changed drastically due to unforeseen circumstances.
And you think any foreign nations were waiting for an invitation to hack? Pretty sure we can assume we do the same in kind.
The Weekly World News? Really? Which reporter did they claim was banned? Bigfoot?
" As President that wouldn't change, and I'm sure he'd have press credentials revoked on a regular basis"
What does that matter when there are no press conferences?
Actually providing aid to a foreign entity, whether willful or negligent, is all it takes to commit treason.
Yes, but since then they've amassed the largest Russian force on their Western border since WWII, invaded Ukraine, and are in Syria working to oppose us as well.
Trump's statement, recorded on video with audio, is tantamount to treason.
Try it yourself. Invite an adversarial nation or state to hack servers containing potentially Top Secret information (if the nuts are to be believed), and promise them "rewards" if they do so. You will go to PMITA Federal Prison.
It appears that some of the emails may have been tampered with
I have been following the story, and this is the first time I have heard of the "tampering" accusation. Can you provide a citation? Anyway, the head of the DNC has already been forced to resign, so it seems pretty clear that enough of the emails were real.
and the timing of the release is clearly intended to interfere in the US democratic process.
Sure, if exposing the truth counts as "interfering".
Vote for being told what's going on rather than having it hidden. What "stuff" are you predicting? It's safe to predict Clinton scandals based on history. And you can predict Trump will say stuff people will complain about. What else?
She doesn't claim to have lost them. She says that she deleted them.
But this is a major party nominee calling for another country to commit cybercrime and violate our national security for his own political gain.
For his own political gain, or so the electorate can actually know the truth about what sort of incompetence and shadiness their Democratic-party overlords have been getting up to?
Slashdotters are by and large in support of Snowden's whistleblowing. But when Trump asks of Russia "Hey, since you guys probably already stole this shit, do you mind sharing Clinton and the DNC's secrets with the rest of us?", now people want to hang a guy encouraging transparency from the lamp posts?
Is sedition still a chargeable offense? Wow, the shit that Trump says....
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
Are you really that dense?
Stuff that matters to The Cult of the Hilldebeast.
Yes, there were things marked above top secret that jumped between air-gapped networks.
Then there is the email where Hillary orders her staff to REMOVE CLASSIFIED MARKINGS AND SEND NON_SECURE. And there is resonable doubt we dont know the full damage since not every email was recovered.
You know, just in case he has an archived copy obtained by "private sources" and was saving for later ammunition in an ad campaign.
Irrelevant? Maybe, but who knows. If he isn't hiding anything, then this shouldn't be a problem. If he is not doing anything illegal, then he shouldn't have anything to hide, right?
Isn't that the crap he uses in his complaints about anyone or anything he doesn't like?
Except political assassinations do happen, unlike being put in a Moon-bound boxcar,
Calling for someone to be given the death penalty by the state and calling for them to be murdered with no due process are two different things.
I believe what Trump people were saying can only reasonably be held to imply the former, not the latter.
If Trump actually went to ask his supporters or others to commit the latter, then Trump himself could be committing a crime by attempting to incite people to do so, and Trump himself could even go to jail if one of his supporters attempted a political assassination after he "called on" people to do that.
So I'm 80% sure Trump is smart enough to not call on people to Kill non-combatant Americans outside a sentence handed down by the legal system, now or in the future.....
Bernie sold out for a handful of shekels
But don't you DARE call us racist.
I like music
Did you even read the fucking post you replied to, with the quote from the NY Times?
Perhaps you could enlighten yourself.
If I recall, the question to Romney in that debate was who was the major threat to the US. Romney was criticized rightly for saying it was Russia over terrorism, esp at that time. He was wrong then and he is still wrong now.
You're basically rewriting the question so your answer fits.
"Russian leadership is exactly the same now as it was in 2012 when it was ridiculous to worry about them."
Which doesn't negate what the poster you replied to said. The situation in Russia has gotten worse.
Russia of 4 years ago was still involved in talks with the west, we were thinking about putting up trade and economic blocs with them, and even folding them into NATO more. (There's an idiotic poster that keeps up pointing out the Clinton's approval of the uranium deal; that was when Russia-US relations were still on the upswing.) Russia's economy was on the uptick, cooperation with the west was pretty much increasing, we worked on space and even military projects (Russian engines were necessary for military satellite launches), we had nuclear wind down pacts, natural gas agreements were more stable (though were still used as a threat), and while corruption was still a major issue, they were working to becoming a reliable partner, at least externally. The west didn't like Putin's move away from democracy and to a near monarchy, but that was seen as an internal matter that probably would come around.
What changed? The invasion of Crimea. Basically, the Russians were sick of the establishment of the EU and NATO on the Continent going into old Soviet bloc states. They didn't like the Ukraine overthrow and the subsequent move of the Ukraine to move into the EU. They invaded Crimera to stop that, thinking the repercussions weren't going to be as strong as they were.
Russia got hammered with punitive economic sanctions, and rightly so. They took a hit image wise in working with the west--they were seen as unreliable. And then when the Saudis, responding to US oil producers, undercut oil prices, Russia got hammered in their staple, oil exports.
As their internal economy pretty much crashed, Russia took the typical Russian steps to curtail any sort of domestic political threats--curtailing speech even more, controlling political parties, suppressing democratic steps even more that there isn't even a semblance to most observers.
Internationally, their crash had push-pull effect. There are many they explored, including Russia blatantly militarily invading boundaries and ship flybys (work with us, or we'll do this more), but the KEY thing the Russians came away with was the EU was a powerful bloc now, economically, that they needed to disrupt. They learned that with their dealings with Turkey, with ups and downs, still traded with them. They saw simply and plainly that a united Europe is a threat to Russian interests.
And as such, Russia seeks to break that apart, and through fortune and circumstances (Brexit, ISIS attacks in Europe), they found some success--West blaming, Russian troll industry actually had an effect, funding right wing groups in European countries (partly explaining their rise, in addition to bad policy decisions by European countries), and now plainly that partial hacking to influence elections.
There's a lot of fine details and lots of stuff I've left out, but same leadership, but let's not be stupid here, there are massively differences in our relationship with Russia 2012 vs 2016 (and I left out the whole Iraq->Iran->Syria->ISIS->Saudis->Russia bit that could blow up in our faces too, as well as why Trump is so friendly with certain Brexit advocates and Putin himself).
Hillary's email server isn't online, any more. Trump's assumption is that her server likely had been compromised (as the FBI director allowed was very possible), and that someone's got the emails. His comment was nothing more than a taunt, which reflects a running joke that had been common among conservatives for the past year or so, all during the hearings and investigations.
Just the same way msnbc wants you to think 'y' and you gleefully comply.
Your first two links are typical right-wing whiny 'woe is me' bullshit ("While uploading her video probably was the best way to file her report, Carla may have technically busted the letter of that law."). Your final link points to a site that is currently headlining with "Bat Boy: Going Mutant".
Dude? That rescue team was made up. Four guys with 2 pistols that just came in country does not a rescue team make. Here's what happened from the senate hearings. Abbreviated of course. I'm still wondering what the Ambassador was doing at a CIA safe house 90 miles away from his Embassy without his full security detail. http://www.factcheck.org/2015/...
There are some things you don't joke about given your audience or the context you are giving it.
An AC or poster on Slashdot making a hacker joke is a far cry from national candidate seeking political advantage and national attention by mouthing off the same thing to the national press.
An AC or poster doesn't seek and largely doesn't have the political clout or power, and comes from a background, delivered on a stage to a receptive audience, where the context of the joke is understood.
Trump did this to gain press and political advantage. It is self-serving--hack her, release the info, to serve his political interests. He doesn't have or exercise the good judgment not to say this. He comes off as not understanding the implications, thinking blatant foreign power influence in a US presidential race is acceptable, as is advocating for crime against his political opponent.
His followup in avoiding questions and treatment of the reporter who questioned his, as alleged by you, "joke" only added to the sense that he wasn't really joking, or thinking. And the fallout from certain fellow Republicans backing him up (as well as some of his supporters here on /.) only adds to that.
This came from his own mouth, purposeful and direct. This isn't a joke delivered in private or to a pseudo-anonymous internet forum. I guess the next "joke" will be a 'Soviet own you', right?
do you not?!
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Talk hacking and the public gets boners and forget it is a casino mogul running for POTUS. Mention Russia and oh its spicy news.
Your country is robbed and you consider a casino mogul viable. If not, it's a Jew. Or you know about the other.
When doing long-term strategic planning, you don't plan against your adversary now - you plan for what they might be in a future worst-case.
You know, I keep reading that article whenever it's linked, and I don't think it really supports what you think it does. It's not a good look for Hillary, but it's not really a bribe either (unless you want to bring up the entire Bush family as oil company cockersuckers and terrorist supporting dogs).
Put it another way, do you think the Canadian agencies essential to making the deal work were also in the wrong as much as you think Hillary is? If not, then your decision to think she did wrong is purely political.
And I also think the article overplays the uranium card. Given the move to not stockpile nukes, somewhat away still from nuclear power, it's not as important as it seems, and if shit really hit the fan (esp with Russia-US relations being on the low they are), we'd just lock the mine down due to national interests.
And as pointed out elsewhere, Russia 2012 vs. Russia 2016 is vastly different, even if the fundamentals seem to be the same. Crimea changed the entire relationship, as did the Saudi oil price manipulation. 4 years ago and earlier with the uranium deal, we were working in space, militarily, and economically with Russia. A hugely different relationship exists now, esp with Brexit and Russia funding right wing groups in Europe to destabilize the EU.
It's only a Bizarro World if you don't see the political changes of then versus now. You're trying to apply a relationship building political climate of old to the current relationship, and strangely, giving excuse to Trump but not Hillary in abusing it.
No one has to try to make Trump look bad. The man is actively trying to destroy his own campaign, but morons like you seem to think that's some sort of master plan.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Except they were never taken out to the street.
Ah, you're the type that just allows a lifetime of trash to accumulate in your house. I guess I can't find those bills, then.
The media has two overriding objectives:
1. Report the news that'll get ratings.
2. Report it quick, before the rival news organisations.
Trump is getting a lot of press coverage, mostly negative. But it's not because of any conspiracy: It's because he has a habit of making outrageous statements. Every time he opens his mouth and says something ridiculous even by the standards of US politics, that's a story that people will want to hear about.
What are you talking about? What about going to war in Iraq killing at least a half a million people for their oil? What about torture? Where are Bush's emails that were lost? Hillary sure didn't do that. Do you think the emails were any safer inside the government? Just look at what happened to OPM when they were hacked and millions of government employees both retired and active had their personal information stolen? She may have been better off doing what she did?
It's not libel if it is true, moron.
He's not inviting anyone to do anything. He's saying they already hacked Hillary and that they should go ahead and release the emails.
I don't recall any of those attacks being blamed on a youtube video by a Secretary of State and a President, let alone going after and investigating someone who made said video and using them as a scapegoat. Nor do I recall a Secretary of State lying to the families of those victims while telling people in private emails that it had nothing to do with a video.
Perhaps you could enlighten me?
Perhaps bold text can penetrate your thick skull. Once again, from the same 2014 article:
On the day of the attack, Islamists in Cairo had staged a demonstration outside the United States Embassy there to protest an American-made online video mocking Islam, and the protest culminated in a breach of the embassy's walls- images that flashed through news coverage around the Arab world. As the attack in Benghazi was unfolding a few hours later, Mr. Abu Khattala told fellow Islamist fighters and others that the assault was retaliation for the same insulting video, according to people who heard him.
wow, you guys are late to the party... the Clinton server has been in the FBI's hands for over a year. It can no longer be hacked. Any hacking by the russians occurred more than a year ago. They probably already have her emails and whatever other top secret intelligence info they wanted, since it had no security measures at all. People take trumps remarks too seriously, he speaks off the cuff, and it's actually quite refreshing instead of the typical politician that lies to your face without blinking an eye. That said, Slashdot is best when people don't post the partisan political junk.
I read it as someone asking another country to divulge information they may or may not already have from past violations of our national security. How can they hack a server that has already had the emails deleted and the FBI confiscate it?
Can Russian hackers hack time?
Yeah, except someone got a felony conviction behind that.
Who's even indicted over the much larger breach of information security represented by the Clinton email fiasco?
Absolutely nobody.
So maybe you should redirect your misplaced outrage a bit.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
... The world never ends though.
Ah. Famous last words. It only has to go wrong once.
Oooh, look, its malware author and pschotic moron APK, dribbling his shit again, poor delusional fool.
We already have laws covering this. It's called libel. Go forth and sue, your Trumpness! Best of luck with that
Just wait until he becomes president and manages to change the libel laws to his advantage. I think he mentioned something like that.
It's not violating our national security, it would merely be violating a personal server. Remember....that's what we've been told.
