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Apple Launches the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus; Feature Water-Resistance, Lack Headphone Jack (www.bgr.in)
Apple on Wednesday unveiled its new flagship smartphones: the iPhone 7, and the iPhone 7 Plus. Both the iPhones look similar to the last year's iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus, but offer a range of new features. Chief among those features are water and dust resistance, stereo speakers, improved cameras (the iPhone 7 Plus has a pair of 12MP cameras that are able to take SLR-quality images. It offers bokeh capability). And yes, the new iPhones indeed lack the headphone jack. "it's the best iPhone we have ever created," Apple CEO Tim Cook said. The home button is getting taptic feedback, similar to that of the MacBook.
So why is Apple removing the headphone jack? Apple's SVP Phil Schiller said, "courage."The company also announced AirPods wireless earphones. A pair of these will be priced at $169. The iPhones will go on sales starting September 16 in several regions including the United States In places like India, however, it will be available starting October 7.
So why is Apple removing the headphone jack? Apple's SVP Phil Schiller said, "courage."The company also announced AirPods wireless earphones. A pair of these will be priced at $169. The iPhones will go on sales starting September 16 in several regions including the United States In places like India, however, it will be available starting October 7.
Here's hoping the rest of the market doesn't make like apple-obsessed sheep for once and make the 3.5mm headphone jack obsolete.
for privacy and using a jack.
i think trusting something that isn't easily verifiably not communicating is a bit naive these days.
It's crap. Pure crap.
People tend to criticize this site for being late with stories, but Apple announcements are one instance where Slashdot seems to trot them out before the paint even dries. They're still talking about features in the presentation right now and even the linked article mentions that there's still more to come. Why not wait for the dust to settle a little before rushing this story out?
dear slashdot editors.
please don't link to apples site about iphone 7.
you think I feel how you feel when I don't know what?
the most shocking announcement this afternoon. i really thought it would be $29.99
There's nothing here that would make me upgrade my phone. Water resistance? Who cares. No headphone jack is a net-negative.
But it offers bokeh capability!
What more would anybody want? You can get your bokeh right from the phone!
http://www.geoffreylandis.com
bokeh capability
So they take away the 3.5 jack, give us an easy-to-lose adapter, and want to sell us their proprietary wireless one-size-fits-none earphones. And they call it courage? Really?
Oh, but they have licensed out the wireless tech for a whopping 3 alternative headsets. I suppose that is supposed to appease us.
Yay, you can no longer listen to headphones at your desk and have your phone charging. Listen all day at the office, phone is dead for the walk home. GREAT Idea.
I'll be sticking with my iPhone 6S for years to come. Remember kids, never update your iOS past the next major revision after it was released. This ensures a long life and usability. I will stop at 10.0 to ensure slowness and battery draining doesn't kill my hardware prematurely.
OK 2017 will be the year of iPhone photos with bokeh effect. In all photos in all circumstances in all social media :)
It's wireless. Less space than Azure. Lame.
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"it's the best iPhone we have ever created," Apple CEO Tim Cook said.
Amazing, I think I will now purchase an Apple iPhone 7 device due to this declaration by none other than the CEO of Apple. I was content with my Nexus 6P, but that has all changed now. Thanks slashdot for letting me know about this statement in particular, time for the trip behind the woodshed 6P.
Nothing says performance like that!
Bokeh is a function of the lens diameter relative to the subject distance (and distance of other objects from the focal plane). For a given scene, cannot be created any other way other than a physically bigger lens. You know the penumbra during an eclipse (the area experiencing a partial eclipse during a solar eclipse)? That corresponds to bokeh. There is nothing you can do on the ground to enlarge this area. It is purely a function of geometry. (Mathematically, it's the point distribution function of the lens.)
You can fake it in software. I've been saying for over a decade that two small lenses with some lateral separation should allow an algorithm to estimate distance and blur the parts of the picture outside the focal plane appropriately to simulate bokeh. But it's not real bokeh, it's a digital manipulation.
I thought they were supposed to introduce wireless charging with this iPhone too...
the iPhone 7 Plus has a pair of 12MP cameras that are able to take SLR-quality images
Don't lie to me.
