From my perspective, Google's been scared crapless of Bing since it launched. Remember when Google forced their Bing-line background image homepage on every user? How about Google's image search changing to become nearly identical to Bing's?
It's good to finally have some competition in this space.
Look, the Bing toolbar does the following: 1) Watches what the user types into textboxes 2) Looks for resulting link clicks
If it's doing ONLY that, completely ignoring what domain the textbox and links were on, it'll manage to scrape Google results in exactly the way Google has demonstrated.
That doesn't mean that Microsoft is going out of their way to copy Google, that means Microsoft's toolbar tries to associate searched terms to clicked links. I think that's a *good* thing... if Bing has that data, they should sure as shit use it. It would be stupid not to.
People are talking as if the Bing toolbar has a piece of code that says: "if domain=='google.com' { ripOffSearchResults(); }". If you can PROVE that's the case, then by all means be outraged. But until you can, all it shows is that Bing has come up with a rather creative way to take results from the hundreds/thousands of site-specific search engines out there (not just Google) and inform their own results with them. As the Bing rep says, they get data like that from *thousands* of sites... they're not singling out Google.
BTW, you can prove they're not ripping-off Google's results easily. Just search for a keyword with more searchers. And... lo and behold... Bing's results are different.
Bing informs their result using Google. Google informs their result using Yahoo's directory (among a billion other sources.)
The reason Bing's result for "4444dsdsadadas" (the various gibberish Google used to discover this) is the same as Google's is because *that term had never been searched before* and thus it was Bing's *only* input for that term.
I don't see anything wrong with what Microsoft's doing. If Google thinks it's wrong to use someone else's opinion to determine search results, they better turn off PageRank right now because *that's all it is*.
There wasn't much of a financial barrier in the 50s, 3D was pretty cheap. Hell, Jaws 3D was made in 1983... and if you've seen it, you know it was made on a shoestring budget.
You're right, though, the technology has improved a lot, which might give it more staying power. But at this point, I wouldn't debate with the guy calling it a fad, and I wouldn't debate with the guy saying it'll change movies forever... too early to tell. (I'd lean towards fad though.)
A full file format specification would also be a specification to duplicate Excel-- in fact, going a step further, if Excel were required to share the same format as other apps, it would by necessity also require sharing the same feature-set. If Excel wanted to add a feature, they'd either become incompatible, or would have to wait until all other spreadsheets using the same format added the same feature.
In short, I think requiring a particular application to use a particular format stinks to high heaven.
Indeed. That's why Universities are widely known for being bastions of Conservatism...
Colleges are politically liberal. They aren't dictionary-definition liberal-- they're pretty much exactly the opposite. At least here in the US, colleges and universities are well-known for shouting down or otherwise screwing-over conservative speakers and groups.
I'm often amazed by Slashdot's anti-intellectual bent - though it is mostly populated by Americans, so I suppose it shouldn't be that surprising.
Please. Slashdot is the "tech" site full of Luddites who hate all new technology. Slashdot Games is full of nothing but geezers who haven't played a game since Quake III. Basically, commenters on Slashdot are the exact opposite of whatever stereotype you're trying to bin them in.
I've gotten significantly more value (job-wise) from a $2500 training course on a popular-but-hard-to-find-experts web analytics system than I did spending ten times that on college. (I attended 4 years, but don't have a degree.) I get emails every week with job offers, good ones, just from having that $2500 certification on my LinkedIn page.
(Of course, frankly, IMO, anybody who's been working 5 years or so and doing good work should already be getting regular job offers... if you're not, figure out why and fix it.)
The real "problem" is that people who can't access your site won't jump through hoops to report the fact-- they'll just leave. I can't read German, so I don't know if they compensated for this, but your summary isn't really helpful.
Or favorite Ribbon fuck-up so far: to copy-as-picture in Excel, you select the sub-menu on the PASTE button, then select "As Picture", and then "Copy". Yes, that's right... in their fancy new interface they make you Copy by clicking on Paste! I would PAY to talk to an engineer that had to sit through the conclusion of that meeting:)
Excel always puts an image in the clipboard by default... I don't understand the point of doing this. It seems like the receiving application should be told to accept the image version of the clipboard content, instead of the table version, if that's what you want.
It's probably such a poorly supported feature because the Excel team was like, "why would anybody *do* this?"
I'd be in heaven it if they fixed some of the bugs from freakin' 2005. Like the "events on disabled controls don't bubble" bug.
The funny thing is a DOM bug of equal severity I put in just last year got fixed in record time, less than a week. They even sent me a "Firefox 4 Beta Team" t-shirt for it. But that old DOM bug from 2005 is completely ignored... it makes me wonder if the Firefox team is suffering from a bad case of "oh it's an old bug, it can't possibly still apply"-itis. I should just re-submit the bug and see what happens.