Can't believe people are willing to vote for the piece of garbage who violated law and procedure and got her servers hacked and jeopardized national security.
It's a lot easier to understand Trump making a joke at said person's expense.
I'm tempted to grant you your wish to live under a Trump Presidency, where anyone who dares ask questions is told to shut up...or else! The only thing that is pulling me back from granting your your wish for this hell on earth is that all the rest of us would have to suffer right along with you
Why would it matter?
Well, for one thing, I can still openly say precisely what I think of our leaders in Washington without fear that I might face retribution. Do you really want the last vestiges of the first amendment ripped to shreds? I kind of like having the freedom to ask questions of our political leaders, even if the powerful and mighty become uncomfortable when people ask them. Real patriots ask questions. In fact, this is one of the things I find most disturbing about the current trends in our nation's political life. You may be too young to remember but it wasn't that long ago that Presidents were expected to regularly show up at press conferences to answer questions from the press; even the sainted Ronnie Reagan used to make semi-regular appearances to field questions from the press. Over the last few presidential administrations Presidents have become more and more skitterish to do this important part of serving the people. I just worry that under a Trump Presidency the presidential press conference will be completely eliminated. Despite your implied lackadaisical attitude toward our essential freedoms, yes, things could get worse. Much worse.
If they did release them it would be the best course of action for everyone, except Hillary. It would prove that her personal email server that she used as Secretary of State was compromised. It would maybe force people to ask more questions like 'Did former Secretaries of State use private email servers or did former Secretaries of State use private email?'. Those are two different things, in case you were wondering.
Trump did not invite the Russians and Chinese (as he later mentioned) to hack, he asked them to expose the hack. Something our FBI couldn't do, even after the fact. Grandpa Pinetta and the other pin heads in the DNC and at the DNC in Philly, can't figure out that talking about this is awesome. Maybe this will force Hilliary to have an unscripted press conference. She can talk about wiping her server with a rag. It was in the bathroom, so it probably needed it.
Mighty Martian if you watch the video you might notice Trumps comments were dripping with sarcasm
First off the server doesn't exist any more - remember, it was 'wiped' (no, not 'with a towel')
When the server existed, Hillary told us it was never hacked, so there can't be anyone that has copies of her emails.
If the 30,000 deleted emails were copied off the server before it was wiped, we know it doesn't include any 'work-related' emails, because Team Hillary took 2 years and only deleted non-work related emails, like pictures of her granddaughter and yoga routines.
Please explain how making Hillary's yoga routines and granddaughter pictures are matters of national security, and if they truly are, it makes the Republican's case that housing such sensitive material on an insecure private server was, at the minimum, a grossly irresponsible thing to do.
The issue is, has been, and always will be her decision to conduct 100% of her work while Secretary of State on an insecure private email server.
But please, stop trying to convince Americans that asking someone to share Hillary's self-described non-work related emails is an act of treason - you just sound stupid.
Yes. . Exactly.
Why can't people just understand that Hilary will push the envelope of what is legal to the point it looks illegal but isn't technically chargeable. You know, it depends on the meaning of the word "is" type shit. So many loopholes it will give you whiplash trying to follow the action.
This is why she should be the next president. We know that despite how it looks, no matter how deplorable, unethical, or blatantly violating the law it appears, it will all be legal. . At least what can legally be proven anyways.
"I don't care"
"Politicians have been doing this for decades"
"Regan Got away with it"
"So did Cheney"
"We can indict Hilary for her email server right after we finish sentencing Cheney for war crimes".
Seriously. We let monumental crap following the Afghanistan & Iraq wars just slide. Admit it, you just don't like Hilary, and you'll do literally anything to break her. Maybe you've got a good reason. Maybe you don't. But none of those matter. It's about how you _feel_. But hey, don't take my word for it. Listen to John Oliver.
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I am no Trump fan, but it was clear to me he was not really asking Russia to hack the emails, and this comment is actually sarcastically pointing out that Russia already has them, and reminds everybody of Hillary's terrible and yes illegal decision to have a private email server as Secretary of State.
It is a very effective attack and reminder of this huge problem that won't go away for Hillary. Everytime she things she is past this problem, it comes up again and has severely damaged her reputation.
So they should hack into her personal email server that contained no sensitive data ? Whats the big deal, unless .. Oh I get it now.
well calculated, perhaps.
he is trying to get the joke voters.
but asking for acts of war to be performed like that is in normal countries treason.
There's a problem with what you are saying then. Trump asked Russia to give the media copies of the 30,000 "personal" emails Hillary deleted from her home-brew personal server. The only way there would be "personal" emails from her server residing in a government server is if they weren't personal. They would be "government" emails, sent to members of the government, that she deleted for some reason. Definitely not "personal" emails.
And, furthermore, what's up with the treason accusations? Even if Trump did say to hack her email (which he didn't), the head of our justice department, Hillary, and the FBI have all declared there is nothing on her email server that was classified. No need to worry how insecure it was, or that it was a violation of policy to use it, everything there was as safe as tap water. Furthermore, it is not a government owned server. It's a personal server, so there are definitely no "treason" issues as it's not government property being talked about.
Not siding with either one of these juvenile, puerile, and corrupt imbeciles, I just want all parties to keep their heads when discussing the issues. Hyperbole and sensationalism backed by rabid self interest and self justified irrational beliefs don't help the conversation one bit. All it does is show that some people are so hopelessly wrapped up in the ideology they have been sold that they are willing to sacrifice their integrity and honesty to scratch out a couple of imaginary hash marks on the internet scoreboard of shame.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
Thanks for exposing all the far-left morons who fail to read/watch/listen to the facts first before they knee-jerk. Looking forward to more things Trump says to be taken out of context so my stock in popcorn soars.
What the mother loving fuck? Can Slashdot editors READ? Is the data now in CURSIVE?
Oh, and your video doesn't say what you say it says.
Slashdot fucked the duck on this one.
Mis-quoted, taken out of context after letting the main stream media run it through their overlords at the DNC and you fucking droolers post this shit?
I hope your daddy lied to your mummy like that and actually did cum in her mouth.
And, that's also stacked on the unsubstantiated LIE that the Russians did the DNC hacks. Hello, I can make my computer type cyrillic characters, and I can use proxies or compromised devices in other countries. Does that make me Russian?
What a bunch of pathetic nonsense.
Sure.... That's what the Reset button was for. How did that turn out for HRC? We're just asking them for their help.
With her cankles.
was a page out of the LBJ playbook, when he called a fatuous press conference as Fannie Lou Hamer was about to address the 1964 DNC. Not a politician my ass.
"Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
Just the same for Billary and the DNC. That's what everyone who vots this year is going to do.
Bernie sold out for a handful of shekels But don't you DARE call us racist.
Don't forget the airplane. I hope he hires some good technicians... or he may end up on the list of unfortunate deaths surrounding the Clintons. "Oops! I guess we forgot to put the hydraulic fluid back in that... think they can fly without the tail working?"
thats not at all what he said? did you even listen to the audio?
Assange has stated he has more, and more damming emails. It wouldn't be too hard to leave out the stuff they don't want us to know they know but still put out enough to hang Hillary with. We may not have to wait very long. They won't be as much use after the election.
Even if he wasn't joking, are you really saying that this quote about hacking into someone's personal email system, to acquire personal emails, that America has been assured to have ZERO classified details in them and ZERO government affiliation, is considered "inviting them (Russia) to attack us"? Hacking into a non-government server to retrieve details about a wedding and what to wear is not "an attack." Calling it one is blatant stupidity or baldfaced partisanship.
Your political thinking cap is on waaaaay too tight, homey. Its cutting off the circulation to what's left of the rational part of your brain. You know, the part that isn't pwned by a false ideology sold to you be shysters in government garb and media shills.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
I know it's really really hard to fact check, but give it a try sometime. As others have pointed out, there is a crafted narrative regarding Trump which the media across the board is spreading. Almost every major news outlet has the same exact story and spin, yet numerous third party people and sites read things completely differently and there are fringe shows which make it abundantly clear that the propaganda engine is running full steam.
Context matters. Not just with Trump but with anyone get their quotes in context. The nature of Trumps comment was easy to see sarcasm.
Non quoted quotes. Trump never said what TFA claims he said. The headline was a complete fabrication created by moving words around and removing context.
The massive amount of propaganda is known by a majority of the populace. This is why Hillary is down today to 40% versus Trumps 47%. The massive lies being spread by media is making things worse for Hillary.
There are whole lot of things to argue with Trump about, yet those arguments are ignored and the DNC and Hillary resort to race baiting and fear mongering with all kinds of easy to see false claims regarding his character.
The allegory of the cave is a 2 way lesson. It's not simply about why it's important to pull people out, it's a message for people seeking power that people don't go back into the cave easily.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
I heard him today. What "acts of war" are you talking about?
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If the Russians hacked Hillary's email, it was done years ago when she was Secretary of State. Trump's not asking them to hack a live server right now. Hillary's email server is long-gone. She wiped it with a cloth, remember?
He fed the press and Democrats (almost one and the same) a bit of bait, and they took it before they knew what was happening. Now the Democrats say the emails are matter of "national security". If they truly are, and the Russians have them, and any of them contain classified material, then Hillary is guilty and should be in prison. She can't have it both ways.
Trump is playing chess while the Democrats are playing checkers. He's a move or two ahead of them and they're bewildered. This is not politics as usual.
I'm really looking forward to the next email release. This call for not just popcorn, but hot wings flavored popcorn!
lol dude, the server's shut down - it CAN'T be hacked because it doesn't fucking exist
But everyone knows that the Russians broke into that thing. We know from some of the released emails that their security procedure was to turn it off for a few minutes, and they caught some russian phishing attempts already. Russia has had those emails since Hillary hit sent - Trump's just asking them to release them so the american people can see exactly what she was doing.
But don't let facts get in the way of hating on the man who said mean things and likes evil bad poor white people.
She doesn't need press conferences. Did you miss the part where major news sources go to the DNC for "approval" on what they may or may not print about Clinton? Seeing as how that's WaPo, the DNC probably approved that very article.
An interesting attempt by them to appear unbiased, though.
More likely she can't do press conferences. She hasn't owned a high enough percentage of the "journalists" to guarantee she only gets softball questions.
She can't hack the pressure anymore. The little seizures, strokes, or whatever are catching up to her.
I fully expect to see her to drop with some medical reason right there on live TV. The debates aren't going to be about who "wins" they'll be about watching to see if the vessels in Hillary's head pop during the questions or not.
What's even more contemptible is the situation that has arisen from a civil servant's willfulness to skirt her responsibilities to the people who employ her. She created this issue. Now everyone who isn't a zombified Hillary supporter has questions about what was in those emails.
Openness and transparency was promised. Obama assured us we would have it. Instead we have secrecy, zero accountability, and willful stonewalling...by our employees!!!. But hey, it was a personal server, and the 30,000 emails in question were only personal emails. If she wants to play it that way you can't go back and now say Trump is advocating anything having to do with government email systems, inciting harm to the government, etc. No silly "treason" accusations, no false cries of tampering with a government email system. It was a personal server, not a government server.
And, furthermore, the contents of the entire server (with the exception of the deleted "personal" emails" that no one saw but Hillary, her inner circle, and her lawyer) were all approved by the justice department, the FBI, Loretta Lynch, and Barak Obama. No classified emails were sent. Nothing that would violate her clearance protocols at all. That server was as harmless as a kitten during her term as Secretary of State. How much less relevant are the things in there now that time has passed? Well I guess we won't ever know will we?
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
How many of those embassies were in areas that fellow allied countries explicitly pulled out of because the security situation was 'untenable' and had multiple requests from the ambassador at the post for MAJOR personnel and site upgrades?
It's well known that reality has a very liberal bias.
There's proof of this in the DNC emails. Monetary payments, access as reward, and outright orders about what to write and when to release it.
No, The reason no one heard of those is because security measures were in place and there wasn't a record of people asking and being denied extra security.
The reason benghazi is so known is because it was one blunder after another and we know that the political nature was in not sending support in or even attempting a rescue in order to avoid political fallout of the appearance of U.S. troops invading a foreign country.
For what it is worth, I think the host country of any embassy should protect it and if they appear unable or unwilling we should be able to send an entire army in if necessary for the protection and removal of people and they can kiss our asses if they object.
WE HAVE MORE THAN TWO POLITICAL PARTIES IN THIS COUNTRY.
That's only technically true. The U.S. Constitution doesn't actually specify that there can only be two parties, but it arranges a winner-take-all system that organically results in the emergence of a two-party system. For a third party to gain a foothold, one of the two major parties has to fission roughly in half. (The last time this happened was before the Civil War, when the Whigs split up.) The U.S. has always had third parties, but each one is a satellite of one of the two major parties. (The Libertarian Party is a splinter off the Republican Party, and the Green Party is a splinter off the Democratic Party.) The reason that these parties stay small is obvious- if a Democrat votes Green, he knows it will help the Republicans, and if a Republican votes Libertarian, he knows it will help the Democrats. So the third parties only get a small number of protest votes (and only if these people don't stay home and watch Netflix).
