Seriously, it is SO HARD to understand that OSX can fell dull for some people? Geeeee.
I really use OSX because, unfortunatly, I must, but I really cannot stand that user interface. Yes, it pretty, and shinning, but for me, it is not at all, how can I say it...productive. It's like asking, why don't you drive a Toyota?, Well I don't like it.
A tool for every task. Both encyclos can perfectly coexist with millions of other encyclopedias. Wiki is great to quick check information for which you actually donät care very uch for reliability. For example, if tomorrow I would like to know more about Bizarro, just because I'm reading some Supes comic, well, here I have it. I don't care so much actually for some eventual factual errors here... the world is not going to end because of that.
OTOH , if I am writing about some political or historical person for some paper, i must be VERy careful with Wiki, because of vandalism, bias, everchanging "facts" and so on. In this case some "official" encyclopedia uses to be (often) a lot more neutral (because official encyclopediae have neutrality as a global goal).... So bring the new one on.
Exactly. I am one of the software responsibles in my department at a large university of Sweden. We have 2 agreements with MS, one with Adobe, one with Apple, one with Symantec, one with Marratech, to chose from. And nobody obligates you to sign any of them. Hell, I know 2 departments that are 100% apple and one that is 100% solaris. My department is now using Microsoft Campus agreement and the prices are very human, actually (and not THAT scary like the Apple agreement, may I add, but that my friends is another story).
MS has 2 kind of educational licenses. In sweden they are called Select and campus. Select is the normal license: you install a MS product and you pay for it. Easy and every part is happy.
THE OTHER ONE IS: You pay for all your machines OR users (you can choose the license type). Say , you have 30 users. You pay some ammount of money. Then you have the right to install every MS product for those users in every machine in the university/college/scool, etc AND at home as well. Of course, if you dont use MS at home you are still paying, but this is the agreement. And the prices are MUCH lower than on Select. But nobody is forcing you to agree with this license. Use the old goos Select (pay by installed produts) and thatä's all and well. Of course, this being slashdot, we need our daily article odf env^z^z^z... hate.
And who call it stupid? You? And you are...? Hell, I hate when people who, often have not done anything "useful" for the community call "stupid" and "traitors" and whatever a **hard working guy** which in fact has done a lot more than they will ever do in their whole lives... And why? Why so much hate? Ohhh just because the very hard working for the community guy, happens to have "the wrong" projects or happens to like "some wrong" technology... Hell, this reminds me the old soviet: "sorry Mr Brainiac, you are a brilliant investigator, but you like Coca Cola and the Beatles.... To Siberia with you..."... Well, what good must we get of this ever bitching community then? Live and let live. Or better yet: WORK and let others work.
Well, that's the beaty of Open Source. You don't like it? Don't support them, or fork the project or do whatever you want. They are in their freaking right of supporting whoever they want. And they have help a LOT the OS community. Mono is a great port of the net service and Silverlight is on its way to linuzz thanks to those guys. The DO something. What do YOU do?
Exatly. I wonder how many Ubuntu users have upgraded to the new one, or how many Read Had users are still using 6.0, or how many Mac Userswill upgrade to the new cat one year after today.
The days when a new release of an OS where a big evnet are back (only with Windows 95, actually, when peple where actually killing in some countries to get the damn thing). Today , having a new latest OS is not a big deal, and there are few people which would do that, just because.... I have upgraded to Vista because I am a geek, actually, nd love to test new things, but hell, my GF (yes I DO have one) is still running MacOS Panther, and gives a shit about new features).
Actually, I think any new OS will have child diseases... It is impossible to test the OS for every combination of hardware/software. OK, Apple have it relatively easy, because the number of hardware combinations is not so hight (almost everybody use Apple keaboards + Apple mouses, plus Apple programs on a MAc). AND THIS happens anyway, and not only once.... Imagine in what position Microsoft is when delivering a new OS to millions of combinations of machines which could be using some "Rockefeller modems" and "CheWonChue video cards" with some "Elemental Drain Ropes" software which installed a custom driver for a "Kim Ill Sun Audio card"... Anyway, when this happens to MS it is "defective by design" ot "hahaha". And I think on 2000, Vista and XP this happens amazingly rarely... Apple have less combinations to worry about, but few will laugh at them here anyway... They are not MS.
Well, 92% of americans believe in God, so, boy I wonder if there is something wrong with those polls or if America REALLY is in so bad intellectual shape (to express myself nice)...
Well, MacOS uses exactly the same system. And is even MORE annoying because you don't get only an "accept" or "deny" confirmation. You need to LOGIN again.... And as a Mac developer you WILL feel the same pain. But yet again... they get praised.