It has a tiny little sensor that assuming has perfect glass is just providing false magnification as the lens is a f/1.8 with a pixel edge size of about 1.2um (assuming the same size sensor as in the Apple iPhone 5S) but the diameter of the airy disk would be 3.7um. So the smallest item resolvable would fill about a 3x3 grid. Granted software can get rid of some of that but it isn't going to magically make it deliver results like a full frame SLR with good lenses.
While it is probably a better camera than most other cellphones (seriously these cameras are shit) don't say it holds a candle to an older full frame DSLR or even my 40+ year old film SLR that has some really nice lenses with good film.
Time to offend someone
I'm glad to see that they are improving the color spaces that can be displayed on their screens. Maybe someday we'll be able to have a true orange on our monitors.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Courage my fat fucking ass. They removed the headphone jack to SCREW every customer into needing to either replace ALL of their sound equipment, or purchase expensive ass proprietary dongles. That is the 1 and only reason, no, the headphone jack is NOT the reason your phone isn't a millimeter thick, it's because fucking technology has not got there yet, forcing all of my stereo equipment into obsolesce is not courageous. It's clearly a desperate move from a company that's losing marketshare everytime they check the numbers, a company that flat out refuses to actually innovate while promoting their stolen features from competitors who beat them to the market by years "innovation" is pretty fucking funny. But this is indeed innovation, it's an innovative method to fuck each and every customer into having to replace a bunch of shit that doesn't need replacing.
The existing earpods have a habit of falling from my ears - and now they're not even going to be attached to some wires? Great.
Exactly my point, the applefan boys will argue, but you've nailed it 100%, we used to point to apple as the definition of "planned obsolescence" but this.... this is just obscene. This is too much. This is beyond bullshit and every single braindead apple moron thinks its GREAT! YAY! static and bullshit for all, continually disconnecting earbuds for EVERYONE.. But don't you dare attach this to a non apple device, no sir, we're going to tax you for that buy licensing the pretend better bluetooth tech at ridiculous amounts.
is Apple marketing speak for, "We will now be able to sell you a whole new set of branded accessories that you wouldn't have otherwise needed."
Prediction: This version of the iPhone sells significantly worse than the previous two.
I like you, Stuart. You're not like everyone else, here, at Slashdot.
"It's the worst iPhone we ever created!" - Tim Cook.
No, I don't believe he would say that... so why would someone quote him for saying something so unbelievably stupid. I mean, actually replying with the word courage on how they screwed the pooch on analogue is pretty good. Basically, they can say anything they want and they will ship a bazillion phones. I suppose I bought my last one.
Great, now I get to hear the OTHER end of the conversation on the bus too :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMhwddNQSWQ - Weird Al - Dare to be Stupid!
Wireless charging was the one feature that would have made a clear, tangible improvement in the way I use and enjoy my phone. Really disappointed it wasn't rolled out this iteration.
Guess I'll wait for the 7s, it's sure to be on that one, right? Right guys?!
They are getting very old and can at least use some price cuts / ram / cpu / disk bumps.
n/t
You are welcome on my lawn.
The phone ships with an adaptor that gives you back the audio jack you could copy from if you wished... no more DRM than before.
It just ALSO gives you an improved audio path that provides power to headphones.
What is wrong with having an improved set of choices? More importantly what the FUCK is wrong with people like you who should be embracing technology, being steadfastly against any change?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Now Apple is making their technology less accessible. I know a dozen people who can't use earbuds, either because of the shape of their ears, or their need for a hearing aid. They tend to try a bunch of headphones until they find one that fits or works.
Personally I don't get it.
Loved it on my first generation Sony walkman.
Not so keen on them in the past 20 or so years.
Getting rid of it seems like a great idea... especially since so many phone makers already did it and Apple is merely following the trend set by others.
People need to get over the headphone jack.
Wires suck.
Wired headphones suck even more.
What's the big deal about lacking a headphone jack? Every phone comes with an adapter that plugs into lightning anyway. Or you can go wireless. Headphone jacks are old technology that you simply do not need. Your headphones still plug in just like they always did. It's like having a cow because your new car no longer comes with a spare tire. Get over yourselves.
How about a moderation of -1 pedantic.
The EarPods that ship with the phone are wired, just using the lightning port instead.
