This is crap. People believe in God, get over it. An "alarmingly" high number of people believe in religion!! Oh no... We are all uneducated buffoons, please help us understand our ignorance. If you have ever written a program over 100 lines of code you know what it takes to organize and make things work and how many little things go wrong. Do you really think this earth wasn't organized by some greater being?!?! It just popped into existence one day?? To me that sounds so silly, almost as silly as someone believing in religion...
Its obvious in my opinion why employers put everyone in the open. It is to increase transparency. It is already hard enough to get employees to give an honest days work without worrying about them doing their Christmas shopping at work. All it takes is 10-15% of "lazy" employees to ruin it for everyone else. As someone who employs over 80 people I like the open environment where others can "see" you screwing around. After I changed from closed offices to open, our productivity increased about 10% not decreased. You ALL know people those people that screw around at work and have to be looked after all the time. If everyone did their job there would be WAY less of this. Argue all you want, but after hiring more than 250 over the last 10 years I know what I am talking about.
Does anyone else think this guy is a totally idiot? I "took a chance and it paid off"??? What a load of horse manure. He doesn't even graduate from High School? Where is this kids parents? Where is the discipline? It is articles like this that make me angry. It celebrates our societies mistakes, and makes them look like something of value. Too bad he couldn't see the value of school. Everything has its place, but quitting high school to play video games full time is a sure path to loserville. Poor chap...
As a system administrator of a web host that servers over 220,000 domains I COMPLETELY agree with the campus in blocking certain sites and mime types etc. This isn't an access to information question, this is a network issue. You don't let your network get clogged with crap because people want access to everything. This is a network not a free speach issue. Come on?!?! Next thing we will be hearing about how they can't accesss their porn and gambling sites that they need for "research". Enough of these ridiculous posts!
Illegal?? That is the most asinine comment I have ever heard. We are at WAR. There isn't a criminal element
at all. This comment is EXACTLY what is wrong, and why we won't win. Sure, lets send the police over and they
will resolve the problem. Unbelievable!
What warrants this obviously lefty post on Slashdot? Am I the only conservative on Slashdot that actually wants
to WIN against the terrorists? You can talk all day long about how many civil rights you protected at all funerals
you will be attending if we DON'T do the surveillance. I am so tired of a weak, shortsided view that left winged
politicians use as their foundation for "peace" that I can hardly watch the news anymore. You that disagree deserve
what will happen to you. The terrorists can only win if we let them, and right now that is exactly what we are doing.
What a weak country the USA is becoming. I hope the trend can be reversed!!!
What an asinine comment. Of course cPanel doesn't force us to use their software, but market demands force us to use the product if we want to appeal to the largest market segment that we can?!?! I really don't think I need business advise on the subject as we run one of the largest and most successful hosting companies in the world.
Just because we buy cPanel because our customers demand it from us as a service provider doesn't mean we can't hold cPanel accountable for their software.
It is obvious I am dealing with a troll here so further comment isn't necessary.
Its not really our fault. It doesn't mean that we aren't responsible to our customers, it just means often our hands are tied. Its been two years and at least 7 root exploits. In each case we contacted Cpanel directly. If we made it public it was fixed in hours, if we didn't it would sit on the shelf and often not addressed at all. As the customer is paying us we certainly are responsible to the customer, but it is out of our hands to fix. If we can we will Strace the software and write wrappers to fix their problems, but sometimes this isn't an option. Cpanel flat out REFUSES to give us even a snippet of source code. We have to rely on them when it is any type of compiled code. Our customers love Cpanel for the features, so we deal with it, but we shouldn't have to.
Plesk is an ok option, but is known primarily for their windows hosting though they do offer a linux option. They are far more common in the VPS market as their VPS offering (Virtuozzo) is often sold along with Plesk. It is good from the end users perspective, but not nearly as good as Cpanel. I just wish Cpanel would get it together for the admins then it would be the best of both worlds.... Ahhh... Wishful thinking!
We supply what the users want and from a users perspective Cpanel is pretty good, but from an administrative viewpoint it is a nightmare. We host more than 200,000 domains on our two brands. It would be virtually impossible for us to switch now. Believe me, I often wish I could:)
This is Matt Heaton, President of Bluehost.com. We were working with Brent at Hostgator and had issued a fix before Cpanel finally got around to doing so. There are STILL multiple root exploits that we know FOR SURE work on Cpanel that have yet to be fixed. In one case it is a simple one liner that will pop root on any Cpanel install. This still works even after their "patch". Security is always an afterthought for the Cpanel guys and never designed in as it should be from the start. We were happy that Hostgator asked us for help as we were happy to help and would hope that they would do the same for us if need be.
Don't blame the hosting companies in this case, blame Cpanel for knowing about their multitude of scripts that run with root priviledges without properly parsing all data passed to and from their suid c programs!! We have been complaining about this for at least 2 years with little or no help for the issue. We have at least 20 bandaids for Cpanels scripts to fix problems that they refuse to deal with in their "stable" and "current" versions. Hopefully this incident will help them to move in the right direction, but given past exploits and their "resolutions" I HIGHLY doubt ti!
Why is this even on Slashdot!??! Come on! Bush haters simply can't accept that the majority of voters voted FOR George W and not against him. Get over it! If you don't like it then run for office or get your own candidate elected, but don't overrule the will of the people because you disagree personally. Enough is enough!