Oh, and intelligent post on slashdot... That is unusual... and welcomed! Actually, I agree with you: there's nothing inherently wrong with describing, or even advocating, an alternative, but when in this site the balance is so quite inclined on one side only, with millions and millions of articles which *subjectively* repeat a preference ad nauseum... It feels like brainwashing to me... Or worst: wishiful thinking... repeating a half-true forever will not make a half-lie a less lie. Advocate all you want in the comments, but when an ARTICLE in the main page, that should be "Stuff that matters" repeats over and over again how some user "liked more some Linuzzz distro", just because it feels right... I mean, come on... "His name is Robert Paulsen., His name is Robert Paulsen., His name is Robert Paulsen.. His name is Robert Paulsen.,His name is Robert Paulsen., His name is Robert Paulsen."
I don't see any troll here. Give the guy a break, he's being sincere with his opinion: he sees what he wants to see and we all do that. We WANT to like linux, or MacOS... Why it's so hard to accept that other people can like Windows, Amiga PalmOs or whatever?
Which security features do you find annoying? UAC? Because when the system has comed so long that you don't need to install a driver every day or install a new application you won't see an elevation prompt. i can't remember the last time I saw one of those and I run as a non-admin WITh UAC enabled. Of course the first days with the new machine when installing things are every second operation, it's kind of annoying, but then... you won't see it at all... almost. But as you say, this is a new learning curve and users these days want the easy path and negatively react to any new change even if his life depends on it.
You see what you want to see. You want to like Ubuntu (or insert some Linuzzzzz distro here), so this is a good start. We all do. I like Windows (and I damn sure see all it's imperfections). I have used Ubuntu, and it feels very rough to me. But once again: I see what I want to see, and I have no incentive to search some other OS, because in Windows I feel like home. I have a OSX machine at home as well for testing purposes. The system is good but it feels OSX alien to me. Everybody should use the system they like and stop preaching and advocating. use trhe TOOL you like, not the bible you read.
Well, you are talking about the developers of 3rd party programs. As a developer, i have read MS recommendations for every NT system: and beginning with NT 4.0, the recommendation is: never write to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, and beginning with 2000, "store your settings on the personal folder". Office, Encarta, MSN and other MS application have actually always run perfectly fine as a non-administrator. But you are right: not everybody followed those conventions, so they are getting bitten now when Vista closed the water and the light. Oh and now is Vista the one to blame, not those sloppy pårogrammers. Anyway, even THOSE bad programs can happily run in Vista on Virtaualization (wich is automatically ON for Vista). So i use daily both: Vista and MacOSX. And I rarely get an elevation on either of them. Apples and oranges. One gets blamed , the other praised.
Apples and Oranges. On Vista if you are already and admin, there is no need to logon (hell, you are already in). On MacOs you just double logon. Pros and Cons can be discussed, but there are more or less the same. The fact is: vista gets bashed for this. MacOS gets praised for **THE SAME THING**
It seems they invented another great thing. (No matter that this is implemented as a alternate file stream on XP SP2) They will market it as something innovative, of course.
I still remember in the late 90s in the apple advocacy newsgroup people telling: "why do I need memory protection and preemptive multitasking"? We don't need that... The it was implemented "finally" on OSX and it was a great thing. Then I remember them telling me the greatness of non-intel processors and how great was that Apple never went Intel. Then they DID move to Intel and boy, what a great move this was:-)
Why do people speak without knowing? Hell, this is slashdot where everybody SEEMS to know that they know... Bash only because #you heard it", but never used it of course.
FYI, if you are running as an administrator, UAC will then prompt a confirmation (hell, you ARE an administrator). If you are a normal user, then UAC will prompt you for an ID and password.
And sorry, you must to be very naive or fanboi to think that Apple implemnts everything perfectly. There are a LOT of wrong things with OSX, as there are with any other OS out there.
Apple more controller? Are youkidding me? They only have full control over the software AND hardware you use. You cannot posibly use their software on non-apple hardware. How many were sueded because creating Aqua themes for XP? How many have been sued because using MacOS icons on Linuzzz? Apple were the one who killed the Apple clones, killing that way the competition and taking back full control once again? Apple controllers? Nahhhh:-)
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I really use OSX because, unfortunatly, I must, but I really cannot stand that user interface. Yes, it pretty, and shinning, but for me, it is not at all, how can I say it...productive. It's like asking, why don't you drive a Toyota?, Well I don't like it.
OTOH , if I am writing about some political or historical person for some paper, i must be VERy careful with Wiki, because of vandalism, bias, everchanging "facts" and so on. In this case some "official" encyclopedia uses to be (often) a lot more neutral (because official encyclopediae have neutrality as a global goal).... So bring the new one on.
Exactly. I am one of the software responsibles in my department at a large university of Sweden. We have 2 agreements with MS, one with Adobe, one with Apple, one with Symantec, one with Marratech, to chose from. And nobody obligates you to sign any of them. Hell, I know 2 departments that are 100% apple and one that is 100% solaris. My department is now using Microsoft Campus agreement and the prices are very human, actually (and not THAT scary like the Apple agreement, may I add, but that my friends is another story).