How the pilot even get in the Northrup concept? Is there an elevator that lowers from the floor of the cockpit? Maybe they have a crane?
I can't see it used for passenger flight, either: "Hey Stewardess, can I go over and talk to my friend?" "No, he's in the B pod, this is the A pod." "Oh..."
Slashdot is occupied by "disable JavaScript specifically so I can complain how bad the web experience without JavaScript is"-type people. It's also very old and creaky and written in a shitty environment for web apps. Slashdot is not "the web." Nor representative of "the web" in any way, shape, or form.
Normal, non-Slashdot, human beings like the "bunch of bullshit." I know that posting here you're entirely out-of-touch with the average person, and the concept of "usable software" but please try to bear with me here.
In any case, it's a lot easier to change your own mind than to change 250,000 websites you have no control over. Ranting about JavaScript doesn't help the situation-- either just cope with it (like a normal person), or stop using the web altogether.
For normal human beings, hosting scripts on different domains speeds-up the download. The browser's connection limit is a per-domain connection limit, not per-page... so if your connection limit is 2 connections, and you're loading content from 4 domains, your browser opens 8 connections. If all the content came from a single domain, you'd have to (potentially) wait 4 times as long.
Of course this doesn't work if you're a Slashdotter who keeps JavaScript off specifically so he can complain about how unusable the web is with JavaScript off. But for normal human beings, it's a good tactic.
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From my perspective, Google's been scared crapless of Bing since it launched. Remember when Google forced their Bing-line background image homepage on every user? How about Google's image search changing to become nearly identical to Bing's?
It's good to finally have some competition in this space.
Jesus.
Look, the Bing toolbar does the following:
1) Watches what the user types into textboxes
2) Looks for resulting link clicks
If it's doing ONLY that, completely ignoring what domain the textbox and links were on, it'll manage to scrape Google results in exactly the way Google has demonstrated.
That doesn't mean that Microsoft is going out of their way to copy Google, that means Microsoft's toolbar tries to associate searched terms to clicked links. I think that's a *good* thing... if Bing has that data, they should sure as shit use it. It would be stupid not to.
People are talking as if the Bing toolbar has a piece of code that says: "if domain=='google.com' { ripOffSearchResults(); }". If you can PROVE that's the case, then by all means be outraged. But until you can, all it shows is that Bing has come up with a rather creative way to take results from the hundreds/thousands of site-specific search engines out there (not just Google) and inform their own results with them. As the Bing rep says, they get data like that from *thousands* of sites... they're not singling out Google.
BTW, you can prove they're not ripping-off Google's results easily. Just search for a keyword with more searchers. And... lo and behold... Bing's results are different.
Sorry I just can't get worked-up about this.
Bing informs their result using Google. Google informs their result using Yahoo's directory (among a billion other sources.)
The reason Bing's result for "4444dsdsadadas" (the various gibberish Google used to discover this) is the same as Google's is because *that term had never been searched before* and thus it was Bing's *only* input for that term.
I don't see anything wrong with what Microsoft's doing. If Google thinks it's wrong to use someone else's opinion to determine search results, they better turn off PageRank right now because *that's all it is*.
How so?
I don't see anything sleazy or underhanded about using publicly-available information to improve your product.
Besides, it's not as if Google hasn't completely ripped-off Bing's image search... mud slings both ways.
They could just buy an Xbox, which supports homebrew out-of-the-box. If homebrew is what they want to be doing.
Oh wait, Microsoft is too eeevil.
Easy for you to say if you don't want to play a game that's only available for PS3, for instance MGS4.
Aw poor baby. You might actually have to make a *gasp* sacrifice!
No kidding. Maybe it's being "attacked' by a good Samaritan sick of dealing with SourceForge's particular brand of unusable crap.
Hey, maybe SourceForge will actually wake up, pay attention to the site, and *improve* it as a result of this!
Nah.
They made those bad investments because there were insurance companies willing to *insure* those bad investments.
The failure was on multiple levels.
There wasn't much of a financial barrier in the 50s, 3D was pretty cheap. Hell, Jaws 3D was made in 1983... and if you've seen it, you know it was made on a shoestring budget.
You're right, though, the technology has improved a lot, which might give it more staying power. But at this point, I wouldn't debate with the guy calling it a fad, and I wouldn't debate with the guy saying it'll change movies forever... too early to tell. (I'd lean towards fad though.)
Yeah, it was a huge fad in the 50s, too.
Nobody's going to deny that Avatar was a great experience in 3D. Problem is... every other 3D movie ain't Avatar.
If you were literate, you'd have understood my point.
Sorry, I guess the jackass drowned it out. Maybe try being a bit less unbearable next time, eh?
Sounds to me like you made VERY poor use of your time.
Well fuck you too.
I'm willing to bet that you made much better use of that $2500 course than you would have in an equivalent course while in college.