The new wireless EarPods you would have to buy, so if you don't think they will work, don't buy them. Personally I was worried about that also (while running the default pods will slip out of one ear) but the wireless pods may be batter, with the long stems against your cheek it seems like they would stay in better.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Schiller wouldn't know what courage was if it bit him in the ass.
Claiming a design change in a fucking PHONE is some sort of
courage is reason enough for me to never again buy anything Apple
sells.
Courage is putting your life on the line for others. Courage is not giving up
in the face of overwhelming odds. Courage is not anything to do with Apple or
any of its products.
Schilller, I'd spit on you if I ever had the misfortune to meet you, you fucking twerp.
and too much of it
So when other phone manufacturers blatantly copy something Apple has done, Apple is the bad guy for not sharing with the world; when Apple catches up to where others have been, they're sheep?
I'm sensing a double standard. And an idiot.
So how the fuck am I supposed to use my existing earbuds (which I just purchased) with the dongle while charging at the same time?
This is an absolute requirement so that I can watch Netflix without it draining the fuck out of my battery.
If you keep the adaptor on your headphones how is it any harder to lose than your headphones? That's what I'll do with the adaptor, put it on my backup headphones and call it a day.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
What is so difficult about making a standard headphone jack water resistant? Or is "water resistance" simply a distraction/spin?
I use my headphone jack constantly.
1. Headphones! I can't afford wireless headphones if I just dropped a bundle one a new phone, good ones cost a lot.
2. Stereo! Either my place or my friends I often play DJ and the headphone jack makes that possible.
3. Charging! So if I want to charge and plug headphones in i'm just sol? Not acceptable
I was waiting to decide what phone to get and Apple made that easy. Next phone will be an android.
Is that some bullshit hipster-ass marketing speak for "Depth of Field" or what?
Yup, ripped off from the Japanese in 1997.
Fucking marketspeak assholes.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
The word courage doesn't mean what you think it does.
Jesus, man.
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So don't buy their headphones if they don't meet your needs? It's not like they're removing Bluetooth or something.
What is it about Apple making accessories for their products that enrages people? Just don't buy the fucking thing.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
Do they still, like, you know, make and receive telephone calls?
I've consistently pre-ordered every two years to upgrade. The removal of the headphone jack has ended that. Looks like the included dongle does not support both charging and headphones at the same time (nor do the included lightning headphones). How am I supposed to plug the phone in my car for long trips to listen to music? Pure stupidity that they didn't think about the fact that people often need power while plugging in audio. If this goes for future iPads, same issue. Kids have headrest attached mounts, power and headphones for watching movies on long trips. Without power, they won't last long. Without headphones, parents will go crazy.
Then there is wireless headphones... First, the absurd cost. Second, why do I want one more thing to have to carry around a charger for? Third, if they fall out of my ear, there's nothing to catch them as they fall. Fourth, if I'm on a plane or elsewhere that I might fall asleep while listening, they'll turn off if they roll out of my ear (and also get lost). No, I have no interest in wireless headphones.
I have no problems with replacing old technology with better solutions. Lightning was a big upgrade from the old connector and functionally better than micro usb. It made sense. This change offer no improvements, and in some regards is a downgrade.
I'm not really crazy about UX on Android nor build quality of Samsung and others, but looks like that's my next phone.
Folks, before you mindlessly type your rant about the loss of a headphone jack: Things like this adapter are going to be everywhere - and include lots of market competition. Your 3.5mm jack will appear like a "dumb" phone in the blink of an eye. Remember, we have 6.5mm to 3.5in adapters for some of us, USB adapters for others, adapters for onboard-mic headsets, etc. This is just another in a long line of slight refinements on an idea. The 3.5mm connector itself is a changed standard. Think of video - we have countless adapters for generations of video, including proprietary nonsense from several companies, include Apple. Most people aren't going to care.
Cause I'd rather be able to use the $12 el cheapos from Target that work perfectly fine for several months until they get lost/damaged than $40 for headphones of similar quality that have "licensed" the wireless feature. This seems like a cash grab by apple. The first revision will have a free dongle, the next may not.
So why is Apple removing the headphone jack? Apple's SVP Phil Schiller said, "Screw you, that's why. We're Apple so if you don't like it you can go lick your sister." -- that's what he really meant.
So now, when I watch TV shows on Netflix while driving, I cannot charge my phone at the same time.