This clearly has an effect on Senate elections. Also on the Electoral College during presidential elections, but states are reluctant to apportion electoral votes by the proportion of voters- since it means voters in that state exert less of an effect on the outcome of a presidential election than voters in winner-take-all states nearby.
Meanwhile the House of Representatives is controlled not by a majority of voters, not even by a majority of seats, but by a majority of a majority of seats. And that majority-of-a-majority isn't even answerable to the majority of voters in their districts, but to the (generally nutcase) minority that votes in primaries. Even if you disregard the ridiculous gerrymandering of districts, this isn't government by the people; it's government by a minority of a majority of a minority of the people. It's an absurd perversion of democracy and one of the biggest bugs in the Constitution.
If you believe HRC, the emails are all about yoga, Chelsea's wedding centerpieces, and probably a bunch of questions from HRC about how she can get minesweeper to work. The only risk to Russia having those emails is if HRC is full of shit and deleted pertinent email whole under subpoena. Which of course she is.
But anyway, never Trump.
Nope. It has to be enemies. It specifically says enemies.
And nobody has yet explained how the recipient of a classified email could have prevented it from being sent.
When you have a clearance, you (at least contractors do, I suppose government types might be different) have to undergo "training" on how to handle classified information. One of the things that you're taught is how to deal with receiving classified material on an unapproved computer.
Bottom line (for contractors at least) is that basically you immediately disconnect from the Internet, immediately stop using the computer (but do not close any running programs or turn it off), and immediately contact security who will start making arrangements to deal with it. Failure to do so is essentially a crime. (Or at least I sure thought it was. Apparently it isn't, if you're a Clinton.)
Receiving classified information isn't itself a crime, but receiving it and then not doing anything about it is. Or, at least, that's what I've been taught every time I'm forced to retake the Security Clearance Refresher Training.
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
Assuming you know the legally defined charge of treason in the U.S., what exactly did trump do that meets this definition?
To be even more specific he was jailed for getting a date 'wrong' and thus lying to the court about the date, not content of, of a conversation that happened 18-24 months prior to the testimony in question. A call which was neither in his calendar nor was anything written down about said phone call afterwards. He was not allowed to introduce expert testimony at his own case pointing out that the human memory is, in point of fact, quite fallible.
In the land where the handgun is a common combined penis and flag substitute the "assassin" didn't even bring a gun. Not much of an attempt. File him with the thousands of other crazies who "would have done something" but were dragged off from events like that.
The real thing, a guy who shot Reagan, is being released today. He didn't just turn up with some stupid "plan" to steal a gun from a cop.
Moron. Armitage leaked the info. Libby was convicted of perjury for not remembering the exact date of a phone call.
I *do* want an independent press. But that doesn't mean that a Trump presidency is going to mean the press is going to get the kind of answers we want them to ferret out of those in power, especially when a huge portion of the country views the press as the enemy!
Take a step back, try it with a different name for the person who "lost" the emails and you'll see why. If Trump was serious instead of it being a silly joke it would be condoning espionage versus something trivial.
Give up on the emails. They are never going to be found it's a distraction from what looks like real crimes like taking a bribe from Pfizer. The only reason Republicans haven't gone after that is that a crackdown on bribery may bring up some historical dirt that will also make some Republicans look bad (eg. Cheney).
You should be tired and worn out with all those hoops you are jumping through to maintain that point.
Seriously, do you not understand how convoluted you are trying to get here? Let me simplify it for you. If i said find a pencil that is missin , i don't expect you to break into a house, I don't expect you to mug anyone, i expect you to look around the areas in your control to see if you can find it.
So basically the tail end of 2001, 2002, and 2003? I remember those days, "in a time of war you have to stand behind your President." My sister was very outspoken against war and got a lot of real vile things said about her as a result. I do not look forward to any kind of a return to those days.
Indeed - Rice, Powell, Clinton and many others were doing what the lowly private was trained not to do.
Where's your source on this. Julian Assange made a statement just a couple days where is specifically did not identify the source of the leaked material.
"Asked about claims that Russian intelligence had hacked the DNC to obtain the emails, Wikileaks founder Julian Assange told NBC Newsâ(TM) Richard Engel âoethere is no proof of that whatsoeverâ and said âoethis is a diversionâ pushed by the Clinton campaign."
- http://nypost.com/2016/07/25/j...
It's not ridiculous for Ukraine to worry about Russia, but it is a bit for the USA to worry about Russia any more than the background concern and attention that has been paid since the fall of the Berlin wall. It's at the "keep the dog from next door from digging under the fence" level of worry, not a "they are arming our enemies" level of worry.
Romney was trying out a cold war scare campaign - very bad move. That's a lot more than just worrying about Russia.
It looks like a spectacularly massive ego trip that will mostly be paid for by people other than Trump. Not a joke, it just looks that way to those of us who are not narcissists.
How can anyone be this obtuse? I'm referring to the clown, MightyMartian, not Trump (a high bar for clownhood, indeed). I saw the video of what Trump said. What he clearly is referring to is the complete and utter softball Clinton's carelessness tossed to the Russians/Chinese/skritptkiddies for an espionage target. He's not telling the Russians to hack us. He's basically saying, Clinton made it easy and I'm sure you've got the info. Spare us the theater and just give the folks that want to hold Hillary to account a copy of what she was dangling out there for anyone to take.
I find it even more remarkable that Team Clinton took this bait and now her shenanigans are all over the news again. A more clever approach would have been to ignore Trump. Now he's got the front page again while the Democrats whitewash their nomination process that was clearly rigged to disenfranchise the Sanders crowd from the beginning.
Trump might be an asshole and a windbag, but Clinton is clearly a corrupt politician and a criminal, regardless of how you dance around the facts.
I would call it Rupert Murdoch picking a side and expecting to collect later when his bet pays off. That's how he did it in the UK and some other places.
You mean like blatant criminality by Clinton that the media just can't bury fast enough....got it.
And what if there are no emails proving any of that?
If the Russians have, indeed, "OWNED that server", then you'd expect them to have access to the most incriminating stuff that exists, right? So if they haven't released it... what should we conclude?
One, that the Russians are actually supporting Hillary? But then why leak in the first place?
Two, that more and juicier leaks are still to come? But that does rather pose the question, "Why are the Russians so keen to make sure that Trump wins?"
Or three, that there really isn't anything any more incriminating than what's already been released, and Hillary hasn't "gotten away" with anything, because there was nothing for her to "get away" with?
Those are the only options I can think of right now. You wanna pick one, or propose some more of your own?
Russia has actively influenced American politics since 1918.
This is the first time democrats have minded.
Gotta keep up their rep I suppose.
They invaded Georgia in 2008. So no, not much has really changed.
Possibly. Fast and furious provided them a lot of guns.
Trump didn't ask Russian to hack us. He's recognizing that they most likely already have. Since our own government won't prosecute what is obviously a crime to most of the United States and the Main Stream Media are just ignoring it in order to prop up the criminal, the only solution that may result in everyone learning the truth is for Russia to release something they ALREADY HAVE.
Does not mean that full context does not exist. It simply means you are lazy. Do you need me to provide a LMGTFY link to "Donald Trump Full Speech 7/27" or can you do that much all by yourself? And just because it seems to be rocket science, change the goddamn date to what ever date you wish and you can find other speeches that he has made.
Since you are too lazy to perform a Google search I know damn well that you won't actually read, therefore here is a link so you can listen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
No, I do not believe you actually will listen either. You may hear some noise but listening requires some level of motivation.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Listening to the news and hearing over and over that Trump just "invited a foreign power to launch a cyber attack". How stupid do they think we are? Those 33,000 emails were DELETED by Hillary! It is well known that the Kremlin may actually be in possession of these emails from a hack that occurred when Hillary was STILL IN OFFICE! Sheesh!
Translation: I'm ignoring the idiocy of Trump's statement, and inventing a rationale that allows me to not feel like a contemptible moron for supporting the man.
Well, you're ignoring the obvious joke in Trump's statement and inventing a rationale that allows you to continue to hate him. I mean, if it's the "damn ruskies" who hacked the DNC to help support Trump as the Democrat theory goes, then why wouldn't they support him by divulging Hillary's illegal emails? It's poking a very big hole in the "Russian" conspiracy, reminding people as well of Hillary's "vast right wing conspiracy" theory.
I think the dead giveaway is the bit about being "rewarded mightily by our press". If you can't see the sarcasm in that statement you are, as gurps puts it, a fool. The US press doesn't give a damn about Hillary and her issues with handling secret documents. After all, the FBI guy said she was innocent, right? (Reminder: no, he didn't, but that's how the press spun it.)
You sound like the kind of guy who would jump up and down shouting how much a liar Trump is if he answered "banana" when you asked him "who's there" as part of a knock-knock joke. He's not a banana, he must be INSANE! It's TREAASON to say you're a banana! It's racist towards true banana republics!
Lmao @ the idea of Trump playing chess. I sincerely doubt he has the attention span, seriously. Looks to me like he is playing battleship, by himself. Dems are playing adult.
Wait wasn't trump the one who said NATO needs to be dismantled or something?
If Trump kicks NATO to the curb is he going to just make a deal with Russia so they don't invade Europe in the power vacuum that happens?
Sounds like the Naiveté of a certain Neville Chamberlain person from the not terribly long ago past.
Russian leadership is exactly the same now as it was in 2012 when it was ridiculous to worry about them.
That's the problem with and a feature of dictators. Putin plays the long game.
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
And NATO didn't provoke Russia by putting troops and missiles on their borders, no sir!
So, are you implying that the converse is not true? That Russia has not provoked NATO "by putting troops and missiles on their borders"?
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
If Trump kicks NATO to the curb is he going to just make a deal with Russia so they don't invade Europe in the power vacuum that happens?
If Europe can't defend itself, why should we do so?
Since when is it our job to spend our money to defend Europe from Russia?
Stop, you're embarrassing yourself.
The server doesn't exist. The server never had classified material on it (Per HRC).
The server was never hacked (Per HRC)
The 30,000 'deleted' emails that Trunp is asking the Rusdians 'or whoever has them' were about wedding plans, her granddaughter, and yoga routines (Per HRC)
Hacking into a non-existent server to retrieve non-existent emails that were non-classified and non-work-related is not a matter of national security .
Given that logic, it may be cheaper and simpler to just use Slashdot to communicate all government information from now on. It may actually result in better decision making as all the AC's can provide valuable feedback guiding our trusted leaders to a glorious and prosperous future!
Sounds good. And the modders can mod away! Democrazy in action!
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
No, of course not. The first time I was aware of this happening was during Shrub's administration. Dems put up a howl, naturally.
I don't know how far back or how common it was before then.
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
" I can still openly say precisely what I think of our leaders in Washington without fear that I might face retribution."
I too can still openly say precisely what I think of the leaders in Washington without fear that I might face retribution!
Regards, Ivan Kratkiy
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
Reminds me of that bit from "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy", where the job of president is not to wield power, but to draw attention away from it.
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
No, Hillary is playing Monopoly and keeps getting the get out of jail free card.
1. Trump DID NOT call on Russia to do any hacking. He pointed out that IF they hacked us, then they might be the only ones who have the 30K e-mails Hillary deleted while federal investigators were seeking them. If the Russians already have them, then THE NATIONAL SECURITY DAMAGE IS ALREADY DONE and asking Russia to release them could only harm Hillary, NOT America
2. He cannot POSSIBLY be calling on the Russians to hack hillary now, since she has already taken down and wiped her server; he was saying that if Russia are the hackers as the DNC is claiming (without any actual evidence) that then they should give the American people access to the files which the American people own and which Hillary deprived us of. The Democrat accusation is logically absurd.
3. We've just been through several weeks of Democrats insisting that none of Hillary's e-mails were classified, none were a risk to national security, and the ones she deleted were only about yoga and her daughter's wedding dress. NOW we are told that it's TREASON for Trump to ask that these yoga and wedding dress e-mails be released and that their exposure will damage national security?
With the news of the Wikileaks causing trouble the DNC tried to distract everybody from the content by pointing at Russia. They played the "Russkies" card and used the blame-the-exotic-'others' tactic that they accuse Republicans of using. All their spokespeople fanned-out and started pushing it. Obama started using it from the executive branch of government, and all their politicalallies in the newsrooms across the country started pushing the conspiracy theory.
