If you don't like the offerings, then either write-in something or hold your nose and vote against the worst option. Isn't getting not-the-worst better than getting the worst?
A vote-against is no vote at all. The whole point of voting is to make your voice heard, not to try to drown out the other voices in this country, so I don't see the point in that. Are you suggesting that I should have voted for War-Criminal Kerry just to get War-Monger Bush out of office? That's quite a disgusting viewpoint IMO.
And I personally do write-in protest votes.
Unlistened-to better ideas are : No electoral college. Something other than a winner-takes-all system (Instant run-off, Borda, etc..) Viable third+ party canidates. No government at all.:)
"I don't really have an opinion about what should be done, but I still want to bitch about someone else's solution if it turns out to not be perfect."
As I've pointed out several times before in other threads, that is not always the case.
It's usually more like "I have several solutions all of which nobody will listen to, or wants to hear".
See my other threads in this discussion if you're still confused about this sentiment. Hell, the other 14 people who've reponded to the OGP may say it better, but the idea is the same.
No, those lazy apathetic fucks who don't care-don't vote don't really have a place to whine; but there are a lot of people who either can't vote, or abstain because of several other completely valid reasons.
What I'm saying is that vote or not vote, you still have every right to complain. It's in the constitution, you should give it a read sometime.
I pay taxes, therefore I have the right to bitch.
What if, for argument's sake, none of the canidates on the ballot are viable options for me? I don't vote. Do I then not get to bitch about what the winner does down the line?
Or say I don't believe in the accuracy or fairness of our current voting system, so I abstain from voting. Same rules apply?
What if you're 17, and can't legally vote? You can't complain either?
For the record, I do vote, even if it is a protest vote (I voted for Stewie Griffin for president last time), but saying that "you don't vote you don't get to complain" is wrong.
if you do not vote, you forfeit all right to complain about anything your government does until november 2008 (by which time, you will have learned your lesson and will vote, right?)
To paraphrase another post yesterday: this is wrong every time it is said.
This is a representative government, so the elected officials represent ME, if I voted for them or not. I didn't vote for Bush in '04, so can I not complain about his actions?
Say I go out and vote Democrat today, and a Republican wins. Do I then lose my right to bitch about what the Republican does? My vote was basically for naught, so I might as well have not voted in the first place, right?
Now replace "Green" or "Libertarian" with "Democrat" etc..do those voters not get to bitch and complain, since they've effectively cast pointless votes?
I pay taxes, and that gives me the right to bitch. Stop repeating this bullshit, because it is incorrect.
They don't own any parts of Mono as I understand it. What they could claim is "Hey these guys have an API that mirrors ours" and that's about it. It's not like any code in Mono's compiler or libraries is MS code, just the class/function names, etc..
You have to learn how to seperate the languages and compiler (completely FOSS) from the framework (a little iffy).
the way immigrants (specially mexicans but not only them) is sad, they (we too) are treated like simple slaves to serve you well.
Horseshit. They pick those jobs. We don't kidnap them, bring them here, and then force them to clean our toilets at gun point. They WANT to do this, we PAY them to do it, and most of us don't give a shit if they're illegal or not.
Slaves? Most of the Mexicans I see are driving nicer cars (trucks, actually) than me. Hardly what I'd call slavery.
Let's not even bring up how you guys treat your natives.
I'm all for open borders and equal work and pay for all (I even think that English and Spanish should BOTH be taught in American schools), and do realise that there are a lot of problems with immigrantion policies, but saying that we treat them like slaves is offensive and incorrect.
Luckily enough for me, my computer isn't fast enough for it; otherwise I'd be joining that support group right along with you.
Right now it's sitting on the shelf waiting for me to feel the need for a processor upgrade. The first 3-4 turns that I could play looked really, really bad ass though.
That's weird because almost everyone else here is saying that Seamonkey doesn't have that problem. Still, I've never seen this 800Mb of RAM and 1.5Gb of swap like some others are claiming, and I have 6-12 tabs open 24/7 on Win2k3 and hardly ever close firefox or reboot.