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This is crap. People believe in God, get over it. An "alarmingly" high number of people believe in religion!! Oh no... We are all uneducated buffoons, please help us understand our ignorance. If you have ever written a program over 100 lines of code you know what it takes to organize and make things work and how many little things go wrong. Do you really think this earth wasn't organized by some greater being?!?! It just popped into existence one day?? To me that sounds so silly, almost as silly as someone believing in religion...
Its obvious in my opinion why employers put everyone in the open. It is to increase transparency. It is already hard enough to get employees to give an honest days work without worrying about them doing their Christmas shopping at work. All it takes is 10-15% of "lazy" employees to ruin it for everyone else. As someone who employs over 80 people I like the open environment where others can "see" you screwing around. After I changed from closed offices to open, our productivity increased about 10% not decreased. You ALL know people those people that screw around at work and have to be looked after all the time. If everyone did their job there would be WAY less of this. Argue all you want, but after hiring more than 250 over the last 10 years I know what I am talking about.
Does anyone else think this guy is a totally idiot? I "took a chance and it paid off"??? What a load of horse manure. He doesn't even graduate from High School? Where is this kids parents? Where is the discipline? It is articles like this that make me angry. It celebrates our societies mistakes, and makes them look like something of value. Too bad he couldn't see the value of school. Everything has its place, but quitting high school to play video games full time is a sure path to loserville. Poor chap...
As a system administrator of a web host that servers over 220,000 domains I COMPLETELY agree with the campus in blocking certain sites and mime types etc. This isn't an access to information question, this is a network issue. You don't let your network get clogged with crap because people want access to everything. This is a network not a free speach issue. Come on?!?! Next thing we will be hearing about how they can't accesss their porn and gambling sites that they need for "research". Enough of these ridiculous posts!
Illegal?? That is the most asinine comment I have ever heard. We are at WAR. There isn't a criminal element at all. This comment is EXACTLY what is wrong, and why we won't win. Sure, lets send the police over and they will resolve the problem. Unbelievable!
What warrants this obviously lefty post on Slashdot? Am I the only conservative on Slashdot that actually wants to WIN against the terrorists? You can talk all day long about how many civil rights you protected at all funerals you will be attending if we DON'T do the surveillance. I am so tired of a weak, shortsided view that left winged politicians use as their foundation for "peace" that I can hardly watch the news anymore. You that disagree deserve what will happen to you. The terrorists can only win if we let them, and right now that is exactly what we are doing. What a weak country the USA is becoming. I hope the trend can be reversed!!!
What an asinine comment. Of course cPanel doesn't force us to use their software, but market demands force us to use the product if we want to appeal to the largest market segment that we can?!?! I really don't think I need business advise on the subject as we run one of the largest and most successful hosting companies in the world. Just because we buy cPanel because our customers demand it from us as a service provider doesn't mean we can't hold cPanel accountable for their software.
It is obvious I am dealing with a troll here so further comment isn't necessary.
Its not really our fault. It doesn't mean that we aren't responsible to our customers, it just means often our hands are tied. Its been two years and at least 7 root exploits. In each case we contacted Cpanel directly. If we made it public it was fixed in hours, if we didn't it would sit on the shelf and often not addressed at all. As the customer is paying us we certainly are responsible to the customer, but it is out of our hands to fix. If we can we will Strace the software and write wrappers to fix their problems, but sometimes this isn't an option. Cpanel flat out REFUSES to give us even a snippet of source code. We have to rely on them when it is any type of compiled code. Our customers love Cpanel for the features, so we deal with it, but we shouldn't have to.
Plesk is an ok option, but is known primarily for their windows hosting though they do offer a linux option. They are far more common in the VPS market as their VPS offering (Virtuozzo) is often sold along with Plesk. It is good from the end users perspective, but not nearly as good as Cpanel. I just wish Cpanel would get it together for the admins then it would be the best of both worlds.... Ahhh... Wishful thinking!
We supply what the users want and from a users perspective Cpanel is pretty good, but from an administrative viewpoint it is a nightmare. We host more than 200,000 domains on our two brands. It would be virtually impossible for us to switch now. Believe me, I often wish I could :)
This is Matt Heaton, President of Bluehost.com. We were working with Brent at Hostgator and had issued a fix before Cpanel finally got around to doing so. There are STILL multiple root exploits that we know FOR SURE work on Cpanel that have yet to be fixed. In one case it is a simple one liner that will pop root on any Cpanel install. This still works even after their "patch". Security is always an afterthought for the Cpanel guys and never designed in as it should be from the start. We were happy that Hostgator asked us for help as we were happy to help and would hope that they would do the same for us if need be. Don't blame the hosting companies in this case, blame Cpanel for knowing about their multitude of scripts that run with root priviledges without properly parsing all data passed to and from their suid c programs!! We have been complaining about this for at least 2 years with little or no help for the issue. We have at least 20 bandaids for Cpanels scripts to fix problems that they refuse to deal with in their "stable" and "current" versions. Hopefully this incident will help them to move in the right direction, but given past exploits and their "resolutions" I HIGHLY doubt ti!
Why is this even on Slashdot!??! Come on! Bush haters simply can't accept that the majority of voters voted FOR George W and not against him. Get over it! If you don't like it then run for office or get your own candidate elected, but don't overrule the will of the people because you disagree personally. Enough is enough!