So when I get home, my phone will be almost dead instead of fully charged.
I guess this does require courage.
WTF
Apple calls it courage, I call it pathetic stupidity.
I use regular headphones/earbuds with my iphone all the time and have no intention to change that. I also am all set up to use my iphone playing music in my car using the headphone jack, and I use the same earbuds for my laptop and iphone when I travel to reduce gear clutter. Apple made a huge mistake with the new iphone this time, removing the headphone jack. I could buy a complete high-end android phone for the cost of the idiotic dongles and adapters Apple expects people to buy to use with the iphone as an alternative to buying new *everything else*. Does apple really expect me to buy some goofy dongle or a new car simply because my nice current car only has a headphone jack aux input? Pathetic stupidity.
What is it about Apple making accessories for their products that enrages people?
Mainly I think it's the thinly veiled attempts to paint this a pro-consumer and labeling it as "courage". It's true though, pretty courageous to screw that many people.
I replace my phone battery every year, and expect it to last at least 2 days without a charge in case I forget to charge at night. iPhone is a toy until it meets basic use cases. I bet they can't read my SD card either. How the fuck do people remove all their private data to cross the border if it's not SD removable? Bah, it's a toy.
The 3.5mm headphone jack standard... isn't.
Even after you set aside the issue of cheap manufacturers releasing shoddy products, you're still left with the fact that there is no actual standard dictating dimensions, number of contacts, location of contacts, size of contacts, separation distance between contacts, etc. Different manufacturers can and do make them slightly differently. More crucially, there's also no validation authority to check that your products meet all the specs.
Let's just take the most obvious dimension: 3.5mm. For ages, those phone plugs were advertised not as 3.5mm, but as 1/8 inch (3.175mm). So if you wanted to make something compatible with a "1/8 inch" plug, you might get your dimensions wrong. Apply this principle to every other contact's position and size on the plug, and you can see where this is going.
Moreover, some phone plugs have five contacts (Apple's own, for example). The "meaning" of each contact is not standardized -- that ring in the middle may be microphone input, or the contact switch (answer/hangup) on the cable, depending on who made it and what it was intended to be plugged in to. Further, if the rings in your cheap knock-off aren't lined up with the socket contacts, then bumping the plug could cause the socket contacts to short across the rings, which would get interpreted as a button press, and your call gets dropped.
The result of all this mish-mash was the Apple engineers found designing a (cost-effective) headphone jack that worked reliably with all headphones and headsets one might encounter in the world was simply impossible. You couldn't position the contacts in such a way that they would never short across two rings (some idiot may have placed their rings very badly). You couldn't know ahead of time which contacts did what, and probing at insertion time was fraught with other perils, especially if your contacts created a short across two rings. Despite their extensive research and massive efforts, they still got tons of support calls about how someone's cheap-ass headset didn't work in what has long been assumed to be a standard phone jack.
So my theory is: They declared the problem insoluble, yanked the phone plug, and designed a new digital interface.
An adapter for "3.5mm" stereo headphones will almost certainly be made available. Yes, you still have the compatibility problem with other "3.5mm" devices, but now the problem is in a $30 adapter, and not a $750 phone. It will be interesting to see how liberally Apple licenses their connector so that third parties can also furnish adapters.
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I'll be sticking with my iPhone 6S for years to come. Remember kids, never update your iOS past the next major revision after it was released. This ensures a long life and usability. I will stop at 10.0 to ensure slowness and battery draining doesn't kill my hardware prematurely.
Not necessarily endorsing your strategy, the update decision depends on the specifics of your CPU and more importantly the amount of RAM. Phone model is too crude an approximation of CPU/RAM, some will do 2 major upgrades no problem.
.0 is foolish. Its likely .1, .2, etc will include performance and battery improvements. You will most likely be better served going to whatever the current version of 10 is. Its the major upgrades (x.), not the incremental (.y), that sometimes hurt performance.
More importantly stopping at a
Plus there is the whole security upgrade thing.
It is stupidity. We already struggle to keep up with the iPhone battery. Now we'll struggle also with the wireless earbuds. Yes, it's stupidity. iPhone 8 will sport back the 3.5mm socket.