All the major networks and the big newspapers are staffed by Democrats, so if you want to know what Trump said, you have to grow a brain and actually go watch his entire presser instead of stupidly falling for the propaganda version you are being spoon-fed by Hillary supporters who both edit and interpret everything for Hillary's benefit.
People forget that George Stephanopolis at ABC used to be employed by Bill and Hillary Clinton. Chris Matthews at NBC used to be employed by Tip O'Neil (former Democrat House Speaker), Bill Moyers at PBS was the Democrat propagandist who helped Democrat President Lyndon Johnson sell the Vietnam War. Look into these people! Pay attention to who is manipulating you! The networks are FULL of Democrats. How many Reagan employees are anchoring network news programs???? Fox News has a couple BUSHIES doing EDITORIAL content or contributing info about how DC works as guests on programs .... but the news anchors like Chris Wallace, Brett Bair, Shep Smith, Megan Kelly, etc are NOT former chief-of-staff or speechwriters or spokespersons for Republican politicians. Even if Fox were all Republicans all the time it would not even-out ABC,CBS,NBC,MSNBC,PBS, and the papers.
Just because a Democrat tells you he said it,that does not make it true.
Watch the entire press conference, you manipulated moron. Trump was very clearly NOT saying what Democrats are running to all the microphones pretending he said.
First, the Democrats insisted there was nothing classified on Hillary's Servers and that all the e-mails she deleted were about yoga. The they insisted that all the DNC e-mails were just insubstantial political rants by DNC employees and of not real significance. Then when they started to have problems the Democrats yelled "Squirrel!" and pointed at Russia and tried to claim Trump was in league with Putin and that this was all a threat to national security.
It's a mountain of lies. It cannot be in any way as the Democrats claim. Hillary's servers no longer exist, so Trump cannot be asking Putin to do anything going forward, and in fact Trump was very clear in saying that it thr Russians WERE the hackers and DID get the e-mails that were being sought by federal investigators then Russia should hand them over. There can be no nationa security thrreat, since the Democrats have instsited there was no national security related materials hacked.
The scum here are the Democrats flailing about flip-flopping about whether those damned e-mails were classified nationalsecurity stuff or just Hillay e-mailing her daughter about yoga and bridal gowns.
As Glenn Greenwald of The Intercept reminds us, "Governments do spy on each other and do try to influence events in other countries, certainly the U.S. government has a very long and successful history of doing exactly that.". So hearing Americans, particularly Democrats, complain about Trump's request here reminds us the US has unclean hands and about far more important things than distracting us away from the ugliness the Democrats apparently sic on each other to win political races. Some of that increased ugliness includes voter shenanigans (possibly voter suppression) to make it harder for would-be Bernie Sanders voters to vote in the Democratic primary, collusion with news outlets to suppress unfavorable stories, and possible illegality from the DLC. These strike me as far more interesting considering the veracity of the DLC emails remains unchallenged.
The last thing the Democrats really want is people thinking about Hillary Clinton's voting record, or campaign funding sources. That analysis won't go down well with anti-war, pro-universal health care, pro-organized labor, anti-fracking, anti-TPP voters the Democrats seem to be losing. Such discussion might lead these voters to notice that the Democrats are apparently as interested as the Republicans in using a distractionary fear-based campaign against the only competition they're willing to admit to (no talk of Greens or Libertarians, for instance, people might defect or demand inclusive debates).
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The Russians are always listening.
It's not funny anymore because all you poor bastards are finally beginning to realize that Hillary won't be getting anywhere near the white house, and this is not because of Trump or the Russians or even the Saudis, but because of herself.
Is the DNC a government agency? This day in simple answers for simple questions...
Sure, there are some trends which are pretty well known during the 2 weeks of National conventions. Generally the Rs go up during theirs and the Ds go up during theirs. Ds have not gone up at all, and I don't expect they will. Sanders threw his whole revolution under the Hillary bus, and she backed over it a few times. Hiring Wassermann-Schultz was the most idiotic move possible for Hillary to make on Monday, and what did Hillary do? This added to a massive decline which was already in progress.
FWIW I'm not a Trump supporter either. I would rather have had Paul or Carson. Neither perfect, but both real conservatives who believe in the Constitution. The Republican party messed up big time, trying to put in a phony puppet in Bush and then panicking when the people didn't play along. They don't have who they want, but they can at least recover. The RNC actually supported the people's choice despite him not being a true Republican. That was a smart move given the climate.
The Democratic party and Hillary are still train wrecks in progress. It's actually just as fun to watch as the Republican side was. The difference is that Hillary was not wanted by anyone except for Hillary and the Party. Unlike her Husband Hillary sucks at faking it. The Democratic party didn't care and put her up anyway, cheating and lying as much as needed to get her wedged in. The people are pissed, and that is the theme of this whole election cycle (for both parties).
It's funny to keep listening to the paid for media claim that Sanders people are all going to vote Hillary. Not one group I have read or talked to will vote for her. She is the reason people supported Bernie to begin with, people are tired of the corrupt politicians working for the mega wealthy. Trump may be wealthy, but he's the smaller enemy on the field. The best hope the Ds have is that all the Bernie supporters stay home. Many are so disenfranchised that they will, but others are so pissed off they will vote for Trump.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Just imagine what happens to the mindless morons in BOTH parties who despise him and to the armies of mindless bureaucrats who infest Washington DC.
The whole place would go into meltdown mode over a businessman who goes in there and points out the insanity, exposes the incongruities, and challenges the bogus claims that the political class are entirely dependent upon.
The guy points out that IF the Russians are the hackers, as the Democrats in DC claim, then they might have copies of all the e-mails Hillary deleted before wiping her servers to obstruct federal investigators then they ought to release them to us. He highlights that there cannot be a national security problem because the Democrats have insisted for the past year that there was no national security info on them. Washington DC and the NYC press are going crazy, over this very rational bit of common sense!
Trump, as a non-politician business guy is used to asking for results, and asking logical questions and uncovering bogus excuses. Hillary's excuses are as flimsy as a "dog ate my homework" claim and Trump would see right through it if an employee showed up at a meeting with that sort of garbage, so being a non-politician he called her out on it, indirectly by tying her claims back to the claims of her DNC buddies and exposing the logical fallacy.
The man is BRILLIANT!
So you don't think the Republican candidate for the Presidency of the US inviting a foreign power, one that is at the best of times in a rather tense relationship with the United States, to hack into US systems just to gain dirt on the other party's nominee is reasonable?
It's obvious to a native speaker of English (who isn't astroturfing the Democrats' talking points) that Trump was NOT inviting the Russians to initiate a new crack on his opponent's servers.
He was ribbing his opponents, and keeping their lax security (and their "The Russians are aiding him!" attempt at distraction) in the public eye, by pointing out that the Russians probably ALREADY have the emails that Clinton's people "can't find", and inviting them to dig them out of their own archives and provide them to investigators and/or the press.
People claiming he is inviting new espionage don't just look foolish. They also play into his hands, by keeping the issue in the face of prospective voters.
But feel free to continue. B-)
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> The Russians largely created the corruption scandal. It appears that some of the emails may have been tampered with, and the timing of the release is clearly intended to interfere in the US democratic process.
I have marked the parts of your statement where your bs is most obvious. Also, yes the timing is clearly intended to interfere, we know that from Assange already.
The Trumpster has Democrats all across America insisting that the size of Hillary Clinton's yoga pants are a vital national security secret!
That does it! I'm voting Trump! The super-troll who trolled the entire Democratic party who trashed and sobotaged Bernie!
She says the the stuff she wiped was about yoga, then cliams the hacking is by Putin, then when Trump calls on Putin to hand over copies of her emails she and her followers all scream that the stuff is classified and Trump is risking national security.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. Team Hillary is staffed with morons.
Trump reminds us Nazi Hitler. Hitler first made bogus peace with Russia, Italy and Japan but finally was destroyed. Trump has German origin and may be he is related to Hitler? His bizarre behavior is enjoyed by stupid Republicans, will kill all of us, but there are enough Koch brothers to prevent it. After all, they don't want Russia to take away their wealth. So, let us enjoy the joke and drama.
The Russians didn't create it, at most they broke it. The DNC fucking created it when they were shown to have actually been engaging in conspiracies that the conspiracy theorists alleged. Your party is totally and completely corrupt, and you are going to vote for her come November.
Of course not. What they haven't explained is why they didn't prosecute Karl Rove and George Bush for the TWENTY-TWO MILLION emails they deleted from their illegal server in order to conceal their involvement in illegally firing several prosecutors who refused to serve as their pawns by selectively prosecuting Democrats.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Well, the 'opposition' candidate received 1 million in USD speaking fees from Russia, and in turn agreed to give Russia 20% of USAian Uranium reserves. Pres Obama has just about allowed President Putin to put his dick in his mouth over and over and over again. We have no opposition. Wake up the USAian political process has been hijacked by foreign powers. It has been so for a very long time. No matter who you vote for you are making a vote for Russia, China, and Mexico. None of the political candidates give a fuck about the citizens of the USA. But the media keeps us divided by harping about racial differences, and Islamic fundamentalism. When the White European subjugated the indigenous cultures of the Americas they divided tribe against tribe. In a similar way the media (which is heavily invested by foreign nations) keeps harping about the evil (republicans | democrats) who want to rape puppies, and kill old ladies (depending which side of the imaginary spectrum you fall on)
in russia or China, or Mexico they know who the enemy is. They are united in their desire to better their county. In the Disunited States we all hate each other depending if you are white / black / republican / democrat. Who created the situation? The Media. Who owns the media? To a large extent it is foreign investors. So keep hating your fellow US citizens. The wealth of Mexico, China, and Russia depend on it.
Yes, and they gave them to the state department, so it could do its own "investigation" of itself. They will never see the light of day. We actually depend on Russia for transparency from the democratic party.
Its in her fucking email, David. The ones that were released. Get your head out of the vat of koolaid before you drown.
asking a person who already committed a crime to hand over the ill-gotten gains, as evidence. The hacks already happened. Hillary's servers were scrapped long ago, and the files she deleted were files she created on the taxpayer's dime and time and were the property of the taxpayers who have every right to the evidence.
How about selling 20% of the nations Uranium reserves for 1 million dollars in speaking fees. Is that treason? How about not controlling the borders of the United States and allowing a foreign army to invade the USA selling drugs, raping it's citizens, and spreading disease. Is that treason?
I do not believe any of these things would in your mind rise to the level of treason.
However if we turn the tables, and said that a tribe of Algonquin indians did the exact same thing, except it was not South Americans spreading disease, drugs and crime, but white Europeans, you would say that was deffinately treason, and that whatever Chief decided not to fight those evil whites was indeed guilty of a crime. I would also say that if it was the Bush family tradin with the Nazi in WWII you would say it was treason, but not now because some of the scoundrals are democrats, and the nation is so divided between left and right.
That's from last year, idiot. Go read the final congressional report and learn something that's actually true.
No, we should be killing them everywhere we find them. They would be perfectly happy to kill us while the democratic party ignores them.
Donald is on his knees, ready to go to work.
Cheney did no such thing. It was Richard Armitage at the state department who outed her. And because of the fact that it was know early on in the investigation and he was never charged its pretty clear outing her was not illegal.
I think Russia already has them all, siphoned off before the server was shut down. Several security experts are fairly sure that Hillary's server was hacked: it was a defective version of Windows IIS which was never properly patched, and security was incorrectly configured, so it would not have been difficult for professionals. Everybody in the world except American citizens have read her e-mails, why can't we? Oh, and until Trump suggested Russia start looking for them, there were no secret emails, nothing classified, just stuff like wedding plans and yoga class schedules. Now it's a matter of national security for Hillary?
What are you smoking? Richard armitage being the leaker is undisputed common knowledge.
This is such fucking bullshit. He did NOT phrase it clearly, I grant you, but anyone watching should have been able to see he was suggesting IF the Russians or Chinese, or whoever had the emails, they should look on THEIR computers to "FIND" the missing emails.
I had a sucky sig.
Secede, plz
Yea hes so stupid he somehow, on his own money, with no involvement in politics, against the wishes of his party, through a nonstop assault on him, is now leading in polls. What an idiot.
Sure he does. He signs a law taxing remittances to mexico at a 90% rate. Done.
If you're right then surely this merits an investigation. Oh wait... there have been NINE already that all came up with nothing.
I can predict he'll start isolationist trade policies (his only consistent position for 30+ years), that he'll prefer Putin to our historic allies (he's been working on Putin for Trump Tower - Moscow for 15 years), that he'll poison our relationship with Mexico (at least offically and for the length of his presidency), that he'll cause a crazy debt default incident (the Republicans already went half-way, and he's never said anything indicating he understands what works well for a casino doesn't work well for a country).
Is that sufficent?
And,yeah, Clinton's no prize. But if the worst that happens is she takes a few million bucks to pardon a tax cheat who already fled to a non-extradition country or gets eaten out in the Oval Office, I honestly don't care about those scandals.
