Nah a single user on a 10Mbps line wouldn't notice the difference in streaming 1080p video but two three users? Your going to start to notice. Bought a new UHD smart tv? Oh now you've went and done it. Now you need 25Mbps for ONE stream.
Now does anyone really need to be able to watch a 4k streaming video? Probably not but if we stick with a top speed of 10~15Mbps we will never find out.
How exactly does average speed come into play here? Afaik its really only useful when discussing file transfers as everything else tends to require a faster connection. Like netflix's UHD you can't download it and watch it later after the download finishes on a slower connection you have to be able to stream it at the 25mbps. But light usage of the service still wouldn't cause a very high monthly average download speed.
Some satellite providers offer a late night unmetered period however this is apparently not a big enough market for netflix and other providers to care about so you get stuck having to stay up till 3am if you want to make use of your netflix sub.
As for solving the satellite high latency problem much of the country at this point is starting to be blanketed by wisps cheaper more reliable and much lower latency. Now I personally don't like them going about it this way because the wireless bandwidth is still quite limited and its still less reliable than a wired connection and they are starting to heavily substitute wireless connections now where before they would have run wired connections.
My only options at home remain dial-up, satellite and cellular.
That's nice. My local electric co-op is running fiber between all of their substations. But they aren't sharing. The board decided it would be best if they just sold electric.
Its my understanding that if after the fact your insurace co decides you are under insured your insurance co doesn't have to pay anything. At least thats how it is with building insurace in Oklahoma I assume auto falls under the same rules.
Well you have to understand that a lot of us are driving around cars worth only just a bit more than the deductible. The vast majority have just the minimum required by law liability insurance. That is if they have any insurance at all.
Well lets think about that a bit has anything else been made childsafe and worked better? We have childproof lighters. Ever tried to light anything with those? You get more lights from a box of matches. Same price. We have childproof pill bottles. Most work ok some of them even have easy ways to convert them to non child proof but the pharmacys won't sell them to you with the child proofing disabled even if you are 105 years old and can barely open the container normally. We have human proof gas tanks. You wanted to put gas in your lawnmower? Hahaha you silly human have fun dumping gas on yourself and everything else except in the lawnmower.
Across 3 unlimited lines I used an average of 270GB last month That's a bit higher than normal but it is worth noting that not one line used less than 100GB.
If I were to switch to a current plan and keep my current layout $2,130 for 3 accounts with 100GB $7,500 for 500GB overage $60 for 3 devices = $9690 for last month
If I did as you suggested I would need $6,390 for 9 accounts 100GB $180 for 9 devices = $6570
Keep in mind the 3 unlimited lines only cost $2279.64/yr Even a year of service for the whole account with all the limited phones is only $3911.52/yr
I like to think of it this way: I saved so much last month that at least the next year of service is effectively free even in the best case scenario. Well unless verizon has higher plans they don't offer on their website or the rates jump again.
Why yes it would be nice if any other company would would be willing to so much as TAKE my money years ago I was paying wildblue $79.99/mo for internet out at the house for 1.5mbps down 256 up (17GB down 5GB up). Unreliable and the 500ms ping makes a lot of things unusable. Then I moved to twin unlimited alltel aircards for $59.99/ea (total 119.98 pretax) roughly the same speed much more reliable and most things are still usable with a 150 ms ping.
Since then verizon bought alltel and i've dropped a 3g aircard. Now I have Twin vzw 4g lte unlimited aircards and a 3g unlimited aircard for backup. This runs me about $189.97/mo ($196.57 after taxes and fees)
Is Anyone willing to run service out to my house for that price? Hell no. My only options at home remain cellular or satellite. And while most wouldn't call cellular reliable it still beats the shit out of a satlink for reliability. So until something else comes along ill just be glad verizon will still take my money for an old unlimited plan.
No I have no idea what the costs are compared to running a wired service but I do remember at&t http://tech.slashdot.org/story... Wanting to abandon their wired connections and go full wireless (from what I hear the margins are better.) So it must be cheaper and/or more profitable. Annnnd I remember verizon halting their fios rollout to spend more money on the more profitable wireless service http://tech.slashdot.org/story...
As for wireline providers in town (I don't live in town) I have the option of three:
Suddenlink has made no upgrades to their service in years their cable internet service maxes out at 15mbps (however their flyers say their speeds start at 50mbps)
At&t has upgraded their dsl service to a proprietary version of adsl2+ so you can't use any other modem but theirs speeds max out at 18mbps if you happen to live across the street from the hub.