*shrugs* YMMV I guess.
Guess I'm just lucky then? I didn't say it wasn't a huge memory hog (Takes up twice as much memory as VS 2003 while debugging), just that I've never experienced anything NEAR 800M and 1.5Gb of swap?!
Granted, it takes up a nice large chunk of memory on my system with shit loads of tabs open, ForecastFox running (and a half dozen other plugins), but several hundred MB?? No.
Even if I leave it open for days on end with a dozen tabs open it barely breaks 100MB. That's a far cry from several hundred.
I love Slackware, and I keep vacillating between going with Slack or Debian.
Check out Arch Linux. It's my distro of choice; a perfect mix of Slack's simplicity & no-frills approach with Debian's sweet ass package management and config setup.
I was a hardcore Slack fan for years before I got fed up with running last decade's software on my desktop; I tried Arch and never went back.
Work for cash and keep your head down. I even know of Americans that somehow got health cards...
Unfortunately that only works for those of us who enjoy poverty, or don't have families. I think if a company was paying my salary in cash, the Canadian government would take notice pretty quickly.
Sadly, it's looking like there are no real legal alternatives for those of us wishing to bail out of this sinking ship. Most first world countries either don't want Americans, or have enough problems with their immigration/labour force as it is.
Getting a work visa for a few months is no problem; I'm talking about actually living, working, and owning land in another country for the rest of your life, which would mean gaining citizenship.
If anyone knows another way (that doesn't involve shit hole dictatorships or "economic citizenship"), please let me know.
try writing 25,000 lines of CSS for a web application
Holy fuck batman that's insanity. Am I completely missing something about CSS, because I'd never imagine 25K lines of it would be needed to describe a layout.
It should go both ways, if a cop breaks the law (almost every beat cop breaks the law daily, I assure you), they should never be allowed to work in law enforcement again.
Most times, however, they are reprimanded and sent on their merry way. Hell, breaking the law is all part of the job for most cops. Illegal searches, illegal profiling, illegal traffic manuevers, illegal harrasment, etc..when's the last time you saw a patrol vehicle doing the speed limit, or setting up a speed trap?
(Of course, I'm of the frame of mind that if a cop so much as litters they should be fired, no excuses.)
It's the same thing with these black-hat hackers. I wouldn't trust them in top positions in security related IT jobs or in less-sensitive general business jobs.
That's a pretty harsh attitude, considering that most of these CxO's also constantly break laws.
I wouldn't trust them in top level positions off the bat, but I don't think breaking some stupid DMCA-like law when you were 15 should preclude you from getting a general business job in your 20s. I mean, everyone's stolen something in their life time, admit it or not. Should nobody be allowed to work?
I, for one, hated Eccleston. Granted, I've seen only a few episodes of the first season, but something about him just didn't seem like "Doctor" material to me. Maybe he just looked too macho for the role.
I actually like the new guy better (seems more quirky, like a Doctor should), but neither of them are anywhere close to Tom, or any of the first few Doctors for that matter.
Of course, I've only seen one episode with him so far, at least until about an hour from now!!
Did anyone else notice that SciFi ran a marathon this morning? I completely missed it. They don't EVER fucking advertise when they're doing that, pisses me off.
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Yea but we play it legally. Asshole.
If you don't like the offerings, then either write-in something or hold your nose and vote against the worst option. Isn't getting not-the-worst better than getting the worst?
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A vote-against is no vote at all. The whole point of voting is to make your voice heard, not to try to drown out the other voices in this country, so I don't see the point in that. Are you suggesting that I should have voted for War-Criminal Kerry just to get War-Monger Bush out of office? That's quite a disgusting viewpoint IMO.
And I personally do write-in protest votes.
Unlistened-to better ideas are :
No electoral college.
Something other than a winner-takes-all system (Instant run-off, Borda, etc..)
Viable third+ party canidates.
No government at all.
"I don't really have an opinion about what should be done, but I still want to bitch about someone else's solution if it turns out to not be perfect."
As I've pointed out several times before in other threads, that is not always the case.
