You guys (you and a child post) have a VERY incomplete understanding of what the dev team did or did not do, and their reasons for such.
They had a jailbreak for the 3GS almost immediately, but apple was already preparing their 3.1 update (beta is already out).
If they released the jailbreak right away, apple would patch it in 3.1 and every new phone sold would be 3.1 without the ability to downgrade due to the fact that apple has new signing protections in the 3GS.
If they waited the short time until the 3.1 release, then every 3.1 and 3.0 phone sold would be jailbreakable forever. Now that geohot has released his jailbreak it is possible that if another flaw is not found, the vast majority of all phones sold by the end of this year will never be jailbreakable.
I can see the merits to each one, but George (geohot) is betting fairly heavily on that he will find another exploit in the new 3.1 software.
I do know that privately some of the team has expressed privately that they are somewhat happy that someone else has released a userland tool and to let him support it for a while.
The dev team had already released that video to show that the unlock will work on the 3gs once they decided to release the jailbreak.
The unlock is the exact same code as works on the 3G. No modification as the baseband is the same.
They weren't forced to release anything by Geohot (the hacker you are talking about).
Also, tethering worked the minute you had 3.0 on your phone. Not sure what you are waiting for.If you dont have the option to tether, apply the proper IPCC file. No need to jailbreak. Instructions and IPCC files here: http://www.iphone-dev.ca/info/
Not only that, but Rogers is one of the partners listed as will definitely have tethering (as it is allowed in most or all of our current data plans, including the iPhone one)
He doesn't care about the UI. He wants the ability to install his own apps at any cost without having to go through the frustratingly difficult process of jailbreaking (You know, 30 seconds on a windows/mac computer)
Even though he can easily have both, he would seemingly rather give up the UI to have the manufacturer provide his freedom for him.
I disagree that this is entirely a bad idea. I use extensions to effectively get my browing to the same and beyond this level.
When I middle click something it opens in a new tab as a sub-tab of the place where I clicked it. It ends up working out as a tree of tabs. This way I have several main sites I read and they each have their own tree of sub-sites as I click them.
I find it very handy to keep me organized while browsing and researching along multiple parallel threads etc.
I'll take some quick screens:
Here it is with all tab trees expanded. It does not look like this when browsing as I have it set to automatically collapse other trees when I switch between them. Keeps it very clean.
No ssh or vnc? I do both of those on my iPhone. I also have a full bash terminal (iphone runs a type of bsd dont you know) and all my standard desktop bash scripts work just fine.
I can log into windows terminal services for work, get my emails and calenders and work contacts pushed to the phone instantly. Pretty much anything you've heard the iPhone 'can't do' is probably a lie unless the hardware for it physically is not there.
Browse at +3 or +4 and change your prefs to get rid of funny moderated comments. They are very rarely funny and it really makes for a much better reading experience. Filters out the trolls and funny comments that aren't funny, and any real cream usually rises to the top as long as it isn't posted too late.
I dont know about the iPod but I have full root file system access from within the phone with bash, or from without through ssh. Can also get decent players that just play song as you organize them in folders..not how they are organized by id3. Took some initial hacking, but now they are a very open and powerful device.
Yeah Rogers is no saint, but I am not sure if they are better or worse than AT&T.
Their plans right now aren't SO bad but yeah, no 6GB anymore unfortunately.
Monthly Fee $25 $30 $60 $80 Data Included 500MB 1GB 3GB 5GB
You can also pay $30 and get voicemail and text messages etc plus 500mb of data. All of these plans are tetherable.
As for not being able to tether on the iPhone, I have been doing it for a long while now. I use PDAnet on my phone to do it, which is totally painless (create a network, connect to it with iPhone, launch PDAnet, and you're done). There was also a non JB app in the Appstore for a while called NetShare, but it has since been pulled. Since there is not a single disadvantage to Jailbreaking though, I would just do it and tether to your heart's desire.
Here in Canada on Rogers, our 6GB plan fully allows tethering but it is still a NAT'd IP. It is another $10/mo for a routable IP. They call this the "VPN" option.
There is at least 1 major falsehood in your post, probably two.