The city has built a fiber network hoping to draw big industry afaik its still struggling but its speeds max out at 50mbps.
Full disclosure I supposedly could get 10mbps service from a local wisp for the low low cost of $15,000 for a tower so I could get the signal to the tower on the other side of the hill and then just $99.95/mo thereafter.
I don't think declining to provide wired service because more expensive wireless service is available and then complaining that wireless doesn't have as much bandwidth capacity is ok. But it's apparently an excellent business plan.
Assuming that's a 175 GB monthly usage $710 for 100GB data only plan (highest plan listed on verizon's site) $1125 for 75GB overage @ $15/GB $20 for device access
So your bill should be around $1,855/mo How much is your mortgage payment?
No one seems to care about truth in advertising especially online? Have you seen the ads? "goverment wants to ban this flashlight" "get your flamethrowers now before they are banned" "new bill introduced to ban assult weapons buy your 1,000 round drums now!" "3d printers used to manufacture guns get them now before they are banned" "Unlimited data, talk and text on the 4g lte t-mobile network" "Unlimted data on att's 4g lte network" "Hulu now ad free"
I trust the companies to do what is most profitable and this is something their advertising dept can make a day of.
Sure they would sell us out later down the line too but if they can say a few words and scare people into buying phones yes I have no doubts they would be happy to do it.
Ive opted out of every option on Verizon's Customer Privacy Settings page. Yet I still get this nice readout every month that shows what I used my data on.
"Please note: Data Utilization categories are an estimated representation of how data has been used. Data Utilization does not reflect actual amounts of data used and does not match billed usage for data roaming, delayed usage and similar billing charges. Data Utilization does not identify specific websites, applications or URLs. Categories
Video 67 %
Web & Apps 15 %
Communication & Device Services 12 %
Social Media & Networking 3 %
Downloads & Marketplaces 2 %
Audio 1 %"
I still find that rather creepy.
Although I'm glad that they now have a opt out for the unique tracking code they were injecting into my traffic. (X-UIDH)
I'm fairly certain traps of that type are not legal in my state.
Otherwise the rules and regulations of another country should be out of reach of our country aside from embargos and such. We can only deal with the business operating on our soil. Most like to outsource supplies sourcing for ease of management for the extremely large quantities needed.
But after a couple dozen subcontractors I can imagine it gets difficult to find out anything.
Was seriously that's somehow a problem? We have lots of crack babies here in the states. Fewer that are better cared for is definitely a lot better than Oh I have 5 kids (all with FASD)
Also the population of many countries and the world overall is pretty much exploding at this point in time And by most projections we will have a whole extra billion people to feed worldwide by 2020 from 2010.
I hope they are not still trying to make drugs with open air outdoor farms.
I doubt they are.
But I really don't know the current state of things my subscription to popsci lapsed many years ago. And most of the talk ive heard on gmos has been this stupid labeling discussion.
Just make sure gmos don't qualify as organic and most everyone will be happy. Because most people who don't buy organic really don't care all that much about it and will be quite content with higher yields, larger fruit and possibly more flavorful food.
On the other hand when I see something that is labeled 100% beef I don't expect there to be horse meat in it. Even though it is probably just as safe as beef. Its not something we are used to. so I don't want it in there so I kind of understand how the gmo label people may feel.
Gmo I am most want to see? Roses that still smell like roses. Most commercially grown roses are bred to be pretty and no longer have that rose smell. Its currently handled with a spritz of rose scent at the flowershop. Wouldn't it be nice if they just smelled like they were supposed to?
Slashdot Mirror
BAM! Would you look at that a box I have to close to look at the website.
You must be uncapped to be doing 1.2TB/mo
Nah a single user on a 10Mbps line wouldn't notice the difference in streaming 1080p video but two three users? Your going to start to notice.
Bought a new UHD smart tv? Oh now you've went and done it. Now you need 25Mbps for ONE stream.
Now does anyone really need to be able to watch a 4k streaming video? Probably not but if we stick with a top speed of 10~15Mbps we will never find out.
How exactly does average speed come into play here?
Afaik its really only useful when discussing file transfers as everything else tends to require a faster connection. Like netflix's UHD you can't download it and watch it later after the download finishes on a slower connection you have to be able to stream it at the 25mbps. But light usage of the service still wouldn't cause a very high monthly average download speed.
Some satellite providers offer a late night unmetered period however this is apparently not a big enough market for netflix and other providers to care about so you get stuck having to stay up till 3am if you want to make use of your netflix sub.