It's usually more like "I have several solutions all of which nobody will listen to, or wants to hear".
See my other threads in this discussion if you're still confused about this sentiment. Hell, the other 14 people who've reponded to the OGP may say it better, but the idea is the same.
No, those lazy apathetic fucks who don't care-don't vote don't really have a place to whine; but there are a lot of people who either can't vote, or abstain because of several other completely valid reasons.
Wrong, you could be voting "I hate all those who are running", in which case you still have every right to bitch.
You should brush up on yours, as that was not my (main) argument, merely an example.
But I'll bite, what is the difference? Think there's a difference today to those who voted for Gore in Florida?
Yea, I can read, thanks.
What I'm saying is that vote or not vote, you still have every right to complain. It's in the constitution, you should give it a read sometime.
I pay taxes, therefore I have the right to bitch.
What if, for argument's sake, none of the canidates on the ballot are viable options for me? I don't vote. Do I then not get to bitch about what the winner does down the line?
Or say I don't believe in the accuracy or fairness of our current voting system, so I abstain from voting. Same rules apply?
What if you're 17, and can't legally vote? You can't complain either?
For the record, I do vote, even if it is a protest vote (I voted for Stewie Griffin for president last time), but saying that "you don't vote you don't get to complain" is wrong.
if you do not vote, you forfeit all right to complain about anything your government does until november 2008 (by which time, you will have learned your lesson and will vote, right?)
To paraphrase another post yesterday: this is wrong every time it is said.
This is a representative government, so the elected officials represent ME, if I voted for them or not. I didn't vote for Bush in '04, so can I not complain about his actions?
Say I go out and vote Democrat today, and a Republican wins. Do I then lose my right to bitch about what the Republican does? My vote was basically for naught, so I might as well have not voted in the first place, right?
Now replace "Green" or "Libertarian" with "Democrat" etc..do those voters not get to bitch and complain, since they've effectively cast pointless votes?
I pay taxes, and that gives me the right to bitch. Stop repeating this bullshit, because it is incorrect.
Straight into the trash bin where Diebold wants it to go.
Killing of ~800 men women and children (and a congressman and his staffers) isn't a good thing in my book, but that's just me.
If we're talking about idiot religious sheep here, I'd call that A Great Thing (TM).
That's 800 less that get to vote today.
They don't own any parts of Mono as I understand it. What they could claim is "Hey these guys have an API that mirrors ours" and that's about it. It's not like any code in Mono's compiler or libraries is MS code, just the class/function names, etc..
You have to learn how to seperate the languages and compiler (completely FOSS) from the framework (a little iffy).
No no no.
They create an artificial scarcity (much like the diamond trade) so that they make more money.
One decent drug bust in a metro area can shoot prices up 200-300% in a day.
You don't really think that the government isn't getting their cut, do you?
the way immigrants (specially mexicans but not only them) is sad, they (we too) are treated like simple slaves to serve you well.
Horseshit. They pick those jobs. We don't kidnap them, bring them here, and then force them to clean our toilets at gun point. They WANT to do this, we PAY them to do it, and most of us don't give a shit if they're illegal or not.
Slaves? Most of the Mexicans I see are driving nicer cars (trucks, actually) than me. Hardly what I'd call slavery.
Let's not even bring up how you guys treat your natives.
I'm all for open borders and equal work and pay for all (I even think that English and Spanish should BOTH be taught in American schools), and do realise that there are a lot of problems with immigrantion policies, but saying that we treat them like slaves is offensive and incorrect.
Luckily enough for me, my computer isn't fast enough for it; otherwise I'd be joining that support group right along with you.
Right now it's sitting on the shelf waiting for me to feel the need for a processor upgrade. The first 3-4 turns that I could play looked really, really bad ass though.
you fucked it up, you fix it.
I'm 23. What exactly have I fucked up?
My grandparents got lazy after the war, and started fucking it up.
My parents blew the perfect chance (i.e. the 60's/70's) and fucked it up royally (i.e. the 80's-present).
Why should I have to deal with cleaning up their messes for my entire life?