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Well, they didn't come up with nothing. They came up with patterns of incompetence and knowledge that we (as in Clinton and Obama as well as our intelligence community) knew it was a terrorist attack instead of some protest over a movie the night it happened (before the movie claim). This was illustrated by Hillary's email to Chelsea stating an al qeada stile attack and comments from witnesses and department heads. We know that the decision not to send a rescue team was a political one based on appearances instead of any logistical problems.
That may not mean much to you but it says we acted callously with regard to the safety of our diplomats because of political reasons which shows extreme incompetence to me.
The fact that you keep bringing it up and saying we found nothing is sort of telling. It somewhat says you think the same but feel the need to gloss over it. And the reason there was 9 investigations instead of just one is because the administration (not necessarily Hillary) kept stonewalling and facts were being discovered after the process was winding down including facts revealed by the eventual release of Hillary's email. Or in other words, the administration want it stretched out through multiple sessions of congress for whatever reason. Given what we know, it was likely a shrewd political calculation too.
No at all. "The Facts of Live Are Conservative" is a well-known meme.
Leftist Collectivism generally leads to destruction in the long term, because it is predicated on the idea that the State (which means politicians, bureaucrats, plus supporting., academia, and media of the modern world) know how to live your life better than you do. That is why the Left (Modern 'Liberals') intend to micro-regulate every aspect of your life.
The Classic Liberals of the political Right want to resist Collectivism and prefer Individual Liberty where individuals decide what happens - which is why they call for "Limited Government". Of course, the Collectivists don't want you to understands this - they need you to believe they are more competent than you in running your life and you should cede your money and liberty to them - for the "common good" (which means, opulence for the elites, and scraps left for the commoners).
If you want to be a Borg drone enslaved in the Collective then fine, but don't threaten State force (eg. threat of imprisonment or worse for not following the dictates of the globalists) against those that don't !
Shhh.. Let them keep thinking that. Shits gonna be hilarious come November.
Fuck you, die nigger.
Just kidding.
Except that never happened, you stupid motherfucker.
He invited them to release the emails they already stole.
Holy shit was that joke over your head or what?
I'm voting for Trump because the mental meltdowns will be fucking hilarious to see.
I can predict he'll start isolationist trade policies
Which is just a lot of talk and not much else. A president isn't a king. He has to follow the law. Especially Trump, because he won't have allies in the press actively hiding information that might be bad for his administration.
that he'll prefer Putin to our historic allies
Like the current President prefers Iran over Israel and Cuba over the UK. But, again, mostly talk.
that he'll poison our relationship with Mexico
Our relationship with Mexico is valuable to Mexico. How valuable is it to us? Since Mexico has less to offer than the benefit they receive from our "relationship", they're hardly in a position to hold a grudge over some meaningless talk and the US deciding to secure the border.
that he'll cause a crazy debt default incident
Good. The last one of those helped slow down runaway spending. It was the end of the world for about a week though. I'm sure there will be a lot of pearl-clutching and dramatic gasping and head-shaking by people who think it makes them superior to the rest of us.
Is that sufficent?
I'm not panicked yet. Keep telling your stories though. It's fun to tell stories.
Well, for one thing, I can still openly say precisely what I think of our leaders in Washington without fear that I might face retribution.
Like Catherine Englebrecht thought she could?
Presidents don't get to unilaterally change laws.
"Translation: I'm ignoring the idiocy of Trump's statement, and inventing a rationale that allows me to not feel like a contemptible moron for supporting the man."
Have you heard of the word "rhetorical"? Or do you use Google Translate for all your professional communication needs? Non-disclosure: I'm neither a Trump fan nor a hater.
30,000 illegally missing emails and you're still considering voting for this person? Holy shit! That's plain corruption, she should be in court for this...
On his own money? I think if you dig you will find there is a lot of russian money behind Trump.
After several failed ventures, a lot of what Trump has been doing has been backed by russian investors close to Putin.
Putin has been rather clever, funding and supporting the far right anti Eu parties in Europe. Would you believe Nigel Farage is a great admirer of Putin too.
Perhaps that explains some of his actions such as going into the EU Parliament after Brexit and after saying we must all act like adults launch into a childish attack on EU Parliament members saying things like "you lot have never had a real job in your lives".
It's been over 50 years since russia had burgess philby maclean and blunt is it likely that there hasn't been other recruits put in place since then to do damage to Britain Europe and the USA?
If you look at Trump and Farage (and possibly their wives have you seen where they are from),
Consider their destabilizing influence on Europe and the USA which favours Russia. For example Trump has already said that he wouldn't support NATO members from former soviet block countries if Russia was to invade them.
It isn't easy to provide proof that these Politicians are working for Putin but their actions seem to be firmly in the interests of Russia. Nuclear weapons make a regular war to be out of the question but an Economic War can be played out and Putin seems to be winning it with the use of well placed actors in his enemy's camp.
Is it likely Russia has agents working in the US and Europe? Would it make sense that Trump and Farage are agents? That both are wreaking havoc in Europe and the USA is clear, how they can be stopped is not.
Are we at war and don't even recognise it's taking place?
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I would have gone with something old and regurgitated like "The ends justify the means".
But you sir, you reduce something eloquently to its core essence moreso than most of us already do.
Bravo !
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Stability
Mutual Economic Benefit.
Who benefits from the resurgence of an aggressive communist empire?
...both for Slashdot, and for the USA. Clearly, a majority of posters here have identified the story as the bull excrement that it is -- a DNC-media talking-point collusion, that has no basis in reality.
that foreign power does not need any invitation, thats implied in the power word
also trump statement is irrelevant since he was speaking about the stuff that have been already "gibsmedat" by the electronic ice-commies
one thing is clear when you see the age of all these politicians, electronic old men are the future!!!
so theres no space for hilldogg in the race until she shows us her penis and proves its a dude, or more like, a lizard dude
Yes, you cannot just interpret everything in "Mein Kampf" literally, it's obvious a lot of hyperbole.
Until it isn't.
If you don't take your politicians at face value, you are making a mistake for which you, and not the politician, will be accountable.
What's up with all those Erdoans lately? We had these "Mein Führer", "Il Duce", "El Caudillo" or just "Chairman" or "Comrade" cults in history and know what to expect from them. Nothing good.
Sounds like a form of Treason if true.
No, it sounds like a fairly typical Trump sarcastic joke/jab.
Which is why voting him into presidency would be treason. And make no mistake, there will be punishment. Unfortunately, not just on the U.S.
yeah, sure, putin is winning the economic war. apart from him being in such an early stage of winning that it looks exactly the opposite. but maybe russian economy has to get worse before it can get better - that's usually how it goes.
He keeps fawning on Putin. He is either an incompetent agent, or just an idiot that fawns on dictators.
Pres. Obama also said that there was "not a smidgen of evidence" that his IRS intentionally targeted conservative groups before and during the 2012 campaign season. Then people found evidence the IRS did just that.
Often, when people say there is no evidence of something, they're talking about what they think others can show, rather than what the truth is.
Cool, I'm voting for Hillary for the same reason.
Invited a foreign nation to assault US-Based computer systems.
He invoked Russia to start a Cyber war to help him in his political campaign.
Why do you think she has stopped at "technically chargeable", or even "enough to convict a normal person"? It only takes one hold-out to hang a jury, and she has excellent odds of finding at least one person on any jury who will refuse to convict her unless there is crystal-clear video evidence of her emailing marked-classified information to Vladimir Putin.
Should we congratulate you on learning how to lie by citing irrelevant numbers, or just remind you that Mark Twain enumerated the three kinds of lies long before you were born?
For example, despite your claim that "many more Americans died during those attacks than in Benghazi", PolitiFact (or at least the distilled version you linked to -- which doesn't identify its sources in any useful way) doesn't say that more than 4 Americans died in all those attacks. It says only that three Americans died in those attacks. A useful comparison would exclude attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan, where we were engaged in military activity at the time.
Because despite all appearances of illegality and wrong doing, she has yet to be charged with something to get in front of a jury in the first place.
Of course that is not good if done by a corporations but a future president it is aces. It instills trust and creates a roll model for future citizens.
rofl
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Well - no he didn't. He invited a foreign power to find something. Any assault or other intention attributed is purely in your mind. It is wishful thinking too as last we heard the server was permanently off line. However, there is already a presumption in the republican camp that the server was already accessed years ago so it is more likely he was suggesting they search through whatever documents they already have.
Either way, anything outside of looking for or finding something is all something the viewer has to read into the statement. I'm certain Russia might take it differently - perhaps even as a joke. It depends on what they read into it.
The WSJ page one headline is “Trump Urges Russia To Wade Into Race”. The lead sentence says Trump “invited Russia on Wednesday to Unearth some of Hilary Clinton’s missing emails from her time as Secretary of State, drawing sharp criticism that he was urging a foreign power to spy on the U.S.”
Now this is profoundly silly; we spy on them and they spy on us. Both countries treat spying as a crime when someone else is doing it and a necessary when they are doing it.
But what did Trump actually say? The WSJ uses a sophisticated way of hiding the actual quote; they put half of it at the end of page A1 and the rest after the jump on page A8. The aim of this traditional and widespread ploy is to make it unlikely that the reader will read the jump and be able to get the whole sentence. It is a surprisingly effective trick. The full Trump Twitter quote is buried in the following WSJ sentence: “Russia- if you are listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump told reporters at (Now the Jump to Page A8) his resort near Miami. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press”.
Upps! So Trump is simply noting the obvious. The Clinton server was probably hacked by multiple parties- the Russians, some Romanian kids and probably others. These parties have the missing 30,000 Clinton “Personal” emails which her attorneys say they would love to turn over to the Court for review but they can’t because they erased them from her computer after deeming them as “Private” (without actually reading the emails- they just looked at the subject line). Trump is calling their bluff. “Fine if you can’t find them I’m sure the Russians can give us a copy”. Then he takes a slam at the press which loves to call the dumps “dangerous leaks” but then proceeds to publish the texts to boost circulation.
The NYT gave the full quote on P1 under the headline “Trump Challenges Russia To Find Clinton’s Emails” with a sub-head “Urges Moscow to Spy on His Rival Amid Hacking of Democratic Committee”. Sorry guys, wrong verb tense. He isn’t encouraging them to spy (neither Russia nor the U.S. neads any encouragement). The spying was done months- maybe years- ago because all the emails were in an insecure server in the Clinton’s New York home. If there is anything incriminating in them, so be it. We Americans have a right to see them.
how can something be both intentional ("by design") and accidental ("gross negligence") ??
at this point you're just a mini trump, spouting word salad without a care as to meanings.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
If you thing saying, "Russia, I hope you find the missing emails" is to treason, you probably think saying, "I hope this person dies" is murder.
Who will rid me of this turbulent priest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.
I really like how you idiots keep ignoring that as SOS she had classification authority, and (again, as SOS) was in charge of the State Department yet you act like shes beholden to its rules when she gets to set the damn rules.
While it is likely that Trump was being sarcastic and using this is a media grabbing tactic to go after HRC (I'm not a fan of either and not American - so my views aren't relevant.
This is, however, a historical precedent on why having the leader of a nation state make off the cuff remarks is dangerous to peace.
Consider way back in 1770 when Henry the II was getting annoyed at the Archbishop of Canterbury because he was doing things the king didn't really approve of, Henry uttered those infamous words, 'Who will rid me of this turbulent priest.' 4 knights overheard and long story short, one dead arch bishop.
The impact of this was huge - even by medieval standards.
Now imagine a modern day scenario where a president who has a well known temper, lashes out against those who 'oppose' him, and isn't known to staying on message.
Terrifying.
"Omnis tuus capsa sunt inesse nos"
Prosecutors don't prosecute solely on the basis of "technically chargeable", dumass, so the fact that she hasn't prosecuted doesn't mean her actions were not "technically chargeable".
HC explicitly instructed her staff to "repost" emails without the previous-attached confidentiality "THIS IS A SECRET" tags.
She's a criminal that will not be tried, let alone convicted.
And despite all best efforts to the contrary, she WILL be the next POTUS.
Fuck!
Investigative journalism shouldn't care about what bullshit comes out of a press secretary's mouth during a dog and pony show (press conference). They investigate and report what people in power actually do, rather than regurgitating carefully crafted sound-bites from government/corporate spin-doctors. White house press conferences are useless or even counter-productive to that end. As such, losing the access that you are talking about has no negative bearing on the press performing its actual job. There are plenty of insiders that would love to undermine a Trump presidency by leaking damning information to the press.
What is it about republicans that makes them feel like it’s okay to commit any kind of crime, as long as it serves some other moral crusade they have?
Hacking is wrong and should be punished with jail time unless we’re doing it to attack the Democrats. Then it’s okay.