Didn't I just say that? I may not have a degree, but I know how to read.
Don't blame higher education for your mistakes.
I didn't blame anybody. Nor do I have any regrets.
Well, ok, I blame you for being an incredible jackass, and making assumptions about me that aren't true.
but with LibreOffice, I feel like my bug just sits there unread.
Ah! So now it's a true member of the open source community!
The format is the product.
A full file format specification would also be a specification to duplicate Excel-- in fact, going a step further, if Excel were required to share the same format as other apps, it would by necessity also require sharing the same feature-set. If Excel wanted to add a feature, they'd either become incompatible, or would have to wait until all other spreadsheets using the same format added the same feature.
In short, I think requiring a particular application to use a particular format stinks to high heaven.
Indeed. That's why Universities are widely known for being bastions of Conservatism...
Colleges are politically liberal. They aren't dictionary-definition liberal-- they're pretty much exactly the opposite. At least here in the US, colleges and universities are well-known for shouting down or otherwise screwing-over conservative speakers and groups.
I'm often amazed by Slashdot's anti-intellectual bent - though it is mostly populated by Americans, so I suppose it shouldn't be that surprising.
Please. Slashdot is the "tech" site full of Luddites who hate all new technology. Slashdot Games is full of nothing but geezers who haven't played a game since Quake III. Basically, commenters on Slashdot are the exact opposite of whatever stereotype you're trying to bin them in.
I've gotten significantly more value (job-wise) from a $2500 training course on a popular-but-hard-to-find-experts web analytics system than I did spending ten times that on college. (I attended 4 years, but don't have a degree.) I get emails every week with job offers, good ones, just from having that $2500 certification on my LinkedIn page.
(Of course, frankly, IMO, anybody who's been working 5 years or so and doing good work should already be getting regular job offers... if you're not, figure out why and fix it.)
Plus the greyness was something of a running joke in a few early episodes. Was this corridor Ocean Grey or Military Grey?
5 *had* a problem, or 5 *reported* a problem?
The real "problem" is that people who can't access your site won't jump through hoops to report the fact-- they'll just leave. I can't read German, so I don't know if they compensated for this, but your summary isn't really helpful.
Or favorite Ribbon fuck-up so far: to copy-as-picture in Excel, you select the sub-menu on the PASTE button, then select "As Picture", and then "Copy". Yes, that's right... in their fancy new interface they make you Copy by clicking on Paste! I would PAY to talk to an engineer that had to sit through the conclusion of that meeting :)
Excel always puts an image in the clipboard by default... I don't understand the point of doing this. It seems like the receiving application should be told to accept the image version of the clipboard content, instead of the table version, if that's what you want.
It's probably such a poorly supported feature because the Excel team was like, "why would anybody *do* this?"
I'd be in heaven it if they fixed some of the bugs from freakin' 2005. Like the "events on disabled controls don't bubble" bug.
The funny thing is a DOM bug of equal severity I put in just last year got fixed in record time, less than a week. They even sent me a "Firefox 4 Beta Team" t-shirt for it. But that old DOM bug from 2005 is completely ignored... it makes me wonder if the Firefox team is suffering from a bad case of "oh it's an old bug, it can't possibly still apply"-itis. I should just re-submit the bug and see what happens.
There's also a lot of people in IT who are too timid to ask for raises, and aren't being paid what they're worth. That's a factor.
How the pilot even get in the Northrup concept? Is there an elevator that lowers from the floor of the cockpit? Maybe they have a crane?
I can't see it used for passenger flight, either:
"Hey Stewardess, can I go over and talk to my friend?"
"No, he's in the B pod, this is the A pod."
"Oh..."
I'm not sure why you say windows openGL drivers are practically non-existent, because every id game in the past decade or so has been openGL.
All one of them!
Slashdot is occupied by "disable JavaScript specifically so I can complain how bad the web experience without JavaScript is"-type people. It's also very old and creaky and written in a shitty environment for web apps. Slashdot is not "the web." Nor representative of "the web" in any way, shape, or form.
Normal, non-Slashdot, human beings like the "bunch of bullshit." I know that posting here you're entirely out-of-touch with the average person, and the concept of "usable software" but please try to bear with me here.
In any case, it's a lot easier to change your own mind than to change 250,000 websites you have no control over. Ranting about JavaScript doesn't help the situation-- either just cope with it (like a normal person), or stop using the web altogether.
For normal human beings, hosting scripts on different domains speeds-up the download. The browser's connection limit is a per-domain connection limit, not per-page... so if your connection limit is 2 connections, and you're loading content from 4 domains, your browser opens 8 connections. If all the content came from a single domain, you'd have to (potentially) wait 4 times as long.
Of course this doesn't work if you're a Slashdotter who keeps JavaScript off specifically so he can complain about how unusable the web is with JavaScript off. But for normal human beings, it's a good tactic.