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These examples you speak of are simple adapters (wires). This situation is not just an adapter, but a DAC. It converts a digital signal to analog. The lightning port does not have analog audio output. Depending on which one you buy, maybe it does it well, maybe it does it poorly. An adapter is easy to get right, almost any brand will do, don't even think about it, just grab one off the rack. For a DAC, you now have to do your research before buying it, and your search results will return wave upon wave of cheap knock-off crap from China. Ever shop for a USB charger? Like that.
So,
lets get this striaght.. Apple is ditching the headphone port to drum up another revenue stream.
More products that are intended to be elitist tward the Apple name will flood the markets..
More and more people wil begin Apple cliques more and more, they will isolate them selves, claim superiority, and begin the assimiliation process (spelled right look how its used)
so Apple is not selling phones, they need more revenue to please the share holders and to screw more people in their maunfacturing towns...
Courage,, nope more like desperation..
look @ the numbers.. Android products seem to last longer, roll off the line with less issues, and generally have a better look, feel, capabilities, and user acceptance..
Apple products seem to cost more, do less, last shorter then their competitors, and seem to potentially cause more issues(wi-fi/NTP/1969)
Apple owners seem to be closed, etc..
I gotta go, cant waste any more time on this..
Nope, they needed the cubic mm inside the case for.... well.... a 3rd camera? Really? I smell a rat. This was to make the headphone connector proprietary and allow them yet another shot at licensing dongles.
Absolute brilliant move, Apple!
By removing the headphone jack, they have ensured that people and media are so busy being upset that they fail to notice that there is nothing relevant new with the '7.
"What is it about Apple making accessories for their products that enrages people? Just don't buy the fucking thing."
What is it that makes this so hard to get? No one complaining probably cares what Apple does or does not do, in as much as it relates to Apple. The concern is that Apple is the 10000 lb gorilla and whatever they do, good or bad, has a good chance of being copied by every other manufacturer desperate to move another 1000 units. What they will ignore is that the iPhone addicted people that have locked themselves into the Apple ecosystem can't stop themselves. Those buyers will rationalize this change (loss) because they WILL buy another iPhone by God! The other manufacturers tend to take it as a sign of customer approval that iPhone sales will continue to be strong, not as what it really is, a sign that Apple customers will take whatever they are given.
The iPhone 7 looks awesome, but I'm waiting for the next version, where they integrate the 3.5mm adapter into the phone to provide a seamless and magical listening experience. Now that would be innovative!
I'm seriously laughing at how Pokemon Go on the iWatch actually warranted a bullet point. The fad has already started it's downhill slide.
As Apple pointed out there are already lightning earbuds that exist today. They work with all audio.
In fact over time more and more audio feeds have been exportable from Apple devices as AirPlay support expands.
What you are arguing about makes as much sense as saying I shouldn't go outside because I could get hit by a meteor. How about you wait until you at least see a speck in the sky first?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
God, i KNOW, right????? - all of that constant Apple hate from the Microsoft fanbois "whaaaa, I don't want to use wireless proprietary headphones" "whaaaaa, why can't I just use the standard interface for headphones which has worked successfully for 60 years". I'm glad you were here to stick up for Apple.
I have spent some bucks on decent wired headphones because I am more interested in sound quality than going wireless. Now do I want to trust a D/A dongle made in China that costs Apple $2 but they will charge $30 to perform better than a 3.5mm jack with a internal D/A converter? I guess now you would be better off getting a lightning D/A converter for your headphones from a professional audio maker. I also think plenty of people still buy wired headphones because they are rough with them and they do not last long. Why would they spend a lot more for wireless ones that won't last any longer? Well it will make Apple wealthier I suppose.
What if you don't have Bluetooth headphones? The audio jack worked perfectly and was not broken or dysfunctional. It worked across most models of phone and other devices trivially. There is no new advantage to the consumer to the new Apple method.
So if they removed all USB adapters from a mac book, would you say that's ok because everyone can just buy thunderbolt adapters instead or store the data in the cloud?
Perhaps you would be so kind as to actually, you know, say what the drawbacks are?
The phones all ship with an adaptor. Most people use one set of headphones anyway - so they are covered.
Meanwhile newer headphones that can draw power from the jack for things like noise cancelation without batteries are more possible.
And the inside of the phone is simpler, with one less jack that can degrade/break/fill with lint.