Lying is wrong and sinful except when creationists flat out lie to you about the evidence for evolution. Then it’s okay, because they’re on a mission to lead you to God by any means necessary, no matter how morally questionable those means would be under an other circumstances.
Those are all nice ideas, but when we have tens of millions of our own people who go hungry, who lack health care, then perhaps Europe should be spending more for its own defense.
Europe can afford all their social programs because most of those nations spend next to nothing on defense, knowing the US will be there.
I love how a link to Weekly World News got modded +5 Informative.
You obviously haven't read or seen what he actually said. The headline is factually incorrect.
I voted against Clinton and think she's a horrible candidate. While she may have exhibited patterns of incompetence and knowledge when dealing with embassy security, look who she's running against.
The guy who wrote The Art of the Deal said it was difficult working with Trump because he has a five minute attention span, and says he thought he was a sociopath even as he was writing the book. (Trump responded with a lawsuit.) Psychiatry professors are presenting Trump in lectures as a classic example of narcissistic personality disorder. The DSM V lists several mental disorders with symptoms that describe him perfectly. You can't pin him down on any policy, other than building a wall (across a 2000 mile border where the net traffic has started going south), dismantling the EPA, not allowing Muslims into the country, reforming the First Amendment so he can sue for libel, etc. It's mostly amorphous stuff about "hiring the best people", "making things work again", shutting things down "until we can figure out what is going on", etc. He can't keep a promise, abuses eminent domain to seize property, stiffs people once their legal fees would exceed the amount he owes, and runs scams like Trump University.
Are you comfortable being one tantrum away from a nuclear war? Ask any ambassador if they're more worried about Trump or Clinton. If you can't see all the red flags around this guy you must be a blind partisan.
So it's OK for a foreign power to hack US computers as long as Trump doesn't like the person they are hacking?
Wow, more proof that the republican-apologists are worse than the democrat-apologists.
The first two things Trump plans to do in office is:
1. Remove Obama federal appointees, install loyalists.
2. Reign in freedom of the press.
I won't Godwin the thread, but a guy in the 30's did the exact same thing in Europe. But how do you think the press will investigate him if it is a federal offense to do so?
All groups were under scrutiny. There was a huge influx of applications (Tea Party groups) something like a 10x increase. One person was what they usually had dealing with applications. There is some due diligence involved which was compounded by having so many applications. It should be noted that no one was denied exemption, except some Dem group.
If you really believe that there has been a voting free and without manipulation in Crimea - you're an imbecile. And your "Fuck the EU" disqualifies you as a serious discussion participant. I suppose you're one of those European right-wing nuts? Let me tell you something - go fuck up your own country. We don't need you.
... Hacking into a non-government server to retrieve details about a wedding and what to wear is not "an attack." .....
Well - it is. It is at least an attack on one's digital self-determination. It is also an unlawful attack to gain access to information that otherwise wouldn't be available to you. For years we are fighting against the governments intrusion into our digital lives. But it's not an attack if foreign governments hack us - personally or our representatives or companies? What's the difference between physically breaking into a house to read the printed documents and a digital break in to read digital documents? Do you regularly invite unknown Romanians working for Russia into you house or email server? Thinking about it - why not give us the location of your accounts so that we are able to "not attack" you?
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FTFY. Actually, I'd settle for his tax returns, at least for the moment.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Certainly Europe could pay for more of its defense. Japan should as well. I would certainly say our allies need a bigger stake in the game.
However,the idea of willy nilly backing out of arrangements which have had a stabilizing effect on the entire globe would be exceedingly foolish is such a thing were to come to pass.
How would doing so bring our own people healthcare or food?
Our society has such vast wealth that nobody really would need to be hungry or lack healthcare and yet they do.
Why?
Priorities.
We simply have set up society in such a way where this is allowed to be.
We have a free enterprise system where people are allowed to fall through the cracks.
We say it is up to the individual and not the government to secure their way in the world and as a consequence some will be cast aside.
The individual has responsibilities to manage their lives.
Pulling back from our alliances is to invite further chaos into the world and seems a poor way to have economic prosperity.
Chaos would put even more of our citizens under pressure perhaps. Less economic prosperity would lead to greater uncertainty for individuals and likely result in greater hunger and lack of healthcare.
Allowing aggressive players to resurge in the world to and be unchallenged would amount to capitulation.
We have seen such foolishness before.
The President can't "illegally fire" someone. That issue was settled back in the 1860s and 1870s with the impeachment of Johnson and subsequent court cases - that was essentially what his impeachment was all about, at least publicly advertised as. The Executive retains the absolute right to purge Executive Branch personnel.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
That would be treason and is punishable by death. I don't believe in the death penalty, but I heartily endorse it in this specific case!
Your tinfoil hat is on too tight. Bush didn't do 9/11 either...
In that case, you should start with yourself.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
If, as HRC claimed, there was nothing in the 30,000 emails, other than personal stuff, where's the danger? Or, could it possibly be that wasn't factual??? Oh, say it isn't so.
Just another day in Paradise
Please google treason. Clue: This isn't.
Just another day in Paradise
This is politics, guy. It's a dirty business sometimes, and that applies to both major parties. Mining the DNC emails, and perhaps forging some, is not going to give you a balanced view, because it's going to be designed to make the DNC look bad, and is going to ignore what is common practice. As Otto von Bismarck said, those who like sausages and laws should watch neither of them being made.
Is it really your opinion that a level of patriotism that disapproves of invitations to an unfriendly major power to commit felonies in the US and interfere with US politics belongs in 1958? I'd say a minimal level like that is perfectly appropriate for everyone.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
This is nothing more than the DNC/media distracting everyone from the hot story about how the democratic nomination was stolen from Bernie. The entire primary was a farce, but we'll just fire the chairwoman, and call it all good. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. This is not democracy, this is a coronation by a group of inside elitists, and the rest of you plebes can suck it up. We'll just point to Trump and scream about how everything is his fault.
Just another day in Paradise
Are you saying we shouldn't be killing terrorists?
I listened to his comments. I was truly shocked. At some point, it becomes not at all funny, and the great irony is that he calls Hillarhy a criminal, yet as far as I am concerned, with the utterance of those sentences, he committed high treason. There is a level at which they take this stuff very very seriously.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Yes yes yes. Whenever Trump says something so blindingly idiotic it always is handwaved away as a joke...
How can you post this and NOT suspect that your Kool-Aid has been lethally tampered with? When are you going to wake up to the reality that you're a rabid partisan hack?
Rabid.
Partisan.
Hack.
If any of those 3 words don't hit you as "offensive" or require introspection of some sort, there's something wrong with you. You're literally bitching and screaming that a presidential candidate uses jokes. They are fucking. jokes. you. fucking. idiot. The fact that you're feigning outrage, blathering on about "B-BUT WHAT IF HE'S NOT REALLY JOKING!?!?!?!" and on and on only screams that you've become an extremely unreasonable fuckwit that probably should consider a lethal dose of helium to save the country from your misguided vote.
If Europe can't defend itself, why should we do so?
Since when is it our job to spend our money to defend Europe from Russia?
Ah, so if a person is a victim of a bully, if they can't stand up for themselves, then truly, we should not aid them, as it is no problem of ours!
Seriously, the moral and economic analysis is already existent, and you're asking these questions? Why?
Morality says that the strong shall safeguard the weak, as does integrity. Not to mention America's own presentation of its public image.
It's also common sense and pragmatism. Letting another country dominate the world is not to our advantage, and by shielding others, we can in turn ask for them to aid us when our needs come due.
Those are all nice ideas, but when we have tens of millions of our own people who go hungry, who lack health care, then perhaps Europe should be spending more for its own defense.
Europe can afford all their social programs because most of those nations spend next to nothing on defense, knowing the US will be there.
Oh, is that what you think? That Americans are suffering a deprivation of food, or lacking in health care because of defense spending?
Hardly. America produces a surplus of food, America produces a surplus of medical supplies, and America has no shortage of idle hands that could be turned to healthcare if so desired.
It's not a matter of doing, or affording, it's a matter of choosing.
America's failings of its own? Europe could completely replace our defense spending, we'd still choose to neglect them. I suppose they could do something to amend our faults, but I can't think of any that you'd accept.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/28/... It was just a big joke and expert trolling. Just like the rest of his candidacy...
I Agree! The more I hear from the rump the more I feel he might be the spear I need to stick into the spokes of the wheels.
[b]"There comes a time when the smell of the machine become so Odious you have to lay your body on the gears and make It STOP!" [/b]
(Cheers to Mario Savio for saying that about the system at UC in 1964)
However,the idea of willy nilly backing out of arrangements which have had a stabilizing effect on the entire globe would be exceedingly foolish is such a thing were to come to pass.
Your mistake is that you think in 2D, Trump thinks in 3D...
If you honestly believe he'd just walk away "willy nilly" then you simply don't understand the situation...
He is placing an opening position in a negotiation, you never open with the "reasonable middle option", because you'll be forced to move from that. He starts with a far off position and works towards the middle.
what if the rump is really a pawn? someone so disgusting even shillary looks less dingy?
how else can she be assured to win? besides fiddling with the voting machines..
just listen to the exit polls and then compare to the count ^_^ don't ever forget the(S)Election in 2000!
the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.
So. If Hillary gave away control of 20% of US Uranium deposits to Russia whos leader has stated multiple times he wants to bring back the USSR (An Enemy of the US) in exchange for massive donations to the Clinton foundation, I would say that it meets the definition of "betraying ones country". Not that anything will ever come of it.
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
that is what is going on right now in Turkey. We Back that cluck! HIllary will .. she Likes war. Laughs about killing Kadaffi :(
quote cHillary " we don't have time for another national debate about obamacare. I will fund it with a tax on Passive Income!"
she is the worst evil thing to happen to ignorant gullible people.
Dangerous? Him joking about it won't cause the Russians to go back in time to when they could steal the emails from Hillary's server prior to deletion.
But it will show us how many people are so scared of Trump that they've stopped thinking. Fear is the mind killer.
Why not? Hillary thought is was reasonable to put confidential government material on her personal private non-government secured email server which Russia may have already hacked for all we know.
When has any country waited for permission to hack another? They aren't vampires. They're not waiting for an invitation from the man of the house to attempt to break in.
I'm more worried about our own country hacking us. I'd be willing to bet that the NSA has at least 2 copies of all her emails.
Ops, I shuld have usd the prevuwe but in.
"He's also said he wants to change libel laws so that he can sue reporters who say bad things about him - even if those things are true"
You mean like in the EU?
Ah, so if a person is a victim of a bully, if they can't stand up for themselves, then truly, we should not aid them, as it is no problem of ours!
You cannot help someone else if you aren't taking care of yourself first...
I'm sorry if your kids are hungry, but if mine are hungry I'm going to feed them first. Once that is taken care of, then I'll worry about yours.
Seriously, the moral and economic analysis is already existent, and you're asking these questions? Why?
Because I'm more intelligent than you, because you're an idiot to even post what you posted... That's why. :)
I would reply to the rest of your post, but why bother when you're unable to understand the situation as it actually exists?
So you don't think...?
It was a joke, it was obviously a joke. A joke made to make another point. Which intelligent people understood.
Slashdot, I don't so much mind the blatantly-whatever articles, but could you at least not make your bias so flamingly evident in the headlines?
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
You are bringing up different issues, implying I said things I specifically did not, and straying far afield from what the original poster stated and what I stated in return. He said "attack us" as in a foreign government attacking our country. That is light years away from invading a single person's privacy, and you damn well know it.
The last part of your emails is what I can only assume to be a rebuttal of the part of my post that says the Russians should, with all haste and justification, immediately start hacking all of Hillary's emails. The only problem with that is I never said that. I don't advocate for it in any way. YOU added that to what I wrote, from your own mind. I don't know what you have going on in your head that led you to this conclusion, but it's obviously affecting your ability to think logically and critically.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
Obama joked about using drones to take out the Jonas Brothers.
Are you going to try him for conspiracy to commit murder?
You. Fucking. Idiotic. Partisan. Hack.
How else are we going to find out what people in our government are doing? Wait for the press to tell us?
If you want the press to uncover -- instead of helping cover up -- what the government is doing, you should support Trump for President. The press will actually investigate and report on a Trump Administration.
really? because i'm still waiting for the press to report on what trump's investigators in hawaii found about obama's birth certificate. remember? the "unbelievable" stuff he told us they found? the press just left it hanging. inquiring voters need to know.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
So you don't think the Republican candidate for the Presidency of the US inviting a foreign power, one that is at the best of times in a rather tense relationship with the United States, to hack into US systems just to gain dirt on the other party's nominee is reasonable?
does anybody not think putin isn't shaking his head "i can't believe this moron is trying so desperately to be my friend. i am the luckiest SOB on earth"
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
"“Probably it was China or somebody else."