THE OTHER ONE IS: You pay for all your machines OR users (you can choose the license type). Say , you have 30 users. You pay some ammount of money. Then you have the right to install every MS product for those users in every machine in the university/college/scool, etc AND at home as well. Of course, if you dont use MS at home you are still paying, but this is the agreement. And the prices are MUCH lower than on Select. But nobody is forcing you to agree with this license. Use the old goos Select (pay by installed produts) and thatä's all and well. Of course, this being slashdot, we need our daily article odf env^z^z^z... hate.
And who call it stupid? You? And you are...? Hell, I hate when people who, often have not done anything "useful" for the community call "stupid" and "traitors" and whatever a **hard working guy** which in fact has done a lot more than they will ever do in their whole lives... And why? Why so much hate? Ohhh just because the very hard working for the community guy, happens to have "the wrong" projects or happens to like "some wrong" technology... Hell, this reminds me the old soviet: "sorry Mr Brainiac, you are a brilliant investigator, but you like Coca Cola and the Beatles.... To Siberia with you..."... Well, what good must we get of this ever bitching community then? Live and let live. Or better yet: WORK and let others work.
Well, that's the beaty of Open Source. You don't like it? Don't support them, or fork the project or do whatever you want. They are in their freaking right of supporting whoever they want. And they have help a LOT the OS community. Mono is a great port of the net service and Silverlight is on its way to linuzz thanks to those guys. The DO something. What do YOU do?
The days when a new release of an OS where a big evnet are back (only with Windows 95, actually, when peple where actually killing in some countries to get the damn thing). Today , having a new latest OS is not a big deal, and there are few people which would do that, just because.... I have upgraded to Vista because I am a geek, actually, nd love to test new things, but hell, my GF (yes I DO have one) is still running MacOS Panther, and gives a shit about new features).
Well, 92% of americans believe in God, so, boy I wonder if there is something wrong with those polls or if America REALLY is in so bad intellectual shape (to express myself nice)...
Sorry, I'm a user not a politician. I also buy chinese products.
Well, MacOS uses exactly the same system. And is even MORE annoying because you don't get only an "accept" or "deny" confirmation. You need to LOGIN again.... And as a Mac developer you WILL feel the same pain. But yet again... they get praised.
I don't see any troll here. Give the guy a break, he's being sincere with his opinion: he sees what he wants to see and we all do that. We WANT to like linux, or MacOS... Why it's so hard to accept that other people can like Windows, Amiga PalmOs or whatever?
You see what you want to see. You want to like Ubuntu (or insert some Linuzzzzz distro here), so this is a good start. We all do. I like Windows (and I damn sure see all it's imperfections). I have used Ubuntu, and it feels very rough to me. But once again: I see what I want to see, and I have no incentive to search some other OS, because in Windows I feel like home. I have a OSX machine at home as well for testing purposes. The system is good but it feels OSX alien to me. Everybody should use the system they like and stop preaching and advocating. use trhe TOOL you like, not the bible you read.
Well, you are talking about the developers of 3rd party programs. As a developer, i have read MS recommendations for every NT system: and beginning with NT 4.0, the recommendation is: never write to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, and beginning with 2000, "store your settings on the personal folder". Office, Encarta, MSN and other MS application have actually always run perfectly fine as a non-administrator. But you are right: not everybody followed those conventions, so they are getting bitten now when Vista closed the water and the light. Oh and now is Vista the one to blame, not those sloppy pårogrammers. Anyway, even THOSE bad programs can happily run in Vista on Virtaualization (wich is automatically ON for Vista). So i use daily both: Vista and MacOSX. And I rarely get an elevation on either of them. Apples and oranges. One gets blamed , the other praised.
Excuse me???!! real multitasking and protected memory was implemented by ;S with NT 3.5!!! In 1992!!!
Apples and Oranges. On Vista if you are already and admin, there is no need to logon (hell, you are already in). On MacOs you just double logon. Pros and Cons can be discussed, but there are more or less the same. The fact is: vista gets bashed for this. MacOS gets praised for **THE SAME THING**
Fanboi IS the correct pseudospelling.
It seems they invented another great thing. (No matter that this is implemented as a alternate file stream on XP SP2) They will market it as something innovative, of course.
So don't worry, you will get the same story here.
FYI, if you are running as an administrator, UAC will then prompt a confirmation (hell, you ARE an administrator). If you are a normal user, then UAC will prompt you for an ID and password.
And sorry, you must to be very naive or fanboi to think that Apple implemnts everything perfectly. There are a LOT of wrong things with OSX, as there are with any other OS out there.
Vista: absolutley with all it's many imperfections.
Wrong, the sandboxed application WILL get a prompt for elevation. You guessed it, exactly like in Vista.
Apple more controller? Are youkidding me? They only have full control over the software AND hardware you use. You cannot posibly use their software on non-apple hardware. How many were sueded because creating Aqua themes for XP? How many have been sued because using MacOS icons on Linuzzz? Apple were the one who killed the Apple clones, killing that way the competition and taking back full control once again? Apple controllers? Nahhhh :-)