All I can see here is upsides, with zero downsides for 99% of the people using smartphones today. For hundreds of millions of people, this will be better and not inconvenience them in any way. How is this not better?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
If only Apple's iOS would support a decent Bluetooth codec like AptX (note: I said decent, not excellent). AAC and SBC are pretty sub-par. And OSX and Macbooks support AptX. But iOS devices? Nope. Not there. You're stuck with old Bluetooth technology when it comes to data transmission... And high latency at that (not even the very good latency performance of AptX low latency) - but I guess if you like watching movies that all appear to be poorly dubbed kung-fu style movies (where the sound lags the picture by several hundred milliseconds), then you're set!
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Everyone is forgetting that removing the headphone jack removes the Digital to Analog audio converter for the head phone jack.
This is the actual real improvement and reason for removing the head phone jack, removing the headphone's Digital to Analog converter from the phone. In the past they had to have a one size fits all approach to D/A conversion for the headphones. So no matter how great someone's headphones were their performance was limited by how good the D/A converter was. An engineer had to pick the D/A that was cheap enough, and good enough for everyone. By removing it, consumers can buy specialty D/A converting headphones with more resolution, or less, depending on their preference.
The D/A converter for the built-in speakers doesn't matter because Apple knows how good the D/A converter has to be for these speakers.
It's not been true of any audio jack I've ever used that just "a little force" is required to unplug it.
The wires on most headphones would come close to breaking before the jack would unplug...
Keep reaching!
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Don't most new cars come with USB? They generally play audio over that connection... which covers charging as well.
That's for people who don't want to use Bluetooth for audio (and I freely admit I do not like using Bluetooth).
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Apple always has a plan. The next years iPhone will be super thin (since it no longer has to be thick enough to accommodate 3.5mm jack) and waterproof to N meters (since everything can now be sealed). All while providing even higher performance and more battery life. Plus you can now have active noise cancellation in your wired headphones without a separate power adapter. Watch every other manufacturer jump onto USB-C bandwagon to do the same.
Stupid /. editors ... it's HAPTIC FEEDBACK!
Apple is claiming they did it to make the phone waterproof. Apparently, they didn't bother to spend about 12 seconds with Google searching for "ip67 headphone jack", because if they DID, they'd have found countless IP67-rated headphone jacks like this one:
http://koumay.en.alibaba.com/p...
For those who don't know, the "7" in "IP67" means "waterproof to a depth of 1 meter for 30 minutes". I didn't have time to search further, but I'd be shocked if there wasn't at least one company that makes IP68 ("waterproof to a depth guaranteed by manufacturer, generally 1-3 meters, for some period of time also guaranteed by the manufacturer"). Note that IP ratings for things like headphone jacks don't guarantee that the jack itself won't end up with gunk in it if you drop it into mud, only that the jack ITSELF won't allow water to pass through to the interior of the phone case.
Sure there's an advantage. The iPhone 6 if inadvertantly spilled on with liquid would die. This one, won't. One of the reasons for that is no mini-jack socket.
For $169 using the exact same shape as the normal ear buds but now wireless with a recharging case, means you are going to lose an AirPod in record time. Those suckers fall out of my ears all the damn time to the point I replaced the ear buds with something much better. Not even working out, just walking around or just sitting still and they fall out.
I'd rather pay a bit more for German headphones than any Beats or Apple EarBud/AirPod... I don't get the popularity of Beats, they make you look like a friggin' moron. Early iPhone adopters were mugged due to the white headphones clearly indicating you had an iPhone...
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No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.
> . In the past they had to have a one size fits all approach to D/A conversion for the headphones
Oh fuck off with that. You can buy lightning headphones right now, they have a built in D/A conversion. They work with existing phones that actually have a 3.5 jack as well. You can buy a lightning DAC right now. These work with existing phones that actually have a 3.5 jack as well. All they are doing is removing choice- all the options you are talking about work with older iPhones.
What if the battery in your bluetooth just croaked and the came just went into over time. No zipping out to the quicky mart to pick up $5 earbuds....
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Here's hoping my 5S lasts three more years. I refuse to buy any phone without a 3.5mm jack.
Are these bluetooth airPods abomination going survive a 4 hour call? The phone does, but I doubt tiny little powered buds will.