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
Your mistake is that you think in 2D, Trump thinks in 3D...
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Not even sure what this really means. I know of zero 2D thinking in our 3D universe.
We are all 3-D thinkers since that is what we live in. a 3D world.
If you honestly believe he'd just walk away "willy nilly" then you simply don't understand the situation...
He is placing an opening position in a negotiation, you never open with the "reasonable middle option", because you'll be forced to move from that. He starts with a far off position and works towards the middle.
Perhaps you could be correct, but I think it is either very transparent bluster on the part of Trump that will soon be found out for what it is... nonsense. Either that or it is in fact Trumps expression of wanting to move in a more isolationist manner with the US. To me it seems that neither is actually all that effective behavior for a Superpower. We must keep our big boy pants on and man up to our role in the world. Superpower adults don't whine and throw fits.... 3 year olds like North Korea do.
Is it I who don't understand the situation? Or is it you? I'm not sure you are privy to Trumps thoughts any more than anyone else... but if you think you have a bead on the situation or are able to divine what Trumps thoughts truly are, then go ahead an believe what you will. I am just dubious. He spends a lot of time saying what people want to hear in many contradictory directions. He is a man of the moment and a man of fluctuating mood. He will say what is on his mind now and may say something entirely different when his mood changes.
I view Trump as a simpleton in the matters of nations.
Being a businessman does not make a person de facto good at governance of a Nation. A nation and a business are not equivalent entities. A business can be run much more top down than can a republic. In a business, the vision and guidance of the owner of said business determines the direction the business goes.
Anyhow... you apparently like Trump from your lauding of his amazing 3D thought process. From my perspective, I suspect he would be a horrible leader. Never has someone with so little understanding of the governance of a Nation been on the cusp of being elected to a post he is so ill equipped for. The US has never elected a president with no experience in the political arena. Franklin would likely be appalled.
However, if Trump is elected which he could easily be, it will make for some interesting times. He will likely be displeased with constantly having to tussle with an unruly legislative body that is likely to give him nothing but grief. I'm sure he will revel in how powerless the president really is. He will have to rely on a lot of people to get things done because he really won't understand much of it. But empty vessels such as him will get filled up by someone. The nation will move forward no matter who is elected.
Hopefully, will Trumps election be of benefit to our Republic and for the betterment of the lives of all of our citizens. Or will he like all elites push for laws which benefit primarily those like him? I think his is likely to push for things that benefit him the most and the debt of our nation will soar. It will certainly be an interesting roll of the dice.
I don't think either of the current candidates is very good and would rather vote no confidence. That way we could get some better options.
Gary Johnson for me is the most interesting candidate although he is also a bit of a question mark as to what he would do. I am interested in hearing more of what he has to say as the campaign wears on.
Is it possible the reason we have not heard of those tragedies is that unlike Benghazi, no one in power lied about the circumstances in order to minimize the political fallout?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/us... The legal definition is the only one that matters. It's defined in the Constitution.
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
We are not at war with Russia. They are not a declared enemy. Nobody has ever been charged with treason under lesser circumstances.
Just another day in Paradise
She could be a liar. There are liars out there. She could also be misremembering what was said to her in an extremely high-stress situation. That happens. Ask a police investigator about the testimony they'll get from several honest witnesses about something they saw. It's quite possible that everyone talking about this believes they're telling the truth. What we've got is several after-the-fact statements about extremely emotional conversations with no independent record, and so we can't know what actually happened.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Not even sure what this really means.
Of course you don't, because you think in 2D...
I know of zero 2D thinking in our 3D universe.
No, you ONLY know of 2D thinking, you just mistake it for 3D thinking...
Actually, no, we live in a 4D world... if you prefer, you think in 3D while Trump thinks in 4D.
Feel better now?
I view Trump as a simpleton in the matters of nations.
Of course you do, because you're a simpleton, thus you can only see the simple view of such things...
Trump is where he is and you're where you're at because he is better at this than you are...
The DNC is not totally corrupt, and their degree of corruptness isn't all that relevant to the actual Democratic candidates. I think Clinton will make an excellent President, and that's why I'm going to vote for her.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
My apologies. I was going along with the general tone of the thread, which implicated the Russians. I have no independent information on who got the information.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
The accusation was on Facebook, and I don't feel like wading through all that stuff again to find it. It wasn't from what I consider a trustworthy source.
However, we do need to consider the possibility. I hate to disillusion you about human nature, but people who commit felonies are not always completely honest and truthful, and upstanding felons who release material for political purposes might be suspected of changing some of it to enhance the impact.
And what do you mean by "the truth"? There are lots and lots of truths out there, and it's possible to be pretty darn deceitful while sticking to the truth. Revealing a certain truth, but not others, can be done as a lie*. We know that the DNC misbehaved. What we do not know is whether this is normal or exceptional behavior. Politics is an ugly business sometimes.
*Feynman was in a fraternity once, and it was suspected that a member of the fraternity had stolen a door. (I don't think it was explained, in my source, why Feynman stole the door.) The fraternity officers went down the line, asking members if they'd stolen the door. When it came to Feynman, he said, "Yeah, yeah, I stole the door." The response was "Shut up, Feynman, this is serious" and the questioning continued.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
I do know the legally defined charge of treason in the US, and Trump has, to my knowledge, done nothing that meets the definition. The statement we're discussing is, to my mind, unpatriotic and disloyal, but those are not crimes. Regrettably, I don't find his statement to be surprising or unexpected.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
I thought Trump was supposed to be FOR working class ‘mericans and yet he proposes a plan to outsource our espionage and put ‘merican spooks out of work?
What’s next? Will he require that extraordinary renditions be performed by Tata contractors now? Will ‘merica trade away it’s position as the world’s foremost authority on torture just to save a few measly bucks?
For shame.
I guess nobody saw the press conference where he said this AS A JOKE. The server was wiped clean and the machine was destroyed a long time ago. His joke was that the Russians AREADY HAD the emails because of her p1ss poor non-security. So whats worse - the russians send them or the russians don't send them? They supposedly only contain emails about her Yoga and wedding planning. This entire "story" is just a sign of the desperation on the left.
Where are my mod points when I need them? Trump is just feeding more half truths to the media, and getting attention as a result. This re-enforces the beliefs of his base, and feeds the flames on the anti Hillary crowd. The Republicans have done a very good job of whipping up the anti Hillary rhetoric over the last four years, making this kind of thing easy for who ever was nominated. Trump just takes it to a lower lever than most.
The Russians are doing us all favor, by hacking our systems and showing it to the public.
It wakes us up, and gives us a chance to fix the leaks before we actually lose critical operational info.
Now if they would just hack the Republicans, too... 8-)
(And maybe a few big companies.)
No, but I'm completely in favor of you Russian-paid trolls shutting the fuck up due to your idiocy. Treason? Get the fuck outta here with that shit.
The incredibly, deliciously ironic thing is that despite Clinton's crazy-high unfavorable ratings, shes going to win the election and it's going to be the efforts of trolls like you that turn the tide. I mean, people don't really like Clinton, but they HATE foreign powers fucking with their democracy.
This comment is my opinion and does not represent an official position of Donald Trump or others I do not work for
Yes, asking enemy to invade your country is great way to do internal politics. You know what is the word to call it? The fact that it is computer only doesn't change anything, nowdays everything is done on computers and wars are started and fought by propaganda on computer networks too.
Another problem with such "services" from your enemy is that it only provides what suits the enemy. And alters information the way it suits enemy too. Nothing new here really.
I know others like Trump. Any action is OK if it furthers their interest, where the same action is outrageous, immoral, and/or illegal if it retards their interest.
The thing is, those others aren't in a position to perhaps one day soon command the greatest executive power afforded a single individual on this planet.
We need change, but change is insufficient. Inadequate. We need good change.
If it was sarcasm in response to the deflection of Russia being behind the dnc email hack to favor trump, i don't think it would be either. If he thinks the Russians already have the emails and just need to do a search, it might be. If he wants Russia to hack U.S. infrastructure, it would be.
He says it was sarcasm.
lol...good point. They will scrutinize his presidency to no end!
Humor in the form of hyperbole. Even if the Dems are so humor impaired as to take it seriously, what Trump was asking for is the release of e-mails the hackers already have because they were capturing everything that ran over Hillary's unsecured connections the entire time she was circumventing the law. Still, a joke at the expense of Hillary.
Oh you mean how we're allowed to hack other nations governments and our own domestic computers secretly behind the scenes but suddenly when someone says it publicly it becomes treasonous?
Give me a break.
this is a major party nominee calling for another country to commit cybercrime and violate our national security for his own political gain.
If she's telling the truth, and all of the 30,000 deleted emails are merely about "yoga" and such, how would doing anything with them be a national security violation?
But she isn't telling the truth. I know it, Trump knows it, and you pretend to not know it.
that's essentially the same thing as officials in the presidential administration just giving the classified information to a journalist and encouraging them to publish it.
It is in no way the same thing.
When an administration leaks information, it wants the information to be published, and it puts thought into exactly what information will be leaked and to whom it will be leaked.
On the other hand, we know that some effort was made to keep the email server secure (about as well as a small two-bit IT firm could manage), and there were scared reactions when weird behavior made people think that it might have been hacked; and if it was hacked, the operators of the server had absolutely no control over which entities hacked it, or what subset of the stored information was exfiltrated.
Yeah, that sounds like "essentially the same thing."
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
There is no law requiring candidates to disclose their taxes; many have done it over the years to pretend to be "open", but the truth is that people like the Clintons who "release their taxes" actually have most of their money in multi-layered "charity" organizations, trusts, etc. Have you seen all the financial records of the Clinton Foundation? Though not.
This is just a DNC talking point.
Hillary is so opaque that she deleted tens of thousands of federal documents and claimed it was all A-OK because they were all about yoga and wedding dresses - and we must take her word for it, just as we must believe her on TPP which she worked to pass and used to say was the "gold standard" of trade agreements, now says she is against, and her people are telling Wall Street she will be for again after the election.
Technically, if they cannot charge you, it is technically not chargeable. Sure prosecutors can use their discretion but none has said that was the reason she wasn't prosecuted. Hillary was an investigator for Watergate for crying out loud. Do you think she doesn't calculate and understand the boundaries of the laws standing in her way?
Btw,
Was I being too facetious for you? You were right to get in a tizzy trope. It was what I was going for.
Donald Trump is a tool and a fool. I don't care where you are on the political spectrum, encouraging hackers to break into organizations is bad and irresponsible. Encouraging Russian hackers is doubly so. There's more than a little history between Russia and the U.S.
What's next? "Hey, ISIS is fighting Assad in Syria, GO ISIS!!!" How about this, "Hey, Boko Haram is against corruption in Kenya, YAY BOKO HARAM!!!"
You are known by the company you keep. What does this say about Donald Trump?
depends on context.
If you muse out loud on twitter "I hope this person dies" and you have 10 followers, which you all know aren't going to go murder people?
You're probably safe.
If you have a fanatical fan base of nutjobs that will do whatever you say whenever you say it. And you muse out loud "to your self" on twitter: "I hope this person dies" you *can* be considered partially responsible.
Imagine if the President of the United States mused out loud: "I hope Russia Hacks the USA" would you assume that meant nothing?
What about a guy 1 step away from the president of the united states?
How about selling 20% of the nations Uranium reserves for 1 million dollars in speaking fees. Is that treason?
Selling to whom? An enemy of the United States? If so, then that might qualify. If the buyer is not an enemy of the United States, then no.
How about not controlling the borders of the United States and allowing a foreign army to invade the USA selling drugs, raping it's citizens, and spreading disease. Is that treason?
Which nation's armed forces are you referring to? Are they an enemy of the United States? Is there an actual specific act of providing aid and/or comfort to them? If not, then no, that's not treason either. If the army of another nation simply invades our country then people are not automatically guilty of treason simply for not being able to keep them out. A soldier who is unable to repel an enemy advance, for example, is not guilty of treason. A soldier who aids an enemy advance is.
I do not believe any of these things would in your mind rise to the level of treason.
Well, the Constitution is pretty clear. You're welcome to start up a debate about terms like "enemy", "aid", and "comfort" if you'd like to, though.
However if we turn the tables, and said that a tribe of Algonquin indians did the exact same thing, except it was not South Americans spreading disease, drugs and crime, but white Europeans, you would say that was deffinately treason, and that whatever Chief decided not to fight those evil whites was indeed guilty of a crime.
Does this tribe of Algonquin indians have a legally-binding document which specifically and narrowly defines the crime of treason, or is this just an exercise in mental masturbation?