1. AT&T having unlimited data. The data is not unlimited it is capped at 5GB, but they of course don't really advertise this.
2. Your Canadian data plan being restricted in any way other than a very boldly stated cap.
I pay $30 for 6GB (better than the 'unlimited' in the USA you'll notice). They don't offer this anymore, but at the time it was available for any smartphone, including iPhone and Blackberry. Tethering and using every bit right up to your 6GB cap in any way you would like is totally allowed.
While we on Rogers with iPhones no longer have the option of the 6GB/$30, the way it is gone about by Rogers is much better than AT&T I find. The cap is stated right there in the name of the plan rather that hidden in some ToS, just like everyone says ISPs should do it. And the plan is unrestricted as to use types, which is ideal.
Go to http://rogers.howardforums.com/ for much more info regarding Rogers in Canada, their plans, and just about anything else you can think of.
Actually for AT&T 'unlimited' means 5GB. Go over that and you start having problems. I'd prefer a carrier just be up front about what the limits are.
Rogers for instance, allowed 6GB during the iPhone launch. This is actually more than the 'unlimited' accounts in the states, but did not look at good in marketing.
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Just a caution, your 60csx does NOT float. Do not attempt this:D
If you want a floating GPS you need one of the following (As per garmin's site)
* GPS 72
* GPS 76
* GPSMAP 76
* GPSMAP 76S
* GPSMAP 76C
* GPSMAP 76CS
* GPSMAP 76Cx
* GPSMAP 76CSx
Good luck!
Go to settings, check 'avoid dirt roads' and you'll be fine. Time to atrophy those skills again!
That is correct. If they do not release it prior to 3.1 then all 3.0 and 3.1 phones will be jailbreakable, rather than only 3.0 phones.
Not sure I agree with this, but this was their reasoning yes.
Oh waa you need to perform a 30 second procedure it takes the intelligence of a small child to accomplish.
What an odd thing to complain about on a nerd oriented site.
You guys (you and a child post) have a VERY incomplete understanding of what the dev team did or did not do, and their reasons for such.
They had a jailbreak for the 3GS almost immediately, but apple was already preparing their 3.1 update (beta is already out).
If they released the jailbreak right away, apple would patch it in 3.1 and every new phone sold would be 3.1 without the ability to downgrade due to the fact that apple has new signing protections in the 3GS.
If they waited the short time until the 3.1 release, then every 3.1 and 3.0 phone sold would be jailbreakable forever. Now that geohot has released his jailbreak it is possible that if another flaw is not found, the vast majority of all phones sold by the end of this year will never be jailbreakable.
I can see the merits to each one, but George (geohot) is betting fairly heavily on that he will find another exploit in the new 3.1 software.
I do know that privately some of the team has expressed privately that they are somewhat happy that someone else has released a userland tool and to let him support it for a while.
Actually none of this is really true per se.
The dev team had already released that video to show that the unlock will work on the 3gs once they decided to release the jailbreak.
The unlock is the exact same code as works on the 3G. No modification as the baseband is the same.
They weren't forced to release anything by Geohot (the hacker you are talking about).
Also, tethering worked the minute you had 3.0 on your phone. Not sure what you are waiting for.If you dont have the option to tether, apply the proper IPCC file. No need to jailbreak. Instructions and IPCC files here: http://www.iphone-dev.ca/info/
Keep in mind this is over EDGE. The dial-up of mobile cell service.
Over 3G the speeds are of course much faster.
Not only that, but Rogers is one of the partners listed as will definitely have tethering (as it is allowed in most or all of our current data plans, including the iPhone one)
Maybe you weren't reading the GP's post.
He doesn't care about the UI. He wants the ability to install his own apps at any cost without having to go through the frustratingly difficult process of jailbreaking (You know, 30 seconds on a windows/mac computer)
Even though he can easily have both, he would seemingly rather give up the UI to have the manufacturer provide his freedom for him.
Exactly. For reference of this, watch any or every David Lynch film.
Everything but her weird looking face of course.
I disagree that this is entirely a bad idea. I use extensions to effectively get my browing to the same and beyond this level.