Eric Arthur Blair was born in India, so not technically from their country, although he was a Briton.
Ahh what a nitpicky day it is.
That's weird because almost everyone else here is saying that Seamonkey doesn't have that problem. Still, I've never seen this 800Mb of RAM and 1.5Gb of swap like some others are claiming, and I have 6-12 tabs open 24/7 on Win2k3 and hardly ever close firefox or reboot. *shrugs* YMMV I guess.
Guess I'm just lucky then? I didn't say it wasn't a huge memory hog (Takes up twice as much memory as VS 2003 while debugging), just that I've never experienced anything NEAR 800M and 1.5Gb of swap?!
"Several Hundred MB" ?? Hardly.
Granted, it takes up a nice large chunk of memory on my system with shit loads of tabs open, ForecastFox running (and a half dozen other plugins), but several hundred MB?? No.
Even if I leave it open for days on end with a dozen tabs open it barely breaks 100MB. That's a far cry from several hundred.
I love Slackware, and I keep vacillating between going with Slack or Debian.
Check out Arch Linux. It's my distro of choice; a perfect mix of Slack's simplicity & no-frills approach with Debian's sweet ass package management and config setup.
I was a hardcore Slack fan for years before I got fed up with running last decade's software on my desktop; I tried Arch and never went back.
Work for cash and keep your head down. I even know of Americans that somehow got health cards...
Unfortunately that only works for those of us who enjoy poverty, or don't have families. I think if a company was paying my salary in cash, the Canadian government would take notice pretty quickly.
Sadly, it's looking like there are no real legal alternatives for those of us wishing to bail out of this sinking ship. Most first world countries either don't want Americans, or have enough problems with their immigration/labour force as it is.
Getting a work visa for a few months is no problem; I'm talking about actually living, working, and owning land in another country for the rest of your life, which would mean gaining citizenship.
If anyone knows another way (that doesn't involve shit hole dictatorships or "economic citizenship"), please let me know.
Actually, cats are a great symbol for libertarian thought. :)
'Cause they're dependant on their owners for food and medical care? Unless you meant the feral variety, and I wouldn't exactly call them fuzzy...
I'm teasing anyhow. Burn karma burn.
You're sick of legislated morality but you can't type the word "fuckers" ?
;)
Goddamn libertarian pussies.
try writing 25,000 lines of CSS for a web application
Holy fuck batman that's insanity. Am I completely missing something about CSS, because I'd never imagine 25K lines of it would be needed to describe a layout.
It should go both ways, if a cop breaks the law (almost every beat cop breaks the law daily, I assure you), they should never be allowed to work in law enforcement again.
Most times, however, they are reprimanded and sent on their merry way. Hell, breaking the law is all part of the job for most cops. Illegal searches, illegal profiling, illegal traffic manuevers, illegal harrasment, etc..when's the last time you saw a patrol vehicle doing the speed limit, or setting up a speed trap?
(Of course, I'm of the frame of mind that if a cop so much as litters they should be fired, no excuses.)
It's the same thing with these black-hat hackers. I wouldn't trust them in top positions in security related IT jobs or in less-sensitive general business jobs.
That's a pretty harsh attitude, considering that most of these CxO's also constantly break laws.
I wouldn't trust them in top level positions off the bat, but I don't think breaking some stupid DMCA-like law when you were 15 should preclude you from getting a general business job in your 20s. I mean, everyone's stolen something in their life time, admit it or not. Should nobody be allowed to work?
Better than Tom? You're smoking crack.
I, for one, hated Eccleston. Granted, I've seen only a few episodes of the first season, but something about him just didn't seem like "Doctor" material to me. Maybe he just looked too macho for the role.
I actually like the new guy better (seems more quirky, like a Doctor should), but neither of them are anywhere close to Tom, or any of the first few Doctors for that matter.
Of course, I've only seen one episode with him so far, at least until about an hour from now!!
Did anyone else notice that SciFi ran a marathon this morning? I completely missed it. They don't EVER fucking advertise when they're doing that, pisses me off.