Good thing they still make the SE (the four-inch phone). Everything else in their catalog is just bleh to me.
Way to fuck it up, Apple!
The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
Right. The old iPhone is a piece of shit, now that there's a newer one.
Where were you with that point last month?
so...yet another reason to get an Android phone instead.
Of course there will still be the hordes of sheeple lining up for one just because its Apple.
At this point I honestly think Apple could literally put a turd in a box and they'd still rush to buy it.
If they don't replace it with a proprietary wireless product right now, how could they switch to an incompatible other wireless product that is "better" two phone generations down the road? This planned obsolescence won't appear by itself, someone has to get the ball rolling.
lucm, indeed.
Sure there's an advantage. The iPhone 6 if inadvertantly spilled on with liquid would die. This one, won't. One of the reasons for that is no mini-jack socket
Oh bullshit. My samsung s7 comes with a 3.5 jack and some how samsung made it spill and puddle diving resistance.
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That is all I have to say.
No phone jack makes it a non-starter.
Hopefully Android phones have the sanity to keep theirs.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
You're wearing them wrong
This will be a Boon Dongle...
Sorry, I won't be paying $169 for ear buds. Even if they are wireless. Ear buds sound worse and are worse for your ears. I'd rather get a pair of closed headphones that are bluetooth or use a dongle for when I want to use cheap ear buds.
So don't buy their headphones if they don't meet your needs? It's not like they're removing Bluetooth or something.
What is it about Apple making accessories for their products that enrages people? Just don't buy the fucking thing.
Slippery ropes like these resulted in 4:3 dying off, and we've been stuck with laptops that are barely above entry-level HD (720p) for nearly two decades. Matter of fact, there was a regression from 1024p down to 800 pixels in height.
Now that I'm done with the evidence, I'll be the first to say that thanks to the stupidity seen here and already imitated by HTC, in a year or two you can expect half of the Android phones to follow suit. It's funny, really. It takes perhaps LONGER for them to do important things like catching up to a the software version of Android juuust one version behind nexus phones. So mark my words. By the time you start seeing v7 (Nougat) hit your local Android phones in 2018, it'll be at the expense of the 3.5mm jack.
We've lost hardware keyboards, removable batteries, SD cards and small screens getting this far, and saving a penny per device while joining the trendy Apple imitation club is killing more birds with that single stone. Progress isn't what we thought it would be, now that marketing runs the show... it's not just Apple anymore. We owe thanks to the brain damage the Jobs years caused our industries.
They're always enraged about something. When Apple does stuff, people talk about it and you get to hear from them. You're not there when they bark about the green banana conspiracy at the local grocery store, or the quinoa hegemony at the hotel restaurant. You missed their rants about the weather and the Canadian president's hair. Did they mention there were weird smells at the movie theatre? Unbelievable!
But the worst thing is definitely the headphone jack. Clearly they just want to force everyone to buy $9 adapters every week when the old ones break, or get lost, or get stolen by corporate adapter-retrieval squirrels. It's monstrous.
They must have a different meaning of SLR quality from me.
The entry level Canon is an 18mp camera with interchangeable lenses. It has a significantly larger sensor that would enable a significantly different depth of field, and rang of depths. Further, you can completely manipulate the aperture, shutter and ISO. And you can export RAW for MUCH greater flexibility in editing. And you can mount it easily on tripods, dollys, etc. And by using different lengths you can manipulate the bokeh.
Hype much?
OS X supports AptX - I can't think of any reason other than sheer stupidity that they wouldn't put it into iOS 10 as well, now that they're triumphantly leading us all to the wireless future with their "courage".
But you're right, even AptX needs work.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
the real reason that no one has stated is Apple Pay. They are tired of PayPal and Square readers capturing THEIR money, so take away the jack and make it very inconvenient to use those readers through the dongle.
Sneaky bastards.
What makes my iPhone actually indispensable, to me, is not just the internal and net-connected functionality, but - and equally important - also the ancillary functionality achieved via the physically connectable accessories from light meter and mics, to a host of other input and output-ables. Also the re-purchase of all these tools....Gaaahr! Courage, indeed! I guess we'll have to see who will snap this up and re-purchase everything currently in use in BT version. Won't be me.