I would also say that if it was the Bush family tradin with the Nazi in WWII you would say it was treason
If the United States was at war with Nazi Germany and a US citizen was engaged in trade with them for profit (and thereby aiding the Nazis), then yes, I believe that would be treason. If that occurred before we declared war, then no, that would not be treason at that point. Are you beginning to understand the distinction or do you want to ask a few more hypotheticals?
Seriously, this isn't difficult. Treason is specifically defined, and it's not a long definition. I'm not trying to suggest that anyone is not guilty of committing a crime, I'm trying to suggest that Hillary is not guilty of treason, specifically. I'm sure there is a long list of crimes which she is in fact guilty of, but I don't think that treason is one of them.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Troll more, APK. While you're at it, you should also link to another thread which shows how much of an idiot you are.
Wait, you already did that.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Trump says something and has a detailed explanation later - mostly because no one would listen to a detailed explanation in the first place. His statements - even the crazy ones have a grain of truth in them - which upsets those against him like crazy.
Mexico will pay for the wall - the amount of money transferred by illegals already here is massive. You can tax that to pay for the wall or work out a better payment system by simply calling them. Mexico will not want to watch this money dry up and will work it out. This is before you even suggest trade stuff. Mexico would also benefit from a wall - so they may counter with a joint effort.
The 30k emails are part of our national record. It was illegal for Hillary to hide them - even if they were about yoga. The basic problem is she does not get to decide what is saved or not. It gets worse if you were avoiding a freedom of info request.
You know someone has a copy of these emails somewhere. They may still be seen.
Sounds like a form of Treason if true. Inviting a foreign nation tho cyber-attack America and/or Americans... can;t believe people actually are willing to vote for this piece of garbage
I can't believe anyone would consider voting for her either. Such a pathological liar and she'll surely be a despot. She's above the law after all. It'll only get worse.
Technically, they could have charged Hilary Clinton under the Espionage Act. Prosecutors have convicted others for less than what she did. Go back and closely read what Comey said -- he all but said the reason they didn't recommend charges was because they didn't have enough evidence to win a conviction from a partisan jury.
calling upon a foreign power to target his opponent by attacking federal government computer systems, though? That's much, much worse.
Um, the 30,000 emails that were deleted were never stored on a federal government computer system. That is one of the fishiest things about this matter.
Do you realize that the system they were stored on is now offline, and therefore impossible to attack? Trump realizes this, and that is what makes his joke funny. You don't seem to realize it.
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
Sorry, I thought I logged into Slashdot, not Daily Kos.
Trump's statement was clearly nothing more than a mocking of Clinton, not an actual request for Russia to intervene.
A trollbait post if there ever was one....
Actually building a wall could happen. The incentive is called universal conscription. AKA draft. Oh and this time females will get to join in on the fun. All you will be seeing is assholes and elbows running over the border. I borrowed that from a 1st SGT in reference to announcing there was going to be surf and turf at the chow hall for lunch. Canada will be busy tossing them back on our side too.
This is a poorly manufactured political story to reinforce the "Trump is a madman" theory. The server that once contained the Clinton emails is in the possession of the FBI and presumably no longer connected to the internet. When it did exist it was a private server of the Clintons in their New York home. The only reason it would have sensitive information on it would be because it was being illegally used to conduct State Department business by the former Secretary of State Clinton. The emails in question would be the ones that were deleted by Secy Clinton's lawyers as being her personal correspondence with friends and family. The story has more holes than four wheels of delicious Swiss cheese. It is an indication of the desperation of supporters of a deeply flawed candidate who claimed the nomination of her party by devious and probably illegal means as described in the emails of the DNC released by Wikileaks.
JoeR
... evidence for a partisan jury..
Yep. A technicality for sure.
Listen. I wasn't trying to say she is without fault, I was trying to highlight the similarities of how she is always trying to shoehorn loopholes to do what from a layman's view is a clear violation of the law and contrast that with evil corporations who appear despicable when they do it. Somehow Hillary is admired for this behavior while corporations are vilified. It is sort of the ultimate cognitive dissonance.
Well.... There's one way to de-escalate and chill-out some of the heated rhetoric between America and Russia of late, which the current Administration has seen fit to continuously escalate. These career politicians keep bashing Trump saying he's got no clue on how to handle foreign policy, and yet here he may just prove to be the best man to repair much of the broken relations we're experiencing with Russia. I can't tell if the man does it on purpose, or is just lucky as hell. Either way... He's got my vote.
What makes fucking retarded idiots like yourself think that comments like this does ANYTHING to help your cause? After reading it, I feel exactly the same about Trump as I did before, but I hate you much more. And no, it's not because of your political beliefs, but because you talk like a spoiled third grader with Tourette's Syndrome.
How many of those 39 attacks were blamed on Youtube videos?
Hillary killed Vince foster with the candle stick in the parlor!
She's the lesser evil of the two evils
Voting for Trump is a vote for pure, world-destroying chaos...
Don't even pretend that Trump's obnoxious behaviour is in anyway comparable to any previous candidate, red or blue.
All sides of politics get up to sneaky tricks, but Trump is an obnoxious bully that has no place in the White House. If for some reason he wins, we (us non-Americans too) are all fucked, make no mistake about that.
is it a clown???, a buffoon ???, no it's Donaaald
Sounds like a form of Treason if true.
How do we know? I mean he has no actual policy so do we assume everything he says is a joke/jab? When can we expect some real policies?
No, it sounds like a fairly typical Trump sarcastic joke/jab.
How do we know? I mean he has no actual policy so do we assume everything he says is a joke/jab? When can we expect some real policies?
(reposted to get the right quote in this time)
Meh. Trump has intentionally branded himself as being non-diplomatic. So this shouldn't really surprise anyone. At the same time him saying what he did really changes nothing. He mentioning China while being undiplomatic is also something that is obvious to anyone on Slashdot so I don't see how that can upset anyone. I doubt any of it is really true to be honest. However both countries, and in particular China, have had many accusations towards them in hacking, espionage etc... It is just that is publicly "said" it.
I'm sure if Russia did hack the DNC or Hillary it was probably just because of curiosity while watching the shitshow that is the American politics the last year or so. Kinda like someone might hack a network to see the next crazy episode of some reality show (which is probably way Trump is doing so well, he's figured out early that he can just treat this as a reality show which he has a lot of experience at).
Putin: OK I gotta know what happens next it's killing me! Russian Hackers Assemble!
Face it, Hilary Clinton plays her privileged elite card all the time.
Any regular person who conducted official, classified, business via an insecure private email account would be prosecuted and sent to jail. Any regular employee that deleted (destroyed) electronic records in defiance of legally mandated public record retention regulations would be censured and at least fired of not prosecuted and jailed.
You may disagree, but the blatant disregard for following the rules that the rest of us are forced to follow by the Clinton scam master couple has me seriously considering voting Trump for "Clown in Chief".
NRRPT/RCT
Have some manners! It's not polite to talk while you're eating your words AmicusNYCL https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...
Crimea. Syria. Putin wants Trump to be elected because he knows it will damage the US and the West. Funny how idiots so often do precisely what their enemy wants them to do.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
His assumption was spot on.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Switch on a TV in Russia and you'll see that it is already great. On all the channels.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
You think Trump is a dyed in the wool Republican? He opted for the party with the most fucking idiots. It's working wonders.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
hahahah
All humans think and reason using the same models of brain that evolved for our species.
Thus we all have the same general types of brains and thinking.
None of that has to do with 2D, 3D, 4D or Infinite D if you will
"Actually, no, we live in a 4D world... if you prefer, you think in 3D while Trump thinks in 4D."
Or maybe 5D if you consider space/time... so whatever. The point is all human brains are constrained by the same limitations of our evolution in the universe.
Trump thinks using the same limited brain we all have evolved on this earth.
What each of us thinks varies quite a bit based upon our experiences.
What you seem to be suggesting is that Trump somehow thinks beyond the capacity of mere mortals such as myself.
Would you say that Trump is a genius of unfathomable intellect? What might be evidence for such an assertion.
"Of course you do, because you're a simpleton, thus you can only see the simple view of such things..."
Ah... resorting to turning back a statement upon itself. I am referring to Trump and his vast lack of experience, history, political savvy, diplomacy, or any sort of metric that would make him anything other than a simpleton in such affairs.
You resort to generalized labelling of someone you know zero about.
Reflexive labelling of me in response to my opinion does little to lend any heft to what you say you must realize.
"Trump is where he is and you're where you're at because he is better at this than you are..."
And where is Trump at exactly?
How does one measure better?
What fundamental metrics are you drawing upon exactly.
Since you don't know me I would have to conclude that your statement is founded upon pure ignorance and fanciful thinking.
The CIA agent that wasn't undercover.
Fixed it for ya.
You don't solicit espionage via a news conference.
Sen. Edward Kennedy knew how to do it. When he wanted Soviet help to defeat President Ronald Reagan in 1984, he sent his close friend John Tunney to Moscow to represent himself to the KBG.
http://rick-kelo.newsvine.com/_news/2015/04/02/31782011-remembering-part-of-teddy-kennedys-legacy
She's the greater of two evils. She's demonstrated that in abundance over the decades.
Trump is just a Democrat that wanted to just get publicity and in spite of his best efforts to deep six his campaign, succeeded because we're all really really really tired of the PC bullshit. We've had Presidents just like him in the past, they did fine. BTW, he's not a king. There is Congress and such.
Not the end of the world unless Hillary gets in. She doesn't care about laws. She's above them and she's very good at being a pathological liar.
#DemExit
Use all the flowery language you want.
The red meat the Clinton Machine was throwing to the American Public is 'Trump is working with the Ruskies!'
Yep, it's a dirty business. The Clintons are a shitstain on this country.
Trump will start WW3 with his mental damage and god-godplex
Trump will start WW3 with his mental damage and god-godplex
He can't start WW III, it's already been started. Haven't you even noticed? Look at history, look at what they call a war and how it started. Obama will almost certainly go down as the despot that started it.
We aren't. And source on your allegation that Plame's husband was identifying her as CIA at parties...and if so, which ones. People with high security clearance actually do get together once in a while. Mentioning Plame's employer there isn't the same as blasting it out to the world, which is what those Republican traitors did.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Ah yes, you far-right religio-fascists republicans who have LOST , not just once, but TWICE to Obama, because in the choice between Obama or your candidate, the nation chose Obama over the hate and greed you preach. Nice to know you guys haven't learned a thing. THe only hope you have is that Hillary is Trump's opponent and BOTH candidates suck. This is the year for a third party to push hard and make a real run for it.
If you think I'm far right and religious - man, you really don't know me. Not religious and I'm dead center when I take political tests. Registered Democrat for well over 30 years. So to call me a religio-fascist, well that's just crazy.
We really really need to come together and save the country. Stop this name calling bullshit. Otherwise, we'll be just like Brazil or Venezuela, and other leftist countries that all fail when they run out of other people's money. Obama has been spending our money on the credit card like no tomorrow and that's intentional. Otherwise, you, me, everyone we know - we'll be slaves or dead. That's generally what happens.
High time to elect a third party candidate. I'm not a Trump supporter. However I'm a lot less of a Hillary supporter. She's just an above the law despot and liar. Even today lying about the e-mails that we all know were classified and above. That's pathological.
About fascism - a fascist is on the left, not the right. It's to the right of communism, however solidly to the left. Hillary is a fascist. Don't believe me? Look at her platform and look at the Nazi's platform of 1938. There is no difference. I know you won't of course. Threatens your world view. Look up fascist. Nearly everyone I ask, they can't come up with what a fascist really is. So far only one man has, and he's a history major.
Just read Obama's book, or have him read it to you because he reads his own book - "Dreams from my father" He lays it all out and he's done what he said he would in the book. Try to destroy the nation. "Fundamentally change America" - what do you think that means? Yea, men in the women's bathroom, bullshit like that. Not that it didn't used to happen, it all used to. He just made an issue out of it, as if there was a problem. It's all there in black and white if you bother to read it.
Seriously, if you don't think WW 3 has already started, you really need to look around. Look at the attacks. Look at the "refugees" that look a lot more like an invading force than women and children needing aid. Look at how they said they'd bring terrorism to America and they have. Clearly. There are thousands out there just waiting for the right time. Then they'll kill thousands and thousands and thousands of us. Unless we round them all up. Probably people like you, not me. I'm in the country. They like urban areas, especially gun free zones.
I don;t like either choice either, but Hillary is the lesser evil than that delusional egomaniac Hollywood-idiot Trump. I'm waiting for Nov, the day before election day when Trump announces it was all just a publicity stunt to hype him for his next reality show and drop out of the race.
May not take that long.
I'm willing to have a redo for both parties. Both of them have an unfavorable rating over 65%. Trump beat Hillary by 1%. Have a new primary without them, new convention in October... then election.
Maybe this is all just a bad dream of ours and we'll wake up shortly.