When I middle click something it opens in a new tab as a sub-tab of the place where I clicked it. It ends up working out as a tree of tabs. This way I have several main sites I read and they each have their own tree of sub-sites as I click them.
I find it very handy to keep me organized while browsing and researching along multiple parallel threads etc.
I'll take some quick screens:
Here it is with all tab trees expanded. It does not look like this when browsing as I have it set to automatically collapse other trees when I switch between them. Keeps it very clean.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2209/3543433234_377d389908_b.jpg
Here it is as it is when I'm browsing.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3214/3542625081_ebc5b9c9ab_b.jpg
As does the iPhone, of course.
No ssh or vnc? I do both of those on my iPhone. I also have a full bash terminal (iphone runs a type of bsd dont you know) and all my standard desktop bash scripts work just fine.
I can log into windows terminal services for work, get my emails and calenders and work contacts pushed to the phone instantly. Pretty much anything you've heard the iPhone 'can't do' is probably a lie unless the hardware for it physically is not there.
Browse at +3 or +4 and change your prefs to get rid of funny moderated comments. They are very rarely funny and it really makes for a much better reading experience. Filters out the trolls and funny comments that aren't funny, and any real cream usually rises to the top as long as it isn't posted too late.
I dont know about the iPod but I have full root file system access from within the phone with bash, or from without through ssh. Can also get decent players that just play song as you organize them in folders..not how they are organized by id3. Took some initial hacking, but now they are a very open and powerful device.
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Have fun.
Nothing can go wrong, DFU mode on the phone is always accessable even after a bad flash. The phone is almost unbrickable (correct usage of brick).
The patch has traditionally been available within hours or a day of the release of an update.
These disadvantages do NOT come close to outweighing the advantages..everything available in this new release is already available by jailbreaking.
Yeah Rogers is no saint, but I am not sure if they are better or worse than AT&T.
Their plans right now aren't SO bad but yeah, no 6GB anymore unfortunately.
Monthly Fee $25 $30 $60 $80
Data Included 500MB 1GB 3GB 5GB
You can also pay $30 and get voicemail and text messages etc plus 500mb of data. All of these plans are tetherable.
As for not being able to tether on the iPhone, I have been doing it for a long while now. I use PDAnet on my phone to do it, which is totally painless (create a network, connect to it with iPhone, launch PDAnet, and you're done). There was also a non JB app in the Appstore for a while called NetShare, but it has since been pulled. Since there is not a single disadvantage to Jailbreaking though, I would just do it and tether to your heart's desire.
I think you're bloated!
Oh wait...
Agreed.
Hanlon's razor is usually in effect.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
Here in Canada on Rogers, our 6GB plan fully allows tethering but it is still a NAT'd IP. It is another $10/mo for a routable IP. They call this the "VPN" option.
There is at least 1 major falsehood in your post, probably two.
1. AT&T having unlimited data. The data is not unlimited it is capped at 5GB, but they of course don't really advertise this.
2. Your Canadian data plan being restricted in any way other than a very boldly stated cap.
I pay $30 for 6GB (better than the 'unlimited' in the USA you'll notice). They don't offer this anymore, but at the time it was available for any smartphone, including iPhone and Blackberry. Tethering and using every bit right up to your 6GB cap in any way you would like is totally allowed.
While we on Rogers with iPhones no longer have the option of the 6GB/$30, the way it is gone about by Rogers is much better than AT&T I find. The cap is stated right there in the name of the plan rather that hidden in some ToS, just like everyone says ISPs should do it. And the plan is unrestricted as to use types, which is ideal.
Go to http://rogers.howardforums.com/ for much more info regarding Rogers in Canada, their plans, and just about anything else you can think of.
Actually for AT&T 'unlimited' means 5GB. Go over that and you start having problems. I'd prefer a carrier just be up front about what the limits are.
Rogers for instance, allowed 6GB during the iPhone launch. This is actually more than the 'unlimited' accounts in the states, but did not look at good in marketing.
So install categories and keep them all in a folder.
That aside I agree this is generally a stupid idea.
Having to open an app so I can listen to one band, no adding them to playlists, nothing, just seems stupid.