As for solving the satellite high latency problem much of the country at this point is starting to be blanketed by wisps cheaper more reliable and much lower latency. Now I personally don't like them going about it this way because the wireless bandwidth is still quite limited and its still less reliable than a wired connection and they are starting to heavily substitute wireless connections now where before they would have run wired connections.
My only options at home remain dial-up, satellite and cellular.
That's nice. My local electric co-op is running fiber between all of their substations. But they aren't sharing. The board decided it would be best if they just sold electric.
Its my understanding that if after the fact your insurace co decides you are under insured your insurance co doesn't have to pay anything. At least thats how it is with building insurace in Oklahoma I assume auto falls under the same rules.
Well you have to understand that a lot of us are driving around cars worth only just a bit more than the deductible. The vast majority have just the minimum required by law liability insurance. That is if they have any insurance at all.
And should healthcare ever cost anyone 1mil+ ?
Well still yet they seem to be obligated to hold up their end of the bargain. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/he...
Well lets think about that a bit has anything else been made childsafe and worked better?
We have childproof lighters. Ever tried to light anything with those? You get more lights from a box of matches. Same price.
We have childproof pill bottles. Most work ok some of them even have easy ways to convert them to non child proof but the pharmacys won't sell them to you with the child proofing disabled even if you are 105 years old and can barely open the container normally.
We have human proof gas tanks. You wanted to put gas in your lawnmower? Hahaha you silly human have fun dumping gas on yourself and everything else except in the lawnmower.
Why don't people like sane designs?
Across 3 unlimited lines I used an average of 270GB last month That's a bit higher than normal but it is worth noting that not one line used less than 100GB.
If I were to switch to a current plan and keep my current layout
$2,130 for 3 accounts with 100GB
$7,500 for 500GB overage
$60 for 3 devices
=
$9690 for last month
If I did as you suggested I would need
$6,390 for 9 accounts 100GB
$180 for 9 devices
=
$6570
Keep in mind the 3 unlimited lines only cost $2279.64/yr
Even a year of service for the whole account with all the limited phones is only $3911.52/yr
I like to think of it this way: I saved so much last month that at least the next year of service is effectively free even in the best case scenario. Well unless verizon has higher plans they don't offer on their website or the rates jump again.
There was a bank robbed in Eufaula, Oklahoma just yesterday.
High Speed chase shootings shootouts hostages and all.
http://www.newson6.com/story/3...
Why yes it would be nice if any other company would would be willing to so much as TAKE my money years ago I was paying wildblue $79.99/mo for internet out at the house for 1.5mbps down 256 up (17GB down 5GB up). Unreliable and the 500ms ping makes a lot of things unusable. Then I moved to twin unlimited alltel aircards for $59.99/ea (total 119.98 pretax) roughly the same speed much more reliable and most things are still usable with a 150 ms ping.
Since then verizon bought alltel and i've dropped a 3g aircard.
Now I have Twin vzw 4g lte unlimited aircards and a 3g unlimited aircard for backup. This runs me about $189.97/mo ($196.57 after taxes and fees)
Is Anyone willing to run service out to my house for that price? Hell no. My only options at home remain cellular or satellite. And while most wouldn't call cellular reliable it still beats the shit out of a satlink for reliability. So until something else comes along ill just be glad verizon will still take my money for an old unlimited plan.
No I have no idea what the costs are compared to running a wired service but I do remember at&t http://tech.slashdot.org/story... Wanting to abandon their wired connections and go full wireless (from what I hear the margins are better.) So it must be cheaper and/or more profitable. Annnnd I remember verizon halting their fios rollout to spend more money on the more profitable wireless service http://tech.slashdot.org/story...
As for wireline providers in town (I don't live in town) I have the option of three:
Suddenlink has made no upgrades to their service in years their cable internet service maxes out at 15mbps (however their flyers say their speeds start at 50mbps)
At&t has upgraded their dsl service to a proprietary version of adsl2+ so you can't use any other modem but theirs speeds max out at 18mbps if you happen to live across the street from the hub.
The city has built a fiber network hoping to draw big industry afaik its still struggling but its speeds max out at 50mbps.
Full disclosure I supposedly could get 10mbps service from a local wisp for the low low cost of $15,000 for a tower so I could get the signal to the tower on the other side of the hill and then just $99.95/mo thereafter.
I don't think declining to provide wired service because more expensive wireless service is available and then complaining that wireless doesn't have as much bandwidth capacity is ok. But it's apparently an excellent business plan.
Assuming that's a 175 GB monthly usage
$710 for 100GB data only plan (highest plan listed on verizon's site)
$1125 for 75GB overage @ $15/GB
$20 for device access
So your bill should be around $1,855/mo How much is your mortgage payment?
No one seems to care about truth in advertising especially online? Have you seen the ads? "goverment wants to ban this flashlight" "get your flamethrowers now before they are banned" "new bill introduced to ban assult weapons buy your 1,000 round drums now!" "3d printers used to manufacture guns get them now before they are banned"
"Unlimited data, talk and text on the 4g lte t-mobile network"
"Unlimted data on att's 4g lte network"
"Hulu now ad free"
I trust the companies to do what is most profitable and this is something their advertising dept can make a day of.
Sure they would sell us out later down the line too but if they can say a few words and scare people into buying phones yes I have no doubts they would be happy to do it.
I figure it would be treated the same as a non carb compliant engine. Perfectly legal to own just not to buy or sell.
I'm sure the cell phone co's would be happy air commercials and to post ad's in their windows.
It's just like any time the gov't says anything about guns. Sales are boosted.
Wouldn't be the first time you couldn't buy something in CA.
If I buy a car from the dealership for $50,000 and then try to sell it 10 minutes later it's now worth $25,000 at most.
If I buy a used vehicle from someone for $15,000 and try to sell it 10 minutes later it's still worth about $15,000.
Why take the hit?
Also a car that is worn out still has a pretty poor resale value even if it is just a year old.
Ive opted out of every option on Verizon's Customer Privacy Settings page. Yet I still get this nice readout every month that shows what I used my data on.
"Please note: Data Utilization categories are an estimated representation of how data has been used. Data Utilization does not reflect actual amounts of data used and does not match billed usage for data roaming, delayed usage and similar billing charges. Data Utilization does not identify specific websites, applications or URLs.
Categories
Video 67 %
Web & Apps 15 %
Communication & Device Services 12 %
Social Media & Networking 3 %
Downloads & Marketplaces 2 %
Audio 1 %"
I still find that rather creepy.
Although I'm glad that they now have a opt out for the unique tracking code they were injecting into my traffic. (X-UIDH)
So what you're saying is someone had a bit too much sake when designing this?
That's surprising.
I'm fairly certain traps of that type are not legal in my state.
Otherwise the rules and regulations of another country should be out of reach of our country aside from embargos and such. We can only deal with the business operating on our soil. Most like to outsource supplies sourcing for ease of management for the extremely large quantities needed.
But after a couple dozen subcontractors I can imagine it gets difficult to find out anything.
My reaction to http://politics.slashdot.org/s...
Was seriously that's somehow a problem? We have lots of crack babies here in the states. Fewer that are better cared for is definitely a lot better than Oh I have 5 kids (all with FASD)
Also the population of many countries and the world overall is pretty much exploding at this point in time And by most projections we will have a whole extra billion people to feed worldwide by 2020 from 2010.
The only diamonds I buy are in cut off blades. Should I be worrying where Makita gets their fine diamonds?
Then again by power cost he may have meant 4KWH which would be what you would expect from a machine using 1KW for 4 hours.
That's probably what happened but It's not nearly as interesting.
Wow how are you powering this thing a dryer plug?
Multiple PSUs?
That's a heck of a lot of power for a single machine.
Yeah I agree.
This is about like when they were trying to get what we today call processed cheese called embalmed cheese.
Otherwise there are a few things I think they ought not do
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/...
I hope they are not still trying to make drugs with open air outdoor farms.
I doubt they are.
But I really don't know the current state of things my subscription to popsci lapsed many years ago. And most of the talk ive heard on gmos has been this stupid labeling discussion.
Just make sure gmos don't qualify as organic and most everyone will be happy. Because most people who don't buy organic really don't care all that much about it and will be quite content with higher yields, larger fruit and possibly more flavorful food.
On the other hand when I see something that is labeled 100% beef I don't expect there to be horse meat in it.
Even though it is probably just as safe as beef. Its not something we are used to. so I don't want it in there so I kind of understand how the gmo label people may feel.
Gmo I am most want to see?
Roses that still smell like roses.
Most commercially grown roses are bred to be pretty and no longer have that rose smell. Its currently handled with a spritz of rose scent at the flowershop. Wouldn't it be nice if they just smelled like they were supposed to?
Have you seen the article about the pumpkin